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Post Post #600  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:33 pm

VC 1.15

Coalitions:
Hectic (5 - a): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
EspressoPatronum (5 - a): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
Alchemist21 (5 - b): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39, RC most awesomest
NC 39 (5 - b): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Lil Uzi Vert NC 39, RC most awesomest
Spangled (5 - c): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, YOUAREGREAT
RC most awesomest (5 - d): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, RC most awesomest
YOUAREGREAT (5 - e): EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, Spangled, YOUAREGREAT

Gamma Emerald (2): Gamma Emerald, RC most awesomest

Lil Uzi Vert (0):

Lynch:

Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): NC 39, Alchemist21

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).
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Post Post #601  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:20 pm

HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39

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Post Post #602  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:53 pm

In post 601, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39


What’s the reason for this swap?
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Post Post #603  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:23 pm

Had a busy day today. Catching up now.

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Post Post #604  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:29 pm

Keeping track of who's in the coalitions is getting difficult. I'll do mine from scratch for clarity.

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Post Post #605  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:33 pm

Doesn't sit well with me that Spangled and Great have each other in their coalitions.

Still pretty sure Hectic is fine, but I'll go with the group here.

It pains me to put LUV in, but again, I'll go with the group.

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Post Post #606  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:35 pm

HURT: everyone

HEAL: Espresso, NC, RCMA, LUV, Gamma

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Post Post #607  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:04 am

In post 597, YOUAREGREAT wrote:@NC
i didn't clarify it very well in my catch-up post, but i'm starting to feel that you are town. i think your evaluation of LUV's alignment was solid and well-articulated, and i think my initial evaluation of your play was too harsh. on top of that, your interaction with hectic made me feel like it wasn't likely you were teamed. since hectic is my top scumread, that's another reason why i'm changing my read on you.

In post 552, RC most awesomest wrote:@youaregreat

we have a pretty good amount of overlap in our coalitions. why should i townread you

-nsg


a better question would be: do you have any reason to think that i'm not town?


While this is definitely better, it kind of concerned me that your read on me was in anyway linked to Hectic. I liked his reaction to being dumped from the coalition but I can understand that’s not enough to justify keeping him in it.
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Post Post #608  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:07 am

In post 598, YOUAREGREAT wrote:HEAL: LUV, Gamma Emerald, Spangled, Expresso, YOUAREGREAT


You’re not tr RCMA? Like if they were scum here, you’d see RC continue to post and nsg flake.
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Post Post #609  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:08 am

In post 602, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 601, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39


What’s the reason for this swap?


I’d like to know that too.
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Post Post #610  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:14 am

In post 572, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.14

Coalitions:
Hectic (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
EspressoPatronum (5): EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
NC 39 (5): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled
Spangled (5): EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled, YOUAREGREAT

Alchemist21 (4): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest
RC most awesomest (4): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Lil Uzi Vert, RC most awesomest

Gamma Emerald (2): Gamma Emerald, RC most awesomest

YOUAREGREAT (0):
Lil Uzi Vert (0):

Lynch:

Lil Uzi Vert (2): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
Hectic (2): YOUAREGREAT, Spangled
Spangled (1): RC most awesomest
Alchemist21 (1): Hectic
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): NC 39, Alchemist21

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. [b]Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-12 18:00:00).


Holy fuck, we better get this settled.
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Post Post #611  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:38 am

In post 606, EspressoPatronum wrote:HURT: everyone

HEAL: Espresso, NC, RCMA, LUV, Gamma


I’m still tr Alchemist but but having no consensus coalition is proscum. @nsg, I want a reason for your 180 because I think removing Alchemist is a mistake but there isn’t enough time left to fight you, so I’ll sheep this.

I swear if anyone wants to remove Espresso, I’m seriously giving up on this game.

HURT: Alchemist

HEAL: Gamma

@nsg, are you ever planning to answer my Hecking question?

How is it that you have a read on everyone else but him?
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Post Post #612  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:17 am

In post 577, RC most awesomest wrote:maybe you forgot that when i said "4 spots in my coalition", the fifth spot was me?

in fact, i don't think you actually read .

it's really interesting to me to see you go gung-ho about a coalition that doesn't include you, though. if i'm to continue my spiral of confirmation bias when it comes to your being scum, obviously it would point towards your partner being among one of those people. i think even from a standpoint of not previously scumreading you, an argument could be made that that interpretation makes sense – after all, you were just talking about . passing a coalition that doesn't include you doesn't seem to me like the actions of someone who only trusts themselves, but that's just me.

-nsg

:facepalm:
I just copied wholesale from that post; I did not have much time and I was just trying to get something going.
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Post Post #613  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:24 am

In post 601, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39

Wait, why NC 39 and not GREAT?

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Post Post #614  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:36 am

In post 605, EspressoPatronum wrote:Doesn't sit well with me that Spangled and Great have each other in their coalitions.

Why? I could say the same of many pairs of people.

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Post Post #615  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:38 am

In post 613, Spangled wrote:
In post 601, RC most awesomest wrote:HURT: alchemist
HEAL: nc39

Wait, why NC 39 and not GREAT?

I mean, I don’t mind this; I think they’re probably both town, but I do feel better on GREAT than on NC 39. What is the reasoning here?

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Post Post #616  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:42 am

Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?

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Post Post #617  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:59 am

In post 579, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 574, Spangled wrote:
In post 561, Spangled wrote:
In post 553, RC most awesomest wrote:so i think i have about 5 people to fill 4 spots in my coalition so basically i need to exclude one person

luv, espresso, gamma, alchemist, youaregreat

haven't really put in the effort to read nancy at all this game and it might be too late to do that (or thats just an excuse for me being lazy)

hopefully at most only one scum is in that group or i shall look Foolish

anyways i guess right now i lean towards excluding youaregreat. maybe i should reread alchemist

-nsg

Look, if you’re cool taking Alch out of there, I can get behind that coalition.

This is the coalition that we’re doing, I think — I am not cool adding Alch in.
HURT: EspressoPatronum, NC 39, RC most awesomest, Spangled, YOUAREGREAT
HEAL: luv, espresso, gamma, alchemist, youaregreat
Let’s go; we gotta get it moving.


Why are you putting in all 5 of those names when NSG was trying to figure out which one to exclude? They’re not going to exclude themselves and it’s weird you’re excluding both yourself and the player’s list you’re copying but including a guy you’re not cool with adding. It just doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, no, I copied it straight thinking (for whatever reason) that it was nsg’s actual coalition rather than 1-exclude-list. I’m excluding myself because nsg’s force of personality (and reputation, or something) is much greater than mine — a coalition with me in it will not go through while nsg is semi-blindly scumreading me.

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Post Post #618  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:06 am

@nsg
Could you elaborate on your reasons for scumreading me? It doesn’t have to be toDay; we’re pressed for time, I get that, but at some point could you talk about why you scumread me in great detail.

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Post Post #619  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:34 am

In post 616, Spangled wrote:Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?


You and GREAT are both practically chomping at the bit to string up Hecking. I don’t sr Hecking and neither does Espresso. Who else are either of you sr rn?

I mean, you even have a post, trying to determine his buddy - before the dude’s even flipped.

We only get a finite number of mislynches, I read in one of the linked games, that’s 3, that’s why I’m tr Alchemist, he has the correct focus - on coalition > lynching.

You should be far more concerned with the level of towniess of the coalition. What is your opinion on the NC/Espresso/RC/ Gamma/LUV coalition? If you’re tr both GREAT and me, why is it my slot in particular you’d want to switch?
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Post Post #620  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:26 am

In post 619, NC 39 wrote:
In post 616, Spangled wrote:Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?


You and GREAT are both practically chomping at the bit to string up Hecking. I don’t sr Hecking and neither does Espresso. Who else are either of you sr rn?

I mean, you even have a post, trying to determine his buddy - before the dude’s even flipped.

We only get a finite number of mislynches, I read in one of the linked games, that’s 3, that’s why I’m tr Alchemist, he has the correct focus - on coalition > lynching.

You should be far more concerned with the level of towniess of the coalition. What is your opinion on the NC/Espresso/RC/ Gamma/LUV coalition? If you’re tr both GREAT and me, why is it my slot in particular you’d want to switch?

So... you think Hectic will be a mislynch?
I also don’t think that a focus on coalition > lynching is a good reason to tr someone; everyone’s doing that, but that might mean that we miss out on a lynch; a lynch that if we don’t do, we throw away one of our mislynches almost just as much.

I wasn’t going for you in particular, I just think that GREAT’s been really townie (although weirdly less so of late), and I thought that you seemed to be the most negotiable slot to nsg... but it’ll be right; I reckon both of you are probably town, so...

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Post Post #621  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:30 am

In post 618, Spangled wrote:@nsg
Could you elaborate on your reasons for scumreading me? It doesn’t have to be toDay; we’re pressed for time, I get that, but at some point could you talk about why you scumread me in great detail.

Or even if you don’t want to talk to me about that you could at least try and engage with me rather than levelling of a few sarcastic posts my way and otherwise ignoring me. I do not get why you’re doing this, especially as you’ve admitted you’ve been ‘confbiasing’ toward scum!me.

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Post Post #622  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:51 am

I’ve been back on forth on Hectic the entire game and wasn’t too happy when Nero added him
to the coalition without consulting me but I read his post post being dumped from the coalition as super townie. While he clearly was unhappy about it, that unhappiness seemed to be more about being sad for not being tr, rather than scum being desperate and survivalistic.

Wrt to GREAT, I honestly don’t know what to make of her. I know I really hated her 1st catchup, the current one was a bit better but meh? I’ve never played this setup past D1 and I recall most of the players in Skitter’s game, completely ignoring the lynch altogether. I’m very frustrated with nsg. She makes reads without ever explaining them, which would be really helpful.

Why did she swap me and Alchemist? I have absolutely no clue. This is probably setup realated since she was a lot more forthcoming in other games she’s been in.
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Post Post #623  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:44 am

hi, I am still alive.
unfortunately, also very busy so I'll catch up on this game in approximately 5 hours

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Post Post #624  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:15 am

In post 611, NC 39 wrote:@nsg, are you ever planning to answer my Hecking question?

How is it that you have a read on everyone else but him?

shrug

i guess he's just the most null to me.

In post 621, Spangled wrote:Or even if you don’t want to talk to me about that you could at least try and engage with me rather than levelling of a few sarcastic posts my way and otherwise ignoring me. I do not get why you’re doing this, especially as you’ve admitted you’ve been ‘confbiasing’ toward scum!me.

i'm not trying to be sarcastic towards you, sorry if that's how i'm coming across.

ideally we win today and the whole point is moot. if that doesn't happen i'll try to be a bit more wordy.

In post 622, NC 39 wrote:I’m very frustrated with nsg. She makes reads without ever explaining them, which would be really helpful.

Why did she swap me and Alchemist? I have absolutely no clue. This is probably setup realated since she was a lot more forthcoming in other games she’s been in.

that was RC, not me. (i'm still signing my posts)

-nsg

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