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Post #237 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:19 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 234, Bows and Bells wrote:I'm sorry, but we're going to need more explanation for this request. I do see other players are following along, but I don't yet understand why. You've always done an all-call in the newbie area for one role, but never two.
--MJL
At this point, the only possible setup with tracker is doctor/tracker. So if tracker claims, they can't be killed.
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Post #308 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:21 am
Postby Austerity »
Because when LHF get wagoned, they often get lynched, regardless of alignment. And if he's town, which statistically speaking he probably is if you have no read on him, we've lost a mislynch and gained nothing.
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Post #379 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:11 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 364, Jingle wrote:Most of his posting makes me think he's trying to get other people to scumread/townread specific players without coming out and scumreading/townreading specific players.
I will always encourage good arguments and discourage bad ones, whether or not I agree with the argument's conclusion.
I am interested to see what happens when I shine a light on him.
I'll give you a sneak preview: absolutely nothing.
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Post #398 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:19 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 396, AzoriusSenate wrote:TeamWorldwide's self centered critique of my early reads list was an excellent post in my opinion. I SHOULD have had a read on them and they called it out. Leaning town on them and I don't think you're going to get anywhere unless you case them for me.
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Post #422 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:41 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 417, AzoriusSenate wrote:Austerity, give me a list with everyone in the game so far, top to bottom, with your town at the top and mafia at the bottom.
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Post #442 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:54 am
Postby Austerity »
You were assuming that I was supporting/refuting arguments because I wanted people to come to certain conclusions, but really I was just doing it because of the arguments themselves.
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Post #449 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:12 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 443, Jingle wrote:So... You disagree that there's an inherent scum value in getting town to draw faulty conclusions on their own? Or you disagree that that is a valid interpretation of what you've been doing?
The latter. My aim is to cut down on faulty arguments, which should reduce the frequency of faulty conclusions.
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Post #452 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:25 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 450, Jingle wrote:These are both examples of you leading a conclusion without coming to that conclusion yourself FMPOV. What is the faulty logic you're destroying?
With the first one, I was concerned that my own logic that Azorius being overconfident was towny could have been wrong, if he has been known to play in a similar way as scum.
With the second one, I know that a lot of players, particularly ones who are liable to fly off the handle as Azorius seems to be, do not get easier to read under pressure, and will instead sometimes implode completely. I didn't want you to push him under the implication that it would necessarily help in reading him.
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Post #467 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:58 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 453, Jingle wrote:So... You were presuming my motivation in an attempt to prevent me from coming to faulty conclusions based on logic I may or may not apply in the future instead of reading into what it was I was doing and why?
I don't understand why this is phrased the way it is. I was attempting to understand what you were doing and why, so that I could possibly prevent you from doing something dumb. In the meantime, it's possible our interactions could inform my read on you, but that wasn't my primary goal.
What have you been doing that isn't stopping faulty arguments?
...because I don't attempt to sort every single post in the game. I didn't respond to your post because I saw it and wanted to sort it. I responded to it because I saw it and wanted to talk about whether wagoning Azorius was a good idea.
Lynx, please.
You want a link... to my ISO?
I can tell you what I've been attempting to do thus far this game, and that's generate content. I'm not even thinking about who I'd like to lynch yet. I am forming reads, but as I'm sure you saw, they're not at the forefront. I play by interacting with people, asking questions, getting into arguments and discussions, and analyzing reasons and possibilities.
If you don't see me doing that much yet, well, you need only wait.
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Post #532 (isolation #42) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:30 am
Postby Austerity »
Azorius Conflict TWW town. Maybe Jingle because hyper-interrogating me and then admitting it doesn't affect his read on me at all reads as pretty genuine.
In what way do you think I was brushing off suspicion (which as far as I understand is basically saying "your feelings are invalid" without explaining why), and why would I be more likely to act that way as scum?
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Post #538 (isolation #44) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:03 am
Postby Austerity »
Particularly in comparison with defending, which you seemed to identify as a townier action. Are towniest more likely to defend their actions than scum?
Because it's not hard to fake reads as scum. Scum will, in general, try to avoid drawing undue attention, and having no reads is a great way to get people on your ass about why not.
In my experience, players that go out of their way to state that they have no reads are usually town.
They went out of their way to point out they had no reads. That is a great way to get negative attention and pressure on you as scum, and it's completely avoidable because coming up with fake reads is very easy.
Their follow-up explanation about forgetting reads feels genuine too. Scum care a lot more about consistency whereas town just say whatever they're feeling at the time.
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Post #595 (isolation #51) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:09 am
Postby Austerity »
In post 589, Jingle wrote:Really? Cause this doesn't suggest to me that you prefer any wagon, considering neither of your suspects are being voted and you're not voting anyone.
You are correct. If I had a strong preference for who I wanted lynched, I'd be voting them. That's why I used the terminology "probably willing to wagon" and not "want to lynch."
Unfortunately, there's no way to express a strong preference for who you don't want lynched besides, you know, yelling at people.
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Post #647 (isolation #56) » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:31 am
Postby Austerity »
That misses the point. If you're calling a behavior scummy, you have to explain why the player wouldn't be likely to do that as town.
Do you think I, as scum, don't know how to look like I'm "pushing the game forward?"
Because it sounds to me like you don't like how I'm playing because it's different from how you play, and you've decided that for some reason that means I'm scum.
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Post #652 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:11 am
Postby Austerity »
And I don't know what the hell you mean by not providing stances. I gave four townreads. If those are right, that's enough to win the game on the spot. (Even if three of them are, it probably is as well.)
You want to engage me about my reads? Freaking do it, what are you waiting for?
You want me to vote? A single vote does nothing. Get a wagon on B&B, Gamma, Inferno, or RT, and I'll join it. I've already said this.
You want me to commit to a slot that I think is extremely likely to be scum? I can't, because there aren't any. This early in the game, there's too much noise and not enough signal. Rest assured, when I have one, I will share it.
But until then, don't sit around and say I'm useless and should be almost-policy lynched because I'm prioritizing townreads over scumreads.