Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[alimdia]

VOTE: Wimpy

Oh hey I know this person

[alimdia]

We’re infested with mafia. You worried about the cost of a burger? lol

mafia or not, im going to go out of business if i sell burgers for only $5s! you think i can make a living off of $5 per burger? be reasonable.

Got any vegetarian options?

[alimdia]

Why does every non newbie game that I play start off with a couple of people with pre-game relationship joking around and cluttering the few couple pages with fluff?

[alimdia]

I refuse to townlead this game

You mean you don't know how to play as scum so you're going to 'put less effort' in to avoid getting caught?

VOTE: Menalque

[alimdia]

Datisi if ur scum can u do me a favour and just kill me tonight so I don’t have to sort u?

All this does is cause all sorts of WIFOM

I think I lightly SL wimpy

Or like that was the scummiest entrance

Trying a lil bit too hard for nonchalance

Oh actually maybe they are but the problem is that like the reasons don’t make any sense

That’s not my problem.

This is very much your problem bc it looks a lot like you’re calling scum with no logical reason to do so

This is basically your entire 'case'? The foundation is 'scummiest entrance' and ... while Wimpy has a warped understanding of the rules, that doesn't make it scummy

p.s. I meant datisi and Menalque pre-game relationship, not you wimpy

[alimdia]

p.s. I meant datisi and Menalque pre-game relationship, not you wimpy

We had how many? 3 posts joking around? Before someone called me scum and rulebreaker for that?

Like
3 posts vs 3+ pages

Okay half a page then. from 24 to around 38.

There was also half a page of burger stuff but that didn't come off knowing each other before this game (I think)

I think we cleared up that it doesn't break the rules

[alimdia]

I think I lightly SL wimpy

Or like that was the scummiest entrance

Trying a lil bit too hard for nonchalance

Oh actually maybe they are but the problem is that like the reasons don’t make any sense

That’s not my problem.

This is very much your problem bc it looks a lot like you’re calling scum with no logical reason to do so

This case is airtight. Well done Sherlock we caught the scum

VOTE: Wimpy [WARNING: SARCASM USED]

Wait a second...
VOTE: Mena

[alimdia]

Btw I didn't vote you because of your shit case against Wimpy. I voted you because of the original quote where I voted you.

But looks like we're getting some content here even if it's 90% fluff.

[alimdia]

I'm actually just gonna step back and let the other people chime in with their thoughts before this becomes a 10 page pool of fluff and people don't bother reading half of it.

[alimdia]

Plus he suggested I eat a salad. Only scum would do that.

man what a serious vote

only scum eat salads

i shouldve known

VOTE: datisi

die scum die

wtf? on page like 8. Its worse when I realise you are doing these posts when YOU HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP READING YET.
For all you know datisi could have been on L-1 and you just hammered.
why are we still talking about burgers (emps mainly) on page fucking 9-10
Also, MAKE ONE BIG POST INSTEAD OF 20 SMALL POSTS WHILE YOU ARE CATCHING UP ON READING FFS.
When reading page 5, you dont know what happened in the next 5 pages, maybe they retracted what they said.....
And yes.. you can read all posts without responding to latest posts. I literally just did that and didn't clog up the thread with more useless posts...
You literally added 2 pages of fluff by yourself while 'catching up'

I'm voting for this guy just because of this....

VOTE: emps

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

I disagree

just... tell us where you played?

pedit : oh uh... check the activity overview and that should give u ur answer lmao

how to check activity overview?

[alimdia]

Nvm I figured out where activity overview is.

[alimdia]

Fluff posts in the first few pages are fine. We're up to page 24 now and you haven't even caught up, meanwhile you have 93 posts

[alimdia]

Spamposting when catching up was the reason, not just spamposting live discussion.

Did you ever address my hammer point? Where you could have hammered someone by voting whilst still catching up


@Wicked @Luca, you guys should un-vote your RVS's when you get back

[alimdia]

Asked for unvote because the other 2 votes were RVS and its way past that now, plus I'd rather have them unvote for proper analysis later on when needed.

Part of what I'm trying to highlight in these questions to both of you is that I think a lot of this conflict is personality-based rather than alignment based, and it's not creating a game environment that produces much alignment-indicative information.

Thats what I was saying on page 7
And then there was 20+ pages when I woke up of more of the same. At some point I just started skimming through.

I feel like datisi and Mena are probably not a scum team, as it would seem bold for scum-team to start taking control of the thread right off the beginning.
The thread is kinda screwed though because compared to datisi+Mena vs Wimpy, we don't have a lot of other interaction.

[alimdia]

At this point though I don’t care if he’s town. He crossed a line and I can’t look past it. He hit below the belt and that makes him a dirty player and for that he needs to die and I’ll vote him until he does.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[alimdia]

Wimpy, so you think Datisi and Mena are a scum team or not?

If you only think Mena is scum, well theres another scum, so can you guys stop tunneling on each other and get more non {datisi, mena, wimpy} interactions out there?

Pedit: dang ninjaed by Luca

[alimdia]

I'm voting for this guy just because of this....

VOTE: emps

Why are you not voting the player who lied and has clogged the game up pushing that lie?

Because both of you clogged up the game. And I have lost track of the actual case.

I'm voting for this guy just because of this....

VOTE: emps

Why are you not voting the player who lied and has clogged the game up pushing that lie?

The thread is becoming so clogged full of spam I'm losing track of what the exact arguments are.

What was the lie that Menalque has been pushing?

Yes Wimpy can you make 1 single post, with links instead of quotes if it's gonna be big, detailing the parts where Mena pushes the lie.
Also helps if you include the parts where Mena says he didn't lie. I vaguely remembering reading that when I skimmed through the thread.

[alimdia]

Sigh, I feel like this game is severely compromised

[alimdia]

Grumbles about other's people's RVS not being unvoted yet*

UNVOTE:

Do you happen to be Aussie?

Also... compromised is the wrong word but un-salvagable more like.

Whoever the replacement is... is gonna have to read through 25+ pages and have a bunch of people on their ass, and its honestly unfair.

[alimdia]

Alimdia has a towny mindset and is the first to join the townbloc.

Posts like 97, 104, 119 (defusing the situation) are very good takes.

I enjoy the 616 obv callout of scum!Dat and scum!Menal powerwolfing the crap out of this early game, but that's a highly unlikely scenario. Knowing both of these players, I think they would take it a lot slower. That doesn't take away I think Menal could be scum here (just not together with Dat), for pushing something in REALLLY terrible faith

Wow, we have completely opposite reads there

also how is 616 calling our Dats/Mena powerwolfing? It's asking Wimpy a question? (correct me if I'm wrong here btw)

So you SR me?
And yes my 616 is asking Wimpy the question.

[alimdia]

SL of alimdia:
97 is a bad take I'm sorry Icon but you should know this lul
119 is completely NAI imo

586 policy vote on emps for spammy catchup and careless voting
610:

Asked for unvote because the other 2 votes were RVS and its way past that now, plus I'd rather have them unvote for proper analysis later on when needed.

Asking for unvotes of the RVS vote for (I'm assuming) later proper VCA, but is keeping the vote on emps due to... policy?

Which makes me think the whole "unvote your RVS we're past that" was made as busywork

discuss

Btw what's SL?

To be fair when I first voted him I was just really annoyed at how he was creating more fluff posts. Because by replying page by page rather than replying after reading everything - (FYI you can take notes as you read, then change them as you keep reading as people contradict/take back earlier statements), THAT is busywork. If you ISO emps you can see more than half his posts are pointless. I could see scum doing that to muddy the waters further. I'm aware that Datisi, Mena and Wimpy also have lots of fluff posts and/or statements repeated in different ways, at least they are in the middle of the conversation 'live' when doing it. Imagine if everyone fucking does it as well.. 60 pages...

In conclusion, it wasn't 100% a policy vote, but I felt like I scum-read emps a bit.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know why I unvoted , it was prob cos there were 2 other random votes on there

[alimdia]

Wimpy are you blind

Also on this note I’ll log off. I have a feeling things will get more hostile than this and I do not want more hostility

Me: shows wimpy contradicting himself in 120
Wimpy: aight imma head out

I'm actually just gonna step back and let the other people chime in with their thoughts before this becomes a 10 page pool of fluff and people don't bother reading half of it.

Wimpy are you blind

Also on this note I’ll log off. I have a feeling things will get more hostile than this and I do not want more hostility

Interesting

I did try and defuse this situation because I literally saw this happening before. And then as you can see, Mena just basically 'hooked' Wimpy back in for another 2 hours of posting.

[alimdia]

I've already dismissed the power-wolfing team by the way.

[alimdia]

Emp wagon isn't really a wagon. 2 of them were RVS and 1 of them was from me.

Also you're doing the same thing emp is doing lmao. At least theres way less posts.

The mod publically warned Mena yes. I'm not sure if she warned Datisi as well or not.

[alimdia]

Just had a look, only Mena was warned.

[alimdia]

Also you're doing the same thing emp is doing lmao

what would that be?

Posting as you read instead of after reading everything

[alimdia]

no

we will by the end of this day

no we won't shut it dragon

Pedit: Tone n whatever checks out
Reasoning checks out
Might have to revisit him in the later days but meh

He's a dick but he's a Town dick for now

dragon = icon or?

Well, the discussion is out there to sort. For now I'm content knowing there's not 2 scum in Datisi/Menal/Wimpy and a few team exclusions on top of that. It could very well be a town trio even.

Wonder what menal thinks of that

I was thinking it could be a TvT, thats why I was looking at people that started adding fluff when 'rereading' as not part of the original 3 (like emps)

[alimdia]

So you guys are on wicked because he hasn't posted much and you think he's coasting while Datisi+Mena vs Wimpy is going on?

[alimdia]

over 200

Where?

does it really matter?

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

of everything you *could* comment on, wicked chooses to focus on the experience of wimpy? that's not a town mindset

I suppose that makes sense.
However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

[alimdia]

I was gonna say if they were scum buddies he could have just said in the scum pt

But I just realised there is no scum daytalk in this game.

[alimdia]

However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

Oh yeah, was this a "positive" or "negative" context?

I'm waiting on Wicked's defence but it was supposed to be a positive for him. In that that's the only post we are judging him off on.

Luca, something very weird is happening.

I agree with almost everything that's come out of your mouth so far.

Are you sure its not because he just said he agreed with you

[alimdia]

However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

Oh yeah, was this a "positive" or "negative" context?

I'm waiting on Wicked's defence but it was supposed to be a positive for him. In that that's the only post we are judging him off on.

Can you clarify this a bit further? I'm not sure what you mean - do you think it was a good post? A NAI one?

When I said positive I was referring to my original statement about making one post. I think its not a good post but overall it's NAI.

Why is wimpy!slot town?

I’m not sure if I’m tunnelling or not that’s the problem

Read your own ISO wtf you guys were literally tunneling on each other. But also nobody else was posting so...

also 60 pages is like
nothing

oh no what the fuck are you planning to do

Says the person that posts one sentence replies a lot...

[alimdia]

I think I get this confident in basically every game I play but I wouldn’t say my confidence level was ever over 65% on wimpy!scum

Which I know doesn’t look great but that’s how much he was pissing me off

....
I'm tempted to drag up that argument about the 'definitely sure' and 'probably sure' that you guys had

[alimdia]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna piggyback this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

[alimdia]

I will reread Mena later.

@Luca, Didnt wicked say he was busy at the time?

[alimdia]

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal.

If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

Er, I don't disagree with the rest of the post, but I don't exactly get how you come to this conclusion?

He'd see it as bussing instead of being bullied?

[alimdia]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

What's wrong?

Wicked chooses to list 3 players, and comes to 3 neutral conclusions despite putting out an extensive read on all 3, leaving whichever way to lean on any of them as the game goes.

But what really sticks out here is that he ends up with 3 neutral reads, and makes no attempt at all to sort them.

I agree with this

[alimdia]

Ali, you're staying very neutral throughout all of this. Can I get some reads from you?

Reads:
Town
Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.
Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read ,
along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.
Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

[alimdia]

That’s actually a good point against emps @Ali. Perpetually catching up is a great way to fly under the radar as scum while looking busy/productive.

What's wrong?

853 was @Luca, since it seemed to me like he was giving credit to you for something I said first

Uh I said that ages ago the first time he was doing that perpetually catching up posts

[alimdia]

Ali started out siding with Wimpy over Menalque and seemingly scumreading Menalque early on, but seemed to drop this without explanation. Can you explain your read progression there, Ali?

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.

I don't get why you currently have Wimpy as null alongside this reasoning. Are these things not AI to you at all?

i'm really liking Luca's thoughts this game

if

wimpy is scum this could be the partner defending

Initially yes I was defending him - on page 7.

To be honest when catching up I read the 20 pages of Mena vs Wimpy but I already forgot everything I read. And After Wimpy got bullied into replacing out, I really just have no motivation to re-read those pages to read that slot.
Even when ISO'ing Mena, I fast forwarded through the repetitive parts.
I mostly focused on what other people's inputs during that time like Emps, and people's inputs after that time like Luca and Wicked.

[alimdia]

I also dislike how Luca dodged alimdia's accusations in 887.

Amen brother

[alimdia]

Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.

Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read , along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

I'm a little confused why I'm so high up your list when everything you said about me was negative.

Maybe its because I listed Emps three times?
I didn't c/p Wimpy out to the null group, my bad though. So you are 4th out of 6 people, not really that high.

[alimdia]

Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.

Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read , along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

I'm a little confused why I'm so high up your list when everything you said about me was negative.

Maybe its because I listed Emps three times?
I didn't c/p Wimpy out to the null group, my bad though. So you are 4th out of 6 people, not really that high.

I mean
If Wimpy is where the "null line" is
then Luca is still in your Town pile according to that?

The corrected list is the following with dups and nulls removed
Town
Icon
Datisi
Mena
Luca
Wicked
Emps
Scum

As you can see, Luca is not in the town pile. Also I rarely have more than 1-2 solid town reads. In this case those would be Icon and Datisi.

[alimdia]

are you guys serious about scum!Luca?

Its a possibility.

I also dislike how Luca dodged alimdia's accusations in 887.

Amen brother

i'm with Datisi on this one. How are you supporting a push on Luca when you put it in your town(ish) pile very recently?

See my prev post.

This still doesn’t explain how you went from scumreading Menalque early on to townreading him now. Why are you townreading him?

Did you literally not read my list. Reasoning is right there?

[alimdia]

Also I rarely have more than 1-2 solid town reads. In this case those would be Icon and Datisi.

I'm not talking about "solid Townreads"
I'm saying if Wimpy was the "null line"
Then Luca was above the null line
Which is Town leaning?

Theres no null line, I just forgot to c/p Wimpy to the null section underneath with Aldu.

[alimdia]

Datisi

Town Read

Icon
...
Menalque
Ali
Aldu

Null

emps
Wicked/Wimpy

Scum-lean

That's kind of where I'm at right now.

I'm still undecided about Ali: he's made a few good points here and there, although I get the feeling he is playing the role of 'mediator' which is rubbing me up the wrong way a bit.

Aldu has shown me nothing AI whatsoever, but they're both around the null area.

By your logic I'm leaning town because I'm above the null line too?

[alimdia]

...
In 878
Were your reads in order from Town to scum? (ignoring Aldu)

Ye, and also ignoring Wimpy.

Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads

[alimdia]

You said you disliked the tunneling but the 65% thing was in his favour. Is that literally why you’re townreading him?

It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

[alimdia]

stole the pagetop ez

[alimdia]

Would Wimpy reads wise have been between Luca and Wicked?

I honestly have 0 ideas about Wimpy at the moment, my head hurts thinking about going back to read the interactions. The man quit the site for crying out loud

I still don’t get why I would even be null when he had nothing but negative things to say about me. Why not put me as a scum-lean?

It feels like he wanted to shade without committing to the read.

wtf who said you were null.
Have you guys not read the part where I said

1) i didnt c/p wimpy down to the actual null spot along with aldu
2) hencefore you are not null, you're in the leaning scum pile
I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.
You're the one that shades me whenever people say they think I'm town. You seem to be scared for me to be a town-read, that you turn every 'pro-town' thing that people say I do into 'both scum and town can do this'.

[alimdia]

It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.
Once again.. I only really have 1-2 solid town reads
It's why I dont want to vote him anymore.

[alimdia]

I was getting to it Datisi

I'm confused too, alimdia
Because I get the feeling that Luca & I have taken very similar stances on you
+ I've actively pushed you out of the Townbloc when Icon was trying to get you in

Why do I get to be the "genuine scumhunter" but Luca is "afraid of being outed in the PoE"?

I had a townread on you, I think before post 587. The top reasons are your interactions with Mena and the way you've been talking (also known as tone/my gut) I'm not really going to dig up the 20 pages again because my head hurts when I read through it.
When you were 'actively pushing me out of the townblock' when Icon said we're not lynching alimdia today, the fact of the matter is that you are an (almost) global townread, while Luca is not. You don't have any nefarious motives in trying to push me in or out of the townblock.
However, Luca is not a global townread, far from it. As such, he is potentially afraid of being outed via PoE. That's the way it looks like to me

I'm not talking about your current read on him. I'm talking about your past read on him - at the moment you were crafting the readslist.

Theres like a literal difference of less than a day.
My current and past read of wimpy hasn't changed from when I made the list to now

I'm committing to the read right now. I think you're scum. I'm just not voting you at the moment because the Wicked wagon looks more promising.

Also
(up until lit moment ago)
Luca was ON the Wicked wagon
Why were you willing to jump on the wagon with a player you think is scum? Because it looks more promising? What?

Because I have quite a few scumreads and they can't all be correct. Won't know any connections until there's a flip. Wicked was more suspicious to me compared to Luca plus I admit I might be a bit biased against Luca here, hence more promising

@Ali: the way you presented your readslist made it look like you were townreading him, why not mention that he wasn’t a Townread? It now looks like you’re making it up as you go along.

I would like you to refer to my completed Newbie game, where I also mentioned there I only have 1-2 town reads at a time. I actually had 2-3 there but one of them was my mason buddy so yeah

I don’t townread you, so when I see others hard-townreading you for something I don’t think is really AI why would I not talk about it? You’ve done the same to me this game at least once from what I remember (when Datisi said she agreed with most thing I’ve said and you said it was me agreeing with her).

Thats different. She said she agrees with everything that is coming out of your mouth, not that she is townreading you. She actually had you as null-town lean I believe. I was just telling her that hey, thats because you guys said the same things.

[alimdia]

I'll reply to other stuff later. My point regarding that read is.

(1) Null is in between Town and scum.

(2) You said (878) your reads (from Town to scum) were Icon Datisi Mena Luca Wimpy Wicked Emps. (With Aldu outside but it's irrelevant.)

(3) You said Wimpy was null.

When the three premises are taken into account, I come to the conclusion that Luca was closer to Town than to scum in your reads.

Is any of this wrong, and if so, where?

2 is wrong. Read my #931 second half, and last 5 posts I don't wanna keep repeating the same things over and over like the Wimpy conversation.
My reads (from Town to scum) were Icon Datisi Mena Luca Wicked Emps.

When you were 'actively pushing me out of the townblock' when Icon said we're not lynching alimdia today, the fact of the matter is that you are an (almost) global townread, while Luca is not.

You don't have any nefarious motives

in trying to push me in or out of the townblock.

This almost reads like a bit... tmi? Scum!me would have very good reasons to push town!you (or town!anyone, for that matter) out of the Townblocc.

Scum!Anyone could be a thing. If I'm gonna be paranoid about everyone this game would never go anywhere.
Scum!Anyone would want to look town.
Anyway I was answering why you were scumhunting while Luca is just pushing people out of townblock. Hes not even .... building a case against me.

I also want to point out that I Townread Datisi and Icon before Ali did (Ali didn’t give any reads until I called him out on it) so his claim that I’m scared of him also becoming townread due to PoE is not only irrational but also doesn’t really make sense, as I’ve helped to form that PoE. I’m actually wondering if he’s projecting his own fears onto me.

um No U (Yes I read adlu's post 958)


@Mena Stop misspelling my name

Looking at Wicked's post 1036, I might need to rethink his slot because he could have easily just said he thought I was scum to continue the pile on.
Instead he also TRs me.

3) I could say the same - I’m currently townread more by the ‘townbloc’ players than Alim, so his accusation could also apply to himself and, as I said, it feels like he’s projecting that fear onto me, because it’s otherwise irrational to suggest I’m scared of him being townread for probing about something I disagree with.

At the time where you first threw shit at the people TRing me, you weren't townread yet. Hence you were scared.

Also, @dats — if two people in the PoE die and it doesn’t flip scum, sure, we fucked up

But I think the reasons for thinking the PoE is good are solid so I don’t see the need to overthink it unless proven otherwise, in which case there will v likely be enough info to find where the scum actually are

Plus I think I consistently find scum on D1 so I also just sort of trust myself to be >avg right that the PoE has scum even if I don’t know who’s most likely yet

.......
.......
Need I say more? You thought Wimpy was scum then after he rep'ed out admitted it was actually less than 65%

If Luca flips scum this game I'm going to be very sad

okay back to writing responses

I mean this is why I have only 1-2 TRs at a time, people that play mafia become good liars. (in mafia)[maybe in rl too ]

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Well of course Alim was going to back you up as you were literally agreeing with what he had said.

This hard Alim TR feels really forced/unnatural.

Lmao anyone that TR's me feels forced and unnatural. So are you saying there is 4 scum of (me, Icon, Aldu and Wicked)?

Any reason you’re not pushing your main scumread, Ali? I’d almost forgotten your emps SR until i re-read your reads list.

Nobody seems interested on emps and still keeps calling my suspicions a policy vote.
I'm dragging you to the spotlight where you belong.

@Wicked you up for a wagon on Luca?
VOTE: Luca

[alimdia]

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Join tha wagon too

[alimdia]

ico - i think his posts abt the whole mena datisi vs wimpy situation were towny
datisi - talked to me before about basically having a stroke in the scum pt every other post, and theres no daytalk but she seems relaxed/natural
luca - kind of gut tbh but i also like his reasonings
wicked - not much to go off of. i really dont see why people have been scumreading this tbh
aludskel or whatever - not much to go off of either
mena - i really just keep going back and forth on him tbh im really not sure
alimidia - tone feels a off and voting me for posting a ton and doing real time catchups is ???
wimpy - tone is off and he felt overly defensive, and kept emphasizing that hes done nothing scummy at all

pedit : oh hello there

i still have 10 pages to catch up on so ill let you know once im done

Is anyone seeing his reasonings?
Summary:
STRONG TR because: his post are towny
TR because: seems relaxed
gut- like his reasonings (doesnt specify)
scum leaning: tone is off
tone is off , emphasising that hes done nothing scummy


Also I didnt vote you because you doin real time catchups. I voted you because that created lots of fluff and useless shit and contributed to the first 20 pages fluffshow, told you to stop and you kept going.
Fuck changing wagon to emps again VOTE: emps

[alimdia]

Lmao anyone that TR's me feels forced and unnatural. So are you saying there is 4 scum of (me, Icon, Aldu and Wicked)?

No, I'm not saying that at all.

I Townread Icon for a start, and I'm not sure what his current read of you is. I haven't yet looked over Wicked's reason for townreading you, but Aldu's does feel rushed for the reasons given.

As for you, I'm still not sure exactly about you - you need to understand that me questioning other players' read on you is as much about me figuring out their alignment as yours. The game doesn't revolve around you.

Well the game revolves 1/9th around me.
So here are the possibilities
1) im town and 3 people are TRing me. Those 3 ppl are either 3T, 2T1S, 1T2S. Either way there is at least 1T townreading me. As of this post I feel like you think I'm scum so if thats the case lets have a look at #2
2) im scum and 3 people are TRing me. There is max 1 teammate so either 2T1S or 3T. Who's alignments are you actually trying to figure out here?


@emps actually its 3 rl days in

I'm getting newbtown vibes from Ali's recent posts tbh, the way he's judging most things by how it relates to/affects him.

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Join tha wagon too

Does it not seem odd to you that he's suspicious of me yet hasn't voted me? It feels like he's waiting for someone else to make the push first.

not sure if you saw but I did vote for you. Then emps and his reads came in.
Also why are you saying I'm town followed by shading me again (falsely too)

I already explained multiple times my read list. If you're not gonna read I'm not gonna copy and paste


@pops whats tone deaf?

ok so for some reason scum in the townblock has no motive to push town out of said townblock?

I have no idea wtf you are talking about here. Are you saying Datisi is the scum in the townblock? Have you even read everything?

[alimdia]

I'm gonna look at other people like Aldu later. I think I have a blind spot on them as they are agreeing with me.

[alimdia]

I did vote for you? For like...2 posts but yeah. Also I voted you before you said post 1097.

So you saying I haven't voted you is ... false.

The last part of my quote that you quoted was at emps

[alimdia]

Is Pandora a cat? Because I hate cats since 2 weeks ago ;(

[alimdia]

Flatmate's cat fricking bit me after I finished feeding it using my hand

...I was talking about Aldu not voting me, not you.

Oops my bad, turns out I am blind, mason buddy.

I'm gonna read Aldu more in a bit, and to a lesser extent Wicked. Its hard cos they TRing me mang

Hm. I was kinda hoping emps would rush in here and push Wicked.

Um why?

[alimdia]

It's just reading this made me scared: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-scratch_disease

[alimdia]

Hm. I was kinda hoping emps would rush in here and push Wicked.

Um why?

Because they he would be the 8th slot in this game to vote Wicked/give intent on voting him/express a SR there. Which, after I'd check that nobody's post looked like a conveniently times bus that they didn't think would take off, would very well mean town!Wicked.

And I think emps/Wicked is still not ruled out

Can someone (prob Icon) give his opinion on the reasons for the readslist

Also I'm kinda liking Wicked's posts? Like
I think i disagree with half or more of his takes
But idk I remember thinking that some of them were good yesterday I'll revisit when I'm less dead[/quote]
idk seems counterproductive to make a case, then get paranoid when everyone wants to vote them.

[alimdia]

Whats wrong with quotes today

[alimdia]

I could see emps/Aldu being the scumteam actually.

emps first instead?
Emps seems to be the common denominator in Datisi's reads too.

[alimdia]

@Alim

: If emps doesn't offer up something good soon then I might be willing to switch over.

We could vote him up to pressure into posting, but I don't think Emps is a good lynch today.

Um pressure doesnt work if you say its for pressuring and not gonna lynch them

[alimdia]

emps my man

i like your tonal datisi read, but would it change if there would be scum daychatter?

weak luca read

your wicked read is low effort? have you actually read the game? I brought up a few critical points on wicked that i'm about to respond to in my next post. Are you scum with Wicked here?

alud has posted enough to have an opinion on...

Ali... Hmm. That seems like an OMGUS read to me, and feels like how town!emps would read it.

Wimpy read is meh as well :s Everyone would be overly defensive with the crap Menal pulled there.

Which brings me to your menal read that you are hedging. How can you not have an opinion on him? Like it or hate it, his ISO is FILLED with AI stuff.


This is probably town!Emps that is just not into this game. His reads are very feely right now, especially wrt Ali. He isn't pushing a scum!agenda and reminds me of myself when I'm town just stuck in a game.

The problem is you can say that about anyone (town stuck in a game). I don't really understand why you're defending him here.
Anything could be any reason here, but don't WIFOM yourself into oblivion

[alimdia]

Um bro I think they went on Aldu now

[alimdia]

I kinda like Aldu btw, he's the only one that kinda understood my read list format while everyone was just harping on about above and below the null line.

[alimdia]

don't WIFOM yourself into oblivion

i'm too poor to have a second bottle of win so ic an drink the farther one so i feel personally attacked


jk i have another in the fridge

i was gonna pour this experimental one out and drink that one
but apparently the one in the fridge is also white i have messed up and made poor life choices

I'm allergic to something in beer ;(

[alimdia]

iconeum can you help me sort jester

he said the things i wanted to hear
but did he know what were the things I wanted to hear??

Whos jester?

[alimdia]

ico - i think his posts abt the whole mena datisi vs wimpy situation were towny
datisi - talked to me before about basically having a stroke in the scum pt every other post, and theres no daytalk but she seems relaxed/natural
luca - kind of gut tbh but i also like his reasonings
wicked - not much to go off of. i really dont see why people have been scumreading this tbh
aludskel or whatever - not much to go off of either
mena - i really just keep going back and forth on him tbh im really not sure
alimidia - tone feels a off and voting me for posting a ton and doing real time catchups is ???
wimpy - tone is off and he felt overly defensive, and kept emphasizing that hes done nothing scummy at all

pedit : oh hello there

i still have 10 pages to catch up on so ill let you know once im done

Is anyone seeing his reasonings?
Summary:
STRONG TR because: his post are towny
TR because: seems relaxed
gut- like his reasonings (doesnt specify)
scum leaning: tone is off
tone is off , emphasising that hes done nothing scummy


Also I didnt vote you because you doin real time catchups. I voted you because that created lots of fluff and useless shit and contributed to the first 20 pages fluffshow, told you to stop and you kept going.
Fuck changing wagon to emps again VOTE: emps

FYI Icon

[alimdia]

I think I might have WIFOM'ed myself to oblivion as well, because there seems to be a consensus lynch pool of {wicked, emps, Aldu} today.

[alimdia]

The simplest explanation is we are pro and we have sequestered the scum team but ....

[alimdia]

Alternative explanation is that this game became a social game

[alimdia]

top

[alimdia]

iconeum can you help me sort jester

he said the things i wanted to hear
but did he know what were the things I wanted to hear??

What did he say that you wanted to hear?

[alimdia]

also @Aldu
when you get the chance a basic readslist with an explanation or two would be gucci
k thx

Town:
alimdia -- for reasons I've said before, and I mostly agree with Ico's points on him (and anything I don't agree with I just think is null).
Ico -- Ico's been making a lot of sense. The progression of the read on Menalque is natural, and I like the poking at Wicked.
Menalque -- the earlier tunneling and the later "oh crap was I tunneling" seem town to me, I've had similar experiences. I'm still looking forward to more content on non-Wimpy stuff, though.
Datisi -- kinda like a towner version of Menalque. Posted a lot but a good variety, not just on Wimpy.
emps -- lot of posting, not a lot of content. When he came in with post 599 and saying "i honestly have no fucking clue what my reads are tbh" that seemed town to me. I think scum would most likely push Wimpy or Menalque, rather than risk appearing wishy-washy. Leaning town, but still close to null.

Scum:
Wimpy -- pretty much what I've said before. Although the fact that he straight up replaced out makes me think his behavior wasn't as alignment indicative as I thought.
Luca -- too much on the sidelines, too much pushing the popular wagons. Probably not scum with Wimpy or Wicked.
Wicked -- see my previous post.

The more I look at this post the more the hypocrisy burns a hole in it.

He says I’m scummy for pushing Wimpy and Wicked, but look who’s in his scumpool. How can he suspect me for having similar reads to him? That is not a mindset that makes sense. I also feel like he’s buddying Icon, and his emps townread doesn’t make sense given emps actually pushed Wimpy as much as I did. It also feels like he’s opportunistically positioning to jump on Wicked while shading me as the one ‘pushing main wagons from the sidelines’.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Aldu

This is the more relevant post @Icon

[alimdia]

Whenever Luca says "not a natural progression of _____", I recall him saying that for my reads too

[alimdia]

idk seems counterproductive to make a case, then get paranoid when everyone wants to vote them.

What is this supposed to mean?

You said if emps wanted to vote Wicked too then Wicked is somehow town.

That doesn't make sense since bussing an exposed scum partner is a thing.

[alimdia]

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

I dont think scum says stuff like this?

[alimdia]

iconeum can you help me sort jester

he said the things i wanted to hear
but did he know what were the things I wanted to hear??

What did he say that you wanted to hear?

That the nature of the trio-explosion makes it hard to read
it was pretty repetitive

somewhat buyable? since my slot did scummy things but i know this slot is actually town, and I'm not sure on menalque too
but like I don't know how you get caught up in this thread and feel that your townread on Datisi has to be hedged

A lot of people said it was hard/annoying to read.

Is the second half @ me?

[alimdia]

I want to ask would it not feel a bit suspicious if *everyone* were to agree on the wagon?

Depends on who the wagon is.
What if scum know this and say yes to their scum partner so that people would feel suspicious about a wagon.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF WIFOM everywhere

hm


do i want to be madder at wicked for "i don't have any reads" or alimdia and alduskkel for "i have this one terrible terrible read"

What's my terrible read ;(



Also, part of my datisi TR now consists of 'if she was scum then she deserves to win"

[alimdia]

@Aldu when you talk about emps coming in and pushing later

think emps was posting while catching up when he was doing that shit

[alimdia]

@Aldu does pop's posts change your reads on the wimpy slot?

[alimdia]

yoink

[alimdia]

Ye I'm also getting pause from Luca's about turn. We vibing hard at the moment.

Bro just cos Emps not into this game is anti town, we should lynch him anyway?

AHHHh fuck thats also why I think Pops is town (and datisi too). This feels like survivor holy shit.

[alimdia]

I've seen way worse players than emps. I'm not policy lynching him.

Also, be honest: are you buddying me?

A little bit ye, but I'm not scum (I looked at the wiki definition of buddying)

Ye I'm also getting pause from Luca's about turn. We vibing hard at the moment.

Er, what are you exactly vibing with him on?

I was thinking Luca might be more town and then Aldu says it too.

*sound of bees flying manically*

I don't know. I think the slot had scummy moments but I still doubt since it might be playstyle. I like pops posting but I can't shake off the suspicion. I can try to go into it later, but they're not in my lynch pool for D1 rn

The reason I ask is because I get the feeling I’m being pocketed and it’s making me a little paranoid. I get you/Icon having a strong TR of me as you’ve seen how I play as Town, but I’m surprised she townreads me to such a degree.

Its not too late to jump into my pocket instead.

[alimdia]

emps first instead?
Emps seems to be the common denominator in Datisi's reads too.

I forgot to earlier, but should prob make this clear
Emps is still Townleaning for me
I mentioned him as a possible partner for scum!Wicked based on "he'd be the only one who wouldn't be bussing"

I do not /think/ he's scum, not rn at least

So WHO is in your lynch pool then?

Sounds like only wicked at this point.

[alimdia]

Ye I was talking about Aldu, soz if unclear.

>.>

<.<

transfers immunity to lynching necklace to Aldu*

brb watching survivor

[alimdia]

Oooooh pagetop

Thats not how this works. You say pagetop on the actual pagetop not the post after

intent

That was sudden

[alimdia]

Don’t really believe icon’s reaction to my intents if he was genuinely SRing aldu

i was pretty confident you weren't gonna go thru with hammer

Thank god Mena didn't hammer my

mason buddy

TR

Thoughts coming up

[alimdia]

This is where I was wrong I think

Honestly not liking Mena here...

Don’t really believe icon’s reaction to my intents if he was genuinely SRing aldu

Explain

[alimdia]

So we wagon emps pref?

[alimdia]

i don't want you fucking lynched i want you to goddamn claim so we can continue this game

it's literally how it works

But theoretically if he claimed VT people would have hammered?

alimdia can you explain why you find emps scummy but not Menalque when they have similar posting styles in this game?

Ima go sleep, remind me of this when I wake up

[alimdia]

pagetop

[alimdia]

Alim is starting to ping me again with the way he just floats through the game whenever the spotlight isn’t on him.

i don't want you fucking lynched i want you to goddamn claim so we can continue this game

it's literally how it works

But theoretically if he claimed VT people would have hammered?

alimdia can you explain why you find emps scummy but not Menalque when they have similar posting styles in this game?

Ima go sleep, remind me of this when I wake up

Wtf theres no scum daychat, it says so on page 1

[alimdia]

@Luca I don't know what you mean... I feel like I'm going around in circles at this point in time

[alimdia]

@Aldu I think Mena catches up before he starts posting shit whereas emps just posts useless shit and he is catching up.

He's been 'not caught up' and making comments on posts that other people have already made so far.

I really want a lynch on this slot

[alimdia]

I like wicked's post 1404

[alimdia]

@Aldu I think Mena catches up before he starts posting shit whereas emps just posts useless shit and he is catching up.

He's been 'not caught up' and making comments on posts that other people have already made so far.

I really want a lynch on this slot

@Alim: when you were in the spotlight you were more aggressive and pushing your reads, then when you were accepted as more likely town you dropped this and have just been floating through with mainly fluff posts.

Why did you stop pushing emps, for example?

I'm trying man, nobody is hoping on the emps wagon.
You just went from wicked -> aldu -> back to wicked kinda

[alimdia]

No because you are useless.

I'm gonna say this

WARNING: HOT TAKE

Worse than Wimpy

[alimdia]

like seriously i fluffpost a ton as both alignments and people that ive pkayed with before have confirmed that as well and you still wont get off my case abt it

idgaf

My reads are already getting fucked because there is an unnatural datisi-mena-pops-Icon relationship going on and they can't all be scum

[alimdia]

lmao caught up to post 1166, and then gonna be back later.

More of the same for the last couple days and beyond

[alimdia]

So what? At least I'm tying to solve the game, I don't get the same impression from you.

I'm lost. I need a flip to continue. I feel my mind is going around in circles and I can't articulate it properly.
Can we please lynch emps...

[alimdia]

wtf?

[alimdia]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

That's actually pretty convincing.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

What do you think about what I said about the hammer?

It doesn't seem likely you'll ever get content from emps, he is kind of always like this. He's signalling reasons he would be disengaged from this game that are valid as both alignments, but it will be hard to know which unless he does get engaged.

Um maybe he should replace out 2 days ago then? Seems unfair to stay in the game like this.

[alimdia]

My reads has been flipped upsidedown almost literally the last day or so.

I think Aldu is town, which means Mena is town for not hammering. Now, there is still the possibility of Aldu/Mena scum-team but its hard to co-ordinate that unless they had pre-game start day talk? Unlikely.
Luca is slightly below Aldu & Mena

emps obv I still want to lynch. At this point he is the most anti-town and closest to scummy. However, nobody is remotely interested.
My wicked reads will depend on his answer to my question.

Which means that I want to re-look at pops, Datisi and icon. Datisi and icon have been living rent-free in the town-bloc the last couple of days. And I've sort of given Pops a free pass because I see similarities in the way she is typing compared to Datisi so in my mind I gave her a pass. But I'm going to only re-read non Wimpy vs Datisi/Mena posts because I think those are just distractions.

[alimdia]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

[alimdia]

I do like your posts wrt Mena (not) hammering alimdia

wrt = with regard to?

THIS IS NOT HOW PAGETOP WORKS

And I've sort of given Pops a free pass because I see similarities in the way she is typing compared to Datisi so in my mind I gave her a pass.

What's similar between Datisi and I?

Your chattering, I'm gonna say online personality, or as much can be seen over the internet.

[alimdia]

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

ok so why don't you try and look at it from a different perspective

why do you think menal passed on that free hammer then? what's his motivation for doing so?

I guess I don't see motivation for 'passing on free hammer' as scum. So let's analyse if it's free or not

You were yelling at Aldu for being scum while it was happening (not claiming etc), while also half telling Mena he should post content etc.

So it looked like a free hammer.

Lets say Mena is scum. He gets the hammer off, even if he gets lynched tomorrow as scum his scum buddy is probably very well hidden.



Also Also Also

You want him to hammer

but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer

but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

[alimdia]

wrt = with regard to?

THIS IS NOT HOW PAGETOP WORKS

That's how i used i
And YES IT IS

also i kinda find it weird that emps fluffpostings calls for a policy but pops earns her a sorta-TR but ok

The thing is emps fluffposting without catching up while pops is doing it live. Also pops has SOME content. Or maybe she just has a really good social game. I'd rather be in Day 2 or whatever with you guys than emps, and we all know emps isn't getting NKed

[alimdia]

Can we address this:

Also Also Also

You want him to hammer

but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer

but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

[alimdia]

But the only claim that would stop a hammer is a PR claim???

And also if Aldu never claims and just sits on L1, isn't that hammer time anyway?

[alimdia]

From my POV asking for a claim at L-1 = if you don't claim PR you gonna get hammered anyway

[alimdia]

real pagetop

[alimdia]

@alim: why do you think Menalque declared intent to begin with?

Thats what is supposed to happen? Instead of just hammering.

The thing is emps fluffposting without catching up while pops is doing it live. Also pops has SOME content. Or maybe she just has a really good social game. I'd rather be in Day 2 or whatever with you guys than emps, and we all know emps isn't getting NKed

Emps also has content
Ftr I'd rather do to D2 with emps than pops

Burned pops... burned...

[alimdia]

omg guys Mena is scum

[alimdia]

His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

[alimdia]

Love everyone copying my 'trying to break out of POE' phrase


VOTE: Mena

[alimdia]

also, can we talk about wicked being on menal wagon here?

Didn't he vote there ages ago?

[alimdia]

LET'S HANG MENA!

We can vig emps ez

[alimdia]

Btw are we allowed to talk about ongoing mish mash games

[alimdia]

if it's not a social deduction game 99% sure it's fine. if it's secret hitler or something i'd ask a listmod

Probably not

Especially if they're the social deduction hidden role type i think

If it's secret hitler
Don't

I believe L2

Wait when did I get into your townblock?

[alimdia]

zzz quotes fucking up.

I was gonna say 'we vibing hard'

[alimdia]

So who else is voting for Mena other than Wicked, my mason partner and I?

[alimdia]

Ah I thought you were in the wagon too.

I that case.. Wicked, Luca and I are currently on the wagon.

[alimdia]

Also

My V/LA starts in 2 days and will last for 2 days

[alimdia]

You posted intent when u had nothing other than POE for Adlu

[alimdia]

His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

I’m gonna need you to be explaining how this is in any way “damning”.

None of this explains why I wouldn’t want to hammer aldu, not why my not doing so is scummy.

Willing to compromise here

if you really believe that icon is town, dats

we both know i'm not the person whose reads you should be trusting

but ok

My issue is that I think icon’s push on me is v bad, and that’s one of my more effective scum catching methods (I find it easier to read when a push on me is bad than I do when a push on a neutral party is bad)

The problem is that every time icon gets called on it he kind of walks it back, and I’m struggling to decide if he is actually that good at being self-aware and can see that, or if he’s just worried because he knows that I’m good at spotting when pushes on me are bad and doesn’t wanna take the heat for seeing it through

Can we not make arguments whose basis is 'I'm town'? Because everyone can say that.

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Every time someone gets run up to L-1 someone defends said person.

We should compromise on emps

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You know what you should have done Mena?
If you genuinely never had intention of hammer, and wanted to 'gambit' to force a reaction out of Aldu

1) you need enough social capital or town cred to do that
2) failing 1), you should have breadcrumbed said intention somewhere before starting it

Now from my POV you're just trying to justify that.

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yoink

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@alimdia*: 1707.

His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

I’m gonna need you to be explaining how this is in any way “damning”.

None of this explains why I wouldn’t want to hammer aldu, not why my not doing so is scummy.

Well this post explains that Mena had 0 interaction with Aldu until post 973. The only case he had against Aldu was via POE, and even after 973 there is very little direct interaction with Aldu.
So there was 0 reason for an intent to hammer someone that YOU DON'T WANT TO HAMMER. All that causes is unnecessary claims to come flying out.

Also a lot of his 'arguments' or 'reads' has the basis of 'I'm town'. Now that game of SH that just ended (so we can talk about it), he does that shit a lot where he's just like 'I'm lib'. Well bro nobody else knows that other than the scum/fascists. You aren't convincing any of the actual town/libs based off those shitty arguments.

See my 1697 and 1699

Btw I'm v/la so my quoting might suck

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Its damning because he's trying to force a claim from someone he had no intention of hammering. And his reason for doing that didn't add up at the time since he also had 0 suspicion of Aldu, which I only realised after someone pointed it out.

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I was looking at his prev games but then I got hooked into reading all 30 pages of the secret hitler game lol.

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So we doing pops because we don't think the wimpy vs Mena was TvT or because of that lol hammer?

If pops also flips town I think we need to look at the bystanders of the fight - Wicked and emps

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His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

fyi icon agreed with me

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Omw to class but I’ll say this: it wasn’t fake intent, I was willing to hammer

I don’t think aldu insisiting that I wouldn’t and refusing outright to claim comes from scum

Okay I somehow missed this, idk why.
Its hard for me to defend my reasoning now that he flipped town and so in hindsight I was wrong, and also I dont remember my thought process from 2 days ago

Fuck?

Wdym pops?

Like I said, I was open to hammering there, aldu’s reaction convinced me they were town

Which is not withstanding the fact that declaring raw intent as soon as it’s available is just one of my go to things

@emps pls confirm, I also did this last time we played together I’m p sure

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So we doing pops because we don't think the wimpy vs Mena was TvT or because of that lol hammer?

If pops also flips town I think we need to look at the bystanders of the fight - Wicked and emps

Kinda both. That hammer was fucking atrocious. Also pops technically softclaimed VT.

The lynchpool for this game is {pops, Wicked, alimdia, Icon} btw. emps ain't happening.

um lynchpool of 4 with 7 players left?

bystanders of the fight were emps and wicked. hence if pops also flips town then we need to add emps in, can't just give him a free pass

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VOTE: pops

Lets keep the PR talk down to a minimum ye?

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Waiting for emps to do something?
Good luck

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What do you guys think of Pop's wall

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Well she put datisi as most town while simulatenously shading her a bit

Says luca is 2nd most town for .. not much reasons

Her reasons for putting me as 3rd most town should have really put me at the top of her 'town reads' tbh.
Like just compare reasons for me vs Luca.

Aldu died, she have be WIFOMing us by including that slot

Has Wicker has 5th ost town while having decent reasons for wicked as town....

Doesn't mention emps at all

I think she's prob scum but its very hard to read people this game.

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caught up to the rest of d1 during night

pops wtf was that hammer

Is that all you've got xD?

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Need to policy vig emps in every game I play with him from now on....

Just checked emps games, this is the only game he is in right now. I'm V/LA and I'm posting more than him wtf?

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Well she put datisi as most town while simulatenously shading her a bit

Says luca is 2nd most town for .. not much reasons

Her reasons for putting me as 3rd most town should have really put me at the top of her 'town reads' tbh.
Like just compare reasons for me vs Luca.

Aldu died, she have be WIFOMing us by including that slot

Has Wicker has 5th ost town while having decent reasons for wicked as town....

Doesn't mention emps at all

I think she's prob scum but its very hard to read people this game.

Pops ignoring my comments on her wall being conflicting.

also, luca and wicked have been posting less then me

you really have it out for me lmao

Are you really trying to say you have contributed more than Luca? Even wicked contributed more tbf..

It's amazing how you have more posts than me yet contributed nothing day 1.

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Ok I'm awake read the last few pages and uhhh

Pops, did you ever say what made you change your mind on Wicked? Who's icon's partner?

it has to be Alimdia. if it's you, Luca, emps, or wicked, it's a deepwolfing, with an asterisk on emps that i've been over

Remember how I was 3rd most town on Pop's list?

Still v/la so can't make proper posts

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he is scum that is angry that he has an alignment inherent requirement to post when he'd rather not so it makes him angry when you shirk your game-commitment requirement to post when you'd rather not
pedit: i was @ emps

um.... wtf? Nobody has an inherent requirement to post when they're V/LA. I'm just posting when I can.

‘Aimless’ is exactly what I’d expect from newbscum tbh.

The only other player I’d consider lynching today is Wicked.

Excuse me, I've played over 200 games of mafia! You take that back

i strongly advise not pushing alim today

Yeah listen to my bro here.

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it looks like I noted
inside the post I noticed that my own reasoning wasn't matching my reads perfectly, then I change my position to "5th at least"
which theoretically ranges as high as 1st

That happened in real time
Why is it scum indicative? Does town!pops have her ranking set in stone and scum!pops doesn't, and empslessly so?
I'm not even sure you're genuinely concerned, I think you're taking potshots that sound like scumhunting.

I'm sorry, I don't buy this real time shit. IT takes 0 effort to just copy and paste Wicked's section up to 3rd or something. Also... arguing on a technicality? Come on..

I assumed I said "datisi is town but I wish she'd revert her avatar" or something equally silly. But now I look back and I didn't shade her at all,
so what the heck are you talking about? I wish she'd read my slot correctly this game, I might have voiced some kind of frustration for that at some point(?)
but mafia's a hard game, it wouldn't be shade, just, aww shucks.

Re: Throwing shade on Datisi:
"she has to mislynch - multiple- slots to burn her town equity"
"if she is somehow scum, shake her hand..........................."

You also do that with Luca, and say if he's scum he's powerwolfing. Same with emps... when he hasn't power'ed anything...

quickhammering was a game action that I felt improved my chance to win. I'm not convinced it was wrong to do. There is a hidden tracker in the game, tracker can be pretty powerful. There's a good chance the quickhammer didn't get me lynched, or I would have been lynched anyway, either one negates that cost. There's a good chance Menalque would have lynched before game outcome anyway. I am sorry if it made you feel bad. I tried to dress it up as best I could to make it less frustrating but I have to play to win

Calling me "cute" isn't a game action. Maybe it kind of is, if you are trying to bait some kind of reaction to read me. I get the feeling you're just messing with me for the sake of it, so in that case it isn't. In which case please stop.

You didn't know there was a tracker before you hammered.
A tracker is pretty shet when theres more than 1 scum.

Overall, the first part of the post doesn't make sense. If you are town, I don't see how quickhammering improved your chance to win, unless you're scum.

Either way, I was already have doubts over your slot and I'm not sure I can see past your lynch right now.

Words out of my mouth

Finally, gaslighting is a very serious accusation.

In conclusion, I think pops is just flinging shit everywhere and see where it sticks.
I went from 3rd most townie to scumteam with Icon.

I much prefer if Wicked came to give his thoughts though

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Nice work on the win fellas. Sorry I wasn't of much help, I couldn't convince other people to lynch emps haha.

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My signature still holds true

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Datisi's memes are the best

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Very interested to see the mafia QT, I wanna know how they thought I was a PR

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Can you scumfucks say "no redactions" so i can read the scumchat pls

emps ~ ~

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Quickly skimmed the scum PT, Icon thinking I was some sort of weird cop that sends results to him was funny af.

If emps put half as much effort into the scum PT into the game (I'm not talking about #posts), he'd prob not be targetted by me for being anti-town.