Micro 873 - Game Over

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HEAL: Quest.
HEAL: Implosion.

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HEAL: Quest.
HEAL: Implosion.

HEAL: Tim Goodman.

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Blake Belladonna + Sashaddin solve?

IDTS.

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Blake, why am I not in your list? Is it because you're trying to distance yourself away from me? If so, it's not gonna work.

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Implosion and Tim the Good Man are both great additions to anyone's coalition lists, for the record.

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Blake Belladonna + Sashaddin solve?

IDTS.

What's the objection?

I can get a solid read on Blake once she starts contributing more, so I'm waiting for that before coming to a conclusion on that slot. I dislike her early posting thing in this game, but it's based mostly on flimsy reasoning.

I've got no read on Sashaddin.

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Y (why)?

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OK.

My read on him is mostly tonal so I wouldn't be great at explaining it, but I'm getting town vibes from him.

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No, I don't think so.

I am an alt, though.

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I checked, and no; we've never played together.

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Here's a good reason; they're both town.

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Are you getting nervous?

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is tim new or an alt

Would an answer to this change your view on his slot?

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Blake, you dodged my question.

Blake, why am I not in your list? Is it because you're trying to distance yourself away from me? If so, it's not gonna work.

Speak fast.

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It's not apparent considering you haven't used heal tags around my name.

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I will never hurt you, Implosion.

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Oh dear.

Heal me.

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I don't think Skygazer's a good heal target.

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Oh dear.

Heal me.

No.

Okay, well. If you insist on making things harder than they should be, go ahead.

I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by doing any of this; it doesn't feel natural whatsoever, and the end goal will be you ending in 0 (zero) coalitions.

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Skygazer is actually my top scumspect ftr

Yeah, she's scum.

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Hot take: I would rather be out of the coalition than in it

Okay, well. If you insist on making things harder than they should be, go ahead.

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I know you're trying to get reactions, but this is an awful way to go about it.

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'cause it's who you are. You know that's a sub-optimal play in every way, you're not stupid.

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HEAL: Quest.
HEAL: Implosion.

HEAL: Tim Goodman.

HEAL: Blake.

VOTE: Sky.

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You're town, but I have no F'n idea what you're even trying to accomplish.

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I'd rather be out of the coalition because I'm not approaching this game to win with the coalition.

I'm approaching the game to play to my win condition; this is actively playing against yours for your own satisfaction.

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I'd rather be out of the coalition

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dont think quest actually SRs me here after marathoning w me this morning

That's a really bad (not good) read.

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I think people are confusing me planning around the coalition failing with me being pessimistic about it failing?

I mean.

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dont think quest actually SRs me here after marathoning w me this morning

That's a really bad (not good) read.

i mean u saw me get mislynched like 3 times so you know im an easy push and correctly read me when i was town then iirc

Marathon games are fuck-around games. I've played non-marathon game(s?) with you, and I can't say that I'm sold on the fact that you're an easy push.

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I think people are confusing me planning around the coalition failing with me being pessimistic about it failing?

I mean.

What exactly is the problem here?

It really does look like you've no confidence with your approach, and it feels like you're overthinking it a little bit too much. Previous cases of coalitions failing have nothing to do with this game, and saying stuff like "I'd rather be out of coalition" isn't exactly a good look.

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dont think quest actually SRs me here after marathoning w me this morning

That's a really bad (not good) read.

i mean u saw me get mislynched like 3 times so you know im an easy push and correctly read me when i was town then iirc

Marathon games are fuck-around games. I've played non-marathon game(s?) with you, and I can't say that I'm sold on the fact that you're an easy push.

i mean im not easy to lynch by any means in non-marathons but thats different than what i meant by pushing

My point is that, do you really think I would come to the conclusion that you're an easy push / lynch based on a few marathon games that all lasted under 25 minutes? That seems far-fetched.

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tbf to ank i opposed having myself in the coalition last time i played this setup

Do you think it makes what I said wrong? From my point of view, it's a very low-confidence approach to the setup.

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dont think quest actually SRs me here after marathoning w me this morning

That's a really bad (not good) read.

i mean u saw me get mislynched like 3 times so you know im an easy push and correctly read me when i was town then iirc

Marathon games are fuck-around games. I've played non-marathon game(s?) with you, and I can't say that I'm sold on the fact that you're an easy push.

i mean im not easy to lynch by any means in non-marathons but thats different than what i meant by pushing

My point is that, do you really think I would come to the conclusion that you're an easy push / lynch based on a few marathon games that all lasted under 25 minutes? That seems far-fetched.

i mean this is a similar situation wrt rt interactions

I disagree. I purposefully play more like myself when in marathon games because those games are just meant to be fun for me as opposed to playing my heart out for my win condition. Coming to the conclusion that I think you're an easy lynch based off of that seems exaggerated to me.

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tbf to ank i opposed having myself in the coalition last time i played this setup

Do you think it makes what I said wrong? From my point of view, it's a very low-confidence approach to the setup.

i agree w you

but there aren't any strong consensus TRs yet and i feel like ank would be playing townier as scum rather than making the ??? tim/quest read based on the potential slip

Ank's town here. I'm not arguing any of this because of her alignment, I'm arguing with her because I would expect her to not approach the setup this way. I know she's able to get good reads, and her approach almost makes it feel like she thinks she won't be able to. Everyone that's sided with town today should be playing to win with the coalition, and if it fails, then it's whatever, this player list is more than capable of winning during mountainous.

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You could say I don't have confidence in my reads, which is true since I don't have particularly strong reads at this point, but I independently find it pretty silly to bank everything on the coalition succeeding.

Do you think it's silly coming from me, though?

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Like, you can understand where I'm coming from, right?

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Nvm, I think I'm having a communication issue.

I'll let the thread breathe for a bit since this is kind of derailing the game.

I'll be around later if you want to talk some more. I'm not trying to get on your nerves, and it's not that I've got no faith in you; I just think you're using the wrong approach.

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I'd prefer if she played less minimalist-y and elaborated more on her thoughts.

That's not happening on this account, that's the whole reason I'm on an alt this game.

That said, if there's anything you want me to go more in-depth on, let me know.

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Yikes.

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She's town, she's just playing weird.

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She's town, she's just playing weird.

The things that I think are scummy aren't things that are the byproduct of town playing weird, though. If I'm wrong it's from a wrong understanding of tone/mindset type things.

Eh. I think her tone's been fine this game, there's nothing that's standing out as particularly scummy about it. Although, tonal reads are so personal that that's such a weak thing to say.

A lot of her posts are to try and bait for reactions which would explain why you the wrong understanding of her mindset. Whether she wants to admit it or not, she's the type of player who loves to do reaction tests.

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why you've got the wrong understanding*

That said, I can understand why she has a scum lean read on me but I don't think it really has anything to do with anything I've posted; I think it's mostly based on her knowledge that she knows I would play like this as either alignment.

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What's the townread on Tim Goodman coming from exactly

Is there any evidence that me explaining my read on him will change your view on him?

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I think his opening postings was very natural and matched a town thought process. Your opening posts were awful, and the way he approached them and questioned them was very close to how I wanted to approach them.

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Not really. Saying "I think a maximum of one scum has posted so far" is an odd read; it's incredibly vague, and something that I would've questioned too. You gave no evidence that you actually believed this, and if you want to go with the "reaction bait" argument, then I still think what I said holds true. It's not a great opener, especially when you follow it up with 28.

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Not really. Saying "I think a maximum of one scum has posted so far" is an odd read; it's incredibly vague, and something that I would've questioned too. You gave no evidence that you actually believed this, and if you want to go with the "reaction bait" argument, then I still think what I said holds true. It's not a great opener, especially when you follow it up with 28.

Are you understanding what I'm saying here?

This response heavily implies you don't.

I don't see what I misunderstood about your question? If there's someone misunderstanding someone, it's you.

Your opening posts weren't great, you can argue this as much as you want, but Tim's approach to them was townie because of aforementioned reasons.

If you think I'm misunderstanding something, then make yourself more clear because it's obvious that you're trying to stay vague on purpose.

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If you think that I'm scum with Quest and I slipped that information by saying that you 'knew' that she was also scum you're assuming that I'm a fairly incompetent scum player.

That would be a huge yikes from me, honestly.

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I doubt it's the case though because that's an incredibly narrow-minded read, and I don't think she'd actually believe that.

Although, if that's what she meant with me misunderstanding her, then I'm gonna be really disappointed because that's a terrible way to look at it.

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Do you actually care about my response to that? I think you're wrong, but I can see where you're coming from.

I still think Tim's town, if that helps you answer my question.

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HURT: Blake Belladona, Implosion
After reading through I'm not vouching for those two right now.

Y not (why not)?

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That doesn't seem like a great reason.

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HURT: Blake Belladona, Implosion
After reading through I'm not vouching for those two right now.

Y not (why not)?

Implosion: The general tone, a little of OMGUS for voting me, and I feel he's posting a lot for show (LAMIST?)

I also don't think that's a great reason. Do you think I'm posting a lot for show as well?

That doesn't seem like a great reason.

You're probably right, but this is my first coalition game so it made sense in my head. What's wrong about this?

I just think it's very narrow-minded to remove her from your coalition because she said she'd rather not be in one. If you town read someone, and I'm not saying this is the case here, you should be adding them to your coalition.

It feels like you're purely going off of those 3 (three) posts, and that's the only reason why you decided to hurt her. I think it's based on flimsy reasoning, and I don't think it should change your stance on her (if you had any to begin with).

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HEAL: Quest.
HEAL: Implosion.

HEAL: Tim Goodman.

HEAL: Blake.

VOTE: Sky.

HEAL: Sashaddin.

I've solved the game.

GG.

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Implosion's town.

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She's a noob.

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Skygazer is one scum.

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Skygazer is one scum.

kinda shitty of you to not even engage me on this but ok

WDYM?

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She doesn't think you're an easy mislynch, though.

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She just thinks you're Tim Bad (not good) Man.

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Yeah, I think he's town.

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I'm actually confident that my current coalition is the solve.

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replace implo w/ one of nsg/krazy/pvt when they join in and i could probs vote with you tbh
feel like you/ank can probs read krazy well when he can join in, pvt will probs be easy to read, feel like i've heard that nsg can be p easily solved as well

Yeah, NSG/Krazy should both be easy reads. While I still believe my coalition is a solve, I'm waiting for them to post before I come to an actual conclusion.

sorry for calling what ur doing shitty, i've just had my slot derail/nearly derail games before from unexplained SRs and i dont want that happening if this coalition doesnt pass

I ain't mad at you. <3

I understand your frustration though, but it has nothing to do with you. I've spent a ton of time and effort explaining my reads in other games just for my explanations to be either ignored or looked at completely the wrong way. I made this alt because I wanted to play more laid-back for a game or two. I've had a lot going on in my life recently (which may or may not tell you who I am), and I don't have it in me right now to effort as much as I usually do.

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I think it has 100% odds of failing, but sure.

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I'm likely going to ignore your posts for a while because you keep on trying to do "hot takes", or "going against the grain", or you just try to play unnecessarily weird. I don't think you can call anyone unnatural when you keep playing this way, I know you're town, but it's incredibly frustrating to see you play this way.

A) You called Sky scum in 85.
B) Krazy (Weiss) has had 1 post.
C) If you're trying to reaction test again, this is shit considering the above.

I don't believe that you've got a scum read on my slot, and I don't believe that you're town reading Sky and Weiss here. I'm not going to waste my time trying to analyze your posts to see whether they're reaction tests or not because that's just stupid.

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It's either that, or you're trying to control the game state which isn't going to work with this player list.

Either way, good luck with whatever you're doing, it's not going to work, and it'll be a huge waste of both your time and everyone else's.

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Yawn.

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HURT: Blake.

You're town, but I'm not wasting my time with you.

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Yeah, sure.

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Jesus fucking christ.

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Just forget it, it's incredibly disappointing; that's all.

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You didn't sign up because of me?

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HURT: Blake.

You're town, but I'm not wasting my time with you.

HEAL: Blake.

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Do tell.

Maybe later, if I feel like it.

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Actually, I'll do tell now. I won't go too much into it.

What's pinging you about implosion's tone?

Pre-150, he's very confident in his posts, strong out of the gate. Very affirmative and ... heavy (can't find a way to say it otherwise ).
Post 150, I find him more wobbly and less decisive.
I don't know if you catch what I'm trying to explain.

This was a super townie post to me. I can see where he's getting that read from. The tone here is especially townie to me as well, it truly did feel like he believed in his reasoning.

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I am close to 100% sure after the marathon that I just played with Quest that they are scum in this game.

That's going to be a big yikes from me.

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Quick question, Quest.

Do you still townread Tim Goodman after that marathon game?

I don't value Marathon games when evaluating people, but I'll look at this sometime later and get back to you.

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I'll be around if there's anything you want to discuss with me.

I should say that I haven't had a chance to go through Tim's marathon games just yet, but it's something I can do quickly once I'm home (~10-20 minutes).

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N/A. He hasn't given me much to work with.

That said, I think 311 is a weak reason to hurt you. The clarification in 312 was unnecessary which is something I usually scum read, but as I said, he hasn't given me much to work with.

It's fair to suspect someone because they're bringing up meta checks when it's something they don't usually do but to follow it up with "still a decent chance you're town" doesn't sit right with me. There's a little bit of opportunistic undertone to it, but it's not something I'm confident on.

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I can give you what I've written about Tim regarding his Marathon games if you'd like. I didn't go into every game of his because I feel a lot of his games are very passive and bland, but if it helps you see Tim differently; let me know.

I don't know about a Tim/Weiss team; mostly because I'm still leaning towards Tim being town here.

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Tim's Approach: Coalition Mafia

He's using a very passive approach to everything, this is especially true in his opening posting (30, 31, 39).

One thing I should mention 301 where he implies that he only town read Implosion because of my town read on him. Yet, in Paint the Town (Tim!Scum, 490), he states that he trusts his own read more than someone who was confirmed town. I don't think I've amazed anyone this game with my posting, and there's a very clear difference in Tim's mindset between these two games. I'm not trying to get anywhere too deep with this since these are two completely different games and states, but it's worth keeping in mind.

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Tim's Approach: Paint the Town (Scum)

He's using a very selfless approach here while also maintaining a somewhat passive approach in the early game. His approach changes a lot here in the late game, where he goes from being passive to aggressive. There's a lot of unnatural frustration coming from him which is the reason why I scum read him that game.

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Tim's Approach: Marked for Death (Town)

He has an assertive approach to this game, he's not beating around the bush with his questions. There is still a hint of passiveness in his play, but there's a clear difference in his tone from that game to this game. Tonal reads are always my weakest reads, and because of this, I will also not be putting too much weight on this. I've said this previously in the thread, but I play marathon games differently which causes me to have a different tone than I would in a normal mafia game.

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Conclusion

This isn't every marathon games he's played, but the others are so bland that it's a waste of time to even point them out. I don't think there's enough evidence in any of those games for me to change my read on him this game. His mindset in Paint the Town seems very different to the mindset that he has this game, but it's also based on a small sample size.

I don't think a meta check on him will help much, and if you're going to develop a read on his slot, you're going to have to do it this game.

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guessing that scum are 2/3 of {quest, blake, implosion}

There's 0 scum in this.

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NSG/Urist are both absent and null.

I actually feel like you were spot on with your initial read on Urist in 267. It's not something I've voiced because I was waiting for him to post more, but this feels like a waste of time now that you've pointed it out.

I think it will be really easy for me to tell if that slot is scum or not, it's just going to have to wait.

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I don't consider you a threat and I am more than capable of fooling you as scum. I don't think you as town would ever scumread me under these conditions and that's independent of my actual alignment; ie if I am scum you should still be townreading me here.

The only explanation for you scumreading me here is you being scum.

You're more delusional than I thought if you actually believe any of this.

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I'm the anonymous alt, I'm the wildcard, you don't know what my reads are or how good I actually am at this game.

You made it clear that you're not a great player when you called me near-100% scum based off of a marathon game. We know you're bad, you don't have to hide it.

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It's not the only thing you suck at, get off your high horse.

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Quoting your shit reads during postgame will be great.

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I wasn't wrong that you were a shit player, nice.

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Either I dictate the coalition solo or I dictate the three lynches.

I'm going to stop posting in this game until everyone decides which it is.

How about you dictate not posting so I don't have to read your shit posts?

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HEAL: Blake Belladonna
HEAL: Quest
HEAL: Skygazer
HEAL: implosion
HEAL: Sashaddin

Hurt Sky, and wait. I don't think she's town.

Prodging, cya. I'm not putting any further effort if I have to play with a delusional human being like RC.

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She's staying until either NSG or Urist pop up and I can get an opportunity to sort them. I'll be okay with leaving Skygazer out of the coalition if and only if that happens.

KK. I think NSG will be an easy read, and I hope she doesn't get replaced out.

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radientcowbells has asked to be replaced

Nice.

I'll try to go more in-depth tomorrow regarding my Skygazer read if anyone's curious of it.

Was there anything else you wanted to discuss, Blake? If not, I'm likely going to bed.

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Blake, are you still around?

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I'm here briefly.

What's up?

Give me your thoughts and read on Weiss in less than 5 words.

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HURT: Pyrrha.

BBL.

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That's really cool.

Could you tell me more?

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Wow, that's great.

Anything else you'd like to add?

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She knew I was at L-3 and in serious jeopardy of being mislynched, so she made it a point of claiming she had a strong scumlean on my slot and when I flipped town like I will here should the same situation happen, no one will sr her for it because i she is jumping on me for no reason I can tell other than she’s pissed off at RC. Why? Because if she was being honest here, she would retract the “scum entrance” crap forbthe bald face lie, she knows it is.

Because fact, I have never ever made an entrance like this as scum and that’s how I know she is lying here.

Ah, that sounds like the exact scenario that we're in right now.

Thank you!

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You should heal me if you’re town here.

You 1st (first).

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Blake is obvious town.

I, for one, would love to know Pyrrha's main since they seem to be a huge cry baby who can't get over being mislynched in a mafia game.

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Don’t even fucking go there. Wrongly sr me, vote me mislynch me whatever but don’t be something I won’t say, because you’re not worth me risking a temp ban over.

Yikes.

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HURT: Blake

I won’t heal you until you stop lying about me.

Ftr, this is the exact same bs, she pulled on me in Timeshift that got me mislynched and she’s not getting another chance to fucking do this to me.

She never voted me in that game either and when I got mislynched her hands stayed clean and it looks like once again history is going to repeat itself in this game.

She knew I was at L-3 and in serious jeopardy of being mislynched, so she made it a point of claiming she had a strong scumlean on my slot and when I flipped town like I will here should the same situation happen, no one will sr her for it because i she is jumping on me for no reason I can tell other than she’s pissed off at RC. Why? Because if she was being honest here, she would retract the “scum entrance” crap forbthe bald face lie, she knows it is.

Because fact, I have never ever made an entrance like this as scum and that’s how I know she is lying here.

You do what you want. But if you’re going to wrongly sr me, at least don’t make shit up. I barely repped in to an obvtown slot. Reread Tim again and tell me you honestly see scum there.

You’re welcome. I’m just trying to decide if she is once again lying scum setting up my eventual mislynch or so extremely tilted at RC, she is punishing me for it. Either way, her push on me is really shitty here. All I know is I’m not ever letting that happen to me again without a fight. Before TS, I would have auto assumed she was being bad town in this situation but after TS, I would think town!her would know better, which is why this out of left field aggressive push on me, pings me so hard because there is absolutely no basis for it.

Town!RC insisted my slot was lockscum after she set the stage with her hard scumlean on me, so why is town!her so quick to jump on me for no discernible reason whatsoever? When has scum!me ever replaced into a game, wrongly claiming I repped into an obvtown slot? In fact the exact opposite is true. I in fact had a very similar entrance in Under the sea, where you guessed right, I was also town in that game.

Don’t even fucking go there. Wrongly sr me, vote me mislynch me whatever but don’t be something I won’t say, because you’re not worth me risking a temp ban over.

This is all coming from a player who's contributed nothing this game. My comments in 411 stand; you're a cry baby who won't let go of a past game where you got mislynched.

Get over it, and play the game you REPLACED IN for.

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"X lynched me in Y, let me complain about it continuously and derail the thread."

If someone's a horrible person, it's you. You were asked to go through the thread and refused to do so; therefore completely refusing to play the game because of your "agenda" against Blake.

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CSB.

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Pyrrha = Nancy?

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Pyrrha = Nancy?

The answer is yes.

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HURT: Quest

Because they can’t believe what they’re saying about me and not have healed me yet.

Yikes.

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This game went from 100 to 0 really quickly.

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You derailed the thread because you got mislynched in a previous game.

You called me a horrible person because I called you out on your derailing, and because I told you to actually read the damn game.

Yet, I'm pushing you out of this game and being vicious.

Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, I wouldn't have called you a cry baby if you were a certain alignment in this game. You're right.

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Blake, I'm this close.

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If you want to keep your sanity; run away from this thread, Sky.

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Thanks for playing the game, Sky.

I appreciate you.

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You’re the one responsible for any “insanity” in this thread. This game was 100% civil before you decided to make it nasty.

CSB.

Can you read the game yet?

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Can you read the game yet?

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Cool stuff. Sky isn't town, though.

HEAL: Pyrrha.

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FTR, Nancy's play and logic here is complete trash; but she's (sadly) town.

I'm keeping my coalition as is {Quest, Implosion, Blake, Sasha, Nancy}, but if the NSG!Slot town-tells in any way, Nancy's out of my coalition. I don't have the patience to work with someone like that after what she just showed me in this thread.

Blake & Implosion are my strongest town reads and I wouldn't ever lynch them if we failed coalition today (which is looking likely since you're all town reading Sky).

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I think you know me well enough to know that if I'm getting fooled here, it's likely she won't end up in my final coalition.

But you're right, it's a waiting game (and I hate it).

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Winning using the coalition means working as a team; I don't see myself working with you.

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If it was enough, I'd have left the game a long time ago.

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On day 1 each player may vote to add members to a 5-player coalition

I'm not 5 players.

I was going to explain my Sky scum read today, but I don't feel like doing it just this moment.

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If an all-town coalition is passed by 5 players

Wrong quote, you get the idea.

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You need to work as a team in every mafia game, but more so in this setup:

1) No one's not going to include themselves in their own coalition.
2) If my coalition is {A, B, C, D, E}, F isn't just going to randomly vote my coalition (especially when you consider the above).
3) This means that I need {B, C, D, E} to work with me if I want my coalition to go through.

It's not a hard concept, and it's silly that I've got to explain this.

So, I can vote any 5 players into coalition? Can I do it separately or do I have to do it all at once?

Because I just replaced in and still haven’t read the game, so I obviously don’t have 5 yet. The only person other than my slot I’ve ISO’d so far is Sky and this sounds like town!Sky to me but if you can tell me why you think she’s scum, that would be much appreciated.

You can do it separately. You should probably hurt all before anything, and then heal your actual town reads since RC probably had some people healed before you (too lazy to check).

Yeah, I understand the mechanic but we have to do it with HEAL tags, correct?

Yes.

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Treat me like I’m dumb or 5 then. We need to “work together” more than agreeing on the same 5 players? And why wouldn’t I include myself in coalition? I know I’m town, so no coalition would fail with my slot in it obviously, despite Blake being wrongly confibiased on me.

Sure.

What I'm saying is if I town read someone that disagrees with parts of my reads; it's going to be hard to work with them. If for example, you're sold on Sky being town, and I'm sold on Sky being scum; we won't work very well together.

I think you and I will have synergy issues this game based on how it started which will make it harder for us to work together; I hope it's not the case but it's the impression that I got.

I worded 1) wrong, I think. I was trying to say that no one will exclude themselves from their own coalition.

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The fact that quest is still 100% staunch in her reads is more than a little offputting. I’d still call her town but it’s kind of a pattern that I think happens more from scum bc it’s really convenient and easy to pull off

I get this a lot, but it's the player that I am. I'm confident in my reads in every single one of my games, regardless of my alignment. Blake can somewhat attest to this, but either way, I don't think it's a great reason to find me off-putting this game.

As a side note, I guess I should explain my scum read on Sky soonish considering 3 people in my coalition seem to be town reading her.

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As a side note, I guess I should explain my scum read on Sky soonish considering 3 people in my coalition seem to be town reading her.

I will get started on this now, expect something within an hour or two.

Also, I am more than happy with outing my main if it helps anyone (it won't).

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Skygazer!Scum

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35 is actually something I agreed with initially since I also believed it was off. But, the fact that Sky completely dropped this without Blake ever responding to it doesn't sit right with me.

50/52 is an odd read. I didn't do any solving up to this point, yet Sky was comfortable enough to heal me. Yet she was against healing Implosion due to his lack of solving. I didn't amaze anyone with my opening posting, and I can't say I exactly understand why I was healed here. The natural play would've been to heal neither me or Implosion.

118/119 is super far-fetched. I've talked about this briefly in 127. One thing I should mention here is that I was scum 2 of those 3 games, and those games shouldn't be meaningful from Sky's POV considering just how short those games were.

Her statement in 125 is true, I did correctly town read her when she was town, and actively fought against her lynch in Lover's Mafia. This is because I find Sky to be an easy read for me, but most of it is based on her tone and wording. I'm not getting this vibe this game, and it's not based only off of that marathon game. I've previous experience with Sky, and I don't feel like she's being her usual town-self here.

A lot of her reads are weird, for example "Ank would be playing scummier as town", and "trusting Quest's blake read". These are especially lazy reads considering how much actual content there is in the game. It's an incredibly passive approach to the game, and it's not sitting well at all with me. She isn't being proactive in any way, and instead, she's trying to make connections where connections don't need to be made.

246 is clear proof that she's playing passively here. She's willing to sheep my coalition which wouldn't include her in it. There are little reasons for her to do this as either alignment, but it's the way she's approaching it that bothers me. There's no clear evidence that I'm Sky's strongest town read in her ISO which makes it weird that she'd be willing to sheep my coalition. Yes, she definitely has a town read on me, but if you're going to sheep someone's coalition which doesn't include you, then that person should be your strongest townread, and I'm not seeing any evidence of this.

I get the impression that she's trying to blend in, despite her amount of posts. There's very little actual content in any of her posts, and she's sort of just going with the flow. A major part of my read on her is tonal, and like I've said a million times before, I'm not great at explaining those so I won't bother. But, I'm confident that this isn't Sky's town game here.

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Tell me that after she flips scum.

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"

Ank would be playing scummier as town

"

Correction on this: "

Ank would be playing townier as scum

", not that it matters in any way.

That said, if everyone's going to continue town reading Sky based on flimsy reasoning, it's very likely that I won't effort much going further since there's no point. The coalition will straight up fail due to near everyone in my coalition town reading her, and I'm confident that my slot dies night 1.

Sky's scum here. Like I said above, a major part of my read on her is based on previous experience, her tone, and wording. All of these things are subjective to some degree, and all things that I won't explain for obvious reasons.

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What is scum!sky looking to do here exactly?

That's my main problem with the scumreads on her.

If I had to guess, she's trying to blend into the crowd and go with the flow.

1a) There's no clear evidence that I'm her strongest town read here, yet she's willing to completely sheep my coalition.
1b) My coalition would include you, and it would not include her.
2a) There's no clear evidence that she town reads you, and she even implied in 449 that that read is only there because of me.
2b) Because of this, it feels super unnatural for her to be willing to sheep my coalition.

These posts make it very obvious that she doesn't town read you: 273, 276, and 449. The only sign of her town reading you is 118 which she retracted quickly with 168. There's nothing giving me the vibe that she town reads you here which makes it illogical that she'd want to sheep my coalition.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=RAS

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There's more to it than the one game/marathon games, I read through a lot of games before and after I joined the site to get an understanding of the current site's meta, and I think my read is accurate here based on what I've seen.

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With that said, I don't value meta all that high when analyzing someone's play since everyone is emotional and mood changes on a game-to-game basis.

hmmm

but its still mostly tonal than meta for me?

Tonal/wording.

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I'm getting the impression that you're trying really hard to go with the flow with your tone; it's almost as if you're trying to appeal to a crowd with your posts.

If it helps, 516 gave me that same exact impression again. "

I can see why you think X, but Y

".

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I'm aware.

I won't go too much deeper into this, but there's a weird undertone to most of your posts. You agree with things, but also disagree with them at the same time, and it doesn't feel natural. This is similar to a scum thought process since it leaves all of your options open. Narrowing down your options is the worst thing you can do as either alignment, but it's almost like you're purposefully trying to leave all of your options open with your posts.

A good example of this is 449. You're trusting my read on Blake because you town read me, which is fine; but the second part where you say "

if quest was scum then quest/blake wouldnt be a S/S interaction

" is a very good example of you leaving all of your options open. You're not committing to any reads, and that's a huge red flag.

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i think youre reading too much into things; in my mind ank is almost definitely town because ur read on her is so strong that if ur town its true and if ur scum then ank almost definitely wouldn't be scum w you; i don't see how that leaves a lot of options open w ank and when i'm scum i actually have a lot more conviction/certainty in my reads because im fine with committing to something as scum and generalllyyyyy know what i need to commit to to advance my win condition

I don't think I'm reading too much into anything here.

You left your options open by saying "

even if Quest is scum, etc.

".

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For the record, I'm a really hard person to convince, Sky; so this is likely a waste of your time.

in other news i finally got around to closely reading that RC thing and really have no enthusiasm for this game anymore

If this was caused my comments towards RC, I'm sorry.

I would do it again in a heartbeat, but I'm sorry regardless.

PEdit:

breaking news: skygazer doesn't know with 100% certainty that a townread is town

That's not what I'm saying at all.

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I love how RC consistently does this to people, yet people befriend him and try to defend him when it happens to him.

That's going to be a yikes from me if you're actually bailing.

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I guess.

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Sasha's the 5th.

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Or Nancy.

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{Quest, Blake, Implosion, Nancy, Sasha} – this ends the game.

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Vote my coalition if you want to end this game.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

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Hello, Nancy.

May I interest you in ending the game? If so, this is the game-winning coalition: {

quest, implosion, sashaddin, blake belladonna, pyrrha nikos

}.

Thanks.

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214.

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Sashaddin/Blake/Quest

There's 0 scum in this.

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You've Raya on your heal list when they've posted nothing and you're calling other people's reads unbelievable/incorrect?

Okay.

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You got us, I'm scum with Blake.

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Hello, {

implosion, sashaddin, pyrrha nikos

}.

May I interest you in ending the game? If so, this is the game-winning coalition: {

quest, implosion, sashaddin, blake belladonna, pyrrha nikos

}.

Thanks.

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Can you quote that post-game, Krazy?

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It's probably Weiss + Urist then.

2/3 {Sky/Urist/Weiss}!Scum.

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You can always vote my coalition if you're so eager to end the game, Krazy.

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Hello, {

implosion, sashaddin, pyrrha nikos

}.

May I interest you in ending the game? If so, this is the game-winning coalition: {

quest, implosion, sashaddin, blake belladonna, pyrrha nikos

}.

Thanks.

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You seem overly worried for someone who didn't even read this game, Krazy.

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Why? If I'm not in the coalition then either town wins without me or I don't have to do anything until like day 3 since we lynch in the coalition first. If I do literally nothing and stay out of the coalition then I can just continue to cruise and then scumhunt if the game isn't won by you all carrying. There's really very little reason to present towniness unless I am really sure I have to be in the coalition to win, and right now I'm not sure of that because half the player list is being replaced.

*shrug*

This is the same person who's currently disagreeing with a coalition.

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Hello, Raya36.

May I interest you in ending the game?

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Sure, what are your thoughts

Hello, {

implosion, sashaddin, pyrrha nikos

}.

May I interest you in ending the game? If so, this is the game-winning coalition: {

quest, implosion, sashaddin, blake belladonna, pyrrha nikos

}.

Thanks.

Scum is 2/3 in {Sky/Urist/Weiss}.

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Raya, you would be doing us all a great favor by voting this coalition: {

quest, implosion, sashaddin, blake belladonna, pyrrha nikos

}.

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We only need 2 (two) more people on this coalition to end this game.

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Why? If I'm not in the coalition then either town wins without me or I don't have to do anything until like day 3 since we lynch in the coalition first. If I do literally nothing and stay out of the coalition then I can just continue to cruise and then scumhunt if the game isn't won by you all carrying. There's really very little reason to present towniness unless I am really sure I have to be in the coalition to win, and right now I'm not sure of that because half the player list is being replaced.

*shrug*

This is the same person who's currently disagreeing with a coalition.

Town!Krazy would make an actual case and give reasons why I should sheep him, not jump on me and accuse me of “scumclaiming” for failing to fall into line, according to him. He wrongly thinks that I’m so terrified of being mislynched again, that I’ve apparently had a lobotomy or something.

I would ignore Krazy's post if I were you; his thoughts are very disconnected and I don't think he believes half of the stuff he's saying. Regardless, you're not being mislynched this game since we're ending the game today.

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Blake, are you thinking the same thing I'm thinking?

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Who's harder to work with Sasha, or Raya?

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From this I'm happy with you, potentially Sasha, Blake, potentially Pyrrha. I am not ok with implosion

If we remove Implosion from this coalition and add you, would you

immediately

follow me with the rest?

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Speak fast, Raya.

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I need a clearer answer than that.

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I'd like some reasoning on implosion first and a chance to look at the other two more closely

No deal.

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It's now or never, Raya.

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Why? If I'm not in the coalition then either town wins without me or I don't have to do anything until like day 3 since we lynch in the coalition first. If I do literally nothing and stay out of the coalition then I can just continue to cruise and then scumhunt if the game isn't won by you all carrying. There's really very little reason to present towniness unless I am really sure I have to be in the coalition to win, and right now I'm not sure of that because half the player list is being replaced.

*shrug*

This is the same person who's currently disagreeing with a coalition.

Town!Krazy would make an actual case and give reasons why I should sheep him, not jump on me and accuse me of “scumclaiming” for failing to fall into line, according to him. He wrongly thinks that I’m so terrified of being mislynched again, that I’ve apparently had a lobotomy or something.

I would ignore Krazy's post if I were you; his thoughts are very disconnected and I don't think he believes half of the stuff he's saying. Regardless, you're not being mislynched this game since we're ending the game today.

I understand that. I mean he’s clearly trying to manipulate me with the threat of that, which is really shitty of him to do, irrespective of his alignment. But I’ve played enough games with town!Krazy to know he never jumps on me like this. Unless this was some seriously bizarro reaction test from him, I’m going to lean scum.

I know you barely know me, and I barely know you. I'm also aware that we started on a bad foot, but I'm confident that 2/3 of the scum is in {Sky/Urist/Weiss}.

I couldn't tell you what Krazy is trying to accomplish, and that's why I've decided to ignore his posts completely. I don't even think he knows what he's trying to accomplish at this point either.

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Give me some reasoning on liking Implosion

Scum is 2/3 in {Sky/Urist/Weiss}. This means that Implosion can't be mafia. This also means it's a great reason to like Implosion.

My case on Sky can be found at 500. Blake already pointed out my thoughts on Urist. Weiss' ISO is absolute trash, all of his thoughts are disconnected and I'm not getting the impression that he believes in half the things he's saying.

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I agree that he's panicking, his interactions with Blake earlier in the game clearly shows that he didn't care at all who was in the coalition. He also showed a huge sign of not giving a fuck about this game. Yet all of a sudden, he's showing a huge amount of concern and interest now that I'm pushing for this coalition.

It's not a coincidence.

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Can I get a link to the game for urist?

Hello, {

implosion, sashaddin, raya36

}.

May I interest you in ending the game? If so, this is the game-winning coalition: {

quest, implosion, sashaddin, blake belladonna, pyrrha nikos

}.

Thanks.

The link will magically appear after you do the above!

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Raya, can you trust {Me, Blake, Pyrrha} and heal Implosion?

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No deal. Getting that coalition will be much harder without Implosion. Sasha won't be easy to convince.

All 3 of the people on your coalition town read Implosion.

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I'm trying, Pyrrha.

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HURT: Sasha.

HEAL: Quest.
HEAL: Raya36.
HEAL: Blake Belladona.
HEAL: Pyrrha Nikos.
HEAL: Implosion.

Let's go, Raya.

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Blake, make this 4/5.

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Someone end this game.

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@Blake, @Implosion:

HEAL: Quest.
HEAL: Raya36.
HEAL: Blake Belladona.
HEAL: Pyrrha Nikos.
HEAL: Implosion.

Let's go, Raya.

Please end this misery.

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Implosion, it's all you.

End this F'n nightmare.

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Sasha, this game ends if you remove yourself and add Implosion. He's town.

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No one wants to wait for all these replacements, so it's in your best interest to do so. I know it won't feel good, but it's the optimal play if you want to keep your sanity.

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GG.

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guessing that scum are 2/3 of {quest, blake, implosion}

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