Micro 880: A Normal Game - Game Over!

[OkaPoka]

I don't know how to read dunn

I have some things in play for my dunn read and i want to see his next post to place him towards one alignment or the other

as for kop, i literally want him to take like one stance and go with it

[OkaPoka]

sleepless would also be in that pile if he wasnt be a very useful slot in voting lich with me

[OkaPoka]

im glad you and skitter continue to merge into one consciousness

[OkaPoka]

so i can be town for giving reads and cases?

[OkaPoka]

why did you bring up the town pr point again lol

im scumreading you for your reads, your votes just happen to make it very easy to see the contradiction

[OkaPoka]

he fking admits the contradiction when i literally lay out the cards in front of him

he doesnt back down until he has to

again, i'm saying that i think that the way he backed down was townie

you really think that scum have any other choice but to back down there? i mean reread the interaction and look at where he chooses to backdown, its when i PEAK BABY I PEAK

he had outs earlier, takes me to explicitly lay it all out in one post for him

[OkaPoka]

hurr durr okapoka u cant cherry pick ur own townie posts hurr durr

okapoka ur a scumbutt and here's why

these posts literally happen like 5 posts before

he is like oh yeah oops

after i make my post of how it literally cannot make sense for him to have these thoughts and actions

ok

why exactly do you find this to be problematic

because it invalidates your backing out is townie point

he has to back out there

he had no intention beforehand

but i caught him red handed and he isn't going to double down now that its explicit

[OkaPoka]

skitter if ur town please reread my iso and lich's iso

i just reread lich's

it's a town iso

no u didnt

[OkaPoka]

he fking admits the contradiction when i literally lay out the cards in front of him

he doesnt back down until he has to

again, i'm saying that i think that the way he backed down was townie

you really think that scum have any other choice but to back down there? i mean reread the interaction and look at where he chooses to backdown, its when i PEAK BABY I PEAK

he had outs earlier, takes me to explicitly lay it all out in one post for him

why didn't scum!him take the earlier outs then

why would you back out when im at l1

[OkaPoka]

skitter are you doing a creature style catchup where you respond as you see the posts/

[OkaPoka]

hurr durr okapoka u cant cherry pick ur own townie posts hurr durr

okapoka ur a scumbutt and here's why

these posts literally happen like 5 posts before

he is like oh yeah oops

after i make my post of how it literally cannot make sense for him to have these thoughts and actions

ok

why exactly do you find this to be problematic

because it invalidates your backing out is townie point

he has to back out there

he had no intention beforehand

but i caught him red handed and he isn't going to double down now that its explicit

i don't get your point

yes you do

once i catch him blatantly contradicting and fucking up his reads he cant say no i didnt

[OkaPoka]

well skitter i doubt it takes you one minute to read temp's iso

[OkaPoka]

Im looking at the timestamps of your posts

lol

[OkaPoka]

i was thinking skimmed but i want her to read temp's iso

[OkaPoka]

ree not a true creature catchup

anyways

vote temporal lich

[OkaPoka]

skitter vote lich

it's much easier this way

[OkaPoka]

skitter we can do this the rough way which is people wait until deadline to deadline lynch temporallich in which case you deprive town of possible information and actual reasonable wagon analysis

very anti town of you

[OkaPoka]

especially since we have two slots that are AWOL

and we have a fractured town

[OkaPoka]

skitter if im doing a compromise deadline lynch im lynching you

[OkaPoka]

I'll make that very clear right now.

[OkaPoka]

three days is no time when we have three slots that make one post every 24 hours

[OkaPoka]

I think you and tl are antialigned

tl is scum like most most most of the time here

the other viable lynches of

me - always town
dunn - gives no info
kop - gives no info

don't help town here

[OkaPoka]

skitter if im doing a compromise deadline lynch im lynching you

a) that's p dumb of you given that you think tl is scum
b) in this gamestate i *highly* doubt you can make that happen
c) on the off-chance you do, i'm going to make sure that everyone understands that you're next

dunn is voting you
firebringer has voted you
sleepless has expressed dislike on your slot

i get you to l1 and there is no viable counterwagon you die,

please work with me and vote temporal lich

you've sat on me this entire day and run me up to l1 twice

[OkaPoka]

skitter what's your solve

[OkaPoka]

and he swaps votes from me to firebringer in between here so we can probs assume our positions of scumminess are swapped

eh the readslist hting is actually a legimate point

what happened to this?

[OkaPoka]

alright skitter indulge me here

If I am town.

What is your solve then?

[OkaPoka]

basically the same minus you

oversoul probably loses the townread / goes down a tier

okay but what do you make of the fact that ive been run up to l1 twice in that case on a town me?

[OkaPoka]

because dunn/kop is not a compelling argument since that means they let town run me up to l1 twice and didnt hammer or even give intent when all eyes were on me and it was reasonable to for a hammer

[OkaPoka]

skitter you remember that game you modded where joey and kokichi fake claimed masons

[OkaPoka]

remember how ddl and i got into a bit of a showdown

he went ham on me for a bit

[OkaPoka]

meh

ill get to the point

Afaik your problem with my slot is that im fake and agenda-y.

I don't know how to deal with fakeness other than get better at charisma.
But for agenda, I push my scum teams hard when I am confident in them. This is not a valid reason to scumread me.

[OkaPoka]

And on the subject of wagon stalling.

Why is wagon stalling scum indicative of me?

[OkaPoka]

I don't want

"in a general sense blah blah blah"

I want specific scenarios that this wagon stall indicates scum me, like who is my buddy, what's the scum MO.

[OkaPoka]

Kop has been posturing to hammer me no?

Dunn with his skitter vote was at the time sentencing me to death.

[OkaPoka]

Read kop's iso and come back to me.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: Skitter30

I don't like their push

keep in mind this vote comes before i pull out my full case on temporal and its during kop's posture

[OkaPoka]

hi replacement dont lynch me im at l1

Talk to me about your read list, and explain them please. I seen your read list on page 13, and to be honest not reading the entire thread, it feels fake/forced.

not fake

only forced in the sense that some of the reads were less developed then i want them to be

i can do an updated readslist if u want or would u prefer me to talk to you in the context of that post

Didn't quite like that you put FB in the middle, then someone calls it, you move it a few posts later. Your mindset should really be made to where you want people than someone questioning it and your attempting to appease by moving that slot.

How many games have you played with Dunn? Why won't you case him?

not fake

only forced in the sense that some of the reads were less developed then i want them to be

i can do an updated readslist if u want or would u prefer me to talk to you in the context of that post

Didn't quite like that you put FB in the middle, then someone calls it, you move it a few posts later. Your mindset should really be made to where you want people than someone questioning it and your attempting to appease by moving that slot.

I'm confused - who do u think oka is appeasing there?

Page 13. He was talking to lich. Lich questioned his reads, then few posts later, Oka moved his read on firebringer up a tier.

Yes, but who is he appeasing? Fire or lich?

Appeasing lich, why else would he change a read after being questioned on it?

He's scumreading lich tho?

Why would hr be appeasing him - that's where i'm slightly confused

Lich is voting him, I am aiming at he could have been trying to get lich to remove his vote by trying to talk to him.

I'm not sure i really see that here honestly

It might just be my little mind doing silly things. I just felt that was somehow the case in my mind.

Kop explain to me in context how I was appeasing lich

It felt to me that you put out your reads, and lich questioned one of your reads, it felt to me that in order to try look like your actively reaching out, you moved firebringer up because it was mentioned. I just don't know whether you would have moved firebringer up if it hadn't been mentioned a few posts earlier.

It would have made more sense if you had moved him up a lot later than you did, or by interacting more with firebringer, but not as soon as it was mentioned by someone else for you to do it.

I'm probably thinking too much into it tbh, and seeing something that isn't actually there.

[OkaPoka]

his first post is literally the beginnings of a scumread albeit on loose ground (im at l1 at this point)

[OkaPoka]

but basically since its on loose ground he can't really strike anymore from there and he's gone awol so that's why he couldn't hammer

[OkaPoka]

now hear me out on this

lich is scum. this might be a double scum wagon, it might not be.

but if I am town and lich is scum, then it makes a whole lot more sense. no?

[OkaPoka]

Scum going for a risky hammer on me can result in incrimination of both the hammerer and lich.

[OkaPoka]

I can explain why my wagon stalling is me town with temp being scum.

Scenario A) Double scum on me. That means half the wagon is composed of false reads, makes decent sense since there is a core of townies who still townread me, just fractured.
Scenario B) One scum on me. This means scum going for the hammer will result in two scum on me for a hammer wagon, and like I explained wrt Kop and Dunn they might've been too intimidated to go for the hammer with the incrimination, especially if they feel they could get me hammered without as much incrimination.

[OkaPoka]

eh i could see that narrative

still feel like scum would have figured out how to hammer you given that you've been at l-1 for like half a week if you're town here tho

hammering is hard tho

can you think of how a dunn/kop scum could get a hammer on me reasonably without drawing huge red flags?

[OkaPoka]

and look if I am scum, scum choosing to hammer me isnt as hard

It'd be a necessary bus because you'd be following town opinion and they'd feel pressured to doing it to stay afloat, no?

Especially since I've come off a very rough scum game, I think if I were scum here I'd advise the bus.

[OkaPoka]

voting lich : )

[OkaPoka]

issue with skitter vote at the time was that skitter was being townread by most slots

dunn lets vote lich now tho

[OkaPoka]

cool analysis but if thats how lich thought about the game id townread him for it

And if thats how he thought about it he could've said that he pushed firebringer wagon to drive content, its a play I'd make.

But he didn't.

[OkaPoka]

By #389, just two posts later but with an intervening reread/re-evaluation, TemporalLich has calmed down somewhat and realised that the Firebringer scumread probably isn't as strong as he emotionally thought it was, but is "still leaving my vote on firebringer because honestly refusing to explain stuff is not good for the town." At this point, OkaPoka is probably TemporalLich's top scumread, but really that's not the sort of thing you want to admit in-thread regardless of alignment when you're trying to pressure someone else, and the reason for not moving the vote is entirely plausible coming from a player like TemporalLich. As a result, the vote change in #425 really isn't a surprise; OkaPoka has been TemporalLich's top scumread for a long time, the wagon's looking viable again, his scumread on Firebringer is dying down somewhat, why wouldn't he change back? The only real surprise there is that the change didn't happen earlier.

No he continues to double down on his strand of logic

umm but then by your admission firebringer explains his skitter sr? even if you think it comes from town more, its still his reasoning?

the thing is... 228 doesn't lead me to much reasons to reconsider my TR of skitter, and when firebringer is pushed to explain his skitter SR he just doesn't.

Which means he didn't reconsider anything. He should've reconsidered it reading that post of his and the words in between but the conclusion is the same when I pushed him.

+later on he doesn't say oh yeah for content, he stood by his readslist, so no. this is not for content. Like he could've said he is doing this for pressure and content any time when I was on him but he hasn't so I don't know why you are applying motivations to him.

And he admits that his scumread on firebringer isn't what was dying, its that I had been so scummy he bumped firebringer up to compensate so again, your applying false motivation to him that simply doesn't exist. Kind of a huge miss for you tbh. And its even a bigger surprise because he goes back and admits my posts in between the readslist and vote were townie so yeah.

???

[OkaPoka]

Something that's bothering me: most of the evidence OkaPoka is relying on for his current reasoning behind the TemporalLich scumread comes fairly early in the thread (with #425 apparently the latest relevant post; #592 was also mentioned but doesn't seem to contain any differing reads from #425), yet the reason that OkaPoka is currently relying on comes at #593/#596. OkaPoka doesn't seem to have seen that particular read reasoning as recently as #501…#503.

What a meme.

The core of my scumread on temporal lich is backwards rationalization and I've said it since like the beginning of the game. Its just we have more evidence of it now.

[OkaPoka]

So OkaPoka is seeing TemporalLich as having artificial reads for wanting to push players other than his previous largest scumread

Like this isn't my argument at all.

Its not because he wants to push player other than his previous largest scumread.

We can deduce some things from my interactions wrt Temporal.

He always votes his largest scumread, therefore if we look back to the thread we can see that his largest scumread shifts at the time don't make sense. That is the core problem.

[OkaPoka]

I really have no idea where your getting this idea that temporal lich pushes people for content thing though. It's out of left field.

We can literally see how temporal acts in a stagnate gamestate

someone should put dunn in the tent

why r u so confident in dunn being scum?

I've got no other SR's and the game is stagnating.

He's transparent in that his scumread is his vote.

And he sticks with it, wanting to get intent to hammer which I can only presume he wants a roleclaim from dunn asap? I mean thats content in one way.
BUT

content can be better derived by pushing another wagon no? And he doesn't start another wagon, no he waits for dunn wagon to DIE before doing other stuff. Tell me how a content motivated player waits for others to break stagnation makes sense.

[OkaPoka]

Like I fully agree that townies backward rationalize and can have weird read shifts but its way too coincidental at this point imo for this not to be scum motivated.

[OkaPoka]

CJF if you are so sure in town lich and town me for some reason

Go and scum case kop for me. Put the same effort you did into defending lich lol

[OkaPoka]

I agree its hard to have other scumreads, but its hard to have scumreads at all that early.

You can probably meta me and see my older games, I used to post huge mega walls but those are hard on the eyes so not anymore. Spamposting is basically my way of emphasizing myself to break it up and make my points more powerful.

I'm glad you have ditched the idea that temporal lich plays to create content though.

[OkaPoka]

What is your solve right now?

[OkaPoka]

Going to be home soon but I'm waiting on cfj to drop some semblance of a readslist

[OkaPoka]

Really I've lost track of most of the slots because you've been trying to make the game all about TemporalLich (and thus indirectly making it all about you). I'd like to evaluate more widely, but the heavy focus on one thing has effectively given town slots a reason and scum slots an excuse not to interact with anyone else, making town and scum behaviour more similar. (Dunnstral, for example, has been acting in a way I'd consider scummy in most gamestates but maybe not in this one; he's been posting only self-justification and information in the last 250 posts or so, but I can see that happening as town when the gamestate is overwhelming you.)

I'm not at the point in the game where I can attempt a full solve; there's too much missing information. (Really, it's hard to get anywhere in terms of full solves until you have a scumflip.)

For what its worth, though, I think that if you're scum, Sleepless Assassin is the most likely partner (#655 is possibly a scumslip, I vaguely remember having seen that exact slip before but can't remember where; the scumread on TemporalLich in #674 also seems a bit like an echo of you, although it's hard to be certain that that's the actual cause). Either way, he's probably unlikely to ever finish catching up at this point given the apparent work restrictions and the speed of the thread, and I haven't seen much to think he's scum other than associatives.

cfj i literally let town do whatever they wanted to do for more than 50% of the deadline and all we had to show for it was two attempts to run me up to l1 with the same exact people and people basically ignoring the non posters

at least with this interaction other slots are weighing in finally and you really should have zero excuse not to have a semblance of a solve. i dont care if you dislike the focus, none of your earlier posts contain anything resembling a solve other than oka is antitown lul. the person your voting is kop, who is scum with kop? is kop even scum? what are you trying to do ? you've lost track of your reads, read your iso and you even say that town should be fully transparent so i guess you should have some reads hidden in there? im giving you room right now to do something otherwise im doing it my way again.

[OkaPoka]

You've mentioned 2/3 possibilities of who could be scum, but I'm only seeing these as words since I don't see you pushing those avenues but rather sit on your vote on Oka and not move unless it's a vanity wagon, which at this stage it looks like it could be.

It wasnt a vanity wagon till like ... just now, so its at best inaccurate to characterize my vote this way

Dunn has done nothing this game and isnt engaging, not sure what you expect me to do there

And now i'm working on you, yay

you had all game to call out dunn for not doing anything

you could've put him in a readslist and marked him scum for doing so, but you didn't

shading him now is LOL

[OkaPoka]

voting lich : )

I didn't scumread lich and still don'tSleepless Assassin is a question mark for me, noting that they may be unlikely partners with Kop if the predeccesor was truly overwhelmed

As for Kop himself, I don't remember much about him as a player but I remember low posting being pretty typical. I think there's a fair chance he's scum just based on other slots being town.

"No info lynch" is a bad argument, next to "they're low hanging fruit so it's scummy to push them" - which I remember both were used so far.

The above is interesting, you are saying that you've read the thread multiple times? Are you moving towards a skitter vote?

The other question mark for me is Firebringer, no clue what alignment he is or how to divine said info at this time. OHe moved off Skitter after I moved on, and now Kop is posturing around Skitter

maybe ill vote skitter

[OkaPoka]

Kop's vote on skitter just solidifies a temp/kop team though

[OkaPoka]

because dunn/kop is not a compelling argument since that means they let town run me up to l1 twice and didnt hammer or even give intent when all eyes were on me and it was reasonable to for a hammer

eh i could see that narrative

still feel like scum would have figured out how to hammer you given that you've been at l-1 for like half a week if you're town here tho

hammering is hard tho

can you think of how a dunn/kop scum could get a hammer on me reasonably without drawing huge red flags?

@oka can you explain how these make sense together

In the first you're arguing against dunn/kop being scum becuase they didnt take the oppurtunity to hammer you

In the second yoh're saying that i shouldnt think it would have been easy for them to hammer you, so your wagon is not scum-indicative

in the first im arguing against me + dunn/kop

[OkaPoka]

Now put into words why 'you dont like this stuff'

It is pushing your agenda by saying things that aren't really true

Not sure why people pointed at Kop/me as if we were the only 2 who could have hammered Oka either.... What was everybody else doing?

VC think ok, I forgot Fire moved there. You were already on Oka though which had similar support. More importantly, I don't buy into the "why wouldn't I lynch him" argument to try to clear yourself

sleepless was afk/voting with me

firebringer townreads me

you/kop were unclear on me

[OkaPoka]

but I can see that happening as town when the gamestate is overwhelming you.

The only thing that overwhelms me are the warm, fuzzy feelings I get when some of the cast here makes a post. Boy, I love that everyone is so unique. By the way, why would the gamestate be overwhelming instead of underwhelming? It feels like a lot of people have been content to vote park for days on end

It depends on whether you measure activity in posts or votes.

The number of posts we've had has been very high, most of them not being particularly useful. That makes a catchup difficult because you have to read them all to see if there's anything important there, or else ignore them all and miss anything important that might be there.

this is a slow game tbh

but maybe im just a youngling

[OkaPoka]

Oversoul and cfj need to either move off their vote or start making a decent case.

If you don't three more days of me vs lich then I need to have some spice

[OkaPoka]

if you don't want

[OkaPoka]

the reason why i want a solve guess from you is because its the best way i know for certain you are actually scumhunting

there

and no i dont townread dunn

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: Kop

A red flip here should guarantee Lich scum.

[OkaPoka]

Town flip Kop, idk what we get from it.

CFJ what do you do if you see a green flip Kop?

[OkaPoka]

I prefer scum.

I'm better at scum.

Still shit at both.

[OkaPoka]

yes i can all roads lead to oka town

afaik your dunn scum appeared when he voted you

[OkaPoka]

Kop voted you rather than Lich.

Good enough for the day

[OkaPoka]

Kop was posturing to hammer me

[OkaPoka]

I actually do have a solid townread-ish on skitter

I tried a dirty method to get her to vote with me but it didnt work

so im just meh

[OkaPoka]

okay cool whatever skitter

[OkaPoka]

I thought he was setting up a motive to give me intent without it looking too jarring

[OkaPoka]

skitter if you really think I scumread you you arent actually paying attention

[OkaPoka]

but whatever

I'll probably mellow out and find someone to sheep

[OkaPoka]

skitter that post is connected to another post

pedit: because ive said you and temporal lich are antialigned and that should really be enough

[OkaPoka]

yeah thats my attempt to emulate rc but im not as good as rc

[OkaPoka]

alright skitter indulge me here

If I am town.

What is your solve then?

because dunn/kop is not a compelling argument since that means they let town run me up to l1 twice and didnt hammer or even give intent when all eyes were on me and it was reasonable to for a hammer

actually ill make this post

these posts are connected

if you have any questions ask but i cant promise i can be assed to answer at this point

ill give you a clue

there is an implication of me wanting my buddies to bus if im scum here

[OkaPoka]

i would've told my buddy in daychat to hammer me

[OkaPoka]

ill rephrase

mrs skitter whats your solve? i know you think its me + dunn/kop but here's why your solve can't be me + dunn/kop since I would've told them to hammer me and they would have been praised!

[OkaPoka]

oh it does

then im insane and probably thought i posted something i didnt

idk

give me rope already

[OkaPoka]

all i know for certain is that post was made with me thinking that the sovle cant be me + dunn/kop

[OkaPoka]

keep reading

[OkaPoka]

Dirty as in threatening skitter to get her to move


VOTE: lich

[OkaPoka]

Flipping me as town is more helpful than flipping either Dunn or kop as town so either be sure or lynch me instead

[OkaPoka]

Maybe I should vote skitter to reward Dunn's good efforts this past irl day

[OkaPoka]

dunn what has lit this fire under you

I like it just fwiw

[OkaPoka]

It looks very likely that today's lynch is going to be skitter

[OkaPoka]

Lich are you willing to die for skitter?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: kop

[OkaPoka]

oversoul promises a catchup so

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: oversoul

this slot replaced tw

anyone down for a chinese fire drill

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: lich

[OkaPoka]

These two days felt like a waste

[OkaPoka]

Anyone online that wants to talk?

[OkaPoka]

Dunn who is skitter's partner

[OkaPoka]

Dunn I need a compelling narrative

[OkaPoka]

What happens if skitter flips town though?

[OkaPoka]

Cfj are you purposely trying to fracture ?

[OkaPoka]

cfj if you are in the position of being widely townread yoiu have to step up to bat and unite town

if you aren't taking advantage of that idk what to say

anyways

I guess I'm open to voting skitter now : P

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: kop

[OkaPoka]

are these your scumteam guesses?

[OkaPoka]

Why would you accept the lynch if you can prove your role

[OkaPoka]

You think NRG are going to pass a game that has a role that confirms a townie and a role that confirms scum in a micro?

[OkaPoka]

wanna lynch lich kop

[OkaPoka]

Why were you open to vote for Skitter?

@Oka

because skitter lynch gives info even if i think she is town

[OkaPoka]

clam chowder

[OkaPoka]

let him claim?

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:

or you can move over and ill hammer since ill be online probably around deadline

[OkaPoka]

Waiting on a kop

[OkaPoka]

i want kop to fullclaim

[OkaPoka]

we really should've run up lich or someone much earlier

[OkaPoka]

Depending on what Kop claims, I'll do certain things.

[OkaPoka]

we might not even get a lynch today

[OkaPoka]

somebody else needs to show up and vote kop though

unless you want to hammer then just say it in thread and ill re put the vote

[OkaPoka]

meh

if we are forced to we swap wagons

meaning skitter

[OkaPoka]

We reap what we sow.

[OkaPoka]

Kop, you willing to selfvote so I can hammer you?

[OkaPoka]

Are you going to be here until deadline?

[OkaPoka]

Willing to move your vote to Lich for now?

[OkaPoka]

Lich when you show up are you willing to claim?

[OkaPoka]

Well if Kop moves maybe we can get three on lich to lynch lich

[OkaPoka]

He wouldn't move to avoid a NL?

[OkaPoka]

I have a theory but I need some data.

[OkaPoka]

Kop not moving is noted.

[OkaPoka]

Unless the pairing is exactly Kop/Lich

[OkaPoka]

My request:

If you are Kop, please vote Lich.

If you are not Kop, please vote Kop for now.

[OkaPoka]

Kop not moving is noted.

You shouldn't have noted that until Kop actually made a post. People simply being offline is fairly common, even in time-critical situations (and someone saying they'll be around at deadline doesn't mean they'll be around continuously until then; I'm likely to leave for half an hour or so at one point).

Yes I could be nice about it but what's the fun in that?

[OkaPoka]

kop i c u online move

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: temp

[OkaPoka]

ball in your court cfj

[OkaPoka]

ball in your court cfj

If you were planning to shift people over to Lich regardless, why did you force the claim from Kop?

I was interested in his claim

[OkaPoka]

Only mailman game was Mason-Mason-Mailman-VTx4 vs Rolecop + Goon

[OkaPoka]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[OkaPoka]

I was interested in his claim

But that information is more useful for scum than town. It's normally better to leave scum in the dark about whether they should kill the slot to avoid a strong power role or not.

Forcing claims from people who you aren't planning to hammer is about as strong a scumtell as primarily hunting for Serial Killers; it's being curious about information that scum are missing, which is a kind of curiosity that scum can have, rather than being curious about information that scum already have (which tends to imply not being scum). Worse, it

also

helps scum aim their kills correctly.

Maybe it helps scum aim their shot.

But it also helps town because Kop was being dodgy with the claim and he already explicitly confirmed that he's a pretty weak PR so having it out there is nice for future reference.

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So Lich you keeping your vote where its at?

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CFJ are you not going to give intent?

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VOTE: dunnstral

I am willing to do this now

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VOTE: skitter

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Cop + miller is enough town power to have in a micro

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Probably one weak town power role left

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VOTE: dunn

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Temp

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We should full claim today because something isn't right.

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Not yet however

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Hopefully sleepless has caught up in full

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Not me?

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???

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We mass claim today.

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Prefer popcorn style. Kop goes next with stuff and he popcorns it (to me probably)

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actually since sleepless assasssin shows up once in a blue moon he should just claim when he gets here lul

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lich if i claimed neighbor or mason somebody would have to join me in the memes

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if i claim mailman

somebody would have to receive my mail

and how fucking satisfying would it be for you

if you could waltz on in here and be like

bitches

oka can fucking communicate

let's see how he worms out of this one

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damn if i could do that to you id be the happiest man on earth

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man u could 've even come in here and gambitted the shit out of me and been like yo oka can privately communicate

if i were scum id be like aww shieeet

looks like i gotta fakeclaim some bullshit

and then u could've been like yo jk gottem bois

of course that doesn't work if you were roleblocked but still

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skitter my friend im a townsperson

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but r u my child

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skitter my child

why would i not kill temporal lich

he is clearly unlynchable

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u r much more lynchable why would i kill you

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that has very little weight in how kills are determined lol



have u ever killed someone cuz they are tunneling u?

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do u rly ? !

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people who r unlynchable

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but skitter i heff to ask

y would i not murderize lich

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actly dont answer that unti lwe fll lcaim ds

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Cuz i've been going after you since like ... p5 i think

And if i'm dead tl becomes more lynchable too

if i fakeclaim something real nice tl is the same amount of lynchable

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otherwise tl is not lynchable atm

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have u caught up

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Kop isn't popcorning it over.

So

I claim vt popcorn firebringer

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yo skitter if nsg says im town will u be like ok oka's town for today ~

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she straight up modded like 4 scum games of mine in a row fwiw

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just skim and go slowly or something we need to be on the same page when the game kicks up again

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idk even more i thought id go down but i didnt so now my theory is in the shitter

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wow those words did not write correctly

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i want to see what nsg claims first because maybe we dont have to drag this out with scumhunting but lets see

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me is wondering why lich is alive

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no she extended deadline 24 hrs

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lets summon nsg using a chant

n s g

*n* *s* *g*

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gal of the northside

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female person who happens to originate from the northern area

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IM JUST A NORTHSIDE GAL

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GOING TO A GAME

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who is the male version of nsg

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just a SOUTHTOWN BOY

BORN AND RAISED IN ROAD TO RO-OME

HE TOOK THE MIDNIGHT TRAIN

AND IS GOING TO CLAIM~

pedit: that wurks

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idk how to continue to lyrics

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skipping to chorus

DONT STOP THE CLAIM TRAIN

HOLD ON TO THAT FE~AYAAYEYAYE-LING

SHITPOSTS, FAKECLAIMS

northsideGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

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lol why didnt scum kill tl

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wait this is so stupid

they could've shot lich and roleblocked kop?

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kop - mafia mailman

??? - mafia roleblocker/jk

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kop tmi'ing with that torn between cfj and lich there btw

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meh i dont know if kop claims mailman if he doesnt know there is a traffic analyst or he isnt an actual mailman

but still

why not pew pew lich and block kop if kop is town mailman

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reeee

yo skitter why do i leave lich up here ?

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it took me 2 mins to crack this game \

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i would've shot lich and blocked kop lolol

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maybe firebringer is mafia ascetic

only other scenario

pedit:

because if he sends mail to someone they can be like no i didnt get it and then u get an ez clap 1v1

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this scenario there is a) no doubt there is a roleblocker b) no doubt lich is town

my scenario ive created doubt on kop's alignment/role and whoever he mailed and we have zero confirmed townies

!~!

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+ i win so much more with lich dying

nobody can be like oka killed lich cuz lich suspected him

it'd be the mechanically correct play for scum to kill lich

now i have a person who is going to sit on me all day

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you would be mafia ascetic in this scenario firebrginer

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still

if scum has rb and kop is town mailman

why didnt they rb kop and kill lich