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VOTE: Drew

Totally a RVS vote and

definitely

not because you hammered me last time.

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keep an eye on the votes!

What's gonna happen to the votes!!!!??

VOTE: Espresso

Quick, let's lynch here! Drew can hammer!

But actually though - what's gonna happen?

Also, I hate you already. I still have PTSD from that speed lynch last game.

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Why didn't you announce

L-1

?

L-1

announced.

Yeah, this is shady.

Is your vote at all serious?

yeah why not

This is pinging me more than the L-1 thing.


While I don't like the L-1 situation so early, two likely explanations for a town!Dolittle come to mind, among others: 1) Dolittle didn't realize the vote count (which is what happened with Azorius last game), or 2) Dolittle wanted to test for a hammer.

Both situations are bad town play on D1 imo, but I'm hesitant to call them super scummy.

What IS scummy, on the other hand, is Dolittle's noncommittal answer to tris' question about the seriousness of the vote. After realizing tris was at L-1, I imagine that town!Dolittle would put a little more effort into the discussion than, "yeah why not."

I haven't checked the vote count yet, but consider my

unofficial vote

on Dolittle. I'll check back in a few hours, count things up, and vote accordingly.

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Brief reads:
Pretty sure Charles is naturally a scummy player. I think he's scum, but I thought the same last game and was wrong.

Hectic's posting style is annoying + I think it's clouding my read of him. I'll wait for egduf to weigh in.

Liking Doctor Hopson.

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Just the two votes on DrDolittle right now so it's fine to add PRESSURE.
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-H

Thanks.

VOTE: DrDolittle

I believe that's L-2

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UNVOTE:

Jfc, it's like people want to speedlynch today.

Hectic being hectic -- classic

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I haven't checked the vote count yet, but consider my

unofficial vote

on Dolittle. I'll check back in a few hours, count things up, and vote accordingly.

Having said that, I do dislike the over the top caution espressed by Espresso here. Ridiculous.

I, Bobby McHec'ton declare Intent to hammer on Espresso.

Are you just saying this for the oft chance espresso gets to L-1 at any chance?

I'm not kidding when I say this:

Take EVERYTHING Hectic says with a grain of salt. Half of it makes no sense.

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To bring us back on track (*cough* Hectic *cough*), I still want to hear more from Dolittle.

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Glad to see LvE is a voice of reason in the Citceh hydra.

@Doc Hopson. Good catch on Drew being passive. Agreed.

@Charles. To pile onto the questions being lobbed your way, I have a request. Please accompany your reads/stances with WHY you think that way. I followed along last game + think doing this will help us follow your train of thought.

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@Charles. To pile onto the questions being lobbed your way, I have a request. Please accompany your reads/stances with WHY you think that way. I followed along last game + think doing this will help us follow your train of thought.

Your last 3 posts...

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To bring us back on track (*cough* Hectic *cough*), I still want to hear more from Dolittle.

let's dance

No dancing necessary - I'm very happy with your post above. I will have to give Hopson another read. Will comment further when I'm home from work.

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I kinda want to policy Doc H because the hydra shenanigans are going to be a pain.

Icing on the cake that others think Doc H is scummy.

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Interested to hear @Clemency's take on today so far. He had some good insight last game.

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@Mastina hasn't said anything since the Citceh identify reveal. What are your thoughts on their sheepworthiness now?

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@Mastina hasn't said anything since the Citceh

identity

reveal. What are your thoughts on their sheepworthiness now?

EBWOP

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@Mastina hasn't said anything since the Citceh identify reveal. What are your thoughts on their sheepworthiness now?

Actually 26 was before 31.
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Ah kk, good catch.

In any case, I'd like to hear from mastina

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I kinda want to policy Doc H because the hydra shenanigans are going to be a pain.

Icing on the cake that others think Doc H is scummy.

Anything that ends in -Hop is definitely something I post. I think it's reasonable to ignore the rest (except for the two I forgot to do it for that are surrounded by other posts ended in -Hop).

Thanks for the clarification.

Why is it reasonable to ignore your other hydra head?

Why is other people disliking me a good sign? I'd have thought the opposite.

If I want to policy you, it helps that others find you scummy bcz the lynch is more likely to go through.

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Clemency feels like town that people want to buddy.
Tris and Citceh seem fine as a light read.
Espresso could be legitimate or could be positioning. Bears further reading/meta sometime.
Charles could be bad or people are taking advantage of him. Want to hear the meta reads the docs are basing their reads on.
Drew I could see as town. Want to look at their meta though.
Dolittle I dislike.

-Hop

Why do you dislike Dolittle, Hop? It looks like 102 is your Doc hydra head talking.

Can you speak to your Charles read a bit more?

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Hello people. I am here. Let me read the thread again and I will try to come up with some kind of insight or analysis on the game. This is like my second game of mafia in a long time, so please go easy on me. Trying to figure out how to play mafia.

Am I missing an obvious way it benefits mafia?

-Hop

How do you feel about the other comments I've made Charles? You seem to be focusing on very specific things for each player rather than a holistic take.

-Hop

@Charles, I'm '+1ing' Hop's comment re the way you're playing. Your specific responses add to your post count, but they don't seem to be generating much content.

Can you post a list of your reads? Even just a few town and a few scumleans is fine for now. Make sure to include WHY you read ppl the way you do.

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Macro reads list

NB - I'm not really sure how to approach hydra sorting. Imma split the personalities for now + worry about combining them later.

Town

Drew - feels town. Bit of confusion, bit of scum hunting
Doc Hop (Hopkirk) - very active.
Citceh (LvE) - reasonable and diplomatic
DrDolittle - willing to engage in discussion. Scum hunting

Null

Clemency - I agree with his posts, but he hasn't said much
Citceh (Hectic) - annoying posting style.
tris - nothing stood out as super towny

Scum pool

Mastina - lurking and blatant sheeping. Policy candidate.
Doc Hop (Doctor Watson) - derailing convos
Charles - unhelpful posts thus far. Unwillingness to engage in discussion


As a note - my D1 reads usually skew toward activity = town. Lurkers and unhelpful townies make it harder for us to catch scum later, so my general approach is to cut them early before we get to the late game.

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VOTE: Charles

Reasons above

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VOTE: Charles

Reasons above

If this were last game I would vote you here, but you live and you learn. You are playing just like last game, and turned out you were town. So for now I will lean town on you.

But, I don't like the vote on Charles. I get what you don't like about him, but seems more NAI then anything.

You're welcome to disagree with me, but voting me merely out of disagreement is bad form. It's better to look at why I have my view than to judge it on the outcome.

In this case, I am saying that Charles isn't contributing much to discussion, whereas most other are contributing a lot. Here's the argument on which I base this view:

Town who contribute a lot help town, but those who contribute little do not help town. Scum who contribute a lot risk exposing themselves by inconsistencies later in the game, but lurking scum is a relatively safe way to avoid detection.

In light of inactive town being unhelpful and inactive scum being late game threats, my general approach is to lynch inactive people early while we still have room to make mistakes. You usually can't policy a lurker in mylo, but you can in early game.

And the hydras are really getting to me this game, and I guess it is the DocWat head that is bothering me the most. I don't know if I can call it scummy though.

Agreed about the hydras.

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And espresso, we are not policy lynching.

Says you.

We still have a lot of time left in D1 and we'll probably arrive on a decent scumread eventually... but if we don't, I think policy is a valid reason for a vote on D1.

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Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.

Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.

Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

My sincerest apologies. Ignore that please, that was Bobby joking around and conveying clearly flawed logic in jest.

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Hmm, hydra heads are a convenient excuse to wave away inconsistent stances. Something to keep an eye on in the future.

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Charles, what happened to wanting to engage and discuss? You didn't answer my question, buddy.

-Hectic/SereneAh

+1.

Also, @Charles: I made a request of you earlier in the thread. I would like you to engage by doing that request. I see that you've discussed a bit of your scumread(s), but I'm more interested to hear about your town reads + why.

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I am saying that Charles isn't contributing much to discussion, whereas most other are contributing a lot.

What do you mean? I've contributed a lot more than some people.

See my above post regarding my earlier request. In sum, I want to hear your big-picture thoughts on the game thus far.

Also, what are your thoughts on Mastina?

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Is this vote on me because you mafiaread me, or was it borne of frustration at Bobby insisting you knew each other?

Both, tricking people into thinking we have some history together seemed kind of scummy to me.

Why would claiming to be mafia be a scumtell?

-Hop

It certainly doesn't help town.

does it help mafia?

Anything that causes confusion helps mafia I think.

To be fair to Charles, these are good posts at defending his stance on the Doc Hop vote.

I don't agree that the Doc Hop fake mafia claim was scummy, but I like that Charles is willing to discuss it.

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Also, what are your thoughts on Mastina?

Mastina has only posted twice. What is there to have thoughts on? Probably lurking scum.

Noted. Thanka for this.

Anything on my other questions?

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Charles, what happened to wanting to engage and discuss? You didn't answer my question, buddy.

-Hectic/SereneAh

+1.

Also, @Charles: I made a request of you earlier in the thread. I would like you to engage by doing that request. I see that you've discussed a bit of your scumread(s), but I'm more interested to hear about your town reads + why.

I don’t have any town reads yet. I have scum reads and then that leaves everyone else town. You don’t vote for town, you vote for your best scum read.

I recall a few experienced players laying out a convincing argument to me stating that it's easier to find town than scum. therefore, it's more consistent if you can establish a town core then vote for people outside of it. I can link you a game if you're interested in seeing this in action.

The fact that you have no town reads yet is pretty suspicious. Of the people not in your scum reads, can you put them on a spectrum from most to least town?

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To clarify - yes, you vote for your scumread, but it's equally (if not more) important to develop town reads.

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Well played, all! My bad on the doctor mishap :/