Micro 881_Tourist Trap | GAME OVER

[Bingle]

Why am I on the middle of your list?

Well, you're less town than the flipped town players. You're also less town than the Gemerald, and I've talked a bit about why I think he's town. You're also more town than the PoE pool as I've talked a bit about reasons to think youtown, even if they're not super convincing to me.

Past that, I'm afraid I don't understand the point of your question.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Bingle

That is L-1.
How good scum is Jingle Bingle?

-Parasol Slime

I haven't won a scum game in ~ a year.

I haven't played scum since the beginning of the year when I replaced into a caught scum slot and lasted two days. My prior scum game is the one tn referenced D1 where I lost because I helped town mechanically clear too many players to win through and might still have won if not for Ank strongarming lynches onto BOTH of my partners.

[Bingle]

I wasn’t sure whether you had me as null or just not with a strong lean on me as either alignment.

Why am I more/less town than other players in comparison?

GE questions here seem ++town, btw.

I want to say Inferno's twilight was town indicative, but that's probably lazyreads.

In addition, I have a slight gut town on you from your reactions to my push on you D1. It didn't feel like your interactions with RC in the normal we played.

You're hovering in that area of I wouldn't really be surprised if you flipped scum, but I think you're probably town. Gamma flipping scum would merit a raised eyebrow.

[Bingle]

Jingle's most recent completed scumgames:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78228 Ended in March of this year.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76042 Ended more than a year ago, in June of last year.

God I've been on the most annoying town role PM streak.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Bows and Bells L-1

This is more for pressure and reactions, rather than lynch (for now).

-Water Slime

Gross

[Bingle]

I can unvote if you'd like

I fear no quickhammers in this PL, tbh. I just think that was an agressively slimy vote.

[Bingle]

Hewwo it's me your town mayor. Continue this wynch. OwO

Pls be useful

FTFY

[Bingle]

I'm here

I'm weirded out by the Jingle wagon completely falling apart as soon as I joined it. I definitely prefer lynching Jingle to B&B.

Why to both parts?

[Bingle]

Again, why?

Every reason someone has given for wanting to lynch me is objectively wrong, and

one

person hasn’t said they want to lynch me. I’m a pretty obvious mislynch.

[Bingle]

I’m pretty psyched about the level of activity from all of the active lurkers.

[Bingle]

I’m pretty psyched about the level of activity from all of the active lurkers.

Eh?

The worst example would be Azorius Senate, with 4 posts this phase. Not four useful posts, four posts.

[Bingle]

Because it looked like everyone else on the wagon wasn't serious about it and they jumped ship as soon as it hit L-1. That could indicate distancing, actually.

As for the latter, you have seemed actively nasty in your pushes, whereas B&B hasn't really given me strong vibes either way yet.

Everyone else on the wagon jumped ship when I called them out on their reasons for suspecting me being bullshit.

He's been pushing easy targets with relatively shallow analysis. The most recent example of this is pushing you for mischaracterizing his play this game, as though that's something you would do on purpose as scum.

And, I don't understand the RC kill from any point of view except a fearkill from the other big-name player in the game. I especially don't think B&B kill ESC, unless they're partnered with Jingle.

What nonshallow analysis can I do when the major issue with this game is that people haven't been doing enough to get read, and every attempt I've made at instigating more content has been shot down with, roughly paraphrasing you, "That's not my playstyle."

Why don't you think MJL fear kills RC considering she's firmly in the RC fanclub side of things from my experience with her?

Why don't you think ANY scum kills the only really active and powerful town voice here?

[Bingle]

The fact that CoI flipped town certainly gives Jingle towncred

No it doesn't.

[Bingle]

Hey now Bingle
How have I not been doing enough to get read for one?
For another, I didn’t jump wagon because you “called out my shit.” I jumped because you were at L-1 and I was basically gutreading you. I knew my reasoning wasn’t very good from the get go, and I didn’t want you lynched based on just my gut read.

You sound very defensive btw.

You're above the pool of blech, aren't you?

[Bingle]

I declare intent to hammer Bows and Bells

-Water Slime

Gamma, would you unvote?

I would rather you have control the hammer vote if you're gonna be around at deadline.

[Bingle]

Why are you psyched about that?

Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was clear enough.

That was a callout, if anyone is still unclear.

[Bingle]

Can we afford to lynch him with this "activity" level?

Effort =/= Alignment

If y'all think I'm scum, lynch me for it. But I'm not going to roll over. I'm going to make it as drawn out as possible and make the scum pushing me burn every last shred of towncred they have in the process, because that is how we win this game.

[Bingle]

Why are you psyched about that?

Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was clear enough.

That was a callout, if anyone is still unclear.

Ah
Also why do you want me to hold the hammer? I'll UNVOTE: but I'd like an answer

I actually didn't want Slime hammering rn when we've got conversation going, but apparently they're already on wagon so I don't think it matters.

[Bingle]

Never stop never stopping.

[Bingle]

It's a reference to my readslist, Ferno.

[Bingle]

Why don't you think ANY scum kills the only really active and powerful town voice here?

Because it was an active and powerful town voice that just hard pushed a mislynch.

So... The premise here is that I am the only one who would have killed RC hydra because he pushed a single mislynch.

Let's take a poll of the audience:

Who would have considered shooting RC if they were scum?

[Bingle]

I would not have, precisely because they pushed a mislynch so hard day one. I would have kept them as a potential target for scumpainting. I mean yeah, it's an incredibly risky move as scum to push a mislynch like that day one, but I'm told RC is good at this game and knows what he's doing. Was everybody really ready to town confirm them at the end of the dayphase?

The premise of "Would you shoot them" presumes that you, as scum, would have knowledge they are town.

If you had been scum last night, would you have shot RC, or at least considered it?

[Bingle]

Fuckit.

VOTE: B&B

Glaciers move faster than this game.

Gamma, feel free to give intent, we only have 54 hours and we should probably get a claim.

[Bingle]

:/

If there is a cop with results claim now.

[Bingle]

Ferno might have just scumslipped.

[Bingle]

I must ruminate on this before I answer why.

[Bingle]

Or maybe townslipped? Hm intensifies.

[Bingle]

That's not it, Ferno. That's a wholly NAI thingy, actually.

Austerity, what are your thoughts with the validity of the slip without outing what it is?

[Bingle]

Inferno don't clarify.

AS, are you a cop?

[Bingle]

Same @ Slime.

[Bingle]

It's MYLO. If you're a cop, claim.

[Bingle]

If you're not a cop (of any variety) IDGAF.

[Bingle]

:thorface:

This is p much the opposite of fluffposting.

If we lynch randomly here it's a 1/3 of hitting scum.
If there's a direct CC here it's a 1/2 of hitting scum.
If there's a claim with no usable results it's a 2/5 of hitting scum.
If there's a claim with usable results it's a 1-2 to 100% of hitting scum.

Are you or are you not a cop?

[Bingle]

Why the fuck are people lolcat voting in MYLO?

Unvote right the fuck now.

[Bingle]

I feel like Bingle is trying to stymie the scumhunting I'm trying to do here, not cool bruv.

I feel like AS is actively working against the ability of the town to win this game.

[Bingle]

I explicitly told him not to, because getting the cop/notcop claim out of the way before he clarifies can only help us.

[Bingle]

If you talk about mechanics one more time

mechanics

[Bingle]

ngl, I really wanna lynch AS here.

[Bingle]

Oh, it's 100% policy.

I have no real alignment read on you, but your refusal to claim cop/notcop is incredibly antitown.

[Bingle]

SC needs to claim not cop, then inferno needs to explain himself.

[Bingle]

Bingle, I think I’ve caught on to what you think my slip is
I’m gonna keep my mouth shut for now and see what comes of it
You’re welcome

...why? It's not as if seeing the slip versus not seeing it is alignment indicative, it's just how good people are at looking for stuff like that now that they know it's there.

If you see now why it looks like a slip, can you explain why you said it?

This is a

town

post.

[Bingle]

Specifically, the slip is that if Inferno's team had two goons, they'd have known since D1 that it was either a lone JK or a lone cop, and so he may very well have forgotten that town didn't have that knowledge.

I'm normally not one to believe in slips, but this one seems pretty compelling, since I don't really see a reason why someone would make an error like that as town.

To confirm, this is it.

The potential for townslip would have been if a cop claimed, it would show that we were in a setup that had a roleblocker/cop/doc and ferno would be functionally cleared in my eyes, by the lack of information he would naturally have as scum.

As is, it is incredibly likely that ferno is either scum or JK, based on TMI.

[Bingle]

So, to save time:

Ferno, are you a JK or am I lynching you?

[Bingle]

I don't see myself letting this go, tbh.

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, and JK needs to hit the 25% hail mary shot of who actually makes the NK.

JK claims immediately tomorrow along with a complete list of actions.

If Ferno is scum, who does the JK target in case JK flips over night?

[Bingle]

I believe inferno did plain forget the setup

Does scum outright believe their caught partner, though?

I feel like inferno/gamma is very unlikely.

[Bingle]

Who didn't claim not cop?

Me, technically. I could have been slow rolling this the entire time as a way to try and preempt a cc and out scum. I wasn't, but it's a thing I could have been doing.

[Bingle]

prompt, not preempt

[Bingle]

Well, duh. I have been for days.

[Bingle]

Gamma, FYPOV who is most likely ferno partner? Assume red flip.

Same @ Slime and AS, tbh. Aus already answered.

[Bingle]

I'd prefer you do whatever legwork you feel is necessary.

If we can catch both scum today, why shouldn't we?

If the act of trying makes everyone more readable to the JK and I'm wrong on inferno, that makes a more informed JK shot. It's a w/w.

Feel free to top of your head and then go back to do work though.

[Bingle]

^ That is the best AS post so far this game. I find this to be sad.
PEdit: Fucking Ninja

[Bingle]

KK, if Inferno flips red, JK on Slime, I think. That should win us the game.

Now, to solve if Ferno flips green, which I think is a real danger here.

As much as I would hate to lose to scum AS, I think they're probably my strongest individual tr.

I've been tunneled on Austerity all game, and I really want them to be scum, but I don't trust my read to be strong.

GE/SC has slight partner equity, although not much. Otherwise, GE is probably my second strongest townread.

SC is my strongest individual scumread.

I can't locktown anyone.

Everyone make a post that looks like the above, even if you are the JK, so the JK has as much information as possible.

If JK can locktown anyone, that should increase our chances. whether the townier or scummier of the scum players takes the shot is WIFOM, so don't necessarily aim for your strongest scum read. Assume the scum will be shooting you as they should be aiming for the JK. If they aim at someone else, they risk accidentally targeting the protection and letting us have another day. Tomorrow, if we wake up, the JK claims with all actions.

After everyone has posted their reads, I'm fine with lynching Inferno and rolling the dice.

[Bingle]

Bump.

[Bingle]

We're lynching Inferno. I just want everyone to reads dump with whatever thoughts they have before we do so in the hopes that it informs the JK. See 1453 and 1454.

[Bingle]

If you flip town we can’t target jk at anyone publicly or we outright lose, 100% of the time.

[Bingle]

You'll have an uphill battle convincing me to go along with it. Especially given 1460.

Frankly, I don't see a world where we don't lynch Inferno. I think it's possible I'm wrong and he's town, but the PoV of his that we were in either JK 9er or cop 9er doesn't make sense unless he was the JK or scum. VT would enter the day thinking JK 9er or cop/doc/blocker. Inferno didn't even consider cop/doc/blocker, and instead jumped directly to scum nokill gambit. He's claimed not JK.

His embarrassment is real. But it's probably embarrassment about slipping as scum. The only reason I'm jumping through these hoops is because I've been wrong before.

VOTE: Inferno

Don't hammer until JK target is chosen.

[Bingle]

You think I'm a likely Inferno partner?

[Bingle]

UNVOTE:

[Bingle]

Yeah I don't really follow that one either.

Also the JK target is not decided yet. No player has even received more than one vote for it -.-

You should take those votes off and wait until Slime casts a (hopefully deciding) vote.

Probably a townpost?

[Bingle]

I'd take that as a bonus. I think the more pressing concern is Inferno self hammering if town puts him to L-1 before we work out what to do if he's scum.

My reasoning for Slime as JK target if Inferno flips scum is that he has very slight JK equity and if scum risk shooting him and he's not JK that gives us an extra mislynch.

I think there's a better than 50% chance its not SC. But the chance to ensure that scum doesn't kill there if SC is the JK is worth making him the target. Also, I don't think anyone is hard townreading SC to the point where conftowning him would be a bad move.

Obviously, successfully jailing the scum would be the best case, but again, I doubt anyone is hard townreading SC to the point where they'd be surprised at the scumlynch there.

Ofc, SC should also tell us who they would JK if they were JK just in case they flip overnight, assuming you all agree to my proposed JK target.

[Bingle]

Whoever we pick to be jailed should name a target for if they're the JK just in case, btw.

[Bingle]

Whoever we pick to be jailed should name a target for if they're the JK just in case, btw.

[Bingle]

Yeah, but the collectively decided one needs to name a different target, too, in case they are the jk.

They’re obvs not self targeting.

Also, deadline fast approaching, get your asses in here.

[Bingle]

May I ask why?

You may.

[Bingle]

If everyone's okay with this, then we can end the day.

I can dig it. It's probably slightly suboptimal, given the potential for scum to shoot a protected player, but that's a situation where we should be winning anyway.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Inferno

[Bingle]

Caught.
You don’t get a “mislynch” tomorrow. It’s Lylo.
I think you know I’m not gonna flip scum here by the tone of your post.

With that being said, you guys want me to self hammer to get the game moving forward?

The premise of that post is that you flip scum.

Go ahead and self vote though.

[Bingle]

Claim pl0x.

Me. Being the right account is very hard when drunk.

[Bingle]

Aye post

[Bingle]

Aus not aye

[Bingle]

No hammer

[Bingle]

Aus post

[Bingle]

I’m tryna conftown myself, btw.

[Bingle]

Incorrect logic. If aus posts then we had the opportunity to hammer you and we’re not scum together. Atm, I’m only CONFIRMED not scum with you, which is pretty useless.

[Bingle]

And any crumbs.

Idc about signing.

[Bingle]

I’m only CONFIRMED not scum with you, which is pretty useless.

Since vanilla townies counter claims jailkeepers every other game.

Yeah, that’s why it’s useless. If I was scum with you then the game would be over. Actually same with as, despite them not being here atm.

[Bingle]

If Gamma is town, you are town as well.

Actually explain this for me. How did you arrive here?

[Bingle]

No hammer.

[Bingle]

Dammit, I thought that was aus for a second.

[Bingle]

Nah, he disappeared right when I started to try to conf myself.

Ngl, I heavily lean aus scum here.

[Bingle]

Nope

[Bingle]

If we lynch town, game ends before night.

[Bingle]

Gamma, unvote. Everyone but aus being here makes me nervous in case it really is AS and Aus.

[Bingle]

I'm leaning Austerity scum

Let him out crumbs etc before we talk about why.

[Bingle]

I wouldn’t oppose being hammer tested, tbh, but if we’re doing that I want to be on my desktop not mobile

[Bingle]

Unvote, slime.

[Bingle]

Unvote.

[Bingle]

I’m not ready to decide between gamma and aus just yet.

[Bingle]

Austerity is almost certainly paired with slime if scum. 95%.

[Bingle]

Senate you here?

[Bingle]

I'm not voting Aus without talking to him. You'll have better luck tryna convince Gamma to unvote.

Gamma unvote.

Rushing LYLO is dumb.

[Bingle]

If austerity is scum with not you, which is pretty laughable tbh.

[Bingle]

Nope
VOTE: Gamma

N1 Gamma N2 Bingle N3 Slime.

Why does austerity scum cc a jail keeper with a false guilty?

[Bingle]

This doesn’t imply that gamma is innocent or guilty, btw, just that if austerity is scum so are you.

[Bingle]

Extrapolating, I cannot be scum with gamma, from an external POV.

Functionally, I am conftown.

[Bingle]

Slime, unvote. Fypov, the scum team has to be exactly gamma as, else you have already lost. Your vote allows that scum team to quick hammer.

[Bingle]

Newbie. Unexperienced as scum.

Support this assertion using real evidence from this thread.

[Bingle]

You haven't played Town of Salem. You wouldn't believe what are same players capable of.

You mean like how Inferno perspective slipped scum as town in this game, Aristophanes aggressively argued against facts that were both public and checkable until I lynched him as town, or Majiffy literally got shot by his scumpartner because his partner forgot they were partners, despite Majiffy being in the PT where the scumkill was submitted?

I'm aware there's a chance for Austerity to just be bad, but I also am going to treat him like he has at least some competence.

[Bingle]

from an external POV.

?

Someone who is not read into the alignments of anyone in this game.

If I'm scum with Austerity, we just shut up and let Gamma lynch you.

If I'm scum with Gamma, I just shut up and let you lynch Austerity.

If I'm scum with anyone else, there is no way the fakeclaiming townie in the jk's hasn't already lost town the game.

Ergo, I am town.

AS could theoretically be scum with Gamma still, and they just haven't had a chance to hammer. Which is why you should unvote.

[Bingle]

1-shot Bulletproof Townie

Welcome!

You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Townie.

You will survive 1 kill attempt during the game. This does not include lynches.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm you received your Role PM by

replying with your Role and Alignment

.

I too can quote the sample role pms.

[Bingle]

So, if Austerity is competent player.
If I am town, Gamma is scum,
and If I am scum, Austerity is scum?

Nope. If you are scum, Gamma could still be scum. There's absolutely no risk to faking a guilty on his partner from Gamma's PoV, because it's always going to come back to the 1v1 with Austerity today.

[Bingle]

Jingle will explain.

I will?

[Bingle]

It's obvious to me that either you slipped that Austerity is town or you pretended to slip that Austerity is town.

In the former case, you'd unvote because drawing attention to it yourself adds WIFOM. In the latter case, it's because you wanted it to be noticed in the first place.

As a whole it's completely meaningless, aside from the fact that you've conftowned AS.

I suppose we could lynch you now, but I don't see a reason to since the night phase will be Gamma and Austerity cross targeting and we'll have all the same information in a brand new day phase where we still have to resolve the same 1v1.

[Bingle]

Actually, it's probably best not to lynch you just in case that was an incredibly bad town gambit, because lynching the scum out of Austerity/Gamma today lets us have an additional mislynch if by some incredible stroke of misfortune you are town.

[Bingle]

So, continuing onward...

Gamma, Austerity, be town as hard as you possibly can so that I can ignore your arguments and instead flip a coin at the end of the phase. TIA.

[Bingle]

No offense, but I’m probably not reading any more of your posts, slime.

[Bingle]

Always coming back to the 1v1 means always coming back to the 1v1 with the actual jk, not you as a player, in the case that gamma is scum. He doesn’t have to know who they are to be able to pick the 1v1 with them, he just has to claim.

[Bingle]

Always coming back to the 1v1 means always coming back to the 1v1 with the actual jk, not you as a player, in the case that gamma is scum. He doesn’t have to know who they are to be able to pick the 1v1 with them, he just has to claim.

Okay, I see what you mean. Yes, there's no RISK in faking a guilty on your partner. But there is a BENEFIT in faking a guilty on a townie, which is that if you hit the JK their claim suddenly becomes really suspicious.

It’s fascinating to me that you seem to be towncasing someone who is confscum fypov.

[Bingle]

Gamma is confscum fypov, is he not?

[Bingle]

Exactly.

[Bingle]

It's obvious to me that either you slipped that Austerity is town or you pretended to slip that Austerity is town.

In the former case, you'd unvote because drawing attention to it yourself adds WIFOM. In the latter case, it's because you wanted it to be noticed in the first place.

As a whole it's completely meaningless, aside from the fact that you've conftowned AS.

I suppose we could lynch you now, but I don't see a reason to since the night phase will be Gamma and Austerity cross targeting and we'll have all the same information in a brand new day phase where we still have to resolve the same 1v1.

[Bingle]

Sure, we lynch in the jk claims. That is true. Slime scumclaimed a page ago though.

[Bingle]

Gamma, if you are jailor (what I think you are), why do you vote us (you *think* that we are scum) and not Austerity (you *know* they are scum).

-Water Slime

Because I wanted your reaction first.
VOTE: Austerity

One more...

Hups, just slipped.
UNVOTE:

[Bingle]

Didn’t come across as one to me. It came across as a deliberate attempt to introduce WIFOM.

And when I said as much, slime didn’t respond with “but it was just a joke!”

Either way, it doesn’t matter much. I just have to make the right call between you two and by virtue of me being conftown, town wins.

But it’s interesting that you are trying to case gamma as not partners with someone who jokingly or not scumclaimed in lylo, and I want to know why you’re doing so.

[Bingle]

This is evidence he's not sorting he's just pushing his win vector

Eh.

[Bingle]

Besides, slips like that are never ever real and they're never ever done for WIFOM.

[Bingle]

The takeaway, of course, is that Slime is confscum and thus AS (and me, although I already was by virtue of logic) are conftown, and we shouldn't listen to anything Slime posts because it's all something he thinks he can use to convince us to lynch whichever of Gamma/Austerity is town.

[Bingle]

Very heavily leaning scum Austerity now, btw, and probably not for the reason you think.

[Bingle]

Very heavily leaning scum Austerity now, btw, and probably not for the reason you think.

More or less heavy than before I started to puh him?

More, but the fact that you pushed him is largely unrelated.

[Bingle]

Dead player reads:

Neither Gamma nor Austerity look good when I check superhydrafanedition. Katy suspected Gamma consistently and Aus was RC's EoD paranoia read. Aus maybe looks slightly worse based on the "I'd never shoot RC" narrative D2, which was ick.
CoI Aus>Gamma, but he didn't have much to say about either towards the end.
B&B TRs Gamma early, SR's him late. Aus consistently null.
Inferno -> Gamma>Aus

The dead points slightly but not damningly at Aus.

[Bingle]

Spoiler:

VoteCount 1.1

Jingle

(2) :

Conflict of Interest

, Gamma Emerald

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

Inferno390

(1) :

Jingle

Hectic (1) :

Radiant Troubadour

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

,

AzoriusSenate

, Hectic,

Slime Collective

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This is the brightest VC I've ever done.
I hope I flavour'd adequately
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Inferno390

(3) :

Jingle

, Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

Gamma Emerald (1) :

Radiant Troubadour

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

,

AzoriusSenate

, Hectic,

Slime Collective

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*

Jingle

pointed at one of the hydras*

"Is it natural for that thing to have multiple heads?"

Inferno390

(3) :

Jingle

, Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

Gamma Emerald (1) :

Radiant Troubadour

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

,

AzoriusSenate

, Hectic,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

Still sunny outside...
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I think I may have bit off more than I can chew with this game. @mods: Gonna have to request a replacement. Sorry everyone.

Maybe i'll adda bit of flavor to this replace out. For now though,
Seeking a replacement for Hectic.[/color]

Austerity replaces Hectic.[/color]

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Inferno390

(3) :

Jingle

, Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

Gamma Emerald (2) :

Radiant Troubadour

,

AzoriusSenate

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

, Austerity,

Slime Collective

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AzoriusSenate

(2) :

Conflict of Interest

, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1) :

AzoriusSenate

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

Austerity (1) :

Jingle

Slime Collective

(1) :

Radiant Troubadour

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

, Austerity,

Slime Collective

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AzoriusSenate

(2) :

Conflict of Interest

, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1) :

AzoriusSenate

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

Slime Collective

(2) :

Radiant Troubadour

,

Jingle

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

, Austerity,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.5

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Slime Collective

(3) :

Radiant Troubadour

,

Jingle

,

AzoriusSenate

AzoriusSenate

(2) :

Conflict of Interest

, Gamma Emerald

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

, Austerity,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.6

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Slime Collective

(3) :

Jingle

,

AzoriusSenate

AzoriusSenate

(2) : Gamma Emerald

Bows and Bells

(1) :

Inferno390

Austerity (1) :

Conflict of Interest

Gamma Emerald (1) :

RadiantTroubadour

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

, Austerity,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.7

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Gamma Emerald (3) :

RadiantCowbells Superfan

, Austerity,

AzoriusSenate

Slime Collective

(1) :

Jingle

AzoriusSenate

(1) : Gamma Emerald

Bows and Bells

(1) :

Inferno390

Austerity (1) :

Conflict of Interest

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

i wasn't asked to do this but....i saw a pagetop..
comrade katyusha (one half of

RadiantCowbells Superfan

) is v/la until sunday afternoon.
joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.8

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Gamma Emerald (3) :

RadiantCowbells Superfan

, Austerity,

AzoriusSenate

Slime Collective

(1) :

Jingle

AzoriusSenate

(3) : Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

,

Bows and Bells

Bows and Bells

(1) :

Inferno390

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-18 23:00:00)

Not Voting:

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

Banter
comrade katyusha (one half of

RadiantCowbells Superfan

) is v/la until sunday afternoon.
joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.9

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Gamma Emerald (1) : Austerity,

AzoriusSenate

(3) : Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

,

Slime Collective

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

Slime Collective

(4) L-1 :

RadiantCowbells Superfan

,

Jingle

,

Bows and Bells

,

AzoriusSenate

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-18 23:00:00)

Mod Notes:

comrade katyusha (one half of

RadiantCowbells Superfan

) is v/la until sunday afternoon.
joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.10

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Gamma Emerald (1) : Austerity,

AzoriusSenate

(3) : Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

,

Slime Collective

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

Slime Collective

(4) L-1 :

RadiantCowbells Superfan

,

Jingle

,

Bows and Bells

,

AzoriusSenate

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-18 23:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Turns out no votes changed, so the only reason for this vc is another sea photo
comrade katyusha (one half of

RadiantCowbells Superfan

) is v/la until sunday afternoon.
joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.11

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Gamma Emerald (1) : Austerity,
Austerity (1) :

Jingle

AzoriusSenate

(3) : Gamma Emerald,

Conflict of Interest

,

Slime Collective

Conflict of Interest

(1) :

Inferno390

,

Ether Superfan Coalition

Slime Collective

(2) :

Bows and Bells

,

AzoriusSenate

Ether Superfan Coalition

(1) :

Conflict of Interest

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-18 23:00:00)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.12

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Gamma Emerald (1) : Austerity
Austerity (1) :

Jingle

AzoriusSenate

(2) :

Conflict of Interest

,

Slime Collective

Conflict of Interest

(3) :

Inferno390

,

AzoriusSenate

, GammaEmerald

Slime Collective

(1) :

Bows and Bells

Ether Superfan Coalition

(1) :

Conflict of Interest

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (stopped until a replacement for TWW can be found, and 2 days when that happens)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 1.final

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Austerity (1) :

Jingle

AzoriusSenate

(2) :

Slime Collective

Conflict of Interest

(5)

PUNISHMENT TIME!

:

Inferno390

,

AzoriusSenate

, GammaEmerald,

Ether Superfan Coalition

,

Conflict of Interest

Slime Collective

(1) :

Bows and Bells

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends, well, now

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 2.1

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Bows and Bells

(2): Gamma Emerald,

AzoriusSenate

Bingle

(2):

Inferno390

,

Bows and Bells

Slime Collective

(1):

Bingle

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting: Austerity,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 2.2

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Bows and Bells

(2): Gamma Emerald,

AzoriusSenate

Bingle

(2):

Inferno390

,

Bows and Bells

Slime Collective

(1):

Bingle

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting: Austerity,

Slime Collective

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso
Everythings better with pagetops right

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VoteCount 2.3

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Bows and Bells

(3) L-1: Gamma Emerald,

AzoriusSenate

,

Slime Collective

Bingle

(1): Austerity

Slime Collective

(1):

Bingle

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

,

Inferno390

The day ends in (expired on 2019-07-28 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 2.3

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Bows and Bells

(2) :

AzoriusSenate

,

Slime Collective

Bingle

(1): Austerity

Slime Collective

(1):

Bingle

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bows and Bells

,

Inferno390

, Gamma Emerald

The day ends in (expired on 2019-07-28 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

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VoteCount 2.4

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Bows and Bells

(4) :

Bingle

, Gamma Emerald,

AzoriusSenate

,

Slime Collective

Bingle

(1): Austerity
Gamma Emerald (1):

Bows and Bells

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Inferno390

,

The day ends in, now.

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

[/color]

VoteCount 3.1

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Inferno390

(1):

AzoriusSenate

Slime Collective

(1):

Inferno390

Gamma Emerald (1):

Slime Collective

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bingle

, Gamma Emerald, Austerity

The day ends in (expired on 2019-08-04 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

VoteCount 3.2

[/color]

Slime Collective

(1):

Inferno390

Gamma Emerald (1):

Slime Collective

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Bingle

, Gamma Emerald, Austerity,

AzoriusSenate

The day ends in (expired on 2019-08-04 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

looks like you're all stuck with the quackup mod for a few days

VoteCount 3.3

[/color]

Inferno390

(2):

Bingle

,

AzoriusSenate

Slime Collective

(1):

Inferno390

Gamma Emerald (1):

Slime Collective

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald, Austerity

The day ends in (expired on 2019-08-04 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

prodding

Slime Collective

& Gamma Emerald shortly.

VoteCount 3.4

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Inferno390

(3):

AzoriusSenate

,

Bingle

, Austerity

Slime Collective

(1):

Inferno390

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald,

Slime Collective

The day ends in (expired on 2019-08-04 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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VoteCount 3.4

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Inferno390

(4) LYNCH:

AzoriusSenate

,

Bingle

, Austerity,

Inferno390

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald,

Slime Collective

The day ends now!

Mod Notes:

joined mod iso

[Bingle]

Teal Deer:

Both look bad D1, Austerity looks significantly worse D2 (voteparking a town vanity wagon instead of the main wagon while confscum was on the main wagon and neither scum was under pressure. Also, B&B feels like a town driven wagon, and while I was the first vote on the final wagon, I definitely wasn't the driving force.)

D3 is tainted by the slip.

[Bingle]

Gamma's points about looking like a JK with a successful protect on me make sense.

[Bingle]

The big one, though:

I'm normally not one to believe in slips, but this one seems pretty compelling, since I don't really see a reason why someone would make an error like that as town.

Besides, slips like that are never ever real and they're never ever done for WIFOM. They're always jokes. I'm quite honestly confused that anyone took it seriously.

AS, thoughts?

[Bingle]

Okay. Convince me that it's gamma, either by towncasing yourself or scumcasing him.

You know the right answer. If you're town, convince me.

[Bingle]

Azorius, I'm leaning Bingle scum, because I townread your early play and his unilateral declaration of lynching Inferno is kinda gross in retrospect.

:lolwut:

[Bingle]

Bro Austerity might actually be the JK

Pretty confident he's not.

Gimme a second.

[Bingle]

Bro Austerity might actually be the JK

Pretty confident he's not.

Gimme a second.

Hm... The thing I was thinking was untrue.

I was going to say he didn't treat me like a successful JK target at all on D3, but D3 was the day we lynched inferno (and he sheeped me), not the day he wanted to go all in on my lynch.

[Bingle]

You have to seriously consider Austerity town here, I think. It's not cut and dry like I was thinking

I am. If I was sure, I'd have voted and forced the issue.

[Bingle]

Obviously I'm not sure about that anymore.

You're not sure I'm town when I made a logic post showing how in any case where I'm scum I've already won and there's a 1v1 and there's an openwolf.

AS, what makes this read town to you?

[Bingle]

Notice how Gamma immediately assumes that he stopped Slime from making the kill rather than stopping Slime from being the kill.

He probably expected Slime to be JK and was trying to preempt a CC.

Who would kill Slime tho lol

I thought about who would be the most likely to make a kill out of my possible scum (everyone not Bingle or me) and I felt like it was Slime as Austerity was a poisoned slot and I wasn't confident Azorius was scum at all.

This seems like a pretty reasonable explanation for the assumption, tbh.

[Bingle]

This is bullshit reasoning btw. If Gamma is the JK they let their vote sit on SC when EVERYONE in the thread had posted. You're not scared of a quickhammer autoloss as town?????

Point.

[Bingle]

If I'm scum with Gamma, I just shut up and let you lynch Austerity.

The world where Slime collective tried to push a lynch through on Austerity and I could have just, you know, shut the fuck up and let it happen?

[Bingle]

You're not sure I'm town when I made a logic post showing how in any case where I'm scum I've already won and there's a 1v1 and there's an openwolf.

Wait, let me go look at the points where Slime voted me. I thought they quickly unvoted me both times, right?

No. I had to request that they unvote multiple times in each case, actually.

And then, you know, they claimed scum and didn't retract even after you said you believed they were joking.

[Bingle]

If Gamma is town, I am dead when Austerity comes back.
Since I am >75% sure Gamma is town, we must lynch VOTE: Austerity before he comes back.
Waiting without voting is more risky than lynching Austerity.

Hups, just slipped.
UNVOTE:

More than half an hour.

[Bingle]

I was on site as Jingle at the time, although that's probably not checkable atm unless I happened to be in sitechat at that point, which I don't recall. Give me a few days, and I'll be able to confirm myself along those lines.

More to the point though, Slime collective has scumclaimed and not retracted said scumclaim. Even given that, I'm pushing for the method by which we can still win if he's just pants shittingly bad at mafia.

Trust me here, there are 0 worlds in which scum Bingle hasn't already won this game.

[Bingle]

Also, can anyone give me teams we can wholly eliminate?

It is 100% either Austerity/Slime or Gamma/Slime.

[Bingle]

Also, can anyone give me teams we can wholly eliminate?

It is 100% either Austerity/Slime or Gamma/Slime.

Yup. Why not lynch Slime and see who dies tonight?

No one dies tonight. Ever.

We don’t lynch slime because in the case that he’s just actively gamethrowing, lynching the fake jk still results in an autowin for town.

[Bingle]

I have thoughts to share, but not enough time to share them atm. Hold off on voting until at least tonight AS?

[Bingle]

WRT to Gamma:

You can't ASSUME Slime is scum from the gate and put the game in your hands, it's not a pro town move.

This IS my biggest reservation about Gamma, tbh. The entry onto slime was pretty gross and potential partner spewy: (He'd committed to the 1v1 by claiming, busing a partner didn't matter if he was scum).

With that said, most of the other reasons to scumread Gamma just don't seem like reasons to scumread Gamma to me.

The quickhammering as town makes perfect sense from the PoV of "JK gamma knows no one else who claims anything is town, so claims don't matter."

Gamma's hard townread on me makes perfect sense in hindsight too.

[Bingle]

WRT to Austerity:

There's two big reservations (in addition to the confbias of I want to have been right all along.)

1: I don't really believe Austerity JK targets me N2, and if he does I don't think it immediately switches his Jingle-so-scummy read to a Jingle-town-read where he didn't pressure me at all.

Spoiler:

I'm here

I'm weirded out by the Jingle wagon completely falling apart as soon as I joined it. I definitely prefer lynching Jingle to B&B.

Austerity, could you offer us two reasons why to lynch Bingle?

-Water Slime

He's been pushing easy targets with relatively shallow analysis. The most recent example of this is pushing you for mischaracterizing his play this game, as though that's something you would do on purpose as scum.

And, I don't understand the RC kill from any point of view except a fearkill from the other big-name player in the game. I especially don't think B&B kill ESC, unless they're partnered with Jingle.

2: His play today. Most of the time he's all about shitting on everything I say as soon as I say it. The most noticeable one being:

Austerity is almost certainly paired with slime if scum. 95%.

Yep this is true, if I were scum with anyone else I would just keep quiet and try to quickhammer.

The fact he agrees to this and then immediately starts arguing that the same logic of I would have let town throw the game DOESN'T apply to me seems pretty wonky.


Also, noticed this while looking for examples of his treatment of me D2, but this really doesn't look like a JK post to me.

!!!

Okay so the PR is going on Jingle then. If they get an inno, they'll stay quiet, otherwise they will claim. (If they are cop and get RB'd, they need to claim so it's not taken as a false inno.)

[Bingle]

I really don't like Austerity/Slime associatives either. (I can dig them up if you want me too, but it's not a super long double ISO, so I'd prefer you just check for yourself.

If you're certain on Gamma, I'll trust you. I don't like being the one to make the LYLO decision. But everything my gut says makes me think it's Austerity here.

[Bingle]

Nah, cause you targeted me.

[Bingle]

If anything, I expect to be scumread in all of my other games when a scumgame of mine ends, tbh.

[Bingle]

Okay. Take me through your thought processes with who to target. Why jail me, and why assume the slot you were scumreading wasn't the one who made the kill?

[Bingle]

Then who is scum?
Jingle or Senate?

It doesn't matter. The right move is to lynch Gamma today, regardless.

This is evidence he's not sorting he's just pushing his win vector

I think this is a good analysis

The fact that this is actually NAI is what I hate about LYLO, tbh.

Gamma's wincon is now Lynch Austerity.
Austerity's wincon is now Lynch Gamma.

Everything they do is to further that, so everything they post today is pretty meh.

[Bingle]

Oh, btw. I can say this now. During the time I was 'unavailable to hammer' I was giggling over the mod thread for the game I just modded. I would 100% have been available to hammer had it been important to my wincon, when the alternative was lolcatting in a PT.

[Bingle]

you'd be likely to make the kill if scum

Elaborate?

[Bingle]

likely to be killed if town.

I straight up don't believe this, btw. Or rather, I don't believe that town austerity at that point would have believed it, considering he came into D2 talking about how RC kill didn't make sense because RC was scummy based on the EoD and I was THE counterwagon on D2.

[Bingle]

I'm here

I'm weirded out by the Jingle wagon completely falling apart as soon as I joined it. I definitely prefer lynching Jingle to B&B.

I still see a lynch on Bingle
I just am not ready to lead a quick lynch on him yet

At this point the only person I'm confidently townreading is Inferno.

Austerity is a nullread. So is Slime Collective at the moment.

Gamma Emerald has dropped in town cred for me now that I'm not so fixated on Jingle. MJL made the point that he hasn't really done anything to advance the game this day phase other than vote for us right out of the gate and justify it by saying he could see us working as a team with Austerity.

I still lean scum on Jingle, he's in a cozy position for scum, but not as strongly as I did before. I also scumread Azorious, although that might just be because I find his playstyle obnoxious.

Admittedly, GE and AS had townreads on me, but I was far from universally townread.

[Bingle]

From my pov the only two teams that are possible are: Bingle + Gamma Emerald OR Slime Collective + Austerity

Slime Collective/Gamma is possible, if ballsy, otherwise I'd be voting.

[Bingle]

I don't see why Slime Collective would bus Gamma Emerald at this point in the game.

WIFOM.

Slime was going hard for the Austerity lynch until I made it clear I wasn't listening to him too.

[Bingle]

Like, Slime's wincon here is get one of the two of us to vote Not-His-Partner. How he does that doesn't matter. Where his vote is at prior to us making that vote doesn't matter. So claiming scum and voting his partner isn't functionally different from claiming scum and voting town, because we know it's a big ol bowl of WIFOM.

[Bingle]

Fuck it. I'm riding high off of Role Call and Vengeful.

Sorry if I'm wrong, Austerity, but I don't see me changing my mind at this point.

VOTE: Austerity

Gamma, Jail Slime if you're town and I didn't just lose LYLO.

[Bingle]

UNVOTE:

[Bingle]

You're welcome to try to change my mind. I will read your arguments with as much objectivity as I can muster. I think Gamma has significantly better associations with Slime than you do, your play doesn't make sense to me as a JK, and none of your reasons (which are admittedly plausible) have convinced me as being

right

.

I've reset and reread the whole thread 4 times now since day start, and every time I reach the same conclusion.

In fairness, though, the ball is in your court now. Convince me that it's gamma.

[Bingle]

He's explicitly a non outed alt.

[Bingle]

I'm Batman.

[Bingle]

Man, it feels shitty to out an alt for the purposes of gaining an in-game advantage, but I do think if I outed my identity then you'd be able to see this a lot more easily.

Eh, you'd be surprised. Outside of a very small pool of players, my only real use for meta is a psychological profile to help me manipulate them.

[Bingle]

Most of the time people who are known to be readable I just fake a read by looking at the rest of the thread.

[Bingle]

Give me some examples of gamma slime interactions you didn’t like prior to today’s.

[Bingle]

I'll give Aus a chance to plead his case out of respect for the request.

[Bingle]

Ughhh. TWW ISO seems like scum/scum with gamma today, and it makes sense that scum would keep me around to tunnel Aus.

I don't wanna make decisions.

[Bingle]

Senate, carry me.

[Bingle]

I was talking generally. I guess I pretty much never die over town RC, though. And we had a killfail N2.

[Bingle]

Hm. Both JK's claim to have kept me on N2, so I was the NK.

I think I'm back to leaning town Gamma again.

[Bingle]

Gamma vote on Slime actually makes more sense if he's not assuming he gets CC'd, which scum would 100% be assuming there.

[Bingle]

From a town JK it's a bad move (You should talk it over before voting) but it's better than 50% scum. He was targeting his strongest scumread and a kill failed, the assumption that slime made the kill is a natural one.

From a scum fakeclaiming, he knows it's going to look bad and presumably isn't the fight he has to win (33% of being the actual JK +/- based on NK information), so there's not much reason to do it in the first place.

[Bingle]

I mean, that assumes that Slime is town; if Slime is scum then it's just awkward distancing, which there has been a significant amount of in the last few days (don't forget Slime's instavote on Gamma at the start of D3 followed by a readlist calling Gamma town).

It makes even less sense if slime is his scum buddy, actually.

[Bingle]

Sorry if I'm wrong, but I've agonized long enough. I need vindication or a crowburger.

VOTE: Austerity

[Bingle]

Slime is due a prod, btw.

I’m not unvoting this time, so if you don’t have doubts on me you have a limited time to make your decision.

[Bingle]

The longer none of the slimes hammers, the better I feel about my vote, tbh.