I think the people who wrote the wiki probably know what they're talking about so I'm claiming town miller. I'm choosing to take the first piece of advice on the grounds that I don't have the skill as a player to craft the necessary gamestate for option 2. Either way, it looks like I should expect to be lynched. I'll do my best to scum hunt until then.
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Hi everyone. I have a weird role this time and I've never seen it in a game to learn strategies on how to play it. Fortunately, the wiki offered handy advice on playing this role:
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I think the people who wrote the wiki probably know what they're talking about so I'm claiming town miller. I'm choosing to take the first piece of advice on the grounds that I don't have the skill as a player to craft the necessary gamestate for option 2. Either way, it looks like I should expect to be lynched. I'll do my best to scum hunt until then.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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It's less fun for me!In post 15, Elsa Jay wrote:A Miller in a Micro? Fun.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I don't really *get* the role. Seems damaging to town for nothing. If I get lynched in the natural course of the game, the reads that I left behind would be reviewed retroactively as coming from a town perspective.In post 17, CheekyTeeky wrote:So pure. You played it right.
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In post 33, nomnomnom wrote: It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I don't know what difference it makes whether I understand the value of the role or not if I followed the wiki advice word for word. Whatever. Lynch me, vig me, or keep me aboard. I'll provide reads periodically through the game for as long as I'm alive.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I'll provide reads when I'm good and ready and not before. Two people haven't even checked in yet.In post 120, nomnomnom wrote:The fact that I feel town!mjl would have asked more deep questions about being a miller (it's meta so feel free to disregard)?
The fact that she proclaims she'll periodically provide reads as the game goes on, speaking like she's an outsider and not an actual member of town? (46)
The fact that we were promised some scum hunting but all we got was a self-vote?
Good times, good times.In post 122, skitter30 wrote:the only oen of those i actually have a problem with is the self-vote actually
incidentally i was the ic in her first newbie game (back when we still had ic's!) and deathtunneled town!her for like two dayphases for being lamistThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I do. I'm about to have dinner so I'll post what I've got in a bit if you don't mind a partial read.In post 132, skitter30 wrote:@mjl do u have any reads on the people who are here?The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Still writing. Got derailed.In post 136, skitter30 wrote:
sure, take your timeIn post 133, MaryJoLisa wrote:
I do. I'm about to have dinner so I'll post what I've got in a bit if you don't mind a partial read.In post 132, skitter30 wrote:@mjl do u have any reads on the people who are here?The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Have we even met before?In post 33, nomnomnom wrote: It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.
I educated myself to the best of my ability on my role PM and I pulled the trigger on my chosen course of action. I did not plead ignorance as to the weight or wisdom of my actions, both with role claiming and self-voting, or ask for special consideration for any reason (newness or otherwise). If I had questions about my role for the player base, I’d have asked them before role claiming. My feelings about the value of the miller role are immaterial to this game.In post 44, nomnomnom wrote:
Even if it's just before? I'm fairly sure town!MJL would have read the thing just on top and asked more questions about the place of a miller in a setup but in here she acted confused. That's how I feel about the slot anyway.In post 42, skitter30 wrote:
I don't understand the problem you're having really, she can read the advice on how to play without getting the role of a miller in a setupIn post 40, nomnomnom wrote:Now explain to me how someone would follow the play section to the letter and somehow not understand the role when it's explained just before.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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@Skitter, these are not anywhere near as fleshed out as I'd like them to be but I want to make sure to put them down here before I go to sleep just in case I get hammered before I can log back in.
Saudade:I don’t know what his shtick is, but I’m willing to give him a town read in light of other, more tempting scum candidates.
CheekyTeeky:Yeah, she’s a scum read for me. (Sorry, Cheeky!) See Elsa Jay for more info.
DeltaWave:null
Lil Uzi Vert:I think town for Uzi.
skitter30:Town. If Skitter is scum, she deserves the win because I’m totally buying the town play.
Creature:null
nomnomnom:Town. I really want to scum read this but I can’t yet. If I'm around tomorrow, I'll try to build a town and scum case so I can better sort this player with the evidence in front of me.
Elsa Jay:Scum. (Sorry, Elsa!) The acceptance of my claiming miller seemed perfectly natural to Elsa; like he was aware that I wasn’t scum, so my miller claim was plausible. Still digesting the day’s events, but I thought the daychat slip was over-compensated for between Elsa Jay and CheekyTeeky. They were still doing damage control even though my miller claim had taken my, Skitter and noms' attention.
My personal preference is that scum is Elsa and nom, but my logic tells me Elsa and Cheeky are a more likely pair. This of course could change when Creature and DeltaWave show up.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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My reads are the same.In post 280, Blake Belladonna wrote:In post 279, Ankamius wrote:MJL are your reads the same as they were when you last posted them?The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Yes, I was.In post 288, nomnomnom wrote:
Right weren't you supposed to make a town/scum me case later on?In post 282, MaryJoLisa wrote:
My reads are the same.In post 280, Blake Belladonna wrote:In post 279, Ankamius wrote:MJL are your reads the same as they were when you last posted them?The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I don't know how no one else saw that. I thought it was an open alt.In post 293, Creature wrote:Oh right, Blake is Ankle.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.In post 397, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'd be very shocked.
"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."
The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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How the fuck should I know?In post 455, nomnomnom wrote:
Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?In post 451, MaryJoLisa wrote:In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.In post 397, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'd be very shocked.
"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."
The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Updated Reads:
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: Slight scum lean. Maybe Cheeky and Elsa are just more friendly together than Cheeky and Blake? Not feeling the same energy there any more.CheekyTeeky
: NullDeltaWave
: Town. No idea what you guys are seeing here, but I’m not seeing it.Lil Uzi Vert
: Town. I can tinfoil hat this and make a case for a Skitter/Blake team, but I’d need to find actual evidence to support the likelihood of that. Right now, it's just a feeling.skitter30
: Null. Need support for changing my read.Creature
: Strongest town read.Nomnomnom
: Scum still. (Sorry)Blake Belladonna
@Nomnomnom, I know I said I’d build a case for either town or scum, but I’m not feeling a scum read on you at all so I don’t want to spend my time considering it when no one else is calling you out.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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It's not you. It's Elsa. I've got it stuck in my head that Elsa was scum and I'm having trouble shaking it.In post 506, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think I'm always going to be confused about why I get scumread in most of my towngames.
FWIW, if you had started in this game from the beginning, I'd probably be sheeping off you. Your charisma and logic seems fine to me.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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It's better in the newbie queue.In post 597, Saudade wrote:Fuck ya'll reading people based off tone, ridiculous statement go back to the newbie queueThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Why Skitter?In post 629, Creature wrote:
Would only do skitter out of these.In post 628, nomnomnom wrote:The lynch should be in {skitter, blake, LUV}.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Updated reads
Saudade– Could make a case for scum. Still reading through Cheeky’s links.
CheekyTeeky– Previously scum reading her, but the meta for Saudade is resonating with me and I don’t mind if she’s all over the place with her SR’s. If she’s town, it makes sense to see her SRs change as she works out the puzzle.
TDC– I’m reading strong town with this player. He seems honest and open and he’s diving right in with reads that feel genuine and logical.
Lil Uzi Vert– I’m *still* not seeing what everyone else is seeing. I’ll put looking into his meta on my list of things to do.
skitter30- I can definitely make a scum case for Skitter, but I’ll need to look at some more town and scum samples to sort her better. Right now, she feels very much like she did in my first game with her, so I’m still giving her a town read.
Creature– Still null.
Nomnomnom– Still town.
Blake Belladonna– Scum lean, but not as strong as it was yesterday.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I'll sheep you nomnomIn post 824, nomnomnom wrote:
It's alright, I figured it out for you.In post 823, Creature wrote:This game is a headache.
There should have a big obvipus difference between the gamestate of a town that magically solved the game early D1 and the the gamestate of a town unwilling tp reconsider their reads while scum are perfectly fine with hpw the game is going.
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hi
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unless there was a coordinated alt-slip post by Ankamius with a person pretending to be her, then I'd say yes, Blake is Ankamius.In post 941, Saudade wrote:is Blake AnkamiusThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Not this game, no.In post 938, Saudade wrote: do you ever express yourself on your own and not in context of another player mateThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Oh. Then I guess yes, this game I do.In post 952, Saudade wrote:
no you've actually done well I'm talking to luvIn post 949, MaryJoLisa wrote:
Not this game, no.In post 938, Saudade wrote: do you ever express yourself on your own and not in context of another player mateThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Nom was pretty clear that he did not think there would be 3 scum. Has this changed?In post 1076, TDC wrote:To be honest, the way Cheeky played it is probably far from optimal town play, but I don't see it as viable scum play though, because in a micro they would obv. go down in any mass cliam scenario that doesn't add up. Also I find it hard to believe skitter would try to coach her as she did in broad daylight (the it's not a town tel for me when cheaky initially justified her town read).
Balance wise I'm with Nom, I think we might be looking at three scum here, though not necessarily a group of three.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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In post 1095, Skygazer wrote:(the sample role pm is a generic mafia goon sample and may or may not be indicative of actual role PMs sent)
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Maybe Masons just talk during the night phase?In post 1098, CheekyTeeky wrote:How do masons not have daytalk?! What do you think masons are?!The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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In post 455, nomnomnom wrote:
Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?In post 451, MaryJoLisa wrote:
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."
The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.
What changed here?In post 457, nomnomnom wrote:
I don't know, common sense?In post 456, MaryJoLisa wrote:How the fuck should I know?The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I had never thought of it.In post 1152, Saudade wrote:Did you guys know that any returning force acts like a harmonic oscillator given a small enough scaleThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Good question. I've diagnosed you with townism this game, so I don't understand what everyone is seeing.In post 1229, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why do you find me hard to read Skitter?The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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My only power role capacity seems to be fucking with people's heads. Miller seems like a stupid role.In post 1351, nomnomnom wrote:
Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?In post 1350, TDC wrote:
Please explain so someone who has essentially no idea about site meta can understand.In post 1346, nomnomnom wrote:Plus now that we have confirmed masons the miller claim seems incredibly more dubious.
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In post 1363, nomnomnom wrote:We just need to go forward this game, most of the clues are D1.Today is a speedlynch day.Spoiler:
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You say that like it's a bad thing.In post 1700, Saudade wrote:Tbh id send some of you back to the newbie queueThe Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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I can't do that, Cheeky. I can't sheep you to TDC. You have to make logical picks.In post 1736, CheekyTeeky wrote:MJL get me out of here please.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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Who is bullying you? I have to go back and read. Don't let someone bully you like that. If they're bullying you, then they're hiding something.In post 1741, CheekyTeeky wrote:You'd get it if you were constantly bitched at by obnoxious people.
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Oh yeah. I totally get it. *hugs*In post 1749, CheekyTeeky wrote:Don't mind me I'm just moodily pregnant lol. I'll take a break for a bit.
I need to get some work done right now, so I can't go back and read all the pages in this thread right now. If someone is bullying you, they're probably scum. If they're just fucking around with you to sort you, that's one thing, but aggression comes from people who are scared and are lashing out.
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Okay, thank you. Sorry I missed that post, because I did refer to you as a "they."In post 1779, nomnomnom wrote:
1210In post 1778, MaryJoLisa wrote:@Nomnomnom, what are your pronouns? I asked you earlier but I don't think you answered. Some people call you he and others she.The Oxford comma is only technically optional.-
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