Micro 894: Marked for Death!! [game over]

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He is openly hospitable, and well-known for his geniality. However, he is a wily and ambitious businessman, with his family's best interests always at heart.

aw was this written about me specifically? <3

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VOTE: Chemist1422

I know your vote was already on osetr and 30 is meant as a joke but I also think osetr has been fairly townie so I don't like it

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inclined to go for lion here in that pool, the guy said that he knows me and chem were messing around but is still pushing him which is kinda wack imo

I voted him cause he's voting one of the townier slots in the game

and then he openly admitted right afterwards that I was right, his vote was for nothing game-solving related. which IMO is useless and anti-town behavior. Doesn't make him scum necessarily but better than a random vote

this is a scummier slot now:
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

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Senator Lion is cautioned that continued frivolous hectoring of Senator Bailey will see the good Senator cast into the Colosseum wearing naught but a breechclout to face his namesake. It is Senator Ceejay, however, who earns Our Ire at this time, as We judge his motives in maligning Senator Bailey to be opportunistic and false, while Senator Lion’s are more likely merely unwise.

is this a townread on Bailey?

because otherwise I don't see why you'd defend Bailey from pressure here

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teeny lean scum on george for his doing anything but scumhunting entry for 3 posts

isnt scumhunting early scummy

whoever told you this is straight up bad at mafia

meme-ing can be done by town or scum regardless of alignment whereas only town can authentically scumhunt

all players should be encouraged to start scumhunting as soon as possible so you can start flushing out who is being disingenuous

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Lmao, I was just doing a bit of VFR and introduction (since I took so long).

I didn't think we'd be scumhunting already. Nobody seems like anything to me at the moment.

@ceejay

Oops, I mean RVS (not VFR)

I'll admit I'm pretty damn late on the RVS.

But I voted him mostly cause DoLittle voted Cesar with no explanation either. Didn't mean much by it.

this is another reason to suspect Bailey, he didn't get a story straight between two successive posts

did you vote DoLittle because his vote was unexplained and you thought that was scummy, or was it a purely random vote? you're trying to suggest both things simultaneously here

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i dont think his reasoning are good either
he just says "hey youre town so chem is bad for voting you" which is pretty darn wack in such early game

assuming that you are in fact town, why then was my reasoning wack?

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If you could kindly explain further as to how my actions have been opportunistic and untrue, I would greatly appreciate it.

Well, for me atleast, it felt like you were really quick to follow Lion's lead. It's the first couple of days, and you're voting someone based off an RVS and a little introduction.

what else should we be voting off of, at this point?

also - how much experience do you have with forum mafia? and why do you call the wagon on you a "shit storm"?

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honestly tempted to call a Caesar/Bailey solve on pg 4 for bragging rights but realistically need a bit more from Puppets/Chemist first

I don't think ceej is scummy

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Hi Chemist, I'm with you on the Osetr townread, who are your scumreads

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dont really agree that only town can scumhunt though, it depedns on the quality of the player

dude scum know who scum are, they literally cannot scum hunt. some can definitely fake it really well but literally the only thing that actually separates town from scum is genuine uninformed game-solving (which hopefully/ideally leads to lynches on scum that scum don't want)

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i dont think his reasoning are good either
he just says "hey youre town so chem is bad for voting you" which is pretty darn wack in such early game

assuming that you are in fact town, why then was my reasoning wack?

whats the point in trying to move somebody's rvs vote, theres so much time to spare

wasn't trying to move his vote, was just voting/pressuring him for making a bad one

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dang that was a quick prod

I feel exactly the same as Doolittle in 143

My calling the scum team post was because they were both defending each other on entry and I wanted to see how they'd react to that, but obviously this early in the game that read is light and developing, I felt Titus took it a little too seriously

VOTE: Caesar Wills It
I don't like how they tried to defuse pressure on Bailey so early. I don't see how Bailey could have towntold to them at all at the time of us voting/pressuring him so I feel the early defense is more likely scum trying to grab some early towncred pushing back on the popular scumread du jour. Townies should be willing to let other players sort and get reads on null/scummy slots.

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I don't want to be quick to call Osetr Town, just because posts a lot and questions actions, from my understanding Scum would like the game to stall.

also want to highlight that this is a read I find less likely to come from scum

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Senator Osetr also strikes Us as one attempting to make himself useful, despite a clearly inept conclusions.

which conclusions were inept?

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i just think hes pocketing me, he keeps repeating how im a townie slot but never actually explains it beyond voting chem for meme voting me when i was ok with that vote

i still dont like the reasoning, its basically "his vote is a meme so its bad", that screams tryhard which is mafia indicative most of the time because why deny memes as town this early on

I'm not really in the business of explaining townreads unless they're being wagoned, it's a waste of effort otherwise IMO and potentially even helps scum figure out who is easiest to mislycnh

I get that you think I'm pocketing you, that's prob valid thought process on your end, but this "tryhard = mafia" idea is bunk and frankly a bit tilting. I hate RVS, I want to play the game not meme around, and this is backed by a long and extensive history of my town!meta where nearly every game I come in with as serious of a vote as I can make at that stage (unless I'm like literally first to thread). I've also moved on quite a bit since that first post/vote and yet you're still stuck on it despite my repeated efforts to engage with you and help you see my thought process.

Want to help build a wagon on Caesar? Cause I'm not liking how sticky your vote seems to be on me and I don't believe you're going to get much traction with it with the rest of the town

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@the worst I am voting Caesar not GeorgeBailey, can you fix the latest VC

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Fixed, sorry. ~tw

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also the DDL votes are bad votes but I agree with DDL that the way Chemist did it was townie. especially with the double-down in 164 I feel townvibes from that, sticking by his vote despite being fact-checked

I see the reasons for voting on ceej and 153 is a bad post but I still think Caesar's too-early Bailey defense is the most scum-indicative behavior so far and if I'm right on Caesar then the fact that Caesar/Ceej are cross-voting says either ceej is town or they're distancing/bussing eachother so I'm not super worried about a misread on ceej yet

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yeah 182 looks like a survivalist post pretending not to be one

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It's kinda wild that at least one of DP/Chemist/Caesar is town and genuinely scumreading DDL

Bailey I understand your reluctance to hammer but I'd like to reiterate that I am actually scumreading Caesar for their actions and posts rather than a general lack thereof.

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was that hammer? Elements I'm pissed if so

there's literally no reason to think Caesar is town not a single damn post has been town-indicative

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I say power Lynch Elements tomorrow because the townread on Caesar is so unfathomably bad it's either white-knight or save-my-buddy territory

Elements is not that bad at mafia I've seen him as town before

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ESPECIALLY given that Caesar was scumreading Elements' predecessor but voting elsewhere

imagine being town replacing into a town slot, seeing a wagon at L-1 that's shading you on entrance yet voting their counter wagon for objectively incorrect and unexplained reasons, and then thinking they're town.

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also here's a question

if Caesar is town then why didn't his mislynch go through? who was scum voting him?

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here's what happened here

Bailey's obvious town by now but failed to choose either wagon and left his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD
thus giving scum the room to lynch a pretty obvious town player DDL instead of a very scummy Caesar slot

this is accurate summation regardless of whether Caesar is even scum or not. If he's lynchbait town he's now just another mislynch for scum to use later in the game. DDL was so town it hurts and seeing the wagon on him go through is legit annoying. I kinda suspect DP is a town slot that just paranoia tunneled their way out of seeing things straight.

elements/caesar/chemist need to go next in some order for town to have a chance at this game

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I don't like how they tried to defuse pressure on Bailey so early. I don't see how Bailey could have towntold to them at all at the time of us voting/pressuring him so I feel the early defense is more likely scum trying to grab some early towncred pushing back on the popular scumread du jour. Townies should be willing to let other players sort and get reads on null/scummy slots.

@Elements this (referring to Caesar) is far more scum indicative than anything in DDL's entire ISO, especially now armed with hindsight that Bailey towned up the slot

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guys we have an hour

PLEASE rally to Lynch Caesar I beg of you it's such an obviously better lynch

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18. Deadlines are 10 days for day one, then 7 days for each following day. nights will last 48 hours. I may extend this if I deem it appropriate. When the deadline expires, the day will end with the majority wagon being lynched. In the event of there being competing majority wagons, the one which reached its majority first will be lynched.

DDL you shouldn't have voted yourself

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No Lynch isn't possible I don't think, see my 289

Elements why the change of heart

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oh no! curse you scumz

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not gonna lie I'm still insanely tunneled on Caesar and thus one of Chemist/Elements for the partner by proxy but I do want to leave this game in a salvageable state in case I have somehow borked it on the Caesar read

Elements - please explain to the best of your ability why you were townreading Caesar yesterday to the point that you unvoted him while he was at L-1, and then what prompted you to revote him again with less than an hour to deadline?

Caesar - why would you give Elements a pass (243) for his predecessor's behavior simply for replacing in? Why was Doolittle a better vote than Ceejay/Elements? And are you intentionally ignoring my 147? Want to answer that now that I'm confirmed town?

Chemist/DP - you were wrong on Doolittle scumreads and neither of you pushed much else. How does the game look to you now?

also curious why I was marked instead of Osetr who seems to be a consensus townread

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Ceaser is using his gimmick yada yada yada but when I read through his ISO he was scum hunting. It takes effort to wind that into a gimmick. So I think that's town.
DDL's posts are too emotive, and don't feel fake emotive, to be scum.

caesar always makes a big post and dips though instead of engaging when active

so you're saying his playstyle is NAI yet you're still scum reading him for it?

also Elements, what is your read on Osetr? Because this post frankly was awful

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Ceaser is using his gimmick yada yada yada but when I read through his ISO he was scum hunting. It takes effort to wind that into a gimmick. So I think that's town.
DDL's posts are too emotive, and don't feel fake emotive, to be scum.

caesar always makes a big post and dips though instead of engaging when active

so you're saying his playstyle is NAI yet you're still scum reading him for it?

Ceaser is using his gimmick yada yada yada but when I read through his ISO he was scum hunting. It takes effort to wind that into a gimmick. So I think that's town.
DDL's posts are too emotive, and don't feel fake emotive, to be scum.

caesar always makes a big post and dips though instead of engaging when active

so you're saying his playstyle is NAI so you're scum reading him for the content of the posts?

EBWOP

in fact this whole progression just feels rather scummy. Because your "edit" suggests two entirely different mentalities and I don't see how a townie would genuinely write the first post then "clarify" to the second

The first post is meant solely to discredit Osetr's scumread, the tone is aggressive and all you're doing is asking him a 'gotcha' style question to imply his scumread is bad.

the second post is a walk back, it's presenting more as if it's a genuine question. but it's a very shallow question, and it completely misses Osetr's point which is that the style of play/behavior in itself was scummy - he never said anything about it being NAI nor did he say the content of the posts.

It really just looks like you wrote the first post then got paranoid/worried about how aggressive/leading/false that question was, so you tried to "EBWOP" into something more safe/palatable.

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hi do not prod pls

I am v busy today so quick thoughts incoming and then I'll be around for super content tomorrow

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I have to go v/la because the hotel WiFi is blacklisted by the site so I can't post with it.
GL
Chem
DP
Ostre
GB
Ceaser
Is my read list atm.
Give me questions and I'll get round to answering them Sunday night GMT

why are GB/Osetr so low?
especially since they weren't voting on the D1 mislynch

and like hypothetically if Caesar flips scum and then GB flips town, you think Osetr is the most likely buddy out of Chem/DP/Osetr the next day?

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the main thing I'm going to think about before I come back is assuming that Caesar/Elements are

not

a team together, who is more likely to be scum in a vacuum

my heart says Caesar because of the way D1 went down and how his lynch stalled out, but the way Elements townread him on D1 just felt so improbable from town...

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hey gg all, well played by the scumteam especially DP you snowed me on D1/D2. Thanks to the worst for modding, the set up was fun and flavor was great

Elements I don't blame ya that was a tough LYLO, I definitely would've been strongly tempted to vote Chemist there too. Now knowing how it played out with hindsight, I think the best question to think about would be "why wasn't DP marked for death, and why would scum!Chemist mark Elements instead of DP", but in the moment I don't know if that would have pointed me to decisively vote for DP either. DP played it really well there too. hard fought battle and I hope to see you all in other games in the future