Micro 877: Liars and Millers

[AzoriusSenate]

I'm here. And also I'm not a miller.

[AzoriusSenate]

Is there a town coalition forming already? I'd like to be admitted to that if at all possible. I'll spend some time analyzing the first couple of posts but I don't think they mean much generally.

[AzoriusSenate]

Ur scum too

Ircher and duck for scum

2/2 page 2 solve quote me later at game end

Out of 3?? Did godfather claim miller like an idiot?

So far I'm liking Saudade for town and probably won't want to lynch them today.

[AzoriusSenate]

Ur scum too

Ircher and duck for scum

2/2 page 2 solve quote me later at game end

Out of 3?? Did godfather claim miller like an idiot?

So far I'm liking Saudade for town and probably won't want to lynch them today.

is this mostly tonal or are you seeing something deeper than I am?

It's a tone read. They seem confident.

[AzoriusSenate]

Ur scum too

Ircher and duck for scum

2/2 page 2 solve quote me later at game end

Out of 3?? Did godfather claim miller like an idiot?

So far I'm liking Saudade for town and probably won't want to lynch them today.

is this mostly tonal or are you seeing something deeper than I am?

It's a tone read. They seem confident.

I don't see how confidence makes one town. If anything, it makes one scum.

Confidence makes one town because it shows that you're willing to put your voice out there and give reads.

[AzoriusSenate]

I feel like Saudade would put on a confident tone as either alignment just to advance the game and keep the thread spicy like regardless of the benefit of it so I'd rather we don't focus on his tonality too much ):

You know, I'm not going to back down from my read. I appreciate you providing a different perspective on it, however. I have marked you leaning town for that.

[AzoriusSenate]

Cheeky, Oka, Pine, tw, nsg, saudade, ircher, some rando

Man I Love Looking ovER this playerlist

Very Thanks

Can I just say: being referred to as "some rando" doesn't feel very welcoming...

[AzoriusSenate]

hardclaim miller. on phone and haven't actually read very closely but i'm pretty sure this confs one scum in miller claims

Oh but I'm miller can we not lynch me?

Asking not to be lynched without any pressure feels scummy to me. Whereas northsidegal is just null so far, they haven't really given enough content for me to figure anything out yet.

[AzoriusSenate]

sorry !!! i just haven't played with you before as opposed to everyone else here

That's a safe response but respectable.

On an unrelated note: VOTE: northsidegal

[AzoriusSenate]

I don't understand that cop claim at all

[AzoriusSenate]

I really dislike CheekyTeeky at the moment for doing that, seems like a role fishing attempt on d1...

[AzoriusSenate]

{tw, skyg, sausage, nsg,

cheeky

} = millers
{pine, ircher, oka, cheeky} = nonmillers

{senate}



senate hardclaim, cheeky's more detailed explanation later

Senate you need to claim bruv.

I already claimed not a miller with my first post btw.

[AzoriusSenate]

I really dislike CheekyTeeky at the moment for doing that, seems like a role fishing attempt on d1...

What's the problem with it?

The main issue I have is I generally avoid talking about town power roles until we are hardclaiming. I find it hard to believe someone would hardclaim cop on d1 without any protection roles.

[AzoriusSenate]

I need more activity from pine before I join any wagons on a nonmiller.

[AzoriusSenate]

but OkaPoka has >rand chance of scum and cop claimed anyway, so does it matter?

I like to think of my vote as a powerful weapon and only use it when I want something. Right now my vote on OkaPoka wouldn't get me what I want, which is more reads from northsidegal.

[AzoriusSenate]

but OkaPoka has >rand chance of scum and cop claimed anyway, so does it matter?

I like to think of my vote as a powerful weapon and only use it when I want something. Right now my vote on OkaPoka wouldn't get me what I want, which is more reads from northsidegal.

that's interesting to me. why me in particular? what about pine?

on the subject of lynching millers vs vts given cheeky's claim, given the chance that she's doing the MU thing where you fakeclaim cop as cover i think it still makes sense to lynch in the millers.

not explaining my nsg read is intentional and tactful tho

(just so you know, if you're trying something where you wait to see if i question you for giving me an easy townread, mathdino tried that one and it didn't work. i guess i'm interested in your reasoning but i usually don't think townreads on me are unwarranted because i usually feel like i've towntold.)

I'm not really interested in Pine because they are in the non-miller list.

To answer your question Cheeky, you've shifted out of the miller pool as well so I'm not really interested in analyzing you posts. You have leaned scum for me so far but I wanted to shift to pressuring a miller claim.

After getting caught up on Skygazer's posts I'd be fine lynching them. NSG is still difficult for me to read as she hasn't taken a super hard stance on the game like the rest of the miller list, still have NSG marked null.

UNVOTE: NSG

VOTE: Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

IMO the worst and Saudade are playing strong games today and I'd be hard pressed to flip to them.

[AzoriusSenate]

its 1am; im sorry im trying not to spend every waking moment as a reminder that im being universally scumread lol

if tw is scum i have no idea what his angle is here :c

Idk just kind of feels like Skygazer is rolling over here. If NSG wants to try and defend Skygazer and suggest a lynch in the two power players so far in the miller list (tw and saud) I would be willing to read the posts but to restate I feel alright lynching Skygazer now.

[AzoriusSenate]

hardclaim miller. on phone and haven't actually read very closely but i'm pretty sure this confs one scum in miller claims

Oh but I'm miller can we not lynch me?

Asking not to be lynched without any pressure feels scummy to me. Whereas northsidegal is just null so far, they haven't really given enough content for me to figure anything out yet.

sorry !!! i just haven't played with you before as opposed to everyone else here

That's a safe response but respectable.

On an unrelated note: VOTE: northsidegal

Azo what happened between these posts?

Yeah replied to this up above, just forgot to quote. Let me know if I answered your question fully

[AzoriusSenate]

We lynch in group 1 (millers) until we hit scum. Sky > NSG > TW. Then we find scum in group two which should be easier after a scumflip. Pretty much autowin if after I eat N1 NK you all VCA once you've nailed one.

A agree with this lynch list btw

[AzoriusSenate]

Ur scum too

Ircher and duck for scum

2/2 page 2 solve quote me later at game end

Out of 3?? Did godfather claim miller like an idiot?

So far I'm liking Saudade for town and probably won't want to lynch them today.

pretty empty unexplained post and i don't see how he could reach that read tbh, feels like tmi

sorry !!! i just haven't played with you before as opposed to everyone else here

That's a safe response but respectable.

On an unrelated note: VOTE: northsidegal

this vote feels safe and it doesn't seem like at this point he's really actually doing anything with the pressure

I don't understand that cop claim at all

I really dislike CheekyTeeky at the moment for doing that, seems like a role fishing attempt on d1...

weird flex but i kind of get town pings for pushing a claimed cop lol

I'm not really interested in Pine because they are in the non-miller list.

To answer your question Cheeky, you've shifted out of the miller pool as well so I'm not really interested in analyzing you posts. You have leaned scum for me so far but I wanted to shift to pressuring a miller claim.

After getting caught up on Skygazer's posts I'd be fine lynching them. NSG is still difficult for me to read as she hasn't taken a super hard stance on the game like the rest of the miller list, still have NSG marked null.

UNVOTE: NSG

VOTE: Skygazer

bad push, unexplained vote, feels like an easy hop-on

I'd suggest pushing on Saudade or the worst. Also self voting here is a bit much, like is that supposed to make me feel bad for voting you?

[AzoriusSenate]

They are the others in the miller list..... and no one has thrown really any meaningful pressure their way. You're not really adding anything new to the thread by saying "lynch me and NSG" because that's essentially what we've already concluded. If I were you I would be fighting saudade directly as he seems to be the one who suspects you the most.

[AzoriusSenate]

Then again no one wants to challenge Saudade or TW today, including myself, so it's really just a catch 22 for you. You've gotta do something other than concede your lynch though, you're just not helping us gamesolve enough.

[AzoriusSenate]

I don't really see any scum motivation in Ircher's posts other than the fact that if Oka is town then he's a pretty easy vote to get away with here. I don't think anything really else sticks out to me, he seems like he's genuinely trying to gamesolve even if his solve is incorrect :c plus the people I'm townreading know him better and are townreading him and nsg is pushing him in a way that doesn't rlly feel like a bus ?? like it'd probs be suboptimal to bus when ircher is being TR'd pretty heavily by other folks

Maybe you could explain your nonmiller list a bit more and why ircher is at the top.

[AzoriusSenate]

Hmm nsg/senate actually makes a lot of sense

How so? We're both in the miller list. I don't think we can both be scum at the same time just based on simple logic.

[AzoriusSenate]

Hmm nsg/senate actually makes a lot of sense

How so? We're both in the miller list. I don't think we can both be scum at the same time just based on simple logic.

Brain fart, I'm definitely not a miller. But I'd still like to understand why you think I'd be with NSG.

[AzoriusSenate]

but OkaPoka has >rand chance of scum and cop claimed anyway, so does it matter?

I like to think of my vote as a powerful weapon and only use it when I want something. Right now my vote on OkaPoka wouldn't get me what I want, which is more reads from northsidegal.

that's interesting to me. why me in particular? what about pine?

on the subject of lynching millers vs vts given cheeky's claim, given the chance that she's doing the MU thing where you fakeclaim cop as cover i think it still makes sense to lynch in the millers.

not explaining my nsg read is intentional and tactful tho

(just so you know, if you're trying something where you wait to see if i question you for giving me an easy townread, mathdino tried that one and it didn't work. i guess i'm interested in your reasoning but i usually don't think townreads on me are unwarranted because i usually feel like i've towntold.)

as far as i can see this is like the only interaction nsg has had with azor and i don't see any reads on him from her

I think looking for partner interactions today is a pretty weak read. I'd prefer if you attacked the way I'm playing the game, not who I am talking to.

[AzoriusSenate]

What are you drinking tonight? @Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

Yeah I'm pretty sure TW did the hammering there as Saud wasn't even voting anymore. LOL

[AzoriusSenate]

i had a few shots of fireball

I feel like we screwed up, no mafia would ever drink fireball. Scum are generally vodka types.

[AzoriusSenate]

This is next level

[AzoriusSenate]

W A G O N R E S C I N D E D

UNVOTE: Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

Saudade I'm lynching even though I think she's town.

Let's not lynch people we think are town.

[AzoriusSenate]

Saudade I'm lynching even though I think she's town.

and in English?

I'm pretty sure Cheeky is townreading Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

actually

azor's vote/unvote feels super scummy bc they're around but were probs hoping for saudade to lolhammer and they conveniently didn't unvote until that possibility had passed

I'm reconsidering your alignment because of the events that just happened

[AzoriusSenate]

like they were clearly around and posted after the VC but didn't unvote until after cheeky unvoted and i wasnt in danger of being immediately mislynched

thats rlly scummy

pedit: oka has equity too there just the timing of the azor vote stuck out to me

I can see how that looks scummy from your perspective.

[AzoriusSenate]

lmfao you actually hammered me

tw wtf i was reaction testing you

These posts feel townie to me and I am actually considering Saudade's alignment now that they aren't deathtunneling Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

Uh what's going on?

IDK what's going on with you? I'm soul reading this game at the moment, I think if I get too caught up in finding a logical fallacy in a drunk person's logic then I'm completely failing my job as town.

[AzoriusSenate]

Azor how do you forget you're not a miller?

Good question. Best answer I can give you is that I have been so caught up in the sorting of players into different categories I forgot which one I was in, in relation to NSG.

[AzoriusSenate]

lmfao you actually hammered me

tw wtf i was reaction testing you

These posts feel townie to me and I am actually considering Saudade's alignment now that they aren't deathtunneling Skygazer

I scumread the person who did not hammer my scumread who I now townread so I scumread the person who did not hammer my townread

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When did I say I scumread you?

[AzoriusSenate]

Uh what's going on?

IDK what's going on with you? I'm soul reading this game at the moment, I think if I get too caught up in finding a logical fallacy in a drunk person's logic then I'm completely failing my job as town.

I don't even know what this means.

Any way I could clarify for you? I thought that Skygazer's reaction to being *hammered* seemed genuine and unforced, but there's no real logic that I'm applying to that read.

[AzoriusSenate]

Azor how do you forget you're not a miller?

Good question. Best answer I can give you is that I have been so caught up in the sorting of players into different categories I forgot which one I was in, in relation to NSG.

It's easier to think you're the godfather who forgot what category they should go into.

You should know that mafia is never an easy game...

[AzoriusSenate]

You could also say I care so little about which category I fit into because I'm TOWN. Town shouldn't really care about which category they are in, whereas scum would be HYPER interested in appearing town.

[AzoriusSenate]

So there's some sick logic for you

[AzoriusSenate]

i wish northside was here

Honestly you have posted so much this first day, I wish anyone else was here atm.

[AzoriusSenate]

so you dont scumread the person who didnt hammer your scumread who you now townread?

I don't scumread you right now, no. I'm considering/have considered/will continue to consider why you would choose to back off of the wagon you had formed and were pushing so aggressively. Is it because you're scum and you want to pretend to analyze someone else's alignment? Is it because you're town and reconsidering your own reads? Probably the second one.

[AzoriusSenate]

I wish skitter30 was here to carry me so I wouldnt have to post this much

I will say this: if we DO lynch Skygazer today, I think it's immense towncredit for Saudade if they flip town, regardless of Saudade's actual alignment.

[AzoriusSenate]

Because to us it appears Saudade was the one to NOT hammer a town at first chance.

[AzoriusSenate]

Because to us it appears Saudade was the one to NOT hammer a town at first chance.

Assuming that Skygazer flips town in this scenario.

[AzoriusSenate]

but then it said mafia goon

did no one laugh at this
i swear i made myself laugh

I don't find claiming mafia very funny in general, this is a very srs game.

[AzoriusSenate]

Azorious are you feeling nervous you are talking a lot of funny stuff

I'm chillax.

[AzoriusSenate]

but then it said mafia goon

did no one laugh at this
i swear i made myself laugh

I don't find claiming mafia very funny in general, this is a very srs game.

You idiot. Simpleton. Low-IQ cockroach. How dare you not get my joke? I have spent years, decades, studying comedic theory to master the craft of making people laugh. You have insulted me and brought dishonor to my bloodline. My career is now in shambles because of you. You have ruined me. My days of being an internet funny man are no more. I can no longer sustain my family. This calls for a punishment of the highest degree. Since you have shamed me in front of the masses, I shall do the same to you. And all I need to do is utter three simple syllables. R. Slash. Woosh. Good luck recovering from that.

This one made me smile

[AzoriusSenate]

Or are you, as well, going to scumread me for not hammering your scumread who you now townread?

I would have preferred a NSG wagon over a Skygazer wagon. I sheeped. Guess I deserve this chastisement from Saudade now.

[AzoriusSenate]

Uh what's going on?

IDK what's going on with you? I'm soul reading this game at the moment, I think if I get too caught up in finding a logical fallacy in a drunk person's logic then I'm completely failing my job as town.

I don't even know what this means.

Any way I could clarify for you? I thought that Skygazer's reaction to being *hammered* seemed genuine and unforced, but there's no real logic that I'm applying to that read.

Basically this.

[AzoriusSenate]

i feel like that post isnt as pingy but his ones when he thought he hammered were ??

am also concerned bc faking an accidental scumhammer is such a scum tw move but idk if he was trolling or knew i wasnt hammered yet or what :c

the worst, what do you think about this post

[AzoriusSenate]

Look you can't wolfy poppins a derp hammer and keep pushing the same suboptimal play TW.

Lynching outside millers D1 is absolutely ABSYSMAL, for REAL

[AzoriusSenate]

Article 350,000 which I didn't realise was lost on everyone but me: skygazer and okapoka can't talk about each other

Oka's vote on her makes equal sense as mislynch/distancing but his read trajectory on her and refusal to actually push for her lynch is kinda ???

I've also asked them both explicitly to talk about each other. Oka's posting about Skyg was hilariously frozen and Skyg ignored that part of my request altogether to focus on other stuff then never circled back to it

bruuh its hidden away in some spoiler somewhere i think cause it was long

You're back!

[AzoriusSenate]

i am a proud insomniac

wait thats not a good thing

How do we not lynch you right now and hammer scum, go.

[AzoriusSenate]

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I'm fucking scared dude

[AzoriusSenate]

trust in the king

Ok I promise not to change my read on you if this flips town. VOTE: Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

TRUST IN THE KING BABY

[AzoriusSenate]

its been ~24 hours and its a weekend and i did a family gathering today thing and i only just showed up to drunk post it feels a lil bad faithy to say im not reevaluating considering that and considering i only just remembered it :c

Your sad face at the end of yours posts makes me feel bad about voting you, I hope you're happy

[AzoriusSenate]

Do you build your reads on top of paper that you are so easily discouraged

Ride or die. You've pocketed me to the maximum level.

[AzoriusSenate]

Jesus Christ

[AzoriusSenate]

You actually did towntell towards the end but I trusted in the king

[AzoriusSenate]

You actually did towntell towards the end but I trusted in the king

HOW ARE YOU TOWNREADING THIS TW

I'm just that good

[AzoriusSenate]

i had a few shots of fireball

I feel like we screwed up, no mafia would ever drink fireball. Scum are generally vodka types.

W A G O N R E S C I N D E D

UNVOTE: Skygazer

Saudade I'm lynching even though I think she's town.

Let's not lynch people we think are town.

Saudade I'm lynching even though I think she's town.

and in English?

I'm pretty sure Cheeky is townreading Skygazer

actually

azor's vote/unvote feels super scummy bc they're around but were probs hoping for saudade to lolhammer and they conveniently didn't unvote until that possibility had passed

I'm reconsidering your alignment because of the events that just happened

like they were clearly around and posted after the VC but didn't unvote until after cheeky unvoted and i wasnt in danger of being immediately mislynched

thats rlly scummy

pedit: oka has equity too there just the timing of the azor vote stuck out to me

I can see how that looks scummy from your perspective.

lmfao you actually hammered me

tw wtf i was reaction testing you

These posts feel townie to me and I am actually considering Saudade's alignment now that they aren't deathtunneling Skygazer

Uh what's going on?

IDK what's going on with you? I'm soul reading this game at the moment, I think if I get too caught up in finding a logical fallacy in a drunk person's logic then I'm completely failing my job as town.

Uh what's going on?

IDK what's going on with you? I'm soul reading this game at the moment, I think if I get too caught up in finding a logical fallacy in a drunk person's logic then I'm completely failing my job as town.

I don't even know what this means.

Any way I could clarify for you? I thought that Skygazer's reaction to being *hammered* seemed genuine and unforced, but there's no real logic that I'm applying to that read.

so you dont scumread the person who didnt hammer your scumread who you now townread?

I don't scumread you right now, no. I'm considering/have considered/will continue to consider why you would choose to back off of the wagon you had formed and were pushing so aggressively. Is it because you're scum and you want to pretend to analyze someone else's alignment? Is it because you're town and reconsidering your own reads? Probably the second one.

[AzoriusSenate]

Im pretty sure I was the main one defending Skygazer there.

[AzoriusSenate]

i feel like that post isnt as pingy but his ones when he thought he hammered were ??

am also concerned bc faking an accidental scumhammer is such a scum tw move but idk if he was trolling or knew i wasnt hammered yet or what :c

the worst, what do you think about this post

Article 350,000 which I didn't realise was lost on everyone but me: skygazer and okapoka can't talk about each other

Oka's vote on her makes equal sense as mislynch/distancing but his read trajectory on her and refusal to actually push for her lynch is kinda ???

I've also asked them both explicitly to talk about each other. Oka's posting about Skyg was hilariously frozen and Skyg ignored that part of my request altogether to focus on other stuff then never circled back to it

bruuh its hidden away in some spoiler somewhere i think cause it was long

You're back!

i am a proud insomniac

wait thats not a good thing

How do we not lynch you right now and hammer scum, go.

[AzoriusSenate]

I've quoted more of me trying to shift it away from Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

Like I said, I trusted in the king

[AzoriusSenate]

No regrets

[AzoriusSenate]

Senate if town also apparently gamethrows because he thinks it's funny so :shrug:

Will also lynch oka

Explain how I'm gamethrowing compared to Saudade

[AzoriusSenate]

Skygazer join me on Senate, please.
There comes a point where I don't expressly townread someone's slot but if I'm in a world where they're scum i feel really uncomfortable and I'm there.

Not even a meme, I townread Saud more than Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

It's not a 1v1 between sausage and skygazer. vote scum.

My lynch pool is:

YOU

NSG

Saud

Sky.

You've told me you DO NOT want to lynch:

YOURSELF

NSG

SAUD.

Therefore,

my vote is optimal.
Goodbye.

[AzoriusSenate]

It's not a 1v1 between sausage and skygazer. vote scum.

My lynch pool is:

YOU

NSG

Saud

Sky.

You've told me you DO NOT want to lynch:

YOURSELF

NSG

SAUD.

Therefore,

my vote is optimal.
Goodbye.

Hold on hold on
you need reads in your own pool

TOP TO BOTTOM -- TOWN TO SCUM

me
Saudade
Cheeky
the worst
Skygazer

ircher/Oka


non-players:
Pine

[AzoriusSenate]

Skyg is probably just town which means either
scum!nsg - not going to be hard to read or difficult to lynch given she's busy irl at the moment.
scum!sausage - very annoying to solve and if this is the case having the best town player onsite around being town is massive +ev

nonmillers: {cheekyteeky, ircher} are always town. Pine is whatever
Oka is kinda scummy but Senate just claimed scum

I know which pool I'd rather have scum shooting into.

You having ircher as locked town boggles my mind

[AzoriusSenate]

It's not a 1v1 between sausage and skygazer. vote scum.

My lynch pool is:

YOU

NSG

Saud

Sky.

You've told me you DO NOT want to lynch:

YOURSELF

NSG

SAUD.

Therefore,

my vote is optimal.
Goodbye.

Hold on hold on
you need reads in your own pool

TOP TO BOTTOM -- TOWN TO SCUM

me
Saudade
Cheeky
the worst
Skygazer

ircher/Oka


non-players:
Pine

NSG is in the non-players queue if im being honest

[AzoriusSenate]

I'll reconsider tmrw but I feel empowered enough to vote my main scumread :shrug:

We can lynch OKA tomorrow, why is that not ok with you?

[AzoriusSenate]

idk ive been going into tilt-unenjoyable mode *every* time i get scum read lately and it makes it v hard for me to focus w you and saudade shouting im a wolf

i genuinely dont know what skygazer-things means, like,,, i feel like ur expecting me to hit some magic switch and town it up and i dont know how to do that

This greatly describes your play

[AzoriusSenate]

Like I'm ISO'ing Skygazer TRYING TO TOWNREAD THEM. And I get to this post....

like wtf how am I supposed to analyze this post

[AzoriusSenate]

I'm giving up for the night, leaving my vote as is

[AzoriusSenate]

I'm giving up for the night, leaving my vote as is

keeping in mind that you previously townread her I'm kinda a bit confused how you've gone from that and derailing her wagon to struggling to townread her ISO?

I townread her reaction to being *hammered*. It was a slight town ping and I tried to engage a bit to get more town pings. I jumped back on the wagon because I wasn't satisfied and I am townreading Saudade, so why not. Now I ISO'd her a bit and I'm still not satisfied. So here I am, unsatisfied about Skygazer's alignment. The vote is staying.

[AzoriusSenate]

I'm giving up for the night, leaving my vote as is

keeping in mind that you previously townread her I'm kinda a bit confused how you've gone from that and derailing her wagon to struggling to townread her ISO?

I townread her reaction to being *hammered*. It was a slight town ping and I tried to engage a bit to get more town pings. I jumped back on the wagon because I wasn't satisfied and I am townreading Saudade, so why not. Now I ISO'd her a bit and I'm still not satisfied. So here I am, unsatisfied about Skygazer's alignment. The vote is staying.

Why were you trying to get a wagon going elsewhere?

Getting the wagon off of Skygazer would shift the dynamic of the game enough to get fresh reads... right now I'm banging my head against my keyboard because we've been locked in this death tunnel and no one is participating in the non-miller pool.

[AzoriusSenate]

probably pine maybe senate

Your lynch list is awful

[AzoriusSenate]

Ding ding. Why aren't you prepared to lynch into the non miller pool?

Because the COP is in the NON MILLER POOL and the MAFIA will NOT KILL THE MILLERS.

It's very simple logic.

[AzoriusSenate]

I wish skitter30 was here to carry me so I wouldnt have to post this much

I will say this: if we DO lynch Skygazer today, I think it's immense towncredit for Saudade if they flip town, regardless of Saudade's actual alignment.

No. Why?

Saudade had the chance to hammer Skygazer and didn't.

[AzoriusSenate]

Skygazer has actually self voted twice this game. It's extremely disgusting...

[AzoriusSenate]

I have no read on Pine, no read on Oka, and barely any read on ircher. Ircher is being townread in our list, I'm being scumread, Oka is being scumread, Pine is being AFK.

Meanwhile you have the miller list with Saud (locked town), the worst (??? , strong heel turn in gameplay compared to the start of the day), NSG (???) and Skygazer (self voted twice, basically gave up on this game)

FMPOV lynching in millers is optimal and my reads are pointing me in that direction.

[AzoriusSenate]

If we're not lynching Skygazer today then I want to lynch the worst or NSG.

[AzoriusSenate]

Town:
me
Saud
Cheeky

Leaning town:
ircher

Null:
Oka
NSG
Pine

Scum:
Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

Senate pretend the pools don't exist and just give me a tiered read list for the full plist please?

You're probably leaning town too

[AzoriusSenate]

I'm still stuck in a feedback loop re skygazer btw and I think I need nsg's comments when she's back itt I'm really sorey

but swinging back I see why you're devout wrt lynching in the millers. but I'm assuming you feel more strongly about the {you,cheeky,ircher} core than you do about the {tw,saud} core (just via you leaving me out originally, tonal thing). Do you think it's better to expose nonmillers to nightkills?

The thing is, we can be sure that scum are only going to be killing in nonmillers, to hit COP. I don't think we have any control over that.

[AzoriusSenate]

Azo lynch Oka don't bother trying to reason someone might call you unpleasant.

oof

[AzoriusSenate]

fine, I'm not going to stand in the way of a wagon at this point

UNVOTE: Skygazer

VOTE: OkaPoka

[AzoriusSenate]

Are we L-1 now? I didn't actually check before I voted there

[AzoriusSenate]

That might have been the hammer actually...

[AzoriusSenate]

VOTE: OkaPoka

tw/me/ircher/azor/cheeky

Yeah that's a lynch.

Sorry king

[AzoriusSenate]

if oka flips town its obviously azor w like an outside chance of pine ig

I can't believe we didn't lynch you tbh

[AzoriusSenate]

hahaha that was one of my ddu talking points

look

skygazer is going to be lynched no matter what today, its a matter of procedure at this point

Irony

[AzoriusSenate]

Mod is driving right now but I definitely hammered you

[AzoriusSenate]

Sane question to Iconeum and Saudade when they notice the day has started.

I'd like to ask that these two tackle my questions at them as a priority if that's ok

Iconeum - fullclaim in first post
sausage - respond to my questions at the top of this page

the worst setting the tempo of the day very early to scumhunting. I like that.

Here are my updated reads:

obviously everyone in the nonmillers list is now confirmed town, including me. Delicious!

So that leaves us with:

Iconeum (lol good luck dude, you're probably going to get scumread by everyone in the thread)
Saudade (honestly still very town for me)
the worst(I'm reading this guy increasingly town for reasons stated above and more)
Skygazer(I'm willing to reassess their alignment today tbh but I still think they lean scummy )

[AzoriusSenate]

Also I want everyone to know I audibly cheered in my room after reading that the flip was Godfather

[AzoriusSenate]

save me someone this guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

TRUST IN THE KING

[AzoriusSenate]

I had hammer on Skygazer ico
and I didnt hammer
thats all you need to know

We can confirm this in thread but I'm fairly certain he DID have hammer on Skygazer at some point yesterday

[AzoriusSenate]

I've had a very good townblock in my mind the entire game, you havent read but when
TW and Cheeky wanted to lynch Azorious for his "scumslip" I said nu uh hes town

Bruh Saudade is the townblock this game. Saudade and the worst bouncing off of eachother has been THE TOWN BLOC.

[AzoriusSenate]

CheekyTeeky COP
AzoriusSenate NOT MILLER
Ircher NOT MILLER

Saudade MILLER
Iconeum MILLER
the worst MILLER
Skygazer MILLER

Scum in Saud/Sky/Azorius (in order)

You scumreading me is actually tilting me an EXPONENTIAL AMOUNT.

[AzoriusSenate]

And like I said earlier, I'm very worried Azorius is gonna coast this because it claimed not miller

You keep wasting posts on me when you should be casing the worst and skygazer.

[AzoriusSenate]

like, oka is oka and probs spammed the scum thread w mechanical stuff

i feel like faking mechanical stupidity after claiming having read through the game isn't in his scum range or in most people's scum ranges,, like theres a huge contradiction between having read the game and misunderstanding the basic principle of the setup and why would scum dumbtell like that so blatantly

*reads start of post*
*posts*
*reads middle of post*
*reads start of post again*
*reads end of post*
*reads post again twice*

I actually like that post from sky, feels stream of consciousness in my opinion

[AzoriusSenate]

Anyone wanna take me up on that spicy spicy reread offer? It'll be fun* I promise**

I reread that long post even though I'm a sack of lazy bones. Your insight is good +town

[AzoriusSenate]

I had hammer on Skygazer ico
and I didnt hammer
thats all you need to know

Azorius, do you have any qualms with a Skygazer lynch?

No

[AzoriusSenate]

I've already said the words ride or die, it's mechanical for me at this point

[AzoriusSenate]

a lylo of me against duck would certainly be, wild

Honestly I want it. And I want to be there with you in lylo.

[AzoriusSenate]

I had hammer on Skygazer ico
and I didnt hammer
thats all you need to know

Just double-checking.

Yeah like here's the thing:

Skygazer has increasingly been more comfortable in the game as it has progressed and for some reason Skygazer feels more CONFIDENT now that the Godfather has been lynched. This pings me in really fucking good way but I can't be sure that's it not just my own confidence in the game spilling into my reads. Basically now that I'm confirmed town I don't trust my reads anymore. It blows. But yes, I am still firmly planted in Saudade's pocket.

[AzoriusSenate]

Idk why I keep quoting that Saudade post, I'm not trying to I swear

[AzoriusSenate]

I had hammer on Skygazer ico
and I didnt hammer
thats all you need to know

One of the worst and Saudade cannot make it to 3p lylo. That would be just too bad of an experience. And let's not lose when we have a 75% chance of winning.

It kind of made me sick thinking of 1v1ing Sausage in 3p as well and then I remembered: we're not getting to 3p. It made me uncomfortable because this is a towngame from both of us.

The moment you lynch (for example) Sky => Sausage => 3p lylo of tw/ico you're looking at me the big bad busser pushing on lynchbait. It functionally becomes harder to lynch slots with scum equity, and scum will have left the weakest/most incorrect/easiest to manipulate townie alive.

If we can lynch both high scum equity slots and I lose to scum!saudade playing like an even-better-than-usual scumgame I guess I'll take that.

You're also getting pinged my some like.. really surface level posts man.. think about my motive in making them; I'm aware of how optically poor they are. They just cut out conversations I'm not interested in having because they don't sort {sky,ico,saud}

100% agree with this post..... We're not lynching someone because they could be playing a spectacular scum game. I don't like fear lynching people, I like rewarding good play

[AzoriusSenate]

I actually have no idea why I am quoting the Saudade quote multiple times, I think I am just multi quoting it and it's stuck in my list or some shit

[AzoriusSenate]

I'll wait for more discourse before I plant my big fat vote on anyone

[AzoriusSenate]

Ok. Please lynch Ico tomorrow.

VOTE: Skygazer

Choo choo

VOTE: Skygazer

[AzoriusSenate]

TRUST IN THE FUCKING KING BABY

[AzoriusSenate]

FUCK YEAH

[AzoriusSenate]

I AtE as town too if it pushes my wincon :c

but usually my AtE is unintentional from tilt :p

Your play became progressively stronger once it was clear we weren't going to straight up wagon you.

[AzoriusSenate]

#EatTheMods