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[Ankamius]

what did I sign up for

[Ankamius]

VOTE: dweller

[Ankamius]

Btw how many of you are newer players?

I know both heads of the hydra, Enter, and have recently played with ceejay, but the rest of you I have no idea about

This will affect how I approach the game

[Ankamius]

I'm asking about experience with the game, not skill level.

[Ankamius]

Tldr

[Ankamius]

Yes please

[Ankamius]

I'm asking about experience with the game, not skill level.

I've been playing on and off for about a year, still not very good at it.

How does knowing our experience change your approach towards the game?

it changes how I view certain actions alignment-wise

[Ankamius]

[Transition line that excuses double post while simultaneously explaining why I want to open the game with a couple questions here]

@All: Hi.

1. How are you?

I am fine, thank you for asking.

2. Have you done anything fun lately?

Yes.

3. Do you like playing as the mafia?

I think so. It depends on my partner.

4. Who here have you played with?

Ankamius, chennisden

6. What name/abbreviations are acceptable to refer to you by this game?

See post script.

7. Did you answer all the questions?

Yes.

5. What is your favorite color?

Entercee

Just in case anyone's wondering, this wasn't a mistake, for this game, I'd like to be referred to only as "Entercee," BTW.

1. Hungry
2. No I don't ever do anything fun
3. Yes, it's more fun than town a lot of the time
4. Enter, chennisden, volxen, ceejayvinoya
5. Purple
6. Ank, Anka, Alyssa are all fine
7. No

[Ankamius]

Ok I have 4 townreads after reading through again

See you all tomorrow

[Ankamius]

Ok I have 4 townreads after reading through again

See you all tomorrow

What the hell man?

You give me a cliffhanger, "I've solved half the game" statement into afking?

FOR SHAME! For shame for keeping me in suspense! For shame of not gracing me with at least their names! For shame in your mortal need to sleep! For shame dear Ankamius!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ankamius

I want to hear this climax now! M. Night Shamamamla me!

Cliffhangers are the best part of any story

[Ankamius]

Maybe one of my townreads was wrong

Altina is not pleased

[Ankamius]

You can try

[Ankamius]

I feel like there is a smurf in this game.

[Ankamius]

Correct

[Ankamius]

I'm getting a migraine trying to parse your posts

[Ankamius]

I have a specific reason for not outing my thoughts at this point

Trust me, it's -EV for town if the worst case scenario is in effect, and I don't have the information to judge that at this point.

[Ankamius]

Where is volxen

[Ankamius]

Interesting

I think I have a good bead on blatant scum now

[Ankamius]

Hi skitter

I'm close to a solve so obvtowning would be great ty

[Ankamius]

The game I deathtunneled you all game

[Ankamius]

Nice skitter is town

[Ankamius]

Okay I don't have to worry anymore about worst case scenario

Enter is town
Holden is town
Skitter is town
Ceejay is town

Blatant Scum should be an easy read

Done.

[Ankamius]

I feel dweller is obvscum but I'm not pulling the trigger on that yet

[Ankamius]

I need to sleep now

Good night

[Ankamius]

I like how chenn says he's annoyed with me thinking I solved the game on page 8 and then practically agreeing with me immediately afterwards

It's a nice touch

[Ankamius]

Enter I actually rolled scum again

Don't run into another FotM pls

[Ankamius]

I'm going to lol if all 3 scumlord slots are town

[Ankamius]

Dweller's ISO is a scum ISO

Atm I think heaven is the partner but I need more time to lock it in

[Ankamius]

Skitter/me/hydra

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

[Ankamius]

Ankamius
Enter
Skitter30
HoldenGolden
We Only Bus as Town (Chennisden + Volxen)
ceejayvinoya
Blatant Scum
Heaven
dweller

[Ankamius]

I'd be surprised if they were scum with dweller

[Ankamius]

Btw as a note

If dweller flips scum, the hydra is instantly my #1 scumread

[Ankamius]

Town sorry

[Ankamius]

Skitter are you doing the thing again

[Ankamius]

Enter why do you connect 202 with 199 instead of the post that discusses skitters play as either alignment made only a few minutes before it?

[Ankamius]

Btw as a note

If dweller flips scum, the hydra is instantly my #1 scumread

I dont get it, why

Skitter are you doing the thing again

Idk, what thinf are you talking about?

Chenn and Volxen both aren't doing what I'd expect them to be doing as town

[Ankamius]

Look at the timestamps of those posts and the ones in between, then what every post is about

[Ankamius]

200-201 Enter

I'm townreading the hydra because of my scumread on dweller

The read becomes a scumread if dweller is town

[Ankamius]

Chenn is scumreading dweller?

That's news to me!

[Ankamius]

You're the only slot that both has no content and has a lot of self-awareness to them

[Ankamius]

Enter was I wrong on your alignment?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Enter

[Ankamius]

Why are you nervous, Ank?

Chenn is scumreading dweller?

That's news to me!

:P

VOTE: ankamius

I could ask the same thing of you sir

[Ankamius]

if you're legit town this game then you know how I play a lot less than you think you do

but the easier answer is that you made 240 because you didn't know how to respond to 239.

[Ankamius]

pagetop

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Enter

you know how I play a lot less than you think you do

[Ankamius]

VOTE: dweller

[Ankamius]

first of all skitter

did you reach the same conclusion that Enter did about what I said?

239 was me saying that his conclusion was wrong.

[Ankamius]

I made 240 because 239 looks like someone's nervous and doesn't know how to respond to certain accusations, so they crack jokes about other people writing things they don't mean or in orders that don't make sense.

you know how I play a lot less than you think you do

[Ankamius]

You're the only slot that both has no content and has a lot of self-awareness to them

That is not alignment indicative. what if I am a town and I do not want to give much info.

what you do under pressure decides between the two.

[Ankamius]

ok I'll break this down even more

I think WOBAT is more likely to be scum than town
dweller is a stronger scumread
if dweller is scum, WOBAT is much more likely to be town
therefore, WOBAT is town unless dweller is town

[Ankamius]

you should read anuket topaz again Enter

[Ankamius]

if dweller is scum, WOBAT is much more likely to be town

This is where the logic breaks down for me

1. Whats the relationship between wobat and dweller
2. Does this only apply to wobat, or to other people you scumlean as well

Like i just dont get what A has to do with B

chenn is better as scum than to play the way he is if he's scum with dweller

[Ankamius]

unvote when

[Ankamius]

skitter

219 was the error, I said if dweller flips town, then the hydra is scum

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

oh

my vote WAS on dweller

I thought it was on Holden

[Ankamius]

that...

makes this entire exchange make a lot more sense

[Ankamius]

lemme ask this first :

Ank are you town?

no.

[Ankamius]

exactly what it says, skitter.

chennisden isn't playing like I'd expect him to as town
Volxen isn't playing like I'd expect him to as town

I don't think they're aligned with dweller because this same style of play doesn't make sense if the two are aligned

[Ankamius]

because people don't expect it

[Ankamius]

Ank you said something about scumlord slots. what is meant by that?

players with a reputation of having a good scumgame

[Ankamius]

Am I going to have to dump all my thoughts out here for the game to progress or

[Ankamius]

Btw Enter

Do you know volxen at all?

[Ankamius]

I'm going to look at some town!Volxen games at some point

But I'm fairly certain in a vacuum that post is just scum!volxen lol

[Ankamius]

Ftr I agree that heaven seems fake

[Ankamius]

ha
ha
ha

fuck

[Ankamius]

how long do I have to wait before you two realize that you're having a TvT spat

[Ankamius]

you have the most bizarre playstyle skitter

you consistently come off as really confident in 1v1s and then it evaporates once the 1v1 ends

like what

[Ankamius]

like 8

[Ankamius]

skitter falls under the same category as the duck for me where we struggle to read each other and generally there's a deathtunnel from one or the other every time we're in the same game

but I actually think that she's out of her scumrange

[Ankamius]

why would she be in your scumrange in the first place enter

[Ankamius]

pretty sure scum!me ignores you

[Ankamius]

skitter do you remember what I told you a while back about how to read me

am I playing to that standard?

[Ankamius]

why would she be in your scumrange in the first place enter

I don't think I would have much difficulty faking the process from skitter, do you?

I don't think I'd have an extended debate like that as scum in the first place

especially not in real time like that

[Ankamius]

I'm MORE confrontational as scum than town

[Ankamius]

I'm a mastermind scum, skitter

am I masterminding?

[Ankamius]

well I'm actually a mastermind town too

but it's like... very different

I'm much more blatant and in the open about it as town

[Ankamius]

my brain wanders every time I go back to this thread

idk why

[Ankamius]

i think skitter is more likely town than not

i guess holden town

enter is town

wobat is scummy
heaven is scummy
dweller is scummy but i can't tell if he's newbtown or not

blatant scum is prob town

i don't have a read on cj

[Ankamius]

uhhhhh in case it didn't come across

copy pasting was meant to show that I'm in a similar spot and not as a way of mocking skitter's reads

[Ankamius]

I'm very confused as to how you got to that conclusion at that time enter

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Town Busser

[Ankamius]

Volxen is scum.

See you after work

[Ankamius]

Why are you all posting my selfies

[Ankamius]

Watch, it's FL fucking with us

[Ankamius]

Ngl if you were FL, I'd just policy you

No joke

[Ankamius]

LUV seems town but I'm not convinced his scumrange didn't expand yet

so

[Ankamius]

sure

[Ankamius]

does he not

[Ankamius]

dam

[Ankamius]

Hi I've posted

[Ankamius]

this game is falling apart at the seams

oh god

[Ankamius]

I take it back

This conversation is real interesting

[Ankamius]

ank how certain are you that enter is town ???

Don't hide behind ank come after me if you want

because i thought she can read you
but i just skimmed anuket and apparently this ins't a thing (or at least it waasn't then, but tbf i don't know what's happened between the two of you since then)

so yeah nm idk if her opinion actually matters to me

I also had never played with enter before anuket if I remember correctly, and I've played with him several times since

I learned how he thinks in games since then since he generally is obvious as either alignment when you notice the differences

This is his town game.

[Ankamius]

He only really fooled me in rapier upick because I was trying to read Taly instead and they kind of blatantly played to avoid giving out much of anything

[Ankamius]

You have an interesting idea of what my town game looks like chenn

[Ankamius]

Actually you have an interesting idea of what my scumgame looks like too

If you legitimately think this is my scumgame, you just don't know how to read me, sorry

[Ankamius]

Enter I'm not really doing anything with the game as much as letting it play out

I have very little to say about a game where most of it is two townreads endlessly arguing with each other

And honestly I'm starting to get really bored with mafia already

[Ankamius]

Oh hey we're redoing that one micro that made me go insane

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: WOBAT

[Ankamius]

I'm not really convinced that's town but I'll let it go

[Ankamius]

VOTE: WOBAT

(:

[Ankamius]

If I was a hardass, I'd literally just save WOBAT for tomorrow and try to lynch somebody else

But I'm too lazy for that this game

[Ankamius]

I don't care about mechanics

I care about getting the most done as possible per day

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

Back later

[Ankamius]

Holy shit chenn I can smell the desperation from here

[Ankamius]

It might just be LUV honestly

[Ankamius]

Idk I think you're competent enough to know that yourself

If you don't, keep your role under wraps

[Ankamius]

Where did THAT response come from

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty sure this is noms town game

[Ankamius]

We should wait for a cj replacement too

Zzz

[Ankamius]

Oh dear

[Ankamius]

How high are skitter and I for us to pull this shit as a scumteam

[Ankamius]

this isn't how the game would go if i were scum with you, i think

No it really isn't

[Ankamius]

We should wait for a cj replacement too

Zzz

[Ankamius]

I actually hate this game

[Ankamius]

VOTE: WOBAT

Whatever deal with this shit tomorrow

I hope I die N1

[Ankamius]

LUV doesn't feel like town LUV nor scum LUV

Idk how to take that

[Ankamius]

I am a doctor in spice therapy

[Ankamius]

VOTE: WOBAT

Whatever deal with this shit tomorrow

I hope I die N1

I'm disappointed

[Ankamius]

Ok so I need literally one person to town spew and the game is literally just over

My PoE has 4 people in it and we need a PoE of 3 to just be able to go down the list

[Ankamius]

Dweller
LUV
Kitten
Blatant Scum

[Ankamius]

Ok whats ur poe

Dweller
LUV
Kitten
Blatant Scum

Hiya, Anka. I know I did just call you the mayor of my town block, but I'm not actually willing to just sheep your reads for 3 days, so you're gonna need to explain some of them. For instance, why is Dweller on this list? I recall you mentioning thinking Dweller/Bus couldn't be a scumteam.

With a gun to my head, I'd guess that scum is in Blatant Scum/LUV/dweller, but I don't have all that much in the way of reads right now.

Tl;dr I'm a useless scumhunter, AMA?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: dweller

[Ankamius]

The rest are just town, kitten

It's almost all based on interactions from past games

[Ankamius]

I don't think blatant scum has done anything particularly town this game when I really think about it and I'm starting to get confused at all the confident townreads there

But I think dweller is just scum and I stretched nothing into a reason not to align the hydra with them

[Ankamius]

Kitten what's your prior mafia experience?

This is actually important to my read on you.

[Ankamius]

I think kitten is town

[Ankamius]

So according to Ankamius theory I am town and I am town.

But still you are voting me. You cannot stick to your own theory. This is scummy.

VOTE: Ankamius

what

[Ankamius]

But I think dweller is just scum and I stretched nothing into a reason not to align the hydra with them

[Ankamius]

Ngl the really awkward way the hydra handled the claim really sabotaged the reasoning I was using in the first place

It was really sloppy and I was assuming chenn was going to approach the game a bit more calculated-like

Then volxen came in and did his standard scum-volxen thing and......... yeah

[Ankamius]

....uh

Is that a real claim?

[Ankamius]

I think that's more likely to come from scum tbh

That entire thought process is unnatural

[Ankamius]

With 8 people alive and 7 town.

Do you think that in this situation mafia would play that dumb.

This general thought process makes sense and is normal for town that cracks under pressure

The part where you claim scum and transition into this is a lot less natural because generally when people crack, they have the least control over what they feel and say immediately afterwards

[Ankamius]

Like am I crazy for looking at that and seeing a "look I cracked and scum wouldn't crack like that so I'm town" type of mindset?

[Ankamius]

Dweller what were you thinking throughout D1?

[Ankamius]

When skitter?

[Ankamius]

Volxen has, in the past, killed me N1 and used my most recent read on their slot as a reason they were town.

It's reasonable to suspect he had a similar plan this game with me saying he isn't aligned with dweller.

[Ankamius]

Lynching his scum partner, killing me, and using my read on him unaligned with dweller seems like a good plan when his partner is under a lot of heat to me!

[Ankamius]

Skitter are you looking in context?

[Ankamius]

Skitter the main thing is that dweller and WOBAT were both under at least some pressure D1, dweller a significant chunk more early in the game.

Volxen is a planner as scum, in a dweller/WOBAT scumteam world, he'd be looking to make them look as unaligned as possible (at least until reaching N1, he can just kill me afterwards and abuse my experience with him combined with that read to convince everybody else) and use the cred that gives him to get into as good a spot as possible.

I really don't think he was expecting me to turn on him like I did and for the general wagon to be sheeped, the claim felt like desperate damage control rather than a set plan to go by

The main thing that gets me is that dweller was under more pressure on early D1 than he is now, yet he crumbled almost immediately as soon as he got 2 votes on him in a less scum lynch context and a more sort the PoE context. The only thing that has really changed to amplify the pressure this wagon would have is that there's only one scum left, the meltdown is oddly timed otherwise and as I mentioned before, comes from a strange mindset if he's town.

I still stand by my words that he was off early in the game and strangely aelf-conscious, which he has started to display again after this event

Idk there's just too much here for me to ignore it, it makes too much sense that dweller is the other scum.

[Ankamius]

Ok skygazer

[Ankamius]

I have no idea

I was being snarky because that's generally a Skygazer thing

[Ankamius]

I'll have to check to remember if volxen tends to be distance-happy but I kinda remember him being somewhere in the middle

The issue is more I can tell his town game and scum game apart, but not a whole lot more than that

[Ankamius]

Neat

Time to disengage for a while

[Ankamius]

Ok I think we should mass claim to figure out where these no kills are coming from

[Ankamius]

Fair

If you want to popcorn you can select somebody to start

[Ankamius]

Good try nom

[Ankamius]

Okay I don't have to worry anymore about worst case scenario

Enter is town
Holden is town
Skitter is town
Ceejay is town

Blatant Scum should be an easy read

Done.

I like how chenn says he's annoyed with me thinking I solved the game on page 8 and then practically agreeing with me immediately afterwards

It's a nice touch

Dweller's ISO is a scum ISO

Atm I think heaven is the partner but I need more time to lock it in

I was actually pretty damn close early

I'll take it