Micro 881_Tourist Trap | GAME OVER

[Slime Collective]

VOTE: Slime

No daystart PM?

We got drunk last night and were playing Change your password. Sorry.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Water slime is busy and won't be posting for a while. Nevertheless, I managed to read remarkable 45% of the topic. Do you prefer one huge post of my astonishing catch up, or would you rather have it split into many smaller ones?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Alright, I will find different reason to spam this forum.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Everyone claimed not bulletproof and not tracker?

[Slime Collective]

Everyone claimed not bulletproof and not tracker?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

HURT: Inferno's amazing idea to lynch Jingle
Assume cop didn't what to break the game and investigated Jingle.
2/3 of cop being in game. Noone says anything. Jingle is 2/3 conftown.

I also don't think Jingle would call TI on himself if he were scum. Too risky.
Assume there are 2 goons - jingle has 50% of being cough day 2 in exchange for cop reveal.
Assume there is one roleblocker and one goon. Jingle must be SURE who the cop is in order to do samething he did. Is here un obvious cop?

I also find Jingle very sus, I think he was discussing only mechanics, off-topic, but almost never progressed the game. Nevertheless, because of reasons stated above, I restrained from scumreading him.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

*SPOILER FOR AUSTIRITY - MY CATCH UP*

I am not posting my thoughs on COI and Katyusha überteam. Guess why.

Spoiler:

(...)

Inferno390

: You've had plenty of time to peruse my meta, given how long it took this game to start after filling. You're telling me you didn't do

any

research into who you're playing with?

Not scum indicative. Pure NAI.

---

Spoiler:

I mean let’s talk about how you’ve responded to me so far.
There’s the fact that you said I thought you were a threat and when asked why you gave vague statements about me being on other sites or metadiving you
And how when it became clear that I had done neither, you now have crafted a narrative where I attacked you because Jingle respects your game solving ability
And the mocking
And the talking down
And the dismissal of the things I’m saying
And how every time I cockblock one bs reason you give you completely drop it, ignore it, and try to come at me from a different angle

Shall I continue?

And then there’s this:

I get the feeling that Conflict is looking for points of manipulation on the players and/or dipping his toes in the water to see what he’s playing against. I’m going to parse it a little bit later, but it is definitely off.

I think VOTE: Conflict is okay for now. Not sold on it, but it’s worth a couple of looks at.

I thşnk u r town lol
-rf

Followed by silence until 115, at which point you express confusion over me scumreading you (okay) and then in the space of 3 posts without giving me anytime to respond, you hard drop your vote on me with seemingly no change (wtf).

I'm not interested in engaging your bullshit today

My bullshit?
MY bullshit?
YOU were the one who said that I might know your meta because possible offsite reasons
YOU were the one who unfoundedly said I could have metadived you based on a chat with someone in the lobby
Despite the fact that, you know, anyone who had done any sort of research on MY meta would know that I have 9% phone posted for the last year.
YOU are the one mocking me with anime JPGs
YOU are the one talking to me like I’m a little baby newbie
If anyone is putting up with bullshit, it’s me. And I’m putting up with yours.
Well it ain’t gonna work. It takes more that that to shake a ‘ferno

Overdefensive

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Senate's playstyle.
Alright, it's playstyle. Scum might like to keep discussion around mechanics and off-topic, rather than getting so much attention. Slight townlean on him, since this is not a good playstyle to do as scum.

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Spoiler:

How am I derailing today?

You're telling everyone what to do rather than just letting them play.

(And obviously you're allowed and encouraged to request things and interact with people, but what you're doing is far more distracting than that.)

Didn't you townread him?

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Spoiler:

Azorius reads really trolly and distracting. Not liking it.
(...)

NAI

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Spoiler:

Because I don't think they're scum...?

Wynaut?

I explained this one page ago.

They went out of their way to point out they had no reads. That is a great way to get negative attention and pressure on you as scum, and it's completely avoidable because coming up with fake reads is very easy.

Their follow-up explanation about forgetting reads feels genuine too. Scum care a lot more about consistency whereas town just say whatever they're feeling at the time.

Stop publically announcing that you are townreading people for doing literally nothing.

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Spoiler:

Wait I forgot you changed your vote. I legit voted that so day could end and along with that your spam would stop.
VOTE: Azorius

Pro...ba...bly townlean? Would scum do that? Pro..ba...bly not?

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Spoiler:

You're really good at the game as scum too, to be fair. And given how sheepy people are this game I wouldn't be surprised if scum-you can mislynch CoI and walk away without a scratch.

I'd consolidate on CoI over Azorius or TWW, to be sure, but I don't think it needs to happen yet, and especially not with a vacant slot.

Setting possible mislynch. Derailing wagoons, "town leader", I really find this post scummy.[/spoiler]

*END OF SPOILER FOR AUSTIRITY*

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Jingle only called TI on himself after a scum flip, I thought?

Then

sameone

extented it on all cases.

[Slime Collective]

Jingle only called TI on himself after a scum flip, I thought?

Then

sameone

extented it on all cases.

-Parasol Slime (1st hydra)

[Slime Collective]

Granted, if there is a cop, they might have decided to investigate Jingle anyway since he drew attention to himself, or they forgot the part where he only requested the investigation if CoI flipped red.

That's the point...

[Slime Collective]

Spoiler:

Does it read like town pocketing or scum pocketing?
Did you go back to reread his entrance when I called attention to it, or was it a happy accident?

VOTE: Azor

Let's see what happens

RadiantTroubadour (RadiantCowbells + Katyusha)
Conflict of Interest (tn5421 + RedFlavor)



AzoriusSenate

Inferno390

Bows and Bells (MaryJoLisa + Typhon Jam)
TeamWorldwide (Chemist1422 + Osetr + Phone0Ix)
Austerity
Gamma Emerald

Thots?

Oh, hey. No one has followed RC yet.

VOTE: Team Worldwide

Because I don't think they're scum...?

Wynaut?

I explained this one page ago.

They went out of their way to point out they had no reads. That is a great way to get negative attention and pressure on you as scum, and it's completely avoidable because coming up with fake reads is very easy.

Their follow-up explanation about forgetting reads feels genuine too. Scum care a lot more about consistency whereas town just say whatever they're feeling at the time.

I think your reasoning is garbage.

Provide me an alternative wagon of equal or greater value.

Team Worldwide (3) : Radiant Troubadour, Jingle, AzoriusSenate
AzoriusSenate (2) : Conflict of Interest, Gamma Emerald
Conflict of Interest (1) : Inferno390


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting: Bows and Bells,

Austerity

, TeamWorldwide

Really? Cause this doesn't suggest to me that you prefer any wagon, considering neither of your suspects are being voted and you're not voting anyone.

Deciding on a lynch later in the day > lynching anyone right now. Don't put words in my mouth about no-lynching.

Deciding on a lynch later today requires putting pressure on people right now. You know, wagoning, counter wagoning, and generally doing things other than saying "nuh uh I don't wanna lynch that."

VOTE: Gamma

Wagon comp is better than the other one. Let's get some L-1s and reactions going.

VOTE: TWW

Fuck you you're not my robot supervisor.

Out of 198 Jingle's posts, only these can be marked as game progressive. I am not saying they all are. Just "can be marked as".
Extra town points for that fake hammer.

Otherwise, Jingle is only lurking in mechanic talks. - strong scumlean


+ There is the thing with asking TIs to go on him. I townread him for that.

My feelings are very mixed especially since you started attacking that TIs go on him argument.
-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Granted, if there is a cop, they might have decided to investigate Jingle anyway since he drew attention to himself, or they forgot the part where he only requested the investigation if CoI flipped red.

That's the point...

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Yeah, that plan seems to me like it would be better served in landing scum!Jingle into a comfy spot with towncred than it would be in advancing town’s interests. The risk attached to it is that scum!Jingle could get outed by the cop. The only question I have is whether scum!Jingle has a history of making those kinds of risky plays.

I do, but it was irrelevant. The plan was always for investigatives to target as they normally would if there was a townflip, which I thought was tacitly understood.

Slime collective -> presumed hydra, correct? If hidden heads, can you give me a indication of level of understanding of ms meta?

We are not a hydra. We are the Slime Collective!
We are two, my parner is not posting right now. We both... played ~10 games, I guess?
I don't know many people here and hate using meta in games. Is it what you wanted to know?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Out of 198 Jingle's posts, only these can be marked as game progressive

Wrongshade noted.

Wrongshade?
More like reason to scumread you.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Relevant doesn't mean game progressing.
You are talking about mechanics, which makes you look busy, you do surface level relevant posts. Thats all.


-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

3, 18, 22, 26, 31, 33, 37, 47-48 (counting as one, cause it's basically an edit), 51, 57, 59, 62, 63, 68, 69, 73, 74, 75, 79, 97, 98, 107, 111, 114, 224, 226, 271

Note:

1

of these is apparently in the category of "can be marked as game progressive".

What did you want to say by it?

[Slime Collective]

3, 18, 22, 26, 31, 33, 37, 47-48 (counting as one, cause it's basically an edit), 51, 57, 59, 62, 63, 68, 69, 73, 74, 75, 79, 97, 98, 107, 111, 114, 224, 226, 271

Note:

1

of these is apparently in the category of "can be marked as game progressive".

What did you want to say by it?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Jingle I accused you of not doing many game progressing posts.
You can:
1) dive into your ISO to bring these few game progressing posts I didn't notice/ are on border
2) show us your read list and/ or detailed thoughs on few people to prove us you are town

Which of these do you choose?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

3, 18, 22, 26, 31, 33, 37, 47-48 (counting as one, cause it's basically an edit), 51, 57, 59, 62, 63, 68, 69, 73, 74, 75, 79, 97, 98, 107, 111, 114, 224, 226, 271

Note:

1

of these is apparently in the category of "can be marked as game progressive".

What did you want to say by it?

-Parasol Slime

That I want you to defend your stance that non of those "can be marked as game progressive". Because I think it's clearly bullshit.

All birds are animals, while not all animals are birds.

You gave me set of animals, claiming they are birds.
I said your animals are not birds.
You said there is at least one bird in your animals.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Define game progressing, explicitly.

Samething which is likely to push game forward.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

When everything fails, ask for reads.

[Slime Collective]

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

These posts are game progressing, but justmarginally, they help build the conversation, but doesn't push it.
Exception be 26 which slipped my radar.

[Slime Collective]

These posts are game progressing, but justmarginally, they help build the conversation, but doesn't push it.
Exception be 26 which slipped my radar.

-Unsigning Slime

[Slime Collective]

Congratulations. You defended successfully Jingle, now its your turn to call out sameone you find scummy.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Reason?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

clearly fabricated the shit out of a case in a non town indicative way.

The read weren't fabricated, while your posts progress the game, they doesn't progress the game at all. I am missing posts which had impact more than one or two other posts. Stoping/ starting a wagoon, making people reconsider their reads.

To make things clear, I don't think you are scum. Behaviour listed above makes me suspicious, so I pushed you to see if you make same posts I could see as towny. 1143 pinged me as towny, on the other hand, you strongly attacked me back (scummy), so your reactions are so far NAI for me.

[Slime Collective]

clearly fabricated the shit out of a case in a non town indicative way.

The read weren't fabricated, while your posts progress the game, they doesn't progress the game at all. I am missing posts which had impact more than one or two other posts. Stoping/ starting a wagoon, making people reconsider their reads.

To make things clear, I don't think you are scum. Behaviour listed above makes me suspicious, so I pushed you to see if you make same posts I could see as towny. 1143 pinged me as towny, on the other hand, you strongly attacked me back (scummy), so your reactions are so far NAI for me.

-Forgetful Slime

[Slime Collective]

You're really good at the game as scum too, to be fair. And given how sheepy people are this game I wouldn't be surprised if scum-you can mislynch CoI and walk away without a scratch.

(...)

I would like to discuss this post. I personally find it scummy, painting Katyusha-slot as possible scum.
Austerity, what was the motivation behind it?
-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

VOTE: Bingle

That is L-1.
How good scum is Jingle Bingle?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

I am sorry about my absence. I was doing same shopping in nearby town. It's just few days of swimming from here, I really don't get why we are all staying on this island.

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

VOTE: Bows and Bells L-1

This is more for pressure and reactions, rather than lynch (for now).

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

By the way, it's an umbrella, not parasol.

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

*Water Slime uses phagocytosis on Bows and Bells*

[Slime Collective]

Mayor, who are we lynching?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Bows and Bells confirmed scum. Laughing at the death of our deputy mayor? Absurd.

Only because of this?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

The day ends in 3 days, 14 hours

Who else likes pi?

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

Senate, Gamma Emerald, could you state two reasons why we are lynching Bows and Bells?
Bows and Bells, could you offer us three alternative wagoons?
Austerity, could you offer us two reasons why to lynch Bingle?

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

Question.
Bingle is very active.
Can we afford to lynch him with this "activity" level?

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

I declare intent to hammer Bows and Bells

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

l

I declare intent to hammer Bows and Bells

-Water Slime

Also, pagetop.

[Slime Collective]

Pressure VOTE: Gamma for hammer whisout claim.
Lets not put anyone to L-2 unless we decide we want to lynch it.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Not cop.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Not a cop
I think we have a JK, Bingle.
I really don’t see a reason for scum to not lynch here

Also VOTE: Slime Collective for the blatantly obvious scumpush on Gamma.

One of my tools to read people is pushing these who are NULL for me to get their reactions.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

People woke up.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

I feel like Bingle is trying to stymie the scumhunting I'm trying to do here, not cool bruv.

I feel like AS is actively working against the ability of the town to win this game.

I AM the TOWN. I was born in the town and I will die in the town.

Senate claimed town

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

And there is a jailkeeper on loose.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Ok
So now that that’s all settled

When I said there was probably a JK ( and implied there wasn’t a cop)
I forgot one thing
There was cop-doctor setup still possible.
So I assume that Jingle think that I was working off of information I did not have, which would be a “slip”
In reality, I’m just an idiot

But luckily, your scum partner reminded you of the slip in your PT.

[Slime Collective]

Ok
So now that that’s all settled

When I said there was probably a JK ( and implied there wasn’t a cop)
I forgot one thing
There was cop-doctor setup still possible.
So I assume that Jingle think that I was working off of information I did not have, which would be a “slip”
In reality, I’m just an idiot

But luckily, your scum partner reminded you of the slip in your PT.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

I’m going to be really pissed at myself if town loses this game because I screwed up the setup.

Then post read.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

And there is a jailkeeper on loose.

-Parasol Slime

I want to mark this for posterity
Considering we hadn’t even gotten all the claims in yet this seems sus.

Who didn't claim not cop?

[Slime Collective]

You are so nice, that you didn't post anything at all when we were not here.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Alrighty, Water Slime is missing the class, which is bad, because he is the only capable reader of our couple.

I can't scumread. I am decent townreader, my normal staretgy is just pushing people and see if they do towny reactions. My scumreads are useless (and almost non-existing). I will just post here people I townread and then... process of elimination.

STRONGEST TOWNREAD

Azorius Senate

- his playestyle is more likely to come from town, rather than scum. The style makes cop's first choice. Does scum really want that? + there is samewhat towny tone.

Bingle

- after Katyusha-slot dead, he become leader of town. He doesn't push people who he wants to lynch, rather pushes people to make/post reads, be active and lead town. However, he is experienced and I am not sure whether it is likely to come from scum!him too.

Gamma Emerald

- "hammer" vote D1, 1126 seems samewhat towny.

WEAKEST TOWNREAD

UNVOTE: - I understand that push on Gamma wasn't the best I could have done, I wanted to push this, see reaction and potentially confirm my townread on this and then move away on sameone else. Then I left for that trip and forgot to unvote.

Jail Austerity.

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

he has very slight JK equity

May I ask why?

-Parasol Slime

[Slime Collective]

Gamma, if you are jailor (what I think you are), why do you vote us (you *think* that we are scum) and not Austerity (you *know* they are scum).

-Water Slime

[Slime Collective]

I’m tryna conftown myself, btw.

If Gamma is town, you are town as well.

[Slime Collective]

Jailkeepers, would you mind sharing your mind process behind jailing people?

[Slime Collective]

All goes for Water Slime, I guess I don't have to sign when Parasol does it, right?

[Slime Collective]

I’m only CONFIRMED not scum with you, which is pretty useless.

Since vanilla townies counter claims jailkeepers every other game.

[Slime Collective]

Gamma, I am serious here, unvote me, or scums hammer me...

[Slime Collective]

If Gamma is town, you are town as well.

Actually explain this for me. How did you arrive here?

Sorry, though you were with Austerity online at the same time.

[Slime Collective]

Gamma, I am serious here, unvote me, or scums hammer me...

Why are you assuming that Gamma is innocent?

Hammered Bows and Bells without claim. Not a single comment about the fact that they didn't claim, but Gamma commented their gameplay. I was like 75% sure that Gamma is jailkeeper when I read it.

[Slime Collective]

2v3.
Senate, who do you think is scum between our jailkeepers?

[Slime Collective]

I vote for quicklynching Austerity.

[Slime Collective]

Fairly certain Slime is going to end up conf!scum here

Gamma can lynch me tonight and prove that I am not scum.
Lets lynch Austerity before he does the same to me.
VOTE: Austerity

[Slime Collective]

Fairly certain Slime is going to end up conf!scum here

Gamma can

jail

me tonight and prove that I am not scum.
Lets lynch Austerity before he does the same to me.
VOTE: Austerity

[Slime Collective]

UNVOTE:

[Slime Collective]

Will end up lynched.

[Slime Collective]

If Gamma is town, I am dead when Austerity comes back.
Since I am >75% sure Gamma is town, we must lynch VOTE: Austerity before he comes back.
Waiting without voting is more risky than lynching Austerity.

[Slime Collective]

Austerity is almost certainly paired with slime if scum. 95%.

Acknowledged.

[Slime Collective]

I'm not voting Aus without talking to him. You'll have better luck tryna convince Gamma to unvote.

Gamma unvote.

Rushing LYLO is dumb.

Not lynching anyone before to countdown reaches 0 is even dumber.
This time, the countdown is not the one moderator possess, but its determineted by Austeritry and when he comes back.

[Slime Collective]

Nope
VOTE: Gamma

N1 Gamma N2 Bingle N3 Slime.

Why does austerity scum cc a jail keeper with a false guilty?

Newbie. Unexperienced as scum.

[Slime Collective]

You haven't played Town of Salem. You wouldn't believe what are same players capable of.

[Slime Collective]

from an external POV.

?

[Slime Collective]

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm you received your Role PM by

replying with your Role and Alignment

.

[Slime Collective]

So, if Austerity is competent player.
If I am town, Gamma is scum,
and If I am scum, Austerity is scum?

[Slime Collective]

Gamma, if you are jailor (what I think you are), why do you vote us (you *think* that we are scum) and not Austerity (you *know* they are scum).

-Water Slime

Because I wanted your reaction first.
VOTE: Austerity

One more...

[Slime Collective]

Hups, just slipped.
UNVOTE:

[Slime Collective]

Jingle will explain.

[Slime Collective]

Jingle will explain.

I will?

It's obvious.

[Slime Collective]

Anyway, why did you think that I can't be jail?

[Slime Collective]

Anyway, why did you think that I am unlikely to jail?

[Slime Collective]

Anyway, why did you think that I am unlikely to jailor?

[Slime Collective]

It's obvious to me that either you slipped that Austerity is town or you pretended to slip that Austerity is town.

In the former case, you'd unvote because drawing attention to it yourself adds WIFOM. In the latter case, it's because you wanted it to be noticed in the first place.

As a whole it's completely meaningless, aside from the fact that you've conftowned AS.

I suppose we could lynch you now, but I don't see a reason to since the night phase will be Gamma and Austerity cross targeting and we'll have all the same information in a brand new day phase where we still have to resolve the same 1v1.

Well, perheps that "slip" was actually a slip.

[Slime Collective]

No offense, but I’m probably not reading any more of your posts, slime.

[Slime Collective]

Austerity, who is the 2nd scum?
Gamma and?

[Slime Collective]

Always coming back to the 1v1 means always coming back to the 1v1 with the actual jk, not you as a player, in the case that gamma is scum. He doesn’t have to know who they are to be able to pick the 1v1 with them, he just has to claim.

Okay, I see what you mean. Yes, there's no RISK in faking a guilty on your partner. But there is a BENEFIT in faking a guilty on a townie, which is that if you hit the JK their claim suddenly becomes really suspicious.

It’s fascinating to me that you seem to be towncasing someone who is confscum fypov.

Who is confscum?

[Slime Collective]

It’s fascinating to me that you seem to be towncasing someone who is confscum fypov.

Confscum how? Nobody hammertested while they were voting me.

Bingle believes that I am scum.
How about you? Who do you thikk that is scum?

[Slime Collective]

I was arguing that Gamma/Slime was unlikely, which means I think Slime is likely town.

Then who is scum?
Jingle or Senate?

[Slime Collective]

Sure, we lynch in the jk claims. That is true. Slime scumclaimed a page ago though.

...that was obviously a joke no?

Nah, I sliped.
However, I won't tell whether it was townslip or scumslip.

[Slime Collective]

Thank you for defending me, Austerity.

[Slime Collective]

Wrong thread, sorry.

[Slime Collective]

Can you just ignore our last 3 posts?

[Slime Collective]

Very heavily leaning scum Austerity now, btw, and probably not for the reason you think.

More or less heavy than before I started to puh him?

[Slime Collective]

Good, since you are reading me now, why did you think that I am unlikely to be jailkeeper yesterday?

[Slime Collective]

Interesting

What?

[Slime Collective]

VOTE: no lynch

[Slime Collective]

VOTE: Gamma