Micro 902 Cultist Recruiter Mafia

[Hectic]

Greetings, friends.
Some real interesting stuff could go on this game like scum/town playing against their wincon if they predict to be converted.
*cough* *hint* *cough* *nudge*

[Hectic]

4. Two players are unrecruitable (A random VT and the only initial vanilla cultist). They will not flip as such, nor are they notified of that status in their role PM. A failed recruit on them is indistinguishable from a double recruitment or a successful recruitment by town.

so there's officially one unrecruitable cult VT and one cultifier. it's a 7-2, and we only need to find who the cultifier is.
In first glance I think it's best if in every day along with our lynch we should pick who our townifier townifies. If we pick correctly, we win, if not, then for at least one day we know the target is town. If the target is the townifier themselves, they just pick whoever. or something.

This is a good idea and I can't see much wrong with it early on. I don't think it's a good idea later though. For example if on day 2 we have 3 scum and 5 town alive if we incorrectly lynch.
In that case, the town recruiter has 4 town and 3 scum advising them, so it might be better to go with their own judgement.

[Hectic]

Wait, so why can't the cultist out the cult recruiter if they're recruited to the town? They don't know the leader?

[Hectic]

Im the unrecruitable vt

Unfathomable.
Inconceivable.
Inexplicable.
I am that one.

VOTE: Dogenempire

[Hectic]

Wait, so why can't the cultist out the cult recruiter if they're recruited to the town? They don't know the leader?

5. At the end of every night phase, the players who have access to the cult PT will be placed in the OP of the cult PT in a random list. If a player leaves the cult, they will lose access to the cult PT.

from my understanding, cultists only know all cultists including the leader in random order

Huh, so if you're a cultist that gets towncruited night 1, you can out the other two and have a 50% chance of winning immediately.
And if you're a cultist that got towncruited, and the cult leader picked the unrecruitable townie, it's an instant win.

[Hectic]

Why aren't the unrecruitable townie and cultist in the possible role PMs?

[Hectic]

Ah, I see.

[Hectic]

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little self-voter? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Forum Academy, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Mastina-Radiant Cowbell hydras, and I have over 300 confirmed mislynches. I am trained in WIFOM and I’m the top OMGUSer in the entire mafiascum community. You are nothing to me but just another lolhammer. I will Preview-Edit you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this website mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of alt-accounts across my computer and your name is being voted for right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your account. You’re fucking dead, newbie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can modkill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Hectic account. Not only am I extensively trained in ISO analysis, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Semi-Experienced playerbase and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of this RVS, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn MyLo. I will IIoA all over you and you will drown in EBWOP. You’re fucking dead, NorweigenboyEE.

[Hectic]

Almost forgot:

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Hectic]

Almost forgot:

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Do you have experience with them?

Yeah, one other game where he was basically consensus town early on.
His entrance feels a little different.
More like the Donald Trump here, whereas in the Haunted Village game he was a new servant on the job approaching Alexander the Great, but it's not a serious vote.

[Hectic]

Did the widdle biddle cultist player not want any conf!town to mess up his plans for the gamestate?
Boo hoo!
Deal with it.

I’ll make calculated posts all day long baby.

PLEASE DO NOT OPEN THE FOLLOWING SPOILER IF YOU ARE NOT NORWEGIANBOYEE:

Spoiler:

*wink* I'll recruit you tonight, just help me mislynch Dr Easy Bake.

[Hectic]

Oh, wow, Dr Easy Bake hasn't even posted yet. In every game I've played with him, he's been town and he's posted at

some point

in the game. Lockscum.

[Hectic]

I think I'm ready to lynch now, let's wrap this one up.

VOTE: Dr Easy bake

[Hectic]

i'm confused as to what to say here. Does anyone here have experience with either hectic or Norwegian? wifom on them being a scumteam, but i can see one of them as scum unless this is common for them

reminded of jay

VOTE: GoldenParadox

Elaborate on the "I can see one of them as scum unless this is common for them".

Spoiler:

Found someone else until Bake gets on, NorwegianboyEE. Do you have a nickname I could call you btw? NorwegianboyEE doesn't really roll off the tongue, and "Norwegian" or "boy" on their own don't sit right. How about Nory?

[Hectic]

I haven’t really read anything yet, just want to say that i’m just a VT. Sad!

Wait, was this serious, Nory?

[Hectic]

also it's a bit telling how quickly you jumped to defending yourself and attacking me - VOTE: hectic

Very interesting, TheGoldenParadox.
Now where was I defending myself?
And you consider my question to you as an attack?

[Hectic]

i'm confused as to what to say here. Does anyone here have experience with either hectic or Norwegian? wifom on them being a scumteam, but i can see one of them as scum unless this is common for them

reminded of jay

VOTE: GoldenParadox

Elaborate on the "I can see one of them as scum unless this is common for them".

Spoiler:

Found someone else until Bake gets on, NorwegianboyEE. Do you have a nickname I could call you btw? NorwegianboyEE doesn't really roll off the tongue, and "Norwegian" or "boy" on their own don't sit right. How about Nory?

bs is being spewed here, and i'm not sure this is town n town, but i doubt that a scumteam would associate so strongly so quickly. basically, buddying.

Fair point about the scumteam associations, but you think us joking around is one of us buddying the other?

[Hectic]

also it's a bit telling how quickly you jumped to defending yourself and attacking me - VOTE: hectic

Isn't this exactly what you did after I voted you actually?

We've brewed up some nice content already.
On an unrelated note, I will be mailing vast amounts of spam to any townie that self-votes this game.
Unless you've convinced the mod to smuggle in a jester.

[Hectic]

@mod: Check your PMs

[Hectic]

OMG this was the longest and most annoying 2-page readup I've ever had

And nothing to be gained at all



Guys we should be looking for the cult master, as their demise ends the game. Note that we WILL have people interfering up to even scumclaiming as misdirection.

May we nolynch in this setup?

Scumclaiming would be counterproductive for them, but I can see non-leaders playing like Jesters if there's suspicioun being cast on the leader.

[Hectic]

pagebottom btw

[Hectic]

VOTE: Korina

Really awful posts

What's wrong with his posts?

[Hectic]

Norwee's building a city right now, Paradox is rummaging around in sewage.

[Hectic]

VOTE: the golden paradox

His obliviousness is dangerous, and I understand if you want to purge that, but do you actually find him scummy?

[Hectic]

@mod: Woah, no need to be so rude. I know requesting a jester role after the game's started is a little ridiculous, but telling me to "go self-hammer yourself like the worthless VCA you are" is a bit harsh.

[Hectic]

SeemsGood

VOTE: Dongempire

Mixed feelings on both Korina and Dong. Korina's talking too much about being "obvtown" or trying to be obvtown when I see no indication of that. Dong's push is too confident/strong.

[Hectic]

This might be the first game where I'm townreading Doctor Drew. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign considering he was town the previous 2 times.

[Hectic]

Dr easily baked cus why else would he be voting for me.
Almost 50 by the time this guy decides to post.
Why this guy hasn’t been getting more votes is TheScumtellingParadox

You manipulative son, you're aware I have to temporarily lock you as town after that, right?

[Hectic]

@TGP, tell me why you're town and interact with me please.

I'm getting low hanging fruit vibes from dong. @Hectic, do you legitimately think it as scum? i don't see it as such.
korina is unreadable as it is w/o the cult thing in this game. everything he's done so far is NAI for him and any lynch on him w/o a major change would be a PL, so doesn't seem like we're lynching him today.
dong is a massive question mark, but the speed at which hectic jumped on it is solidifying my SR of him. Norwegian is back to pretty neutral tbh. My vote says as it is.

You'll get used to this but I like to switch my vote around frequently, especially early on. You're going for low hanging fruit by targeting me for my vote switching/pressuring.
No, I don't legitimately think it as scum, but it's a push that doesn't feel completely genuine to me.

[Hectic]

You're going for low hanging fruit by saying "the speed at which hectic jumped on it is solidifying my SR of him."

[Hectic]

Oomph.
I like A50
Can we focus on TGP?
I sorta kinda think he is likely TOWN right now as opposed to my first reaction. I mean if scum had known about that shit I tried to pull, they could have adjusted their reaction to possibly gain something from the reaction test. Instead, he just plainly pointed out my mistake like a robot fixing an equation. No emotion, no repercussions, no future motives.

I like TGP. Whaddya say bawyz

Could also be scum trying too hard to act like a sensible town that's pointing "mistakes" out.

[Hectic]

I like his activity level. Its not enough to solidify a townread but i think we'll benefit from having him around.

You still sold on Korina being scum?

[Hectic]

A50 with some quality content so far. Could I pay a premium for more?
Why Shos?

[Hectic]

I keep disagreeing with a lot of things TGP is saying but I don't think it means he's scum, just that we have different playstyles.
I do think he's a bit too agreeable in his most recent reply to A50 though.
Early townlean/reads on Drew, Norwee, and A50.

[Hectic]

I obviously disagree with Shos' suggestion of agreeing on the person the towncruiter chooses, but it sounds more like misguided town than a calculated bad plan that scum is pushing.

Clearly, what we should do is all agree on someone for the mafia recruiter to pick as well, so it's fair for everyone. I volunteer as tribute.

[Hectic]

Easy Bake is lame. I can’t read him.
Policy lynch material if he doesn’t start making content.

That's how I play, you can't see (read) me. If you want to get a better understanding of who I am, click the links in my sig.

Spoiler:

You can't tell me what to do. I'll right click and copy link address, and then post them into a search bar, thank you very much.

You put some work in for that UPick game.

[Hectic]

True that. Talk about your scumreads, Baker.

VOTE: Baker

[Hectic]

You know the game get’s harder the more you wait right? Before you know it your TR’s are recruited. We should try finding scum now. Not lurk and then lolhammer which get’s us most likely a useless lynch with no info.

I definitely don't lolhammer. I hammer with purpose, to get the day over. Not just for fun. If I get a strong indication that someone isn't town, I won't ignore it obviously, but I'm not gonna spend the time picking through what everyone is saying on D1. I skim and if I see something, I say something, like the TSA tells me to. The way I play isn't bad like you are inferring, it's just different than what

you

want me to do. I haven't lost a game on MS yet so I'd say it works for me.

Your logic is just bad. We need people to talk on D1 because that allows us to look back on whether people’s reads change if they are recruited. And we need it for analyzing scum team connections. You avoiding that responsibility on purpose is genuinely awful and looks scummy as heck.

Believe me, it's 100% NAI. This is my D1 in any game.
"We need people to talk"
Oh, I can talk, but it won't be about the game unless you ask me a specific question.
If this game is really

that

much different than a regular game of Mafia (I've never done an exclusively cultVtown game), and requires a specific change from me, I'm open to it in that case.
I'm gonna need other people to confirm this though because you're definitely tilted.

You need to reconsider all your townreads after every night in this format, so sucmhunting is even more important, especially on day 1.
Townhunting isn't as useful.

[Hectic]

I’ll pop the champagne once DEB flips cult.

Is he that scummy though? He's self-metaing a lot, but his apathy on day 1 is NAI from my experience with him.

I'll get a few bottles of ribena ready just in case though.

[Hectic]

Which like, the best way to play this game is to try to townhunt. Scumhunting only gets you so far in town v cult. Everyday, the number of cultists is gonna grow, therefore you wanna try to find who's playing townie. If you get culted, you're gonna change how you're approaching the setup, and if you're part of the townblock already, you have to keep up that persona of still actually being town, otherwise you eat rope.

Isn't finding who's trying to play townie less useful here, because everyone's alignments have potential to change every night? I think it's more useful to just do some old-fashioned scumhunting.

[Hectic]

VOTE: tgp

From what I remember about playing with TGP, he's scum. I remember scum!tgp being pretty apathetic and not really wanting to try to solve, if that makes sense, and town!tgp being active and trying to gamesolve. I'm also getting strong vibes of another mafia-esk game we played on discord, where he was scum, and I was pretty sure he was to begin with.

Are you still of this opinion, Korina?
TGP's a mixed bag, but he is throwing accusations out, and that would count as trying to solve. Let's hear more reads from you and less setup-spec.

VOTE: Korina

[Hectic]

Which like, the best way to play this game is to try to townhunt. Scumhunting only gets you so far in town v cult. Everyday, the number of cultists is gonna grow, therefore you wanna try to find who's playing townie. If you get culted, you're gonna change how you're approaching the setup, and if you're part of the townblock already, you have to keep up that persona of still actually being town, otherwise you eat rope.

Isn't finding who's trying to play townie less useful here, because everyone's alignments have potential to change every night? I think it's more useful to just do some old-fashioned scumhunting.

Please answer this setup-spec with me, Korina.

[Hectic]

Well post 198 alone kinda cemented my read personally.
But if you’ve got anything town about him go ahead and present it Hectic.

Lul, why 198?
Nothing he's said so far is town. Just his lack of solving is NAI.
He is defending himself and self-metaing more than I'd expect though actually.

I'll point my

Finger of Possibly Mafia

at him for now.

[Hectic]

@mod: Can I split my vote into thirds. If that's too much to ask, I'll settle for halves:

HalfVOTE: Baker

HalfVOTE: Korina

[Hectic]

Which like, the best way to play this game is to try to townhunt. Scumhunting only gets you so far in town v cult. Everyday, the number of cultists is gonna grow, therefore you wanna try to find who's playing townie. If you get culted, you're gonna change how you're approaching the setup, and if you're part of the townblock already, you have to keep up that persona of still actually being town, otherwise you eat rope.

Isn't finding who's trying to play townie less useful here, because everyone's alignments have potential to change every night? I think it's more useful to just do some old-fashioned scumhunting.

You forget the point that if a town player starts acting differently it means he might have been recruited. Thus you’d know they are now cult. So it’s not bad having TR’s since you might notice it if they aren’t in the next dat.

Easier said than done though. It can be hard for a strong townread to mess that up in a day after being recruited.
It's easy to let yourself be swarmed by paranoia in a game like this, but it's important to stay calm and not overthink your townreads.

[Hectic]

Wait, were you recruited by cult last night, Norwee??

HalfVOTE: Norwee

[Hectic]

Trust me. Town never makes those sorts of posts DEB is making right now.

Fine.
@mod: I'd like to retract my half-vote from Norwee, which was from the half-vote I was using on Korina, and add it to the already existing half-vote on Baker, making it a fully formed normal vote.
HalfVOTE: Baker

Guess you have to do stuff today, Baker.

[Hectic]

No because claiming town hounding you is "probably town and tunneling" is something scum says.

It doesn't matter, technically there's no scum in this game.

NA NA NA-BOO-BOO I GOT YOU. #CAUGHT

Hounding a player that has given you nothing is an easy way to look like a townie. It makes you look like you care about the Town immensely by getting upset with someone lurking since it's "anti-town."
You reacted exactly how I thought you would. Now you're not town in my book since

ya bin kawt son.

You're suggesting Norwee is scum in this post.

Trust me. Town never makes those sorts of posts DEB is making right now.

Lol you just don't know me. It's okay, I can't blame you. You'll learn.

But then you're back to assuming he's town and saying he'll learn?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Hectic]

Trust me. Town never makes those sorts of posts DEB is making right now.

Lol you just don't know me. It's okay, I can't blame you. You'll learn.

If you think Norwee's scum, why would you say that? In that post, you're assuming town!him is misguided and pushing you because he doesn't know you.

[Hectic]

Not showing off or anything, but that's 4 PageTops in a row, and I'm pretty sure a got a few PageBottoms in there as well.

[Hectic]

Huh, turns out you do infact know what you're talking about. I get what you mean now.
Your reads lack specifics and reasons, but these are early days so I will spare you my legendary half-vote for now.

[Hectic]

Trust me. Town never makes those sorts of posts DEB is making right now.

Lol you just don't know me. It's okay, I can't blame you. You'll learn.

If you think Norwee's scum, why would you say that? In that post, you're assuming town!him is misguided and pushing you because he doesn't know you.

Now, I think he's scum that was trying to get town cred by pushing a lurker.
I'm not just your everyday lurker. I'm the:

D

astardly

E

vil

B

itch
Known as Dr Easy Bake
NorwEE has opened the DEBora Box that is now flowing.

Yes, sure, but if you think he's scum, why did you say "Lol you just don't know me. It's okay, I can't blame you. You'll learn."?
If he's scum, he's pushing you because you're a potential mislynch, not because he doesn't know how you play.
I think scum!you forgot to be consistent in your approach towards him for those two posts.

[Hectic]

If you really want me to, I can go more in-depth on reads.
And also the entire reason I joined is to get culted. And literally, cult is my favorite alignment; you really think I wouldn’t know how to effectively play with cults?

Yes please.
You do have a certain

reputation

involving cults.
Does anyone know if Jingle owes Korina any favours? What if he's cashing some in for this game and was gifted cult leader? I'll look into past Jingle-Korina interactions and see if there's fruit to this.

[Hectic]

Let DEB live in his little dream world of having "caught me".
I’ll be going to sleep now. GL all.

You better not be slacking off, I want to see some Vote Count Analysis from you in your dreams, ready to post in the morning.

[Hectic]

Trust me. Town never makes those sorts of posts DEB is making right now.

Lol you just don't know me. It's okay, I can't blame you. You'll learn.

Nah, I don't buy it. This post doesn't read to me like you're telling scum!Norwee that he's pushing you for reasons that are a bad idea.
It reads like you trying to convince town!Norwee that this is just how you play like. And that contradicts your supposed scumread on him.

Norwee retreating to his bed is very suspicious though. He normally sleeps on his hammock when he's town.

[Hectic]

Perhaps. The alternative explanation that you haven't said is that you can still reason with scumreads just in case they're town. I just found that case odd because of the vastly different approaches in those two posts that were posted in the same minute.

[Hectic]

Anyway, good luck everyone. I need to retreat to my

hammock.

[Hectic]

I like Korina's read list.
Let's hear more from {Shos, DEB, Empire, Paradox}.

[Hectic]

So I looked into Korina-Jingle interactions and found some stuff which may condemn Korina.

@mod v/la weekends

Acknowledged.

In this post, Jingle uses a smiley emoticon when replying to Korina. This heavily suggests that they are

in the know

about something, and Jingle is giving Korina a knowing smile.

Vote Count 1.1

With 9 alive, it is 5 to Lynch!

Korina (3): Doctor Drew, shos, TheGoldenParadox
Dr Easy Bake (2): NorwegianBoyEE, Hectic
TheGoldenParadox (1): Korina
Hectic (0):
NorwegianBoyEE (0):
Doctor Drew (0):
almost50Shos (0):
Dongempire (0):

Not Voting (3): Dr Easy Bake, almost50, Dongempire

Deadline: Day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-11-24 16:00:00)

In this votecount, Korina has 3 votes. Notice the exclamation mark Jingle put in "With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!"?
That's right. Jingle is surprised to see the cult leader with so many votes on them already

[Hectic]

-so is acting appropriately with shock and surprise, and throwing in an exclamation mark to relay his sympathies and outrage to Korina.

[Hectic]

I don't get why people always include themselves at the top of reads lists as conftown, and then seriously comment on it. I can't help but see it as slightly scummy.

@Korina:
You sound like you scumlean DEB and Empire, why are they null?
Was this discord game over voice or text? Could you link these energetic games of Paradox?

[Hectic]

Spoiler:

I extend my heartfelt congratulations to all of you. It’s been a rough journey, but we made it there. Cheers and salutations to my fellow townies Hectic, Korina, Doctor Drew and Almost50.
TGP, Shos and Dongempire. You still be looking kinda suspicious so go get a glass of water or something.

Greetings,

friend.

I am optimistic and believe that we have purged this town of all the dirty cultists, and we only have

friends

left. I trust everyone here unconditionally. Especially Norwee.

[Hectic]

Wait, Norwee was top town so he was probably recruited???

VOTE: Norwee

[Hectic]

So Norwee was town yesterday for starting the bandwagon on DEB. So he's either town or regular cultist today.
Drew pushed DEB after Norwee and I were, so probably town but bussing is possible, since it's really not that bad to lose the cultist on day 1.
Almost's hammer is really weird, but Almost is really weird. TGP's flip on me and onto DEB could also be bussing.

[Hectic]

Even if i was culted it means i’m not the cult recruiter.
Which is our top target. Remember?

Woah, you read my mind, Norwee. I ask you to restrain your mind controlling powers while playing mafia though, as that ruins the game for everyone else.

VOTE: Sh0s

[Hectic]

Lynch Shos.
Town recruiter target Dong.

If town recruiter recruits cult leader we win. We’ll have chrcked 2 suspicious people in one cycle.

Am I still confused? I thought the cult recruiter was unrecruitable by the towncruiter?

[Hectic]

Ah, I see. We're in a pretty great situation then.

[Hectic]

I'M STILL NOT CULT FML
THAT DEB LYNCH ALSO PAINS ME
IM STILL IN PAIN OVER IT
BUT NOT AS BADLY AS NOT GETTING FUCKING CULTED

What's wrong with the DEB lynch?

[Hectic]

Assuming our town recruiter wasn't culted overnight, we have a night shot that can confirm whether anyone is the cult recruiter.

Yeah, I think we actually agree on who the towncruiter targets for today, and the towncruiter should always pick that person as to confirm them without having to claim towncruiter. Also, we'll still know if the towncruiter gets recruited the same night.

[Hectic]

Theoretically a cult recruited towncruiter could fake claim not being culted and misdirect us into thinking he checked the cult recruiter and came up innocent.

I mean we don't give the recruited towncruiter a chance to do that. Since we've predetermined their target for tonight, so will know information about that target irrespective to what happens to the towncruiter tonight.

[Hectic]

As much as I love lolhammers, I don't want to overdose on them, so:

UNVOTE: Sh0s

[Hectic]

So you're actively trying to avoid lynching cultists because there's a chance you may be culted later and win with them?
I like your style, I'll also help redirect lynches from you cultists as long as you recruit me tonight. That

Norwee

guy sure is looking scummy, amirite? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *backflip*

No but seriously, that's really scummy.

[Hectic]

Did you get culted Dong?

You said almost nothing substantial on D1.
So i’m pretty sure cult recruiter would gain the most from recruiting you. Assuming you’re not the cult recruiter yourself.

This is where I am at as well.

Added to what you said, his timing of coming in just as Shos was very close to being lynched and his weird push on Korina yesterday (which would lead me to believe that he was cult recruiter yesterday actually) really points everything in the direction of Dong and Shos.

We do need Korina to respond to why he didn't like the DEB lynch though.

Wait, what?
There's two scum total in this game, and one of them was DEB. What are you talking about with this Dong + Shos stuff yesterday?

[Hectic]

Honestly, Korina's been giving me bad

vibes

this whole game, but it's not something I've been able to explain or articulate into words.
I suppose part of it is all the complaining about not being cult and talking so openly about it that doesn't feel completely genuine. I know, very helpful.

[Hectic]

So you're actively trying to avoid lynching cultists because there's a chance you may be culted later and win with them?
I like your style, I'll also help redirect lynches from you cultists as long as you recruit me tonight. That

Norwee

guy sure is looking scummy, amirite? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *backflip*

No but seriously, that's really scummy.

So is this true, Korina?

So who would we lynch today then?
Also, @Hectic, I'll explain why you feel that way post-game.

Why not explain now?

[Hectic]

Unless Korina is playing the 'too scummy to be scum' card I can't see him as cult.

Again I mentioned it yesterDay, but I feel he is more self aware.

I really feel really strong about Dong(alliteration aside).

VOTE: Dong

You said it yourself, it doesn't make any sense for Dogen to recruit Sh0s. So isn't Sh0s the better lynch for cult leader if you thing Dogen is scum stalling the Sh0s wagon?

[Hectic]

I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Wait, doesn't this break the game completely?? Lul, I'm glad you noticed this, Almo. Just okay kill else I guess?
I'm sorry, Norwee, we're in a great position but I'm taking the insta-win every day of the week instead of trying to win this normally.

I'm claiming cult leader. Lynch anyone else and recruit me tonight and we all (well almost all of us) win. Should've reviewed the setup a little better, mods.

[Hectic]

I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Wait, doesn't this break the game completely?? Lul, I'm glad you noticed this, Almo.

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I'm sorry, Norwee, we're in a great position but I'm taking the insta-win every day of the week instead of trying to win this normally.

I'm claiming cult leader. Lynch anyone else and recruit me tonight and we all (well almost all of us) win. Should've reviewed the setup a little better, mods.

Would like to see everyone's reactions to this but don't actually want to to get lynched. This has been very fruitful though.

[Hectic]

All Possible Role PMs:

Cult

You are a cultist. You win if your cult leader leads your cult to Parity with the noncultists. You may choose to post here, but are not required to do so.

Cult Recruiter

You are the Cult Recruiter, aligned with the

cult

. You win if you survive long enough for your cult to reach Parity with the noncultists. You may attempt to recruit 1 player to the cult each night via PM. You may choose to post here, but are not required to do so.

Cultist Recruiter

You are the Cultist Recruiter, aligned with the

town

. You win if the Cult Recruiter dies or is recruited to town. You may attempt to recruit 1 player to the town each night via PM.

VT

You are a Vanilla Townie. You win if the Cult Recruiter dies or is recruited to town.

Role Change

You are now a new role! Any win conditions or private topics granted to you by your old role are no longer available to you. Your new role is:

The Rules: Always in Effect

1. Don't be a dick.
2. This is a game for fun. Act like it.
3. Pretending to break a rule IS breaking a rule.
4. Don't PROVABLY quote priveledged information.
5. Try not to allow outside influences to affect the game.
6. Follow Site Rules.
7. If you think it should be against the rules, assume it is.
8. I will change these at any time for the integrity of the game or if I think it will increase the enjoyment of the players.

The Rules: This Game

1. Days will last 7 days. If a player has 51% of the votes in the thread, they will be lynched immediately. Nights will last 24 hours. If you foresee being unable to submit a night action, you are allowed to presubmit at any time via PM.

2. The cultists are neither required nor expected to use their factional communication. All recruitment actions must be submitted by PM, and no recruitment action submitted in the cult PT will be considered valid.

3. If both recruiters target the same player, that player will remain their current alignment. They will not be notified that they were targeted.

4. Two players are unrecruitable (A random VT and the only initial vanilla cultist). They will not flip as such, nor are they notified of that status in their role PM. A failed recruit on them is indistinguishable from a double recruitment or a successful recruitment by town.

5. At the end of every night phase, the players who have access to the cult PT will be placed in the OP of the cult PT in a random list. If a player leaves the cult, they will lose access to the cult PT.

6. If the Cultist Recruiter dies or is targeted by a recruitment action, the game will end in a town victory before actions resolve.

7. If the Cult has Parity with town at the end of any phase (after ALL actions are resolved or immediately following the lynch), the game will end in a cult victory.

What surprises me the most is no one pointing out rule 6 here.
The cult leader loses if they're recruited.
For someone who was a stickler for rules and mechanics earlier, and corrected me more than one occasion, I don't buy the fact Korina missed this.
I think he knew I was reaction testing/joking around since he's cult, and used it as an opportunity to get some towncred by reacting like that.

VOTE: Korina

[Hectic]

Oh Hectic outed himself?
Whst a fool.
I’m still town so it is entirely in my interest to lynch him.
VOTE: Hectic
Sorry buddy. It’s my wincon. Although i am interested who the heck you targeted since i’m still town.

A50 don’t fucking no lynch. We need to punish this.

Of course I wouldn't backstab you like that, Norwee.
Assuming the setup was actually broken and I was cult leader who recruited you, winning normally would be a lot more fun.
Though, that's not the situation we're in of course.

[Hectic]

It doesnt matter, drew is thte cult leader.

How's that case coming along?

[Hectic]

you know what? fine.
i'm the town recruiter. i targeted dong last night, so he is guaranteed town. when we lynch hectic today, i target shos.

assuming of course the worst case scenario, which is that hectic is cult.
IF WE NO LYNCH TODAY, I WILL NOT TARGET HECTIC as i have a large amount of reason to believe that shos is the real cl.

Uhhhh, this is kind of bad, isn't it?
Why'd you target Dogen last night? What's your large reason to believe sh0s is the cult leader?

[Hectic]

you know what? fine.
i'm the town recruiter. i targeted dong last night, so he is guaranteed town. when we lynch hectic today, i target shos.

assuming of course the worst case scenario, which is that hectic is cult.
IF WE NO LYNCH TODAY, I WILL NOT TARGET HECTIC as i have a large amount of reason to believe that shos is the real cl.

Uhhhh, this is kind of bad, isn't it?
Why'd you target Dogen last night? What's your large reason to believe sh0s is the cult leader?

By bad, I mean really bad for us if he's telling the truth.

[Hectic]

If nobody counterclaims town recruiter it means TGP is either town aligned towncruiter or he's culted formerly towncruiter.

Towncruiter should not counterclaim here. Not need to today.
All it means is Paradox was recruited and is drawing out a towncruiter claim.

[Hectic]

Think you might be right about Drew actually. Get in here with come concrete reads, Drew
This feels different to my other games with him where he was town.

[Hectic]

Gosh, see what a nice and well-explained post will get you NorwEE? You enraged/tunnely probable townie.
Thank you, Korina, Master of the Cult.

The main drawback from me seeing as Korina being cult recruiter is this post by DEB.
It doesn't seem likely that he would try sowing suspicion on his own cult leader to draw away the attention from himself.

He's just joking around though, not actually attacking Korina. I could see DEB calling his cult leader "Master of the Cult" as a joke.

[Hectic]

Norwee and Dogen noooo, and we were all getting along so well.
How about we placate things with a fun game of rock, paper, scissors?
It's a timeless classic and it's been around for millennia, you really can't go wrong with it.
Here, I'll count you down:
3
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Engage.

[Hectic]

Paper.

[Hectic]

Norwee and Dogen noooo, and we were all getting along so well.
How about we placate things with a fun game of rock, paper, scissors?
It's a timeless classic and it's been around for millennia, you really can't go wrong with it.
Here, I'll count you down:
3
2
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Engage.

Is doctor drew playing sub optimally or is he scum? From my POV he is %60 cult leader

Someone who refuses to play rock paper scissors with me is unworthy of acknowledgement.
From this point onwards, Dogen does not exist from my perspective, they are simply a voice in my head that I've had since a very young age.

I agree with your points on Drew, voice. I'm currently at Drew or Korina as cult leader, and I believe Paradox's claim for now.
Norwee might've been culted since he's semi-defended both.

[Hectic]

Lets get the important stuff out of the way then:

How do we play rock paper scissors? Do we have to pm you or do we have to install portal 2 and play it on the coop mode? I'm fine with either and i'll beat you with either.

I agree norwegian could be culted, he seems to be less active compared to yesterday and more crucially his posts seem to be more lackluster and pointless even compared to yesterday. Most of them retread the same path (Lynch shos, target me) and the ones that dont are fluff or as you said defending drew and korina.
Though i think it weird he didnt try to defend him further even though he seemed to be heavily townreading him yesterday.

Installing portal 2 would be ideal, but you might be able to find my OG mafiascum profile back from 2007 if I gave you my steam, and I don't like alt-outing.

PMing probably wouldn't be allowed, but I've PMed you requesting you to PM Jingle and ask just to be sure.
To solve our dilemma for now, I have breadcrumbed a hand formation of my choice into this post (or a previous one), so choose whatever you like, and I'll reveal my breadcrumb.

@Norwee: Do you still townread Drew, and why in particular?

[Hectic]

So you're actively trying to avoid lynching cultists because there's a chance you may be culted later and win with them?
I like your style, I'll also help redirect lynches from you cultists as long as you recruit me tonight. That

Norwee

guy sure is looking scummy, amirite? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *backflip*

No but seriously, that's really scummy.

So is this true, Korina?

So who would we lynch today then?
Also, @Hectic, I'll explain why you feel that way post-game.

Why not explain now?

1) Yes
2) That would require me making my private PT public, which I can't do until the game is over.

Tbh, Korina should be the lynch today. He literally admitted to avoiding lynching cultists just in case he might be culted later on.
And though that's pretty entertaining to view, it's not great for us.
So even if he isn't cult leader/cultist, we get rid of an Honorary Cultist.

[Hectic]

Huh, if you're both fine with voting Korina, then who did he recruit?

[Hectic]

Paradox could be the towncruiter who was recruited by Korina last night I guess, but not sure why Korina would pick him.

The voice in my had was the only one really pushing Korina in the last day. And it's not commented on Korina today, instead it posted this after I posted my Korina!scum case:

It doesnt matter, drew is the cult leader.

And then went on to push Drew as a distraction. So Korina recruiting the voice last night makes a lot of sense actually.

[Hectic]

Paradox could be the towncruiter who was recruited by Korina last night I guess, but not sure why Korina would pick him.

The voice in my had was the only one really pushing Korina in the last day. And it's not commented on Korina today, instead it posted this after I posted my Korina!scum case:

It doesnt matter, drew is the cult leader.

And then went on to push Drew as a distraction. So Korina recruiting the voice last night makes a lot of sense actually.

Oh wait, Paradox claimed he towncruited the voice so never mind.

[Hectic]

Paradox could be the towncruiter who was recruited by Korina last night I guess, but not sure why Korina would pick him.

The voice in my had was the only one really pushing Korina in the last day. And it's not commented on Korina today, instead it posted this after I posted my Korina!scum case:

It doesnt matter, drew is the cult leader.

And then went on to push Drew as a distraction. So Korina recruiting the voice last night makes a lot of sense actually.

Oh wait, Paradox claimed he towncruited the voice so never mind.

[Hectic]

It's also possible that the cult recruitment failed because he either targeted a unrecruitable townie or the towncruiter targeted the same person.

True. Also, it could be Drew as leader and Korina as recruited last night, which would explain his behaviour today.

[Hectic]

Korina wagon formed pretty quickly. Thats very interesting. Seems to me like some people would like to see a fast lynch on korina without evaluating half of last page. Wouldnt you agree A50?

Keep it down up there, voice. Sometimes you drown out even my own thoughts. Put your vote down on Drew and we can pressure both then.

VOTE: Drew

[Hectic]

Dont you think that the korina wagon itself is a distraction? Almost50 came out of nowhere and norwegian got on the wagon without saying anything about it. I think thats the real problem here, whereas i've been laying the foundation for drew for as long as i have been properly playing.

So what are you suggesting then? Korina's town and which of Almost/Norwee is cult?

I just don't get Korina missing a really important rule for a cult game which I'd expect him to be fully aware of.

[Hectic]

Korina wagon formed pretty quickly. Thats very interesting. Seems to me like some people would like to see a fast lynch on korina without evaluating half of last page. Wouldnt you agree A50?

Oh, please don't give me that reasoning again! I'm about to snap at people saying "this wagon formed too fast". Would you rather I voted Korina tomorrow and Nor waited 48 more hours? Korina looks like scum here. Period. The persistence on lynching Hectic was scummy AF. And to note he explicitly said he did NOT want to lynch the Cultists on D1 means he

knew

Hectic was faking, and still pushed for a lynch on him. Is that too hard to see?

Oh yeah, all of this^

[Hectic]

A vote is only valid if you wait 3 IRL days and casually type the word "vote player" with your toes while sipping a glass of wine almost as if the vote was a casual afterthought distracting you from the real business you were doing.

Yeah, so I was just writing up some paperwork for the new legislation we were gonna pass and you know how if there's one typo, you need to rewrite the whole thing? Yeah, that happened. So I was kind of in a rage so I ended up parking some buses outside the local police station, when they saw what I was VOTE: Drew doing, it was already too late and they couldn't get any of the cars out because of all the buses. So I zoomed away on my Pegasus 450 (brand of trainers) and got off scot-free.

@Almost: Because I'm not sure who Korina would've recruited here due to how quickly his wagon formed, so I'm leaning towards him being regular cult over leader. Drew is a possible leader so he's good to pressure as well.

[Hectic]

A vote is only valid if you wait 3 IRL days and casually type the word "vote player" with your toes while sipping a glass of wine almost as if the vote was a casual afterthought distracting you from the real business you were doing.

Yeah, so I was just writing up some paperwork for the new legislation we were gonna pass and you know how if there's one typo, you need to rewrite the whole thing? Yeah, that happened. So I was kind of in a rage so I ended up parking some buses outside the local police station, when they saw what I was VOTE: Drew doing, it was already too late and they couldn't get any of the cars out because of all the buses. So I zoomed away on my Pegasus 450 (brand of trainers) and got off scot-free.

@Almost: Because I'm not sure who Korina would've recruited here due to how quickly his wagon formed, so I'm leaning towards him being regular cult over leader. Drew is a possible leader so he's good to pressure as well.

And by "how quickly his wagon formed", I mean the specific players who joined who I think were good recruits last night. (You and Norwee). The voice couldn't have been recruited by Korina because Paradox towncruited it.

[Hectic]

Wait, that logic doesn't make any sense because if I assume Drew!leader and Korina!cult, everyone else is town.

Whatever, no harm in pressuring Drew's weird behaviour as well.

[Hectic]

I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Holy shit guys this sounds actually plausible lol

is it wrong?

Lul, it gets better.

[Hectic]

First off: I am never a good recruit for Cult, because I am -also- a prime target of the TOWN Recruiter, so I wouldn't have been culted, OR I get targeted N2 *by the Town Recruiter) and I expose the Cult.

Then, as for "I dunno bla bla" you agreed that Korina was a GUARANTEED Cult flip. Drew is a 50-50, and if he flips town it's bloody LyLo tomorrow.

Now we lynch Korina. He flips Recruiter we win. He flips cult member and TGP can target Drew, whereas we lynch Drew.. he flips Cult Recruiter and we win (same a s Korina), but if he flips Town we're fucked because even assuming TGP is legit he doesn't know whether to target Korina or shos (his main suspect), and he is guaranteed to be the target of the Cult Recruiter, so if TGP targets the wrong person we already lose our Town Recruiter.

Lynching Korina guarantees we have only 1 target for the Town Recruiter (again, assuming he IS the Town Recruiter)

Yeah, I can't really find any fault in that. Fine.
Sorry, voice, but maybe things would be different if you played rock, paper, scissors with me.

VOTE: Korina

[Hectic]

If i was cultifier i would 100% recruit Hectic, just sayin.
Are you recruited Hectic? No?
Well there’s your answer.

Well, actually...

[Hectic]

All your post links go to the other game, Sh0s, but whatever.

The posts Hectic has in that page are bad as fuck; it's like he's looking for bullshit fillers?
Sadly there couldn't have been so many scum D1 lol

Hey now, I play for fun.

[Hectic]

I'm reading page18 and it seems like Hectic is just any normal one. Then I ISOed hectic and it doesn't look like he said anything retracting his "claim". What

376

[Hectic]

What do you mean by "normal one"?
I'm gonna take it as a compliment unless you elaborate.

[Hectic]

@sh0s: Why do you disagree with 377 and 451?

[Hectic]

I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Wait, doesn't this break the game completely?? Lul, I'm glad you noticed this, Almo.

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I'm sorry, Norwee, we're in a great position but I'm taking the insta-win every day of the week instead of trying to win this normally.

I'm claiming cult leader. Lynch anyone else and recruit me tonight and we all (well almost all of us) win. Should've reviewed the setup a little better, mods.

Would like to see everyone's reactions to this but don't actually want to to get lynched. This has been very fruitful though.

[Hectic]

Starting Cultist is unrecruitable.
One of the VTs in unrecruitable.

Both recruiters are recruitable.

And also, if town recruits town, they’re unrecruitable for the night. If cult attempts to recruit them, nothing happens.

Town wants to avoid hitting original cultist. Doing so wastes a night. They can’t be converted.
If we publicly announce who the recruiter should target, scum can just avoid them. It’s like trying to publicly tell a doctor who to heal. Who does mafia shoot? Literally anyone else.

Pedit: Because if I don’t die here, odds are I live till endgame. Odds are as well is that town recruiter targets me to prevent me from getting recruited, and/or cult avoids me because me. See it’s a metalapocalypse thing.

Ppedit:

THE ORIGINAL CULTIST IS UNRECRUITABLE. THEY CANNOT BECOME TOWN AT ALL. ONE OF THE VTS IS UNRECRUITABLE. THEY CANNOT BECOME CULT AT ALL.

And also, if both recruiters target the same player, nothing happens. It’s a doctor heal on a mafia kill effectively. Nothing happens. They both cancel out the other’s action.

@mod Can the cult recruiter self-target, or target people in the cult?

@mod, also, can the town recruiter self-target?

@mod Can the cult recruiter self-target, or target people in the cult?

@Sh0s: Korina knew all this or cared enough to ask the mod about specific situations, and you're telling me he didn't know the existence of a rule which stops the setup from being broken on day 1? He clearly read through all the rules to know everything above, so yeah, he was aware of 6.

Really, we need Korina to get in here to explain himself to progress this thing.

[Hectic]

You're guaranteed to be scum here FMPOV, and if you're town, gj, you fucking threw.

This makes me a lot more confident about my vote.

[Hectic]

You're either misrepresenting or misunderstanding my point here, Korina. Were you aware that if the cult recruiter gets recruited, the cult recruiter loses? So it's not viable for them to claim in the hopes of winning with town.

[Hectic]

Which also, literally, Hectic claimed scum, yet we're ignoring that fact and trying to push someone else?

Uhhh, have your properly read the thread up till this point, Korina?

[Hectic]

I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Wait, doesn't this break the game completely?? Lul, I'm glad you noticed this, Almo.

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I'm sorry, Norwee, we're in a great position but I'm taking the insta-win every day of the week instead of trying to win this normally.

I'm claiming cult leader. Lynch anyone else and recruit me tonight and we all (well almost all of us) win. Should've reviewed the setup a little better, mods.

Would like to see everyone's reactions to this but don't actually want to to get lynched. This has been very fruitful though.

Read 377 and 451

[Hectic]

Lul

[Hectic]

First off, I know about rule fucking six. I know if the cult leader gets recruited, the game fucking ends. That literally only means that during the day, we should be trying to lynch the cult leader, and during the night, town recruiter should be trying to recruit the cult leader.

Once again, I'm talking about the cult leader

losing

when they get recruited to town.

Second off, you claiming cult leader for something like that doesn't excuse the fact you fucking claimed scum. I don't care if it's a reaction test, you fucking claimed scum, so you die for it.

So the fact I crumbed a very obvious "Joke" into my claim means nothing to you? It was a good reaction test, and I got some good info out of it. (Other than Paradox outing himself)

Korina's definitely playing dumb, and I'm struggling to buy this anger. He hasn't addressed the actual reason for us scumreading him at all.

[Hectic]

I think he's either drawing the lynch onto himself because he's regular cult and possible Drew? is the leader. Or he's actually the leader who towncruited Paradox yesterday, and is hoping him acting like scum here is gonna make us want to lynch someone else instead, and tell Paradox to towncruit him.

Leaning towards the latter right now.

[Hectic]

Tell me I'm not insane here, Norwee.

[Hectic]

Tell me I'm not insane here, Norwee.

You're sane. You're SANE!
Anyone else who opposes your views are the insane ones!! Don't worry... you are saneee~

You're too good to me, Norwee. Recruit me tonight if you're cult and we'll ace this.

I can see D-Drew has been online but he hasn't posted here yet.

Also. @Hectic

I'm not entirely sure why I sat through that entire video, but I feel like a changed man. Best session of meditation I've ever had.

[Hectic]

Yes.

I have been at work all day and have tried to keep up, but no time to post.

Just left work though, so be back shortly.

Damn, on a Saturday? My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[Hectic]

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Did hectic just say something quasi-religious?

CULT!!
CULT!! HE'S CULT!!

Well yeah, I've been running a very successful

cult

business irl for quite a while now.
You interested in joining, Norwee? You'll make more money and be your own boss and everything. And if you're not interested, you can pay me to stop bothering you.

[Hectic]

@sh0s: I don't see how you can be sure about what happens when the towncruiter and cultcruiter target the same person without reading the rules. And it's not just that, it's the authority with which Korina was telling everyone about that stuff. When you add on the fact he loves cults and cult games, you'd think he'd have read the rules closely enough to instantly know my cult leader claim had screwed myself over.

And what do you think of his pop in today? You really don't find him scummy storming in here and acting oblivious to why he's being scumread, and heavily OMGUSing me?

[Hectic]

Say town recruiter and cult recruiter both target each other. They cancel each other out right? This means our town recruiter is 100% useless and is either getting culted tommorow or he’s lucky and blocks it. But he can never recruit the cult leader. So our only way to win is by lynching now.

No, if they target each other, the cult leader gets towncruited, and the towncruiter gets cultcruited. However, the town including the towncruiter wins due to rule 6, which states the game ends in a town victory before actions resolve.

If they both target the SAME person, that person's alignment doesn't change. So Paradox could target himself to guarantee he doesn't become cult.

[Hectic]

Hey Drew, why aren't you voting for Korina yet? If you're afraid of putting him on L-1, that's understandable and I sympathise with your fear of lolhammers. The voice in my head is famous for those I think (Please play rps with me already, voice).

So I will very kindly remove my vote on Korina so you can hop on and enjoy yourself.

UNVOTE: Korina

[Hectic]

Say town recruiter and cult recruiter both target each other. They cancel each other out right? This means our town recruiter is 100% useless and is either getting culted tommorow or he’s lucky and blocks it. But he can never recruit the cult leader. So our only way to win is by lynching now.

No, if they target each other, the cult leader gets towncruited, and the towncruiter gets cultcruited. However, the town including the towncruiter wins due to rule 6, which states the game ends in a town victory before actions resolve.

If they both target the SAME person, that person's alignment doesn't change. So Paradox could target himself to guarantee he doesn't become cult.

This, for example, is a good post for me to comment on. You see, after the whole gamebreak section of the day, after a day and a half in play, and after the gazillion useless posts by norweiee, wouldn't you expect him to know THIS, which truly is the actual basics of this game?
Like I think in my first post ever here I posted that all we need is to Target the cultifier
it's been repeated again and again in the gamebreak discussion

Norweis is just pretending to actually do something in this game

You're right, I was suprised to see him be confused about this but I don't see what scum!him has to gain by feigning ignorance, other than I guess the leader is more likely to know about this by now.
Scum!Korina feigned ignorance so he could react angrily to the reaction test and hopefully convince some people.

I think it's Korina + Drew or Korina + Norwee.
If it's the first, Drew is the leader though. Second could be either way.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Korina

If you dont want to lynch korina

He's on L-1. You know me, voice, I sure do love my lolhammers, but let's let him get off VLA tomorrow and see what he has to say.

[Hectic]

Actually, if it's Norwee + Korina, Norwee has to be the leader due to his bussing.

[Hectic]

I keep convincing myself Korina is a regular cultist rather than leader. Only people who could be regular cult with him here if Korina is the leader is sh0s and Paradox, and I don't see why he'd recruit them unless he had towncruiter pings, or to solely bus them for towncred as Almo suggested.

If you're town, Paradox, you should towncruit yourself or Drew tonight.

[Hectic]

Oooo, that's tempting.

@Jangle: How long will the night phase be if the game doesn't end?

[Hectic]

If not you, I'd lynch A50. Regarding your partner, that's a trick question of course because alignment change is super difficult to find. But it doesn't matter, I'm not looking for the goons, looking for the head.

My townreads are korina and hectic right now.

What happened to your scumread of me, and associating me with Norwee?

[Hectic]

I agree with everything you guys are saying, I mean, I'm the one who pushed Korina in the first place, but I still want to hear what he says tomorrow in case he isn't the leader.

[Hectic]

Before we lynch him I mean, because that's inevitable.

[Hectic]

I don't understand why people self-hammer, and then talk about their reads/defend themselves, actually ridiculous. Whatever.

TGP should target Hectic.
Hectic/TGP should eat rope tomorrow, preferably Hectic for costing town the game by getting the town recruiter to out.

Not really my fault. He had no reason to out himself like that.

If Korina flips town, I'm leaning towards Drew + Norwee.

[Hectic]

(Please recruit me)

[Hectic]

Hectic you were encouraging this wagon on Korina so strongly, even unvoting so Drew would place his vote, yet now you’re quite ready to paint me and Drew as scum?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

If Korina flips town, yeah, it's one of my suspicions.

[Hectic]

I think it's Korina + Drew or Korina + Norwee.
If it's the first, Drew is the leader though. Second could be either way.

These are sudden suspicions, Norwee.

[Hectic]

*aren't

[Hectic]

So assuming that isn't the case, I have to reshuffle and consider my other cultreads. Drew is independently scummy, and you've been acting weird today in particular.
Which is why I'm thinking leader!Drew and cultist!Norwee. You're very unlikely to be the leader because of your DEB push yesterday.

[Hectic]

Well, it's basically Dogen's argument on him, and him feeling different to my other games with him.

@Paradox:

Target Drew please.

[Hectic]

Uhhh, are you guys really just voting me while it's LyLo?
If either of you are town, we lose here.

[Hectic]

Lol are you kidding me. Don’t let anyone direct your shot TGP. Make your own choice. Hectic is looking sketchy right now.

So I'll be honest, I was kinda convinced it was Drew + you from yesterday after I saw this. And Dogen jumping onto me so early means they could've been the recruit last night.
If this is the case, I'm very disappointed you didn't recruit me.
But if you are town, let's talk this out, we have time, let's make use out if it.

[Hectic]

Like I was just suggesting who I thought was most likely cult leader, why were you so vehemently against it?
And you shaded me for it straight away.

[Hectic]

@Paradox: What did you do?

[Hectic]

Also, it's really bad to outright assume Paradox is cult here as Dogrn suggested. It's entirely possible for cultists to recruit someone else and go for the win via Mislynch today.

[Hectic]

If it’s not you who is it? D-Drew?
Actually wasn’t Dong totally wanting to lynch Drew as cult leader? Why the change? Recruited?

Dogen forgetting their cultread on Drew and instantly voting me is hella scummy.

[Hectic]

Cool, it's all good.

[Hectic]

Also, it's really bad to outright assume Paradox is cult here as Dogrn suggested. It's entirely possible for cultists to recruit someone else and go for the win via Mislynch today.

Wouldnt work, we would go to night and then town cultist would have another shot at insta winning. No other scenario makes sense for scum.

How does this work. There's no way we no lynch here no matter what Paradox claims, and scum knows that.
The fact we kinda have to distrust Paradox is exactly the reasons cum can recruit someone else and push a Mislynch onto a townie and win that way.
Not saying that's the likely option they took, but certainly a possibility.

[Hectic]

If it’s not you who is it? D-Drew?
Actually wasn’t Dong totally wanting to lynch Drew as cult leader? Why the change? Recruited?

Dogen forgetting their cultread on Drew and instantly voting me is hella scummy.

Need i remind you that, following our plan, drew is the only one that cannot be cult beside me? TGP should have targeted drew, and since we havent won, he isnt cult.

There's no guarantee Paradox targeted Drew, and he made no indication of preferring to target Drew yesterday.

[Hectic]

Lul, just dawned on me that we lose unless exactly the cult leader is lynched.
Not looking great so far.

[Hectic]

About to call it night, but wanted to briefly say some stuff:
-If Paradox is now cult, lynching a regular cultist loses us the game, since there will be 3 cult and 3 town after the next night.
-Norwee is unlikely to be the leader, he was very towny on day 1 and was the one to start all the suspicioun on Baker.
-Dogen is confirmed cult if they keep voting for me and there's no quickhammer. Probably a regular cultist, the sudden change in play and assuming Drew is town is very jestery.

I'll read back to look into this leader!Sh0s theory tomorrow.

[Hectic]

The only way Dogen is the leader, is if they sniped Paradox on day 1, but I don't see why they'd recruit him unless they're some kind of wizard and got towncruiter pings from him.

We'll soon find out whether Norwee and Sh0s aren't both town I guess.

[Hectic]

I'm so paranoid of everyone acting like jesters since they're okay with being lynched now lol.

Will give this game more attention tonight.

[Hectic]

Disclaimer: This is all from my point of view. I WILL be referring to myself as vanilla townie because that’s my current role.

Confirmed roles:
Dr Easy Bake (Unrecruitable Cultist)
Korina (Vanilla townie)
TheGoldenParadox (Town recruiter OR regular Cultist)
NorwegianboyEE (Vanilla townie)

WHO IS THE CULT LEADER?!

LEAST LIKELY:

Shos

Spoiler:

Points for: After i called Shos’s fake claim at putting Korina in “L-1” in page 4, DEB immediately chimes in and votes me. Saying:

VOTE: Norwee
Yeah this feels right.

Seems a bit odd for him to jump in and vote for especially me out of everyone that made odd and kinda scummy posts in that exact timeframe.
Shos starts going nuts and claiming im the cult leader on D2. Which is after i started the wagon and got DEB lynched. Might be that i lynched his teammate and afterwards he begins to see me as a threat so he wanted me gone as soon as possible, because scum!him thinks it would look weird if he doesn’t keep up that position even now in D3.
Points against: I feel like if Shos really was on a team with DEB on D1, they would both be trying to target me when DEB placed his initial vote on me. Rather than Shos going for Korina over me. Though this could also be them trying to not appear to be associated.

GoldenParadox really toned down recently. Where are you buddy?

CHOO CHOOO
All aboard the wagonnnnnnn

^This is a weird post.
Points against: Too obvscum to be scum. I also cannot find any teammates for him since pretty much everyone has been willing to vote him other than Dong, and she couldn’t have been culted on D2 at all because that assumes TGP lied about town recruiting her on N1. So this sucks but i can only assume that Shos is town after all. The only problem now is convincing him to actually vote the cult leader rather than keeping up his shitty push on me. But he might very well have been culted, it’s just not at all likely he is the cult leader.
Likelihood of being cult leader: 5%

Almost50

Spoiler:

Points for: Seems like nobody has seriously considered A50 for cult leader. That could be an indication that he is cult leader because none of his fellow cultists wants to raise any attention on him, and they are succeeding. But honestly, i don’t see anything that screams “cult leader!” from him because i don’t think cult leader would be so open and rash as A50 has consistently proven to be.
Points against: Just doesn’t seem likely from his current playstyle.
Likely teammates: DEB, ?? and TGP
Likelihood of being cult leader: 10%

Dongempire

Spoiler:

Points for: If Dong got lucky and targeted TGP on N1, TGP could have fake claimed an “shot” on DongEmpire in day 2, when in reality he would have targeted someone different. If this is the case it means his insistence on targeting “Hectic” could actually be who Dong was going to target for D3. That means theoretical cult leader!Dong would convince the town that all of the cult members are “confirmed town”. Even though this is a possibility it’s rather low because it assumes Dong somehow knew or got lucky by targeting town recruiter TGP on D1. Which doesn’t seem like it has a very high probability of happening.
Called herself unrecruitable VT on D1. The problem with this is that the unrecruitable VT isn’t a role they would themselves be aware of. So claiming it is either cult leader lying or a townie trolling. Depends on Dong’s character which is more likely. But she seems the serious type so the joke claim is a bit shifty.
Points against: TGP says he targeted her on N1. If TGP was not culted on N1 and is lying, she is confirmed to not be cult leader by mechanics.
Likely teammates: DEB, TGP and Hectic.
Likelihood of being cult leader: 14% (1 in 7 chance at hitting TGP in N1)

MOST LIKELY:

Hectic

Spoiler:

Points for:
- His earlier “RVS” vote against DEB seems almost too good to be true. Especially these posts here:

*wink* I'll recruit you tonight, just help me mislynch Dr Easy Bake.

Oh, wow, Dr Easy Bake hasn't even posted yet. In every game I've played with him, he's been town and he's posted at some point in the game. Lockscum.

I think I'm ready to lynch now, let's wrap this one up.
Post 59 replying to 55 is interesting in that TGP is accusing one of us as buddying the other:

[quote="In post 55bs is being spewed here, and i'm not sure this is town n town, but i doubt that a scumteam would associate so strongly so quickly. basically, buddying.

Fair point about the scumteam associations, but you think us joking around is one of us buddying the other?

It could be true that Hectic is attempting to buddy me. Wouldn’t put it past him. That’s exactly what Vorkuta did in the Haunted Village game me and Hectic was in. Maybe Hectic thinks it’s a valid strategy to use on me so he is emulating it here. Hectic is calling the scumteam association a “fair point” but disagrees with the fact that one of us could be “buddying the other”. Sounds like he’s fine with the WIFOM as long as the townies doesn’t suspect he might be the suspicious one here.

Scumclaiming would be counterproductive for them, but I can see non-leaders playing like Jesters if there's suspicioun being cast on the leader.

^Alluding to a possible cult strategy in the DEB case before it even happened. Showing he is “aware” and “in the know”.

@mod: Woah, no need to be so rude. I know requesting a jester role after the game's started is a little ridiculous, but telling me to "go self-hammer yourself like the worthless VCA you are" is a bit harsh.

^Is this Hectic trolling or openly scum flaunting by replying to something the mod said to him in the cult PT? Alternatively the role PM.
VOTE: Dr Easy bake

Could be Hectic already planning to buss his cultist teammate for the towncred. That could explain his surprising willingness to tag team DEB with me when i called him out for his scummy lurking.
Points against: Strongly arguing against DEB. Seems organic so it didn’t even register as bussing to me at the time. But it could be the case.

Is he that scummy though? He's self-metaing a lot, but his apathy on day 1 is NAI from my experience with him.
I'll get a few bottles of ribena ready just in case though.

^This suggests Hectic isn’t as sure about DEB’s scum alignment. The fact that he shows any hesitation at all makes him look slightly better than DEB who just placed his vote and didn’t argue much with DEB other than DEB claiming “their sacred metalhead bond is over”.
Likely teammates: DEB, ?? and TGP
Likelihood of being cult leader: 50%[/spoiler]

Doctor Drew

Spoiler:

Points for:

Also, don't you fuckers dare touch my fellow metalhead in this game.

^Could be NAI. But nonetheless an indication that he doesn’t want to lynch DEB.

VOTE: tgp
From what I remember about playing with TGP, he's scum. I remember scum!tgp being pretty apathetic and not really wanting to try to solve, if that makes sense, and town!tgp being active and trying to gamesolve. I'm also getting strong vibes of another mafia-esk game we played on discord, where he was scum, and I was pretty sure he was to begin with.

......was that a hammer?

^This reply by Drew is a bit odd because it seems like he’s either not paying much attention to the game or faking that he isn’t. I’m not sure if that gives him more or less scum equity yet. Depends on his meta.
Drew just seems more likely than Hectic because Drew didn’t spend as much time arguing with DEB, just kinda voted him without elaborating too much on why exactly he thought DEB was scum.
Dong suddenly retracting her strong claim on DEB being cult leader on D3. Instead targeting Hectic. Quite the shift in opinion. Did Drew recruit her on N2?

Maybe it's the beer talking but Marge you got a butt that won't quit, see they got these big chewy pretzels ghhgshhdhdhhhdh five dollars! Why I outta......this is kooky and I don't believe that Korina is honestly 'buying in' to it.

^In response to Korina thinking Hectic is cult leader. This might be him trying to set up suspicion on Korina because he already knows Hectic is lying about being cult leader back when Hectic did the fake claim.

Yes.

I have been at work all day and have tried to keep up, but no time to post.

Just left work though, so be back shortly.

^This could be him pretending to be busy. Or using his business as an excuse for avoiding any serious solving.
This is how he’s been the entire game. I townread it at first, but i think it’s actually fitting the cult leader meta how low-key he’s being at all times. Avoiding saying anything controversial, lightly bussing DEB without seriously pushing. Etc Etc. Seems like the highest scum equity right now.
Points against: Nothing really. Except i’m not 100% sure who his first recruit would be. Leaning Shos.

No love for a Dong lynch?

Fuck it, YOLO, why not, no time but now, shit or get off the face(Korina better get that callback).

VOTE: Korina

Also, I am the one who knocks lolhammers.

^Him wanting to eliminate his biggest threat Dong, but accepting a lynch on Korina.

Few beers deep, and forgot Korina doesn't post much on weekends.

Nothing really to add except we all appreciate your hard work and dedication Almost50.

^More lazy scumcoasting.
Likely teammates: DEB, ?Shos? and Dongempire.
Likelihood of being cult leader: 80%
APPENDIX 1:
Mini-case
“Dong was recruited on N2”
It makes sense for Drew to recruit his biggest enemy on N2. Really he had no choice. Here is Dong’s attacks on him in D2:

I was going to make a case against drew, but i see no reason to do that now.
What i concur from the setup is that the cult leader is most likely someone who is actively watching the thread yet doesnt participate or at least make an open target out of themselves. Im sure the normal method of finding whos scummy wont work because someone who was previously town can turn, and its likely new cultists would act more and more scummy to deflect from their leader.
From this POV a cult leader is active but doesnt actually say a lot. Ergo, i see only a few people to fit the bill:
Hectic, Korina, A50 and Drew
This isnt a suspicion list. I will get to doing that in the next posts.

^D2.

It doesnt matter, drew is thte cult leader.

^D2.
The entirety of post 383
A huge case on Drew. Still D2^

I assume your idea of town is like doctor drew, someone who bends over to what you are already thinking and doesnt question your stupid train of thought? In that case yeah, im as cult as they come.

D2^
ETC ETC. I COULD GO ON FOR AN ETERNITY!
Bonus -> This might be who he recruited on N1->

I like drew. I've no idea what to make of A50's random posting spree, none of which is game relevant.

NOW WE MOVE ON TO D3!

Also, it's really bad to outright assume Paradox is cult here as Dogrn suggested. It's entirely possible for cultists to recruit someone else and go for the win via Mislynch today.

Wouldnt work, we would go to night and then town cultist would have another shot at insta winning. No other scenario makes sense for scum.

^Now recruited Dong is abusing the fact that TGP is AWOL by claiming that “no other scenario makes sense for scum” even though it is entirely likely that TGP is busy sniffing glue somewhere or would have target someone else, the fact that TGP most likely performed “no action” left the option open for Drew to recruit Dong over TGP on N2.

Need i remind you that, following our plan, drew is the only one that cannot be cult beside me? TGP should have targeted drew, and since we havent won, he isnt cult.

More of the same.

Worst case here is that TGP site flaked and didn't submit their option.

If he targeted himself, then at least he is still town.....and I wouldn't see him lying about that if it were the case.

Big problem, as pointed out, we can't fully trust him. And I am not sure if the odds are better to definitely not lynch who his target was or to just not trust him and keep that person in the Lynch pool.

Drew setting up a “we can’t trust TGP no matter what he says” scenario in case TGP becomes trouble in the future and ruins Drew and Dong’s gambit.

Fwiw, I did a little bit of double take that he called me cleared town. I mean, I hope that TGP didn't go awol and did actually recruit me, but it is so weird.

I would say he is culted, but doesn't really make sense.

^Drew trying to sell the argument that TGP is culted, even though he targeted DONG.

So in the worse case scenario we have 3 cultists, which means this is lylo

I think we still go for the cult leader here and try to end the game

Me and Drew are confirmed town (assuming they didnt notice the dogshit 626)

TGP is confirmed cult

4 remaining, and out of those i think its between Hectic and Norwegian.

VOTE: Hectic

^And here comes the meat of the argument. Dong is suddenly completely retracting his strong cult leader case on Drew, even though TGP hasn’t confirmed shit. Nor did he even clarify that he was going to target Drew on N2. In fact, TGP’s only commitment was that he would target Shos. Assuming he even did anything. So I don't buy Dong’s sudden switch here. Dong is cult and Drew is the cult leader.

assuming of course the worst case scenario, which is that hectic is cult.
IF WE NO LYNCH TODAY, I WILL NOT TARGET HECTIC as i have a large amount of reason to believe that shos is the real cl.

^As evidenced

This took fucking forever to write. Hope I didn't screw up my analysis.

VOTE: Doctor Drew[/quote]
Norwee, your case on me being leader is me RVS voting for DEB and joking about him being cult early. Really?
That's such a non-reason, it was an entirely random pick for the sake of a joke.

[Hectic]

also it's a bit telling how quickly you jumped to defending yourself and attacking me - VOTE: hectic

Isn't this exactly what you did after I voted you actually?

We've brewed up some nice content already.
On an unrelated note, I will be mailing vast amounts of spam to any townie that self-votes this game.
Unless you've convinced the mod to smuggle in a jester.

The PMing the mod to be a jester was a continuation of this joke^
The main reasons you think I'm cult leader are because of jokes lol.

[Hectic]

Wow, that's some messed up formatting, here's my reply to the post two up:

Norwee, your case on me being leader is me RVS voting for DEB and joking about him being cult early. Really?
That's such a non-reason, it was an entirely random pick for the sake of a joke.

[Hectic]

Struggling to understand how you went from being pretty sure Sh0s was the leader to thinking he's least likely the leader.

[Hectic]

Ah, there's two votes on me and a Paradox replacement hasn't even been found yet.
What are you even doing here if you're town, Norwee/Almo?

[Hectic]

I don't really know what to do here. 3 or 4 people are calling for my head, and I legit have no clue who the cult leader is.

[Hectic]

I think the fact so many people are willing to lynch me when there's 3 cultists alive should tell you I'm probably not the leader. The cultists will do everything possible to keep the leader alive. Who does it make sense for me to be cultist with?

[Hectic]

Not really feeling motivated to go through the game a find the leader right now. Still think Drew is the best lead I have based on scummy D1 behaviour, Norwee vehemently being against it when I suggested Paradox targetting him before the night started, and now Dogen suddenly assuming Drew is town.

Drew+Norwee+Dogen is my guess for now.

[Hectic]

Well, it's basically Dogen's argument on him, and him feeling different to my other games with him.

@Paradox:

Target Drew please.

Lol are you kidding me. Don’t let anyone direct your shot TGP. Make your own choice. Hectic is looking sketchy right now.

I mean, look how much Norwee panics and tries to influence Paradox' shot here after I suggest targeting Drew.

[Hectic]

I think it makes a lot of sense for Norwee to be the night 1 recruit. His behaviour noticeably shifted and became a lot more flip-floppy after that night. The number of times he's flipped his read on me based on whether I'm a viable mislynch or not is insane.

[Hectic]

@Almo: Unvote please. It makes no sense to rush this when a player hasn't even posted today yet, with that player's role being one of the most important in the game. If you're town, it's only a matter of time until scum quickhammer me.

[Hectic]

So in the worse case scenario we have 3 cultists, which means this is lylo

I think we still go for the cult leader here and try to end the game

Me and Drew are confirmed town (assuming they didnt notice the dogshit 626)

TGP is confirmed cult

4 remaining, and out of those i think its between Hectic and Norwegian.

VOTE: Hectic

You know what, don't even answer. I don't want to hear what you have to say.

VOTE: Hectic

page 30 is like probably the best page in the game.

Is it possible that the leader is Hectic?


---
@A50: we can simply disagree about the plan.
Also there are some other possibilities which suck, techinically, like
- cult managed to recruit the townifier, and then TGP, the cult leader, claimed townifier

But I don't think we should even think about these. It would be brilliant, but that's a 1/7 chance to lose that I'm willing to take.

Meh, carrying on from where I left.. assuming TGP took some action it would still have been on Shos or Drew. Right? Hevtic now has the higher probability of being the Cult Leader (at least theoretically), and the 3rd slot is the magical slot for Scum to bus their p. I mean, it's not hard evidence on it's own but it's a lead that does NOT negate the case.

VOTE: Hectic

P-edit: Don't tempt me, Shos. If Hectic is indeed the Cult Recruiter then then post #14 is proof your plan plays right into the Cult hands.

I'm not 100% on Hectic. But probability says he has the highest chance of being scum recruiter. So it's really the best decision to take as town. If you reconsider then that's great Shos. I'll forgive everything.

I'd rather not make that decision after midnight. I still got my eye on you >_>

I'll try to continue reading hectic tomorrow, but overall, I think we might hit the nail on its head. Tomorrow I finish work early so we'll see.

Literally everyone who's posted today other than Drew has shaded/voted for me. There's no way I'm the leader here.

[Hectic]

Worst case here is that TGP site flaked and didn't submit their option.

If he targeted himself, then at least he is still town.....and I wouldn't see him lying about that if it were the case.

Big problem, as pointed out, we can't fully trust him. And I am not sure if the odds are better to definitely not lynch who his target was or to just not trust him and keep that person in the Lynch pool.

Speculation about Paradox. No discussion about who could be the leader.

Fwiw, I did a little bit of double take that he called me cleared town. I mean, I hope that TGP didn't go awol and did actually recruit me, but it is so weird.

I would say he is culted, but doesn't really make sense.

Per my reaction post to his case on me from yesterDay.......he does seem to jump to conclusions pretty quickly.

Speculation about Dogen. Nothing on whether they or anyone else could be the leader.

Reading the game again it seems the most likely that the cult leader is Shos.
We never should have given up that wagon on him and switched to Korina.
VOTE: Shos

Count me in, but I'll take it slow with actually placing a vote today, just in case.

This.

I was thinking kind of the same thing yesterDay Norwee. For some reason I backed off though when Dong said TGP recruited him N1 he was confirmed town(I was looking at it from a Dong cult leader perspective).

Makes much more sense that Shos was the cult leader and not the other way around.

His only post today which talks about who the cult leader could be. And it's very surface level just agreeing with something someone else said.

I don't like how seemingly everyone is in a different time zone from me.

Also, we are forgetting that cult recruitments may not have gone through.

There is an unrecruitable townie.......best case scenario we are not in lylo.

Speculation about the unrecruitable townie. Adds nothing to the discussion on who the leader could be.

Norwee, the fact you brought up Dongs 383 in your case on me......and used RVS posts as part of your case is a big stretch.

It did cause me to look briefly at D1. DEB was basically lynch fodder. He came in and was sucking the lynch to get heat off someone, briefly reading through it isn't obvious who it was though. But I think the key to all this is figuring out who he was saving. Oh and BTW, there was little to no heat on me then.......why would DEB act like that if I was cult recruiter?

There also a post where TGP said they were going to be v/la this week and they may have their power shut off. So not sure if or when we will see him.

Since you are here and presumably didn't read my post, I will isolate one part.

If I was cult leader why would DEB act the way he acted?

Defends himself. Doesn't talk about who the leader could be.

These are all of the posts Drew has made today. Not a single one of them shows and urgency or interest in finding the cult leader. They're literally all pop-ins, and he's doing everything he can to not draw any attention to himself. And basically no one has pointed this out or pushed him for it.
Why? Because he's probably the cult leader.

[Hectic]

OK, final answer Drew for now.
How great would it be if we lost because town!Almo or town!Norwee got trigger happy and voted me here though lol.

[Hectic]

Struggling to understand how you went from being pretty sure Sh0s was the leader to thinking he's least likely the leader.

You know what, in hindsight, this might be more jestery shenanigans from Norwee to make us suspect Sh0s and himself, and draw attention off of Drew.

[Hectic]

Oh, wait, Norwee was pushing Drew after post 699. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I don't know anymore, some risky bussing is possible but I don't want to think about his fellow cultists anymore, I just want to lynch Drew.
@Almo and @Norwee: Unvote when you come online please.

[Hectic]

Lol are you kidding me. Don’t let anyone direct your shot TGP. Make your own choice. Hectic is looking sketchy right now.

You literally said this yourself to Paradox when I suggested targeting Drew, Norwee.
"Don’t let anyone direct your shot TGP. Make your own choice."

I think he either did that or Drew somehow sniped Paradox night 1 after getting towncruiter vibes from him.

[Hectic]

Yeah, prods are paused till the 29th so looks like we'll be waiting a few days for a replacement if he doesn't come back.

[Hectic]

You are displaying survivalism

This.

Feels like you're panicking.


Help me out. If you're not the leader, and your wagon is supported by cult votes, who is the cult that is pushing your lynch? Me/a50/norwei? Why?

Not everyone on my wagon has to be cult. Statistically speaking, there's probably 2 cultists in the 5 people willing to lynch me. Leaning towards those two being Norwee and Drew.

[Hectic]

Some other theories I thought of:

Almo as cult leader. Hammered DEB when there was no saving him. Hasn't been suspected or pushed all game.

Norwee as cult leader. Recruited Drew night 1 back when he was townread, and that's why Norwee panicked when I suggested Paradox recruit Drew.

[Hectic]

My vote is still on Drew on spirit though. Just hoping Norwee is actually town, and Drew's recruited Almo on night 1, and Dogen/Paradox on night 2.

[Hectic]

Norwee as cult leader. Recruited Drew night 1 back when he was townread, and that's why Norwee panicked when I suggested Paradox recruit Drew.

What do you think of this?

[Hectic]

Just drunk checking in, happy Thanksgiving to those in the states and just a general thanks to all in this game, the mod, and any who are watching.

We all argue and fight in game, but I generally am thankfull for this site and all the people I have interacted with. Never let anybody tell you that you don't fucking rock.

Stay metal everyone.

Now this is wholesome.
Same goes to you, Drew.

[Hectic]

Some other theories I thought of:

Almo as cult leader. Hammered DEB when there was no saving him. Hasn't been suspected or pushed all game.

Norwee as cult leader. Recruited Drew night 1 back when he was townread, and that's why Norwee panicked when I suggested Paradox recruit Drew.

I don't want to be an arse, but I'll be blunt: If I ever roll scum with DEB I'd replace out on the spot.

Furthermore, you do know why I voted him in the first place. You may (or may not) also know that I do not bus unnecessarily, and -in that case- it would have been an unnecessary bus because of his role. He was the unrecruitable original cultist, and there was a 50-50 chance (from my own PoV at least) that the Town Recruiter would target me anyway, so if I was "going down" very likely I don't need to hammer my buddy (in fact saving him could have had the Town Recruiter target him on N1 which would have been THE BEST I could have ever hoped for)

What I'm trying to say is you all know (or should know) my play isn't straightforward, so don't assume I bus when most people do. The right play there -if I was the Cult Recruiter- was to save DEB

while keeping him pretty much under suspicion

to bait the Town Recruiter.

I don't understand this. How would you save DEB from being lynched from that position? You're making it sound like leader!you would've had a choice there, but there's no way you could've dragged DEB out of that situation. Bussing was required.

Almo's leader equity just went up.

[Hectic]

Meh, carrying on from where I left.. assuming TGP took some action it would still have been on Shos or Drew. Right? Hevtic now has the higher probability of being the Cult Leader (at least theoretically), and the 3rd slot is the magical slot for Scum to bus their p. I mean, it's not hard evidence on it's own but it's a lead that does NOT negate the case.

VOTE: Hectic

P-edit: Don't tempt me, Shos. If Hectic is indeed the Cult Recruiter then then post #14 is proof your plan plays right into the Cult hands.

Korina wagon formed pretty quickly. Thats very interesting. Seems to me like some people would like to see a fast lynch on korina without evaluating half of last page. Wouldnt you agree A50?

Keep it down up there, voice. Sometimes you drown out even my own thoughts. Put your vote down on Drew and we can pressure both then.

VOTE: Drew

NO! You come back to Korina first and foremost. TGP could be Korina's recruit and thus Drew would be a mislynch. At least with Korina I can guarantee you either the Cult Recruiter or the Culted player.

So based on the posts above, I am feeling better on Drew + Almo, but I'm not 100% on what way around.
Almo hasn't seriously pushed or considered lynching Drew all game

[Hectic]

We should wait for Paradox/his replacement before we vote/make a decision really.

[Hectic]

I think we... don't lynch Almo now?
He's confirmed himself as cultist which the cult leader really doesn't want to do here, and there was no reason for him to do that as the leader as everyone was still leaning towards Drew.

[Hectic]

WIFOM

[Hectic]

I really want to see the reveals and what's happened this game, but I still think we should wait for Paradox/a replacement just in case. He's not 100% recruited last night.
Though having said that, recruiting the towncruiter guarantees cultists win if anyone but the leader is lynched today. Not doing that gives towncruiter another chance to outright win, and also extend the game by recruiting a regular cultist.
Yeah, there's not much point waiting for Paradox actually.

[Hectic]

These plays from Almo are driving me insane. I'll be so mad if Almo turns out to be the leader here.
The way hammers DEB here just doesn't sit right with me. It's like hammering a scum buddy for towncred using a narrative, without giving a serious reason which may make it look like bussing.

Hmm.. U can lose this game.. for a more glorious motive:

PAYBACK

VOTE: DEB

Remember when you bailed out on me and I got on my knees and begged you not to sell out the town because I'd go berserk?
Well, you did it anyhow and then I lost the game although I was the one to have confirmed you town and I went out of my mind.
And.. they're coming to take you away ha ham they're coming to take you away ho ho he he ha ha to the dead thread where they hanf you upside down and call you named without an end, and they're coming to take you away ha haaaaaa
You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had sobbed and Gamma was sincere and didn't stab us in the back. Right?
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed, you laughed and then you said you didn't have remorse nor did apologize although it made me mad.
And.. they're coming to take you away ha ham they're coming to take you away ho ho he he ha ha to the place where you deserve to be to spend the rest of the game and weep, and they're coming to take you away ha haaaaaa
I stayed awake, I planned ahead, and looked for chances when I could get my revenge fir all you cruel unfaithful selfish deed.. huh?
Well you are done by for this game and I hope they lock you up in the ASPCA you mangy mutt
And.. they're coming to take you away ha ham they're coming to take you away ho ho he he ha ha to the dead thread where they hanf you upside down and call you named without an end, and they're coming to take you away ha haaaaaa
to the place where you deserve to be to spend the rest of the game and weep, and they're coming to take you away ha haaaaaa

Spoiler:

[Hectic]

Bah! At least acknowledge the bloody humour. You can't tell me it didn't make you smile!

True, I'll give you that much, Almo.

[Hectic]

Hectic i made this nice little template for you. All you need to do is copy and paste it:

"I, Hectic. Did indeed realize that the vile cult leader Doctor Drew led us astray with his vile machinations and tricks the entire time. However i am now overjoyed to announce my support in executing this vile traitor from our noble society. On this day, we truly are blessed to save our town from the cultist menace!

VOTE: Doctor Drew"

Grumble grumble grumble... grumble


grumble

[Hectic]

Hectics not the cult leader then

Thats one less loose thread

Oh yeah.
Guess Almo and I could hammer him here.

[Hectic]

I'll be honest, I was

this close

to copying it and voting for Drew there. But no, I'll wait for Drew and Paradox to return.

@Jingle:

Paradox hasn't posted in 6 days. Will he be replaced?

[Hectic]

Hectics not the cult leader then

Thats one less loose thread

Oh yeah.
Guess Almo and I could hammer him here.

I can??! Hmmm.. well, you do the honours. Congratulations.

Spoiler:

Hectic is either not reading or is feigning ignorance beyond limit.

Almost is the cult target for day 2

@Hectic
I think A50 is being honest about not rolling scum with DEB. Instead he got culted on D2 when DEB was already dead. Drew is the leader.

2 people can't be wrong. I concede. I was recruited on N2.

VOTE: Drew

Oh, I see, he's on L-1 lol.

[Hectic]

@Jingle: Paradox hasn't posted in 6 days. Will he be replaced?

You guys sure you don't want to unvote and wait for this, and for Drew to say some final words to see if he can convince us on something we've missed?
Cult!Sh0s wins if he comes online here and Drew isn't the leader.

P-edit: Oh, really? Now, that's interesting.

[Hectic]

Sh0s not hammering makes me feel a lot better about this.
Dogen, Sh0s, and I confirmed not leaders.
I think it's time.

Almo, I don't think I need to argue against your case on leader!me, since it's based on me not taking the 75% chance of victory lol.

[Hectic]

And Drew's almost certainly not town here, so worst case scenario where Drew is regular cultist, maybe cultists hit unrecruitable town this night, or already hit them on night 2.

[Hectic]

@Jingle: Paradox hasn't posted in 6 days. Will he be replaced?

Prods were suspended during the holiday, as per my announcement. AORN, he's been prodded and will be replaced if he fails to respond.

The fact that you've read the game but got nothing substantial to say really showcases your cult mindset at work.

Sorry family supercedes this game.

I will rearrange my priorities.

I will probably be on later tonight.

Cool, these are reasons to be patient.

[Hectic]

Tch. Just take the gamble Hectic.
Live a little.

Nah, I'm known for being a very boring individual.
When people are driving, they usually avoid making conversation with me, as there's a severe risk of falling asleep and being involved in a tragic accident if they do.

It reminds me of that time I was grocery shopping - I think it was Tuesday? I usually shop on Saturdays since I'm free then, but this was a special occasion as it was a bank holiday, so I was free on the Tuesday. Decided to use the opportunity to go out and get the groceries done, so I could relax on Saturday, and play in my 20 simultaneous mafiascum games. This was back in 2013 by the way.

Anyway, so there I was shopping for some groceries, and I swing by the fresh fruit section, planning to pick up a standard bag of apples, since they're kind of a safe purchase, and will usually be all eaten up before they expire.
But on this occasion?
Not a single goddamn apple in sight.
That's right. The store had somehow managed to run out of apples and were completely out of stock.
I was understandably outraged, but I was to afraid to ask someone about it. I know they sometimes go into the stockroom or freezer or wherever they put the apples to check for you. But I was too nervous I guess to actually go and ask someone.
So at the end, I settled for some carrots (most of which never got eaten, this being in hindsight though, otherwise I never would've purchased them in the first place), and I went home an appleless man.

Oh, that reminds me of the time where I didn't buy

enough

carrots from the store, so I had to run back to buy more, but I ran back on a different day to when I made the original purchase. Let me know if you want to hear about that one.

[Hectic]

Why would Almo be an easy choice over Drew for me, sh0s?
Why aren't you considering Almo could be going or all or nothing and bussing his cult leader, since there's nothing else he can do here, so he's trying to confuse others, and has been successful in regards with you?

Still, I want to see Paradox get replaced just so the replacement can come in and immediately hammer Drew. Think about the potential comedy in such an event. It'd be amazing. Imagine if it's a sleeper Norwee + Almo + Paradox team.

[Hectic]

Lul, this is pretty funny.
Flavour Leaf is definitely recruited. He hasn't even said who Paradox targeted last night, he should know that.

Another theory:
Paradox is the leader, randomed into recruiting the towncruiter who is Almo/Norwee, and so claimed towncruiter day 2. Easy cruise to victory since we never lynch him here.

[Hectic]

I think I'm ready to hammer Drew.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Let's see the reveals

[Hectic]

Wow, well played.
Why'd you recruit Paradox?

[Hectic]

Damn, nice. I didn't even consider you were leader since I couldn't imagine a world where the leader would recruit Paradox, since he was under a fair amount of suspicion on day 1.
But guess you just nailed him for towncruiter.

[Hectic]

So Almo night 2, right? Just checking lol.