Micro 883: A Year of Miccros - Game Over

[tris]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Hmm...

[tris]

VOTE: AzoriusSenate

[tris]

Hey all, I don’t participate in random vote slinging

VOTE: Charles510

Hey all, I don’t participate in random vote slinging

VOTE: Charles510

Oh my God! You suck!

VOTE: AzoriusSenate

VOTE: Charles

Why did you decide to make this vote?

I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Clemency. If it's because he's Clemency than is it a truly random vote?

It's not random, but it's arbitrary. Also, you don't meet Clemency.

You

experience

Clemency.

What are your experiences of Clemency? I played with him once, and I don't remember him doing much.

Also. You were new when I played with you last. Would you say you've improved since then?

[tris]

2. The blatant OMGUS.

Why does Mafia blatantly OMGUS?

Well my question was essentially "is only part of your role negative utility or could your role end up being negative utility but you're not certain?" but rereading your post I think it's the latter

I read up on it a little more to answer your question. In doing so, I see I've kinda backed myself into a corner.

I'm a miller

. Mafiascum says there's two ways to play it: hard claim early or play so you don't get cop scanned. I realize now that by asking about how to play a negative utility role, I made it more likely to get cop scanned... so I might as well claim and get it over with.

Must be nice to have been given a game as a Mafia Goon where you had a Miller you could claim and not risk being game-countered.

[tris]

2. The blatant OMGUS.

Why does Mafia blatantly OMGUS?

Well my question was essentially "is only part of your role negative utility or could your role end up being negative utility but you're not certain?" but rereading your post I think it's the latter

I read up on it a little more to answer your question. In doing so, I see I've kinda backed myself into a corner.

I'm a miller

. Mafiascum says there's two ways to play it: hard claim early or play so you don't get cop scanned. I realize now that by asking about how to play a negative utility role, I made it more likely to get cop scanned... so I might as well claim and get it over with.

Must be nice to have been given a game as a Mafia Goon where you had a Miller you could claim and not risk being game-countered.

I wouldn't be surprised if Micc gave the scum team fake flavour claims. He did that in the Pokemon Ruby game he just hosted.

They have the game they're from right?

[tris]

@Espresso Why are you ignoring me and Drew's responses to your vote on Charles?

Pedit: That would be bad because the scum would know who the possible PRs would be.

[tris]

Some games don't have PRs.

[tris]

@Espresso Why are you ignoring me and Drew's responses to your vote on Charles?

Because they were weak questions. I'll humour you anyway.

@tris - Why

doesn't

mafia OMGUS?

I'm not saying that Mafia doesn't. The point of the question was to ask why making those OMGUS votes is more likely to have come from mafia.

I'd rather limit scum's options tbh. Can you point me toward some games that have 0 PRs?

I looked through all the games from 860-876.

860, 861, 863, 865, 866, 867, 868, 871, 873 all had no PRs. That's over half in that range.

[tris]

@Espresso Why are you ignoring me and Drew's responses to your vote on Charles?

Because they were weak questions. I'll humour you anyway.

@tris - Why

doesn't

mafia OMGUS?

I'm not saying that Mafia doesn't. The point of the question was to ask why making those OMGUS votes is more likely to have come from mafia.

I see. In that case:
My reason for voting Charles was primarily my first point. Regarding OMGUS votes, scum can use them to place a vote without having to stand by reasoning. It also looks like he's hiding behind the OMGUS reasoning to get a vote to stick. I'd give him a pass on it if it was RVS, but he said he doesn't participate in RVS.

If he's town, he's not helping us further the discussion with weak votes.

Based on the impression I had of him from seeing him in the Site Chat before he inned for this game, his behavior seems NAI to me. I guess you do have a point about it being odd that he said he doesn't do RVS, but then engaged in RVS behavior. I'd like to hear from him about that.

Ftr, I think Tris is town bcz of our exchange.

Hmm, really? I don't think I made any observations I wouldn't have been able to make as scum.

Tris town, Espresso scum.

VOTE: Esresso

I've read Espresso's first Newbie game before, and I think his play so far is congruent with I remember of that. That could just be his general personality. I'll take a look at that game to refresh my memory. I'd like to hear what you find scummy about him.

@Epsresso Do you have any scum games?

[tris]

VOTE: AzoriusSenate

Pretty scummy.

I don't know whether to believe Drew there or not, but I don't like Azorius.

[tris]

I guess we'll find out when we flip one.

[tris]

That went too fast! And why kill town on purpose?

Where do you see someone intending to kill someone they believe is town? Openly that is. The Mafia are always trying to do that.

[tris]

Azorius, Why did you call for a fast lynch on Espresso?

are we gonna pretend i contributed then

lol

[tris]

Why is that?

[tris]

Azorius you are the only player who contributed literally nothing to discussion say one except for saying you wanted a fast lynch. Now you want to say bring up a short day as an excuse? If you wanted a fast lynch then why are you on Drew? I don't see any town motivation in your play.

My town motivation is this:

I want to

PRESSURE

someone on the block, by putting them on L-1. I apply my vote as a weapon, good sir. I wouldn't ever

HAMMER

someone as Doctor Drew has as a town player. I think we need to shift our focus here.

But, why were you calling for a fast lynch?

[tris]

I will also make a reads post later.

[tris]

Azorius you are the only player who contributed literally nothing to discussion say one except for saying you wanted a fast lynch. Now you want to say bring up a short day as an excuse? If you wanted a fast lynch then why are you on Drew? I don't see any town motivation in your play.

My town motivation is this:

I want to

PRESSURE

someone on the block, by putting them on L-1. I apply my vote as a weapon, good sir. I wouldn't ever

HAMMER

someone as Doctor Drew has as a town player. I think we need to shift our focus here.

so you are admitting that you consciously put him to L-1 without stating that it was L-1?

I think answering this would be too revealing of my playstyle. Either way, it's not relevant.

It is relevant. Not stating that it was L-1 was anti-town. If you can't satisfactorily explain why you didn't, you're probably scum.

[tris]

There's probably one scum between AzoriusSenate and Doctor Drew. I can see now that the talk of speedlynching could have been a way to pressure Espresso, but I still don't understand why Azorius wouldn't mention L-1.

I don't have a read on Clemency. I do have a question. Why did you vote for Charles yesterday?

eth0s generally feels like like he's saying things that come from genuine town thoughts. I would like you to explain why you say 137

NotMySpamAccount, you haven't said much today. What's up?

Charles510: Not really getting much from here. Any reads on anyone other than Drew?

That's a lot of null-reads. Which I guess makes sense considering day 1 was cut short.

[tris]

Both of them? Do you think the plan was to quicklynch espresso, and then have Azorius bus Drew?

[tris]

That's a pretty crazy plan.

[tris]

tris, who do you think drew's scum buddy is?

Whether Azorius or Drew are scum, I can see any of {Clemency, NMSA, Charles} as partners. Which is everyone except ethos basically. Except, I think you're a little less likely a partner with Azorius.

[tris]

I'm going to make a longer post later after work describing my full list of reads for this game.

Is this coming still?

[tris]

I doubt there's a jester. I think Drew is either mafia making excuses or town who legitimately made a mistake.

[tris]

I would be willing to lynch Azorius. I hadn't considered that we might have a jester.

Are you changing your mind on the idea that they're both scum then?

[tris]

I won't fight it, goodbye cruel world.

This is a bad post. I've read the game but I've been lurking, so ask me questions if you want content from me. I'd intent, but I feel like I haven't contributed enough to really do that.

This is a bad post.

[tris]

If you were town you would try to fight it.

Not necessarily. I've seen town give up like this before.

[tris]

That said, I am still of the opinion that he's mafia. I think he's handled the pressure poorly. He's been unable to answer why he's done what he's done.

However, I am not 100% on that, so I don't want him to give up if he's town. Azorius, if you are town, I want an answer to the question about L-1.

[tris]

Oh, another question: Why am i town and eth0s mafia? What makes our votes for you different?

[tris]

I'm also a huge fan of the reads with zero reasoning given. such strong play wow

This, too. He promised an explained reads list and hasn't delivered.

[tris]

wait I can't count. I'm stupid. only set up 2 mls, not three. that was stupidity, not a scumslip.

What do you mean not a scumslip? Why would that be a scumslip?

[tris]

Does anyone have any idea why Clemency was killed?

[tris]

NMSA, you've basically done nothing this game. Why should I believe you are town?

[tris]

VOTE: notmyspamaccount

I got a guilty result. I'm on mobile while on break at work. Gonna look for his partner(s?) when I get home later. I dont expect to find much though since the entire reason I alignment checked him was based on his lurkiness. Hopefully the way his partner(s?) Interacted with him will give us something to work with.

What was your N1 result?

[tris]

VOTE: Drew

[tris]

GG

[tris]

Yeah, things went really well for us.

[tris]

Y'all were just bad in general

oof. really though tris was great, and if I hadn't slipped I might have won that 1v1 from people knowing my meta.

In no way did I think they were lying, your appearance from lurking yesterDay was scummy as shit.

I bet you guys have no idea what my role is lol.

Loyal Doctor

[tris]

I was definitely worried about getting screwed over by PRs since we hadn't found any yet.

[tris]

Gg though. I'm only a night 2 cop btw drew so idk if it would've made that much of an impact. Depends on if I would have to claim the full role or game number I suppose

I was hoping this was the case since you didn't claim a N1 result.

[tris]

Gg though. I'm only a night 2 cop btw drew so idk if it would've made that much of an impact. Depends on if I would have to claim the full role or game number I suppose

wait we could have saved that by killing drew after I was lynched? since you couldn't investigate tris?

It would be between me and Charles then.

[tris]

tris has this thing where i just always find her so trustworthy??
idk she's just always at the top of my town list

I do seem to get townread as either alignment.

[tris]

Ok everyone, tell me everything I did wrong this game.

Not trying to shit on you too much, but just making up your mind on me being scum without looking at all possibilities made you easy for scum to manipulate.

And trust me, I am the LVP here. If I didnt fuck up with the quick hammer the game may have turned out much better for us.

nah azorius played like straight scum and did nothing to defend himself

He did make himself easy to mislynch.

[tris]

My guess would be scum are told 2 or more games which do not have any roles used and they can pick and choose

You were right about this. By the way.

[tris]

No, you just seemed to be one of the more competent players.

[tris]

I used sorcery on the game.

[tris]

I don't know. I don't think I would be confident either way.