Micro 888 - Vengeful 7P (Game Over!)

[RadiantCowbells]

I am fairly confident I have 2 scum and neither of them are the leading wagons

can everyone kindly unvote and then I'll share my thoughts

[RadiantCowbells]

unofficial VC 1.1

NorwegianboyEE -
Charles510 - Heaven, eth0s
Heaven - NorwegianboyEE
eth0s - Blatant Scum, Charles510

okay nevermind no one's on L-1 like I thought

posting soonish

[RadiantCowbells]

it's better for scum to quickhammer town than to get consecutively lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not sure how I totally misread the votes but ok

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm having a hard time getting into this game due to the super lack of discussion, and I'm pretty bad at starting some when the game is in a state like this so I won't really fight a lynch on me. Pretty sure I will hit scum with a vengeful shot anyway so lets do it baby

I'm having a hard time getting into this game due to the super lack of discussion, and I'm pretty bad at starting some when the game is in a state like this so I won't really fight a lynch on me. Pretty sure I will hit scum with a vengeful shot anyway so lets do it baby

Town would fight a lynch. This is scum giving up

yeah obviously there is so much evidence against me and so many thought provoking posts made this game, how will could I even fight back?!

if you're town this is really trashy and anti-town
lynching scum D1 makes the setup almost unwinnable for scum, even if you think that you're going to venge correctly you still owe your team to give the game your all to try to show them you're town.
i'm unsure of your alignment aorn but I don't want to end up losing this game because you couldn't be assed to defend yourself.

[RadiantCowbells]

keep in mind that if you're town, half of the players that aren't you are scum. when you play pro-scum you let scum play pro-scum and hide in the noise.
this game is essentially unwinnable for scum if you treat this game like any other game of mafia and scumhunt properly.

this goes @everyone

[RadiantCowbells]

it's borderline unforgivable that in a game size this small there's not a single one of you i can confidently pick out as never scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

actually heaven is town I think

i dunno like. i can see a universe where he's having a strong game as scum but like if there's 3 town and not one of you is actually trying i'm not sure how town was supposed to win

[RadiantCowbells]

maybe if i keep dropping references to the number of non-me townies everyone will townread me

[RadiantCowbells]

anyway none of this should matter anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: norwegianee

so let's talk about this

Come on, you’re just grasping at straws here.

Your reads are shit. We’ve barely started the game and somehow you think you’ve figured it all out.

None of your reads are valid Heaven. Come back with something better next time.

Forming reads based on almost nothing is either scum or really bad townie play.

these are not things that town says to someone that they're scumreading. these are things that scum says to town to bully them off of the reads that they're following
i've seen these quotes with mildly different contexts over and over as scum retaliating to town votes
he does back off and pretend that he's "trying to sort" whether he's an idiot town or scum but even there he's browbeating heaven into rescinding some of the reads

those reads being

Norwegian, ethos, charles scum.

Easy game.

the thing is i actually kinda buy this readslist as having been 100% correct
charles and norwegian are the two worst slots in the game BY FAR and ethos has made a bunch of really shit AtE that could easily have been scum

going further into norwegian's associatives he attacks Heaven for his shit/invalid reads (implying Charles town), then backs off to neutral, saying there's not enough to form a read
then we get

I'm having a hard time getting into this game due to the super lack of discussion, and I'm pretty bad at starting some when the game is in a state like this so I won't really fight a lynch on me. Pretty sure I will hit scum with a vengeful shot anyway so lets do it baby

Town would fight a lynch. This is scum giving up

This is scum falling for the most obvious bait ever.

Vote early and often, that’s my policy

How are we supposed to put pressure on suspects if everyone switches their votes all the time? Or was that not what you meant?

calls Charles scum falling for the most obvious bait ever but then doesn't vote him
and then backs off to asking a random pointless question that doesn't actually mean anything

meanwhile from charles's side, he calls blatant scum blatant town for absolutely no given reason using a bunch of quotes that don't actually indicate that blatant scum is town in any way
calls ethos scum for absolutely no given reason

I'm an idiot, don't mind me. But, that does not imply that I am town or scum.

argues not that he's town but that there's no evidence to imply that he's town or scum

so these two are pretty transparently both scum individually as well as scum together. ethos is ehhhhh because Charles reactionary voted them for saying that he'd vote Charles/Norwegian
i dunno I'm hoping one of these two is godfather, if not I think it's at least plausible that ethos is in fact third scum but i do think for sure charles/norwegian is two

[RadiantCowbells]

voting norwegian because I'm feeling them as more likely GF aorn but assuming I was right and they flip non-gf scum I'm never unvoting charles

[RadiantCowbells]

Also I should be super clear about this as early as possible

scum are

100%

going to retaliate to this by pushing me as scum. there's no path to victory from letting me take over the game and systematically eliminate scum.
if you're town and have any uncertainty about my alignment you need to engage with me about this. don't low effort the game and let scum lead a lynch on me.

if you're scared of the prospect of sorting me, the way to do it is through testing the alignment of the people i lynch. not through lynching me day 1 and forfeiting what should be autowin.

[RadiantCowbells]

everyone respond to 110 in their next post pls.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not picky on order as long as both die.

[RadiantCowbells]

i also think as a general policy it's more likely that a person with 0 votes is scum than a person with 2 votes
so i think this is the safer vote as well as more likely to actually end the game

but i wouldn't not hammer charles if I had the chance.

[RadiantCowbells]

you didn't give a read on either of them, notably.

[RadiantCowbells]

You seem to care an awful lot about expressing just how terrible his RVS read is.

[RadiantCowbells]

Charles is posting elsewhere but not reacting here to my push on him.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also considered that and that's kinda what I meant wrt it being better to lynch the slot that less people openly scumread.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you townreading Charles by the way

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm down for Norwegian before Charles. Actually have some doubts about Blatant, so his attempt to get Charles first doesn't look good to me.

My theory was that Charles is GF and RC scum. I wanted to see his reaction.

I find it really, really implausible that you believe this as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Two reasons.

1) I feel like my entrance was objectively obvtown. I won't argue this because I think that if you want to say otherwise, you can find some reason that sounds reasonable not to agree. Do you know anything about me outside of this game?

2) in my experience, newbies heavily trend towards underweighting the likelihood of bussing rather than underrating it. This is true whether you have off-site experience or not; the occurrence of bussing on MS is far higher than on other sites. I find it weird that's the first conclusion you'd jump to even if you scumread me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Should read rather than overweighting it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you have some kind of a problem with me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I dunno you just spent several posts calling me town then threatened to venge me if you got lynched. That's really weird! Do you typically threaten to vengekill your townreads or is it because it's me?

[RadiantCowbells]

(everyone) do you think RC is scum/ town/ null?

why is this the question that you're asking right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

sorry like what? you have two people at l-1 and a swing voter who hasn't posted in several days and several votes on one of the two wagons with barely any explanation
i've explained why my vote is where it is and i've explained where my reads are beyond that. charles has 0 posted since i came in and showed you guys why he's scum.

why if you're town is your focus right now on my slot as opposed to literally any of the others that you could be thinking about if you're not trying to take advantage of Ethos's expressed intent to paranoia venge me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don’t like how Ethos is defending Charles while pushing the wagon on me. Seems like he could be defending his scum teammate. If i get lynched i’ll probably veng kill him tbh.

also he's literally calling charles scum as well yet voting elsewhere

pretty sure i was wrong on it being 3/3 and it's just charles/norway/blatant scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Norwegian, who are you shooting tonight?

Should I interpret this as a scumslip or as an attempt to subtly imply Norwegian is town? Some kind of signal for him to start talking about that, maybe?

Don't actually know if there's daychat or not.

@Mod

, do scum have daychat?

Actually yeah this really reads like a prompt

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually that looks bad either way tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

this game is a meme

[RadiantCowbells]

Charles has been around over and over, never posted here though.

[RadiantCowbells]

someone said junkochan was town right after they posted junk so the rest of this game should be easy

[RadiantCowbells]

Junk is town I think

we did it boys ethos is next scum

[RadiantCowbells]

for a moment i was reconsidering my norwegian read because i actually thought that norwegian was the godfather with how hard the cw attempt was but i think its more likely scum just didn't want to bus
i think that exactly 1/2 of Heaven/NorwegianEE is scum at this point and i think the quickhammer makes a lot more sense if they were making sure scum!norway didn't get lynched d1
like i think I have a striking tendency to insert my own competency and views of scum play into scum and see complicated plans where there isn't any

but i think that like from an outside point of view the obvious/lowhangingfruit answer is that norwegian/ethos was SvT and scum all inned on bringing ethos down and generally when i go for those lhf reads i'm right

like if it's blatantscum/heaven/bitmap which would make sense with bs fishing both of the wagons for their venge then i don't see why bitmap quickhammers in a way that looks really bad
kinda think scum were all in hoping that ethos would make a gamethrow venge; if scum were split between two town wagons i think bitmap would have made a show of indecision
whereas you assume that norway is scum and everything really falls into place

i also find it really, really hard to believe that there's even 1 town in norway/bs/charles let alone two so there's that

VOTE: Norwegian

[RadiantCowbells]

even the 'oh norway was godfather' read that i changed is overcomplicated kinda because the -defend your buddies- motivation exists whether or not your team loses outright

[RadiantCowbells]

i think it's exactly BS/Norwegian like 95% of the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

another thing that occurred to me: norwegian explicitly expressed intent to vengekill eth0s, whom we know to be town. unless you think the team is exactly rc/heaven scum could have hammered him and won the game outright.

[RadiantCowbells]

tbh charles's posting is terrible but it's not necessarily scummy as much as it's bad.

it's not hard to see that coming from derptown.

BS is actually scummy.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not even clearing heaven like he'd be a vague townlean in another game but the gamestate does heavily heavily heavily suggest that he's town if i'm right on norway

[RadiantCowbells]

did mafia just become easier or do people not try as scum or what's with these games where the entire scumteam is pretty easily solved from a few minutes in the game

[RadiantCowbells]

Let's go with

73% BS/Norwegian
21% Charles/Norwegian
6% some scumteam that doesn't include norwegian

[RadiantCowbells]

this game is soul crushing.

[RadiantCowbells]

is what I see as obvious truly obvious?

[RadiantCowbells]

town were supposed to have a vengekill btw

[RadiantCowbells]

town were supposed to have a vengekill btw

[RadiantCowbells]

it's been run both ways

more balanced to do both days imo

dont think it mattered

[RadiantCowbells]

townies in this game really need to rethink how they generated their reads because people townread a shit ton of scum and every scum was obvscum.

[RadiantCowbells]

What made you think that people were scum and not scum?