Micro 874: Generic Micro Normal (game OVER]

[Blake Belladonna]

Good morning!

If anybody has a basic synopsis for me, I would appreciate it. Otherwise I will read through when I can.

[Blake Belladonna]

Creature are you currently here?

[Blake Belladonna]

When you get a chance, can you go into your LUV and Skitter townreads for me please?

[Blake Belladonna]

If you are willing to answer for him, I wouldn't complain about it.

[Blake Belladonna]

Omg. I actually am sheldon.

Wait... is this really true?

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay

Do you have nuance to your reads at this point or are they mostly gutrvs type reads?

[Blake Belladonna]

When you get a chance, can you go into your LUV and Skitter townreads for me please?

Oh dammit, reads I can't explain quite right.

Okay, then how do you rate your own ability to read them?

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay.

Can you look at their ISOs and tell me if you can see why I'm scumreading both of those slots?

[Blake Belladonna]

Cheeky:

Okay

Do you have nuance to your reads at this point or are they mostly gutrvs type reads?

[Blake Belladonna]

I really need a replacement for Deltawave to continue, I think.

[Blake Belladonna]

And by the way, I still would like any explanation whatsoever for why Lil Uzi Vert and Skitter are town.

I've seen no reason whatsoever to be townreading Skitter30 at this point, and on the contrary I see reason to be really suspicious about how she's been approaching this game.
Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think there's exactly one scum within those two players.

The other is within Creature and Deltawave, if I had to guess.

[Blake Belladonna]

She spends a lot of time arguing about the MJL miller claim, but her general read progression on that slot is very hedgey, like she's trying to make it sound nuanced while not really progressing it at all. It just hits the same point and I don't get the impression that she had to think about it enough to eventually land there naturally.

There's also the fact that she mostly ignored everything else for the first few pages of the game, which isn't necessarily scum-indicative by itself, but I remember her being more proactive about trying to get reads and leading engagements in my past games with her; this game she's been very reactive and hasn't given a whole lot of thought about sorting the game beyond the engagement with nomnomnom about MJL's claim.

A small tertiary reason is that I think all her reads are really easy.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter is doing her thing of being transparent and making sense as town. She tends to overexplain and reply to everything as scum.

Both sides of this are NAI from my past experience with her.

[Blake Belladonna]

Saudade how many scumgames do you have on the site? I only found one.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter is the best town player in the table may I remind you all

This should be a red flag for you considering she had a grand total of three reads after that big engagement that ended a few days ago.

I have that many

strong town

reads and I've had access to very little extra information than her.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm sorry, she technically has four reads, but the fourth appears to be a weak read.

[Blake Belladonna]

Which btw blake is determined to do.

Do you believe my reasoning for thinking skitter30 is scum is incorrect?

[Blake Belladonna]

@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay

1. What is incorrect about my reasoning and/or why does it not mean that Skitter is scum?
2. My predecessor did what now?

[Blake Belladonna]

As an extra, why exactly would I choose Skitter of all people to try to force out of the townblock? She's the most difficult person in this entire playerlist to push a lynch on.

[Blake Belladonna]

What makes this approach by me specifically scum trying to break up a townblock and not town trying to root out scum in the townblock?

I am voting LUV because I think I will get far more information from pushing him than skitter.

[Blake Belladonna]

il Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.

[Blake Belladonna]

That's fine.

I really just need a reason to throw Saudade into the strong town pile (I think he's town atm but I'm not very confident in that) and/or 1-2 more slots outside of my current townpool for me to have the game mostly PoEd out, I think.

I will go into the Skitter/LUV dynamic and why I think that's never TvT if I have to, but I'd like to see what the slots in question think beforehand.

[Blake Belladonna]

I predict this game is gonna be really really hard

Why are you thinking this, exactly?

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay...

Who do you have confident reads on then?

[Blake Belladonna]

Ah, the man of the hour.

What are your current reads LUV?

[Blake Belladonna]

Pagetop!

[Blake Belladonna]

MJL are your reads the same as they were when you last posted them?

I can't go one game without this shit wtf

[Blake Belladonna]

Sigh

This game is going to be a lot harder than I initially thought it would.

[Blake Belladonna]

Creature is probably scum.
Saudade is probably town.

[Blake Belladonna]

Are they both individual scumreads or do you believe they have equity as a team?

[Blake Belladonna]

Cool. Saudade is scum too btw but we lynch the partner first to placate the masses.

[Blake Belladonna]

Lay it on me, girlfriend

And have a good birthday while you're at it

[Blake Belladonna]

oh boy this will be fun

@blake u around?

I'm calling this right now this is where the game goes downhill

Skitter and I get along fine.

There's no way any scuffle we have will be any worse than Anuket was.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think there's exactly one scum within those two players.

The other is within Creature and Deltawave, if I had to guess.

how did you get to me/luv being tvs?

The entire way that debate played out is not something I would expect from a group of players that are all town. A lot of it is how the game as a whole played out, tone, and the general trajectories of everyone involved.

It's as close to a gamestate read as you're getting from me on day one.

[Blake Belladonna]

b) yeah i didn't think about the read *that* much; it's pretty apparent if you've played with mjl that her approach to the claim fits exactly with what her towngame looks like; and i'd be pretty surprised if she could fake that as scum

This specifically is something I independently agree with.

But.

I also see you mostly trying to sort MJL in your exchange with nomnomnom, which is incongruent with this statement.

The other three are just "I disagree and I wasn't doing that." You can claim this as much as you want, but that's what I've been seeing this game from you so far.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter is the best town player in the table may I remind you all

This should be a red flag for you considering she had a grand total of three reads after that big engagement that ended a few days ago.

I have that many

strong town

reads and I've had access to very little extra information than her.

a) the game only started like .... yesterday (when i was indcidentally v/la)

b) who are your

strong

townreads

I meant pages, not days. My error.

My strong townreads are CheekyTeeky (personality read), MaryJoLisa (meta/personality read), and nomnomnom (meta read).

[Blake Belladonna]

@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

also this is awful; if you think i'm scum vote me; don't vote the player that's easier to wagon/lynch

I specifically pushed LUV because:

a. I knew you would engage me regardless of whether I started pressuring you directly or not. I did not have that same read on LUV.
b. Direct pressure would not give me sortable information on you, it had some ability to work on LUV.
c. My read on LUV is "town because ? and scum because ?" and I need to be able to sort those out in order to decide which one it is. My read on you is directly because of your overall approach to the game and how it's affected your content.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Skitter30

Sorted.

[Blake Belladonna]

nomnomnom (meta read)

We have played one game together and that game I rolled scum. How can you have a meta read on me?

No, I've seen your scumgame twice. I was in Undertale too.

I can tell that your thought processes are a step more nuanced and thought out before they're being put into the thread from your early engagements, which is generally town-indicative for relatively new players.

[Blake Belladonna]

Mostly because skitter is voting this

Town is doomed.

[Blake Belladonna]

The only way skitter is ever town this game is if her playstyle has shifted pretty hard over the past 1-2 months.

Even then, that just leaves the scumteam as most likely LUV+Creature, because I'm not seeing Creature as very likely town at the moment either with how he's been maneuvering since I entered the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

nomnomnom (meta read)

We have played one game together and that game I rolled scum. How can you have a meta read on me?

No, I've seen your scumgame twice. I was in Undertale too.

I can tell that your thought processes are a step more nuanced and thought out before they're being put into the thread from your early engagements, which is generally town-indicative for relatively new players.

Every game is different and you haven't seen a single town game to be able to see what the differences are, so you are implying I am town.

The parameters here are different from the two other games I've been in as scum (even though I replaced out of one). You are comparing apples and oranges.

You're pretty drastically underestimating how readable this kind of thing really is.

It's very common for nuance to be one of the biggest things separating someone's towngame and scumgame, and you're a new enough player to forum mafia that I can fully buy that you are prone to that exact same difference in playstyle.

CheekyTeeky is somebody I've only ever played with twice as well, but I think she's pretty blatantly obviously town here for somewhat similar reasons; I've seen enough of her scumgame to know roughly the difference of how she plays tonally and this is well beyond what I think she would be able to pull off as scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

The only way skitter is ever town this game is if her playstyle has shifted pretty hard over the past 1-2 months.

Even then, that just leaves the scumteam as most likely LUV+Creature, because I'm not seeing Creature as very likely town at the moment either with how he's been maneuvering since I entered the game.

incidentally it has!

I'm listening.

[Blake Belladonna]

Fine.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Blake Belladonna]

Fine.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

? why aren't you voting me anymore?

I can buy that your playstyle has changed, which reshapes how our engagement plays out.

Plus I think hitting essentially the same PoE as me despite starting a flashwagon on me is a very questionable scumplay since I don't think it's possible for you to be scum with anybody outside of that list except for the empty slot.

[Blake Belladonna]

I asked her what the better push was between you and LUV and she went for LUV, which I sheeped. Then she got into a 1v1 with you over relatively small things and backtracked on it.

How many times do I have to stress that I was looking to sort both of those slots and not specifically looking for a lynch?

And I just explained 1-2 pages ago that pushing Skitter for information purposes is useless.

[Blake Belladonna]

Specifically with wagoning, skitter.

I always knew you were going to engage me on my scumread when you saw it, what exactly is a wagon going to do to help that? I'm going to have to burn part of what little credibility I have to push either slot anyways, so I might as well get something I wouldn't otherwise get for it.

[Blake Belladonna]

@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

also this is awful; if you think i'm scum vote me; don't vote the player that's easier to wagon/lynch

I specifically pushed LUV because:

a. I knew you would engage me regardless of whether I started pressuring you directly or not. I did not have that same read on LUV.
b. Direct pressure would not give me sortable information on you, it had some ability to work on LUV.
c. My read on LUV is "town because ? and scum because ?" and I need to be able to sort those out in order to decide which one it is. My read on you is directly because of your overall approach to the game and how it's affected your content.

i mean ehhhhh i can see this, but it also feels like u aren't putting your money where your mouth is

This post specifically.

[Blake Belladonna]

Alright I can see this was a communication issue.

It's just LUV + Creature then.

[Blake Belladonna]

If it's not Creature, it's the DeltaWave slot.

Nonzero chance it's Saudade, but I also don't find it likely that he maneuvers around this engagement the way he has as scum regardless of whether it's a TvS or TvT engagement.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter + me

[Blake Belladonna]

Alright I can see this was a communication issue.

It's just LUV + Creature then.

? i'm confused where the communication issue is

I get the feeling that my intentions got lost in translation somewhere and the way you responded looks a lot less suspicious from that angle.

[Blake Belladonna]

LUV is always a good vote.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'd be very shocked.

[Blake Belladonna]

I did!

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm aware that my reasoning for townreading him is flimsy, but I'm trusting my own reads enough to call it town indicative anyways since I have enough scumspects without him.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Creature

[Blake Belladonna]

You're more competent than that Creature.

[Blake Belladonna]

Why is that a reason for the pool to not contain both scum?

[Blake Belladonna]

Yeah Ank is weirding me out. She seems too aware of the gamestate/consensus reads and seems to be playing around them.

By the way, this is completely NAI for me, if not a slight town tell.

[Blake Belladonna]

As an addition to the above, I have to play this way regardless of alignment.

Town!me needs to play around the consensus because I believe there is scum within that consensus, and I don't have enough credibility to blitz through and remove LUV from it solo.
Scum!me needs to find a way to replace the consensus that exists with one that includes enough potential mislynches to have a shot at winning the game with. This is sketchy if for no other reason than who exactly am I scum with if I'm using this strategy?

[Blake Belladonna]

And as an addition for why Creature is as scum?

He's playing heavily survivalistically. This recent thought process is not a real one, because there are far better reasons than those three are the lowest posters to scumread them. Creature is scum realizing that he's in a hole because too many people are clearly town for him to win.

Lil Uzi Vert is scum because he's been playing the whole game politically instead of actually sorting people. His interactions with skitter and me are fake and made to look busy more than actually sorting people. Also of note is that he had no strong opinion of skitter after that engagement he had with her clearly showing he had a scumread trajectory on her.

Deltawave is null, but there are good reasons to townread everybody else in the game. The game is really as simple as it looks and I would be pretty shocked if the scumteam wasn't in that list.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm not sure what else I can do to show you I'm town skitter

[Blake Belladonna]

A creature scumflip spews both of us town so that's probably the simplest solution.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm pretty sure you're town now because Creature doesn't take this path if he's scum with you.

[Blake Belladonna]

Wouldn't it just be easier to just play the town's paranoia instead of doing this song and dance around you specifically?

I have enough charisma to avoid the lynch for day one and you dying would not be weird at all for anybody to make, why play around you specifically and box myself into this in the process when I don't have to?

[Blake Belladonna]

I think I'm always going to be confused about why I get scumread in most of my towngames.

[Blake Belladonna]

Creature who exactly am I wrong to townread then?

[Blake Belladonna]

How are you townreading both Creature and LUV?

[Blake Belladonna]

Then why are you unwilling to vote for either of them?

[Blake Belladonna]

Wow.

[Blake Belladonna]

Alright I'm checking out of the thread.

Let me know if I need to answer anything, but otherwise I'm leaving you with the same PoE that should have been very obvious today.

[Blake Belladonna]

And skitter

For the love of god get confidence in your deductions so you can see this through, don't make the mistake of reassessing your way to another wrong solve.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've been shouting a Creature + LUV + Deltawave PoE for several pages now.

[Blake Belladonna]

It's just Creature and LUV though. They know they can't win without lynching me this game.

[Blake Belladonna]

And skitter

For the love of god get confidence in your deductions so you can see this through, don't make the mistake of reassessing your way to another wrong solve.

Not actually sure what this is referring to

I feel p good about scum!creature actually rn

You do a ton of reassessing and I can see scum slipping away because you doubt your read on a town slot and give them an opportunity to get a mislynch they otherwise can't get.

Scum literally have to lynch Saudade + Deltawave + MJL to win without directly removing me day one, lynching me gives them more options and allows them to take out BOTH of us in a single day night cycle, which is disastrous with where everybody else is reads wise.

[Blake Belladonna]

Are you playing a different game I am or are you sniping at everything I'm saying for no reason?

[Blake Belladonna]

Blake why is nom town?

Believe me I've had to ask that to myself a half dozen times this game.

Sadly, bizarre tunnels are NAI for her. I'll ISO her again later to make sure I'm still confident in my initial townread.

[Blake Belladonna]

Are you playing a different game I am or are you sniping at everything I'm saying for no reason?

We're probably playing the same game. Although I have my doubts sometimes.

Your self importance in all of this is actually quite comical if you ask me.

Considering that FMPOV most of the town either doesn't care or thinks I'm scum over my scumreads, yeah I would put a heightened importance on my own survival and seeing the game as a lot less likely of a win if I get lynched today.

[Blake Belladonna]

LUV

You sniped at a couple of skitters posts from the side and then went nowhere with them, then voted my predecessor and have given no indication whatsoever that anything I've done has shifted anything or that you're independently scumreading anything I'm doing. And now you're coming in here and asking Creature why he unvoted me?

[Blake Belladonna]

You're playing politically in the sense that you're playing for appearance and not trying to sort out the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

This game baffles me.

[Blake Belladonna]

TDC, I just have one request for you:

Please be sane.

[Blake Belladonna]

Am I really coming off that strongly or are people exaggerating it?

[Blake Belladonna]

Not currently, no.

I think it's better if I step back and let the game play for a bit.

[Blake Belladonna]

I mean my slot was in your 4 player scum short list, so it should be highly relevant for you to find out whether I'm scum (if I understand your skills correctly, this is the missing piece of puzzle to solve the game), so my first thoughts on the game should be highly interesting for you, but instead you just wonder about other people's perception of you.

For the record, I've taken note of a couple things you said in your catch up that has given me a moderately strong read on you.

I'm just choosing not to comment on it currently.

[Blake Belladonna]

CheekyTeeky can you go into your Saudade scumread more for me please?

[Blake Belladonna]

That's not alignment indicative for him in my experience.

[Blake Belladonna]

Fine, I'll park.

VOTE: Saudade

[Blake Belladonna]

You've also seen me in Anuket, where I was like 500% worse. I kind of feel like you would have the highest tolerance of everybody here except maybe Creature.

[Blake Belladonna]

So uh.

I took a step back and rethought my reads out again and watched the last couple pages.

I'm still not entirely sure why the scumteam isn't just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert?

[Blake Belladonna]

So far thinking MJL + nomnomnom + skitter30 + LUV + me wins the game.

So far thinking MJL + nomnomnom + skitter30 + LUV + me wins the game.

Just treat me as town and we should have the game on lock.

Creature are you currently here?

When you get a chance, can you go into your LUV and Skitter townreads for me please?

When you get a chance, can you go into your LUV and Skitter townreads for me please?

Oh dammit, reads I can't explain quite right.

Creature steals my townblock then kicks me out of it. Cunning move sir.

Who do you want out?

When you get a chance, can you go into your LUV and Skitter townreads for me please?

Oh dammit, reads I can't explain quite right.

Okay, then how do you rate your own ability to read them?

It depends, sometimes I feel like I have seen enough, sometimes I feel like I may have gone too soon. I'm leaning the latter rn.

I think this interaction by itself is pretty strong evidence of a Creature + Lil Uzi Vert scumteam.

[Blake Belladonna]

Well yeah, that's also part of it.

I think a lot of how Creature has been shifting his approach this game is really suspicious in general, but those are the two biggest points that really stand out.

[Blake Belladonna]

shifting your approach to a game is suspicious?
porque?

Did you read the progression?

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Creature

[Blake Belladonna]

So uh.

I took a step back and rethought my reads out again and watched the last couple pages.

I'm still not entirely sure why the scumteam isn't just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert?

Why hop to Saudade then? And don't tell me anything about pressure.

Because Cheeky followed me before and I was just returning the favor.

[Blake Belladonna]

You could just vote Creature for a scumflip, nom.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Creature

[Blake Belladonna]

Oh believe me, I'm getting very annoyed with all the directions everybody is going in too.

[Blake Belladonna]

Nomnomnom you really need to take a step back and think about whether my actions are actually scum-indicative or just weird to you.

This is the source of just about every scumread on me this game and that's frankly a very weak reason to think somebody is scum for, since it's really just a sign of a playstyle clash from the town in this group.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm not going to humor 725 with a response.

[Blake Belladonna]

It's pretty easily explainable by me being wary of engaging too much with my scumreads (predominantly LUV from how his side has gone) and me having an engagement with skitter that I just cut short and reassessed later.

I'm not very strong at direct engagements, and that mindset should light both into a bit of a different light.

[Blake Belladonna]

I caught shit for the exact same thing when I pushed LUV instead of skitter earlier in the game. At least there, I could understand what the issue was that prevented people from understanding why.

In this case, you're effectively scumreading me because I didn't try to push for the scumread that will be harder to lynch today over the one that already has some supporr in my solve.

What exactly is the problem?

[Blake Belladonna]

I will follow a LUV push.

[Blake Belladonna]

And by the way, I still would like any explanation whatsoever for why Lil Uzi Vert and Skitter are town.

I've seen no reason whatsoever to be townreading Skitter30 at this point, and on the contrary I see reason to be really suspicious about how she's been approaching this game.
Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.

I think there's exactly one scum within those two players.

The other is within Creature and Deltawave, if I had to guess.

This game is not hard, guys.

[Blake Belladonna]

I will follow a LUV push.

What's with the sudden change of heart?

Can you read my posts please?

[Blake Belladonna]

Actually you're right. I'd love to hear you talk more, Blake.

What's the course of action here, huh? What are your thoughts right now?

All I really want is one of my two scumspects lynched, in the end.

I find it hard to believe that cheeky can be scum this game.
I find it hard to believe that nom can be scum this game.
I find it hard to believe that skitter can be scum this game.
I find it hard to believe that TDC can be scum this game.
I find it hard to believe that MJL can be scum this game, although this is a lower confidence level than the other slots.

But what I keep seeing is everybody in that list showing pretty blatantly that they are playing enough attention to see what is actually going on in the game, but are just overthinking the game to a ridiculous degree.

It really doesn't take very much to realize that skitter and I are TvT. When you really look at how we approached this game, you are assuming that I came into the game and immediately undermined the town consensus read on my partner, then staged this massive fight between us for... what reason exactly? In what universe is that a viable way to play the day 1 of this game rather than me letting skitter pocket the entire town and just looking for excuses for her to shield me until I'm in a good enough spot to be able to push mislynches directly?

A lot of the issue behind this entire debate is that you all are looking at from a technically possible perspective rather than a "would they do this" perspective. And when you realize that us being SvS is ridiculous, you hit a point where you realize that despite being tunneled on each other,

our reads were nearly identical.

If you need any more evidence for why me backing off skitter when I did was legitimate, that's exactly the reason. If you go back, you can even see that I mentioned exactly that at the time.

I've hit the Creature + LUV solve forever ago and I've been trying to push for one of those two slots for pretty much the entire game.
I pretty blatantly reassessed and even said I reassessed, and just hit the same team anyways.
I've been consistent in everything I've said to sorting into this solve, and pushing it as a solve.

So why am I even being considered as a scumspect when you are literally 2-3 steps away from hitting the exact same solve that skitter and I hit a dozen pages ago?

You're overthinking the game. It really is not that hard if you pay attention to what's going on and ignore the distractions.

And if you're still struggling to townread me, then look at my actions as a progression and not as individual events. My entire thought process is right there in plain writing, you just need to look for it.

[Blake Belladonna]

I give up.

I'll get to you later Cheeky but otherwise I think I've said my piece.

Let me know when we're lynching scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Blake Belladonna]

I just don't want to talk to a brick wall, nom.

[Blake Belladonna]

LUV why do you even care about my read on you? I haven't had the influence to be a particular threat to you and yet you've put a weird amount of focus on it.

[Blake Belladonna]

Like I'm your only scumread and you want me to explain to you why you're scum? What?

[Blake Belladonna]

All I remember is you asking questions that are vague, openended, and/or essentially asking me to explain how I got to a scumread on you.

Quote me anything that isn't the above and I will respond to it.

[Blake Belladonna]

Let’s go back to the beginning.

Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.

What was the content you were unsure about town reading and how and when did it suddenly become content that you think more than likely comes from scum?

I initially townread the skitter attack because I agreed with it. Afterwards I realized the way you handled it was not especially town.

[Blake Belladonna]

Let’s go back to the beginning.

Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.

What was the content you were unsure about town reading and how and when did it suddenly become content that you think more than likely comes from scum?

I initially townread the skitter attack because I agreed with it. Afterwards I realized the way you handled it was not especially town.

Because I didn’t vote?

You had words but no actual conviction behind it. It looked like a play for appearances rather than sorting.

[Blake Belladonna]

I wasn't kidding when I said I wasn't gonna try this game
but no post pinged me so far in 37 pages indicates that scum are competent players

And who exactly does this apply to?

[Blake Belladonna]

Lmao did you actually hit my solve saudade

[Blake Belladonna]

Then that post was entirely meaningless saudade

[Blake Belladonna]

Yes

[Blake Belladonna]

............

[Blake Belladonna]

That's one way to sync everyone up with us.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter which one first?

[Blake Belladonna]

TDC is town.

[Blake Belladonna]

That's the lynch pool all game, skitter.

Scum is not outside of those names.

[Blake Belladonna]

Actually I'm fine voting whoever now. Saudade never endgames from here. RIGHT PEOPLE?!

I promise that Saudade will not live past day three.

[Blake Belladonna]

That's the lynch pool all game, skitter.

Scum is not outside of those names.

I know, but

some

people decided to put me in the lynchpool too

I'm not convinced nom is town either

Idk about saudade but cheeky thinjs he's scum so i don't mind making sure he doesn't endgame

Blake i'm a bit paranoid of you but i think you're prob town overall

I think that's everyone i'm not confidentally townreading

I think you'd have caught on by now if I was legitimately scum this game.

[Blake Belladonna]

Nomnomnom is blatantly sorting even if I don't agree with how she's doing it.

This is absolutely nothing like catloaves from her.

[Blake Belladonna]

No mass claim thank you.

[Blake Belladonna]

So can we lynch luv now

[Blake Belladonna]

Because he's scum Saudade

[Blake Belladonna]

Fake claiming masons in a micro is really stupid because it always gets exposed before endgame and it outs both scum.

Not worth it.

[Blake Belladonna]

And cheeky

You're thinking of Sliver

[Blake Belladonna]

It would be overly stupid of scum to fake claim masons in a micro.

Really? We're really going to add more pointless pages of paranoia?

Fake claiming masons in a micro is really stupid because it always gets exposed before endgame and it outs both scum.

Not worth it.

Okay, so explain to me one thing.
They're both masons right? The scumpool is fairly obvious and they literally cannot lose. So tell me what the hesitation is coming from them. This should LITERALLY be an autowin whatever they pick.

Because it's skitter, she wants to be sure before pulling the trigger.

That's just her personality, completely NAI.

[Blake Belladonna]

3 scum with daytalk would be wild.

[Blake Belladonna]

You just showed that you have daytalk, so there is an encryptor somewhere.

I imagine scum has one to nerf the masons.

[Blake Belladonna]

Uh, thanks I guess. I wasn't looking for a claim.

[Blake Belladonna]

Because scum have daytalk too, TDC. Town also probably has no real power other than the mason pair.

[Blake Belladonna]

you know it's a real funny feeling when a game should actually auto solved but then everyone acts weird for no reason whatsoever and then everyone wonders why nobody is moving an inch

This is roughly how I've been feeling all day fwiw

[Blake Belladonna]

Lmao. You should make a reaction video nom while you look at everything restrospectively

dude if i ever find a guy and some bitch weants to play homewrecker they can just snipe this fucking game and my chances are fucking kill

I can relate to this.

[Blake Belladonna]

How do you know what it says? I'm genuinely perplexed.

She's saying that if she finds a guy she likes, someone can just look them this game and her chances with him would be zero.

[Blake Belladonna]

I wonder if theres a person like me on mafiascum...

You're probably one of a kind, Saudade.

[Blake Belladonna]

It really doesn't take very much to realize that skitter and I are TvT. When you really look at how we approached this game, you are assuming that I came into the game and immediately undermined the town consensus read on my partner, then staged this massive fight between us for... what reason exactly? In what universe is that a viable way to play the day 1 of this game rather than me letting skitter pocket the entire town and just looking for excuses for her to shield me until I'm in a good enough spot to be able to push mislynches directly?

i'm really looking forward to when we roll s/s again

That would be a very hype game!

[Blake Belladonna]

Is there anything in particular I am needed for?

[Blake Belladonna]

Because... I don't want to massclaim?

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't see how a massclaim would help me narrow down my reads more since I'm pretty sure it's just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert with maybe Saudade or MJL as a very low probability substitute.

But.

I CAN see scenarios where scum pull some bullshit out of their ass and people get fooled into shifting their reads again and suddenly the game isn't solved anymore.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm not hammering shit until the masons are done with what they're doing. Sorry.

[Blake Belladonna]

Considering that a lot of what's holding skitter up is her read on me specifically, I'm not exactly enthused about cutting that off prematurely.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Creature

[Blake Belladonna]

Sorry skitter

[Blake Belladonna]

If you want to hammer, go ahead. Afterwards, you are lynching LUV and TDC because that is the scumteam.

I do not believe for a second that town actually wins after my death, though. I don't understand how you all got to the conclusion that I have to be scum from this, but I fully expect that with Saudade and MJL in the game for free mislynches, town straight up do not win the game from this.

I have little more I can add right now, I'll go more into why I think that is the scumteam later on if I am still alive by then, but I would recommend giving me some room for that if you care at all, because it would be very easy for scum to hammer me here without consequence.

[Blake Belladonna]

I am townreading Saudade, by the way.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: TDC

I'm mostly leaving my vote here out of defiance.

[Blake Belladonna]

I was going to look at some of MJLs other game to check against what I know of her personality, but I'm not sure if I have the patience for that right now.

[Blake Belladonna]

nomnomnom is still blatantly town despite this push, I don't think it's within her scumrange to be able to stream of consciousness in this level of detail as scum.
cheeky is confirmed mason.
MJL I'm throwing in the town bin mainly because I somewhat remember her reads being a lot more flat and forced as scum (I helped mod starcraft mafia, so I was able to see things that nobody else has), although I admit she was well out of her element that game and need to double check this with other games first before writing off on it.
Saudade had a trajectory towards the end of day yesterday that I felt was townspewish, I got the impression that he would be playing a more consistent tight game as scum, and pushing so aggressively back against the push on him AND the lynch target for the day doesn't seem like a scum thought process for me.

That leaves LUV and TDC.

LUV is pretty easy if you look at how his reads evolve over day one; his trajectories are very jagged and not consistent from post to post, and also not consistent from how he's approaching the game and other slots. I'd need a lot more time to build an actual case on this since this type of read is heavily based on gut for me, but I found it pretty blatant when I did see it.

TDC is a strong partner choice for two reasons:

1. TDC, when you really look at his ISO, is the very definition of scum looking busy. He isn't legitimate sorting anybody this game, he's asking questions and yet not taking the answers anywhere. He's slipping into the blind spots because his content looks good enough on the surface to pass as a solving ISO, but there is no actual solving there.
2. TDCs first post contains two separate instances of incongruence. First, look at his LUV read and tell me that looks natural. Then look at his Blake and Skitter reads and tell me that his reasoning warrants a stronger scumread than that. Second, look at how he explains his reads in the first place. It's strange that a player that looks to ply with more of an oldschool approach plays like somebody from the hyperposter era when it comes to giving reads in just that one instance, which is also relevant because of how little raw sorting there is in his ISO.

[Blake Belladonna]

If you were town, how do you expect anyone to follow your theory if you don't even bother to explain it?

You are either scum or not playing to win.

I'm sorry for having a job, but you're welcome for spending a lot of the time I use getting ready for said job to build a wall of text for exactly this reason because for whatever reason I'm being pressured with a quicklynch when the day has been open for something like 5 hours before I woke up?

[Blake Belladonna]

But I am very curious to hear your own reasoning for why I'm scum this game, TDC.

[Blake Belladonna]

No denial, just a forced minicase.

Okay then.

[Blake Belladonna]

Incorrect. The crux of my case is that you're not sorting, and that response still does not indicate that you are sorting. All it indicates is that you are caught up enough to know WHY I'm being pushed.

[Blake Belladonna]

Let me amend, all it shows is that you know what the points are, not necessarily why they are points.

[Blake Belladonna]

Case in point.

How did you reach that conclusion?

[Blake Belladonna]

That's not good enough reasoning.

I gave the cliff notes on why I am reading everybody the way I am, now it's your turn.

[Blake Belladonna]

Prove your questions were actual attempts to get reads and not just busiwork.

[Blake Belladonna]

Because LUV is pretty obviously scum if you look at him and I'm pretty certain the only reason I'm being pushed at all is because people are jumping at shinies instead of looking at actual AI content?

Like even if you just focus on the way he handled my slot, it makes a lot of sense from a scum mindset when I was the first person to point a finger at him in any way.

[Blake Belladonna]

To you it isn't!

It's exceptionally important to everybody else because I'm very confident that Saudade is being set up for the game winning mislynch.

[Blake Belladonna]

That's especially important to YOU, Cheeky.

You especially need to see what's going on here and take my words seriously if I do end up flipping this game. You cannot rely on nomnomnom because she is not thinking in the way that town needs to win this game.

Saudade is not scum. It is LUV + TDC.

[Blake Belladonna]

I trust you understand why I would be very wary about lynching Saudade and having to convince nomnomnom and MJL both to lynch LUV and TDC tomorrow, right?

[Blake Belladonna]

I see.

Then the game is lost.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm not sure where else I can go from here if both nom and you are stuck with different pocket scumreads and both think I'm legitimately scum here.

[Blake Belladonna]

I see.

Then the game is lost.

How can you say LUV is scum and then say the game is lost when I agree to lynch him?

You don't believe your own reads.

...Because you are wanting to lynch me, who is town, and then planning to lynch Saudade, who is also town?

[Blake Belladonna]

You've just proved my point, Cheeky.

I can't trust you to lynch TDC because you think that Saudade and I are scum over him.

[Blake Belladonna]

I want TDC lynched today because that snaps everybody out of their incorrect pocket scumreads. I'm fine with being lynched after the non-LUV scum is lynched because everyone already believes that there's one scum between him and me.

[Blake Belladonna]

You've messed up by speaking non-logic about your own reads. And now using a strawman to avoid the fact you spewed that you know LUV isn't scum.

What?

[Blake Belladonna]

Nomnomnom always dies when I am lynched, by the way.

She's the strongest townread slot that is still sorting. Everybody else is scum, mislynchable, or tunneled.

[Blake Belladonna]

Idk what exactly you want me to say, Cheeky.

I'm looking at the bigger picture, you're scumlocking me for a thought process that only comes from somebody that isn't looking at the bigger picture.

I don't have faith that TDC will be any more lynchable after a LUV lynch without me there and I can't trust that I will be alive tomorrow in that scenario. I don't think it's possible to lynch that slot without me here.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've been voting TDC this entire time, Cheeky.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've been voting TDC this entire time, Cheeky.

Why can't you compromise on LUV when you're sure he's the solve?

Have you been reading any of my posts?

[Blake Belladonna]

What assurance do I have that TDC gets lynched after LUV gets lynched today, Cheeky?

[Blake Belladonna]

Why would TDC leave me alive when the rest of the town is this disorganized and I'm the only one on their tail, as well as me being spewed town from a LUV scumflip thanks to how I entered the game?

[Blake Belladonna]

What assurance do I have that TDC gets lynched after LUV gets lynched today, Cheeky?

If LUV flips red like you're assuming. How many mislynches do we get? What happens if TDC flips town? How are you even getting them lynched today?

We have one mislynch.

[Blake Belladonna]

Why would TDC leave me alive when the rest of the town is this disorganized and I'm the only one on their tail, as well as me being spewed town from a LUV scumflip thanks to how I entered the game?

It hasn't occured to you that we might listen if luv flipped red first? Even if you were dead?

This is so far from my meta of you.

You haven't seen what happened in Anime Upick, then.

[Blake Belladonna]

Cheeky, any meta you have on me is out of date.

My scumgame has improved drastically just in the last few months, and my town game has hit two major shifts within the past year or so, one of which was just last month.

I don't play the same way that I did last year, I mainly changed my playing account to make it a bit more clear about this.

[Blake Belladonna]

Blake, how is Saud town? I need some discussion here. This is my only hang-up about this game.

I don't think scum!Saudade comes into the day white knighting me and pushing one of the most townread slots in the game when the majority of the game is looking to lynch him. It suggests that his partner is likely going to endgame without him and I'm not really sure who would even fit that bill except for TDC.

It's mostly a perspective read for today, I still think his stances don't really work from a scum mindset from day one.

[Blake Belladonna]

Maybe a Saudade/MJL team actually, but I feel like scum!MJL has to be getting coached this game and I do not believe Saudade is the type to coach his scumpartners.

[Blake Belladonna]

Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?

[Blake Belladonna]

Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?

No. I need to reread.

Oh maybe. How well do you think Skitter reads you?

She has yet to ever have a confident read on me, I believe. I think she is probably one of those players that could see through my scumgame with enough experience with it, but she is completely hopeless at recognizing my town game from what I have seen. She has always second guessed her townreads on me at some point.

[Blake Belladonna]

Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?

No. I need to reread.

Oh maybe. How well do you think Skitter reads you?

She has yet to ever have a confident read on me, I believe. I think she is probably one of those players that could see through my scumgame with enough experience with it, but she is completely hopeless at recognizing my town game from what I have seen. She has always second guessed her townreads on me at some point.

I will admit that I only remember four games with skitter, for posterity.

1. SvS, scum already won by the time I replaced in, really didn't need to do much.
2. SvT, skitter had a nullish townish read on me iirc, I shot her night 1 because I needed to manipulate the endgame away from her + Invisibility
3. TvT, skitter flip-flopped a lot, started at a scum read, then a townread, then started second guessing it until it was blatantly obvious I was town.
4. TvS, skitter died before I altslipped so this is barely relevant, plus I don't think we ever interacted.

[Blake Belladonna]

Cheeky...

The first two posts aren't necessarily paranoid town. Creature at that point was starting to become a common scumread throughout the playerlist, and it also achieves the point if giving him an angle to fortify his position as scum. Having something to potentially attack or hide behind is something scum can hide behind fairly easily.

The last post doesn't make as much sense when you realize that I was pushing a LUV+Creature solve before that directly. Plus, with how many issues he had with how my playstyle was functioning before that, do you believe it's natural that he just accepted my answer to that?

[Blake Belladonna]

Look at TDCs day two iso.

He's not actively trying to sort or solve thee game, he's just interacting with people and throwing out reads when it suits him.

He's not trying to find scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

He's been around for most of this entire conversation, but all three of us have a pretty drastic difference in how we are playing than he does.

It's not a coincidence, Cheeky.

[Blake Belladonna]

He's been around for most of this entire conversation, but all three of us have a pretty drastic difference in how we are playing than he does.

It's not a coincidence, Cheeky.

Do you know how sick I am of lynching town to prove I'm right? If he flips town you've game thrown if you are town because you're dying next. Your lack of hesitation is concerning.

I will accept credit for the town loss if this ends up happening.

[Blake Belladonna]

Look at TDCs day two iso.

He's not actively trying to sort or solve thee game, he's just interacting with people and throwing out reads when it suits him.

He's not trying to find scum.

You mean today? How does this apply to tdc and not Saudade? He has thought you were scum from D1? Why does he need to resolve?

I gave my reasoning for thinking Saudade is town. Do you disagree with it?

[Blake Belladonna]

Which players have I not given that standard for?

[Blake Belladonna]

I will accept credit for the town loss if this ends up happening.

Well it's the perfect move for scum you. So I guess credit is a more apt word than responsibility.

Wouldn't it be easier for me to try to push for a LUV lynch over me and try to charisma my way through LYLO?

Unless my exact partner is Saudade, I can even push that off until tomorrow and turn on Saudade.

Instead, I'm pushing for town!TDC? At the threat of being quickhammered?

Thinking I'm trying to leave a chaotic gamestate is fine, but this kind of tactic doesn't really work unless I believe my partner has better odds with me going down ungracefully than with just trying to push mislynches, which is already not very hard to do with where everybody's reads sat at the start of the day.

[Blake Belladonna]

Fine.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Blake Belladonna]

Fuck all of this honestly.

Honestly, I'm starting to be a bit over this game.

All I can really hope for is that A scum lynch will be enough, even if it's the suboptimal one.

[Blake Belladonna]

I agree with you, nom.

I don't think it's going to be possible today, sadly.

But if you are interested in talking about LUV, I will listen at least

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: TDC

[Blake Belladonna]

I need a break from this game.

I feel like I need to double check to make sure my MJL townread is still valid too.