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Hello, Amrun.
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Do you want to try to explain the no kill last night?is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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It was interesting. Did you notice who wasn't tracked?
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What does this mean?In post 40, Little Grey Cells wrote:
And Bingle is tl Zenith for being jumpy.In post 39, Little Grey Cells wrote:@Enter, I don’t understand why there would be a kill on N0 or am I just not understanding the setup here?
Anyway, I think you asking about that, reads town indicative, so congrats, you’re my first townlean in this game. \o/
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Yes. Do you?
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Instead, let's go around the room and say whether or not we have a read.
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I'm really not sure what you're getting at here, with either part. Should I be?In post 60, Haggle wrote:
Disappointed there's been no offers yet. Well, this is our last game before retirement, so it'd be a real shame if there were any tragicIn post 36, Haggle wrote:
I think I could swing that. I can probably read the even ones too. Nothing to hide, just seeing if anyone's gonna offer us a buyout for early retirement. Been in this line of work too long.In post 24, Haggle wrote:Could you all slow down with the posts? I'm playing 50 games simultaneously at the moment, so I'd really appreciate it if we could keep it to 10 posts a day. If there's any more than that, I suppose I could read every even post, and Billy could read every odd post.
@Billy: How does that sound? Speaking of sound, you've been suspiciously quiet recently. Got something to hide???
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Spicy. Pick someone new.In post 62, Haggle wrote:I too, have a read.
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I'll take this as a "no?"
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I've had my good games and my bad ones.In post 81, Haggle wrote:
No, but Billy is. Once, it was just him and 2 scum left alive, and he managed to convince them to bus each other, and he cleaned up the remaining one in the night with his vig shot.In post 75, Enter wrote:Are you good at mafia?
Are you?
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Considering you seem to be one of the largest contributors, mind joining the game with the rest of us?In post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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How good was your best game?In post 83, Haggle wrote:
Oh, wow. Me too!In post 82, Enter wrote:
I've had my good games and my bad ones.In post 81, Haggle wrote:
No, but Billy is. Once, it was just him and 2 scum left alive, and he managed to convince them to bus each other, and he cleaned up the remaining one in the night with his vig shot.In post 75, Enter wrote:Are you good at mafia?
Are you?
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You never fail to impress.In post 87, Amrun wrote:In post 79, Enter wrote:Is anyone here good at mafia?
No.
Re: flavor claiming.
Like no it probably wouldn’t be a big deal either way, but it’s really unlikely to help the town, and has an off chance of hurting town. So let’s not. No one has made a viable argument for why it’s helpful.
How are you doing on reads?
I think I have two right now, neither is particularly strong, however.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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I haven't been a fan of any of Zenith's posts so far. They seem very much more interested in trying to look like they're contributing than actually doing so.In post 90, Amrun wrote:
VOTE: ZenithIn post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.
I did mean to do this, though.
Because this post is gross.
Uncrowned is my top pick for town. He seems to be vomiting whatever is on his mind, which is not well thought out. He’d probably think more first if scum.
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I'm trying something new. I like how it worked for me in Perfect Masquerade and so I think I'll do it a bit longer.In post 92, Amrun wrote:Enter, why are you playing so close to the chest?
I have a theory that this is at least slightly more optimal for several reasons (some that I won't discuss right now) but one of them is that it causes discussion to be slightly less tailored and scripted based on what players think others are thinking, and I think that makes people more uncomfortable and more likely to play with a little less mask.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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We were town, and yes, we won.In post 95, Amrun wrote:
I didn’t read this game - were you town? Scum? Did you win?In post 93, Enter wrote:
I'm trying something new. I like how it worked for me in Perfect Masquerade and so I think I'll do it a bit longer.In post 92, Amrun wrote:Enter, why are you playing so close to the chest?
I have a theory that this is at least slightly more optimal for several reasons (some that I won't discuss right now) but one of them is that it causes discussion to be slightly less tailored and scripted based on what players think others are thinking, and I think that makes people more uncomfortable and more likely to play with a little less mask.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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You've made it very apparent that you're remarkably new and don't know what's going on, so I'm going to go easy on you for the first response. I appreciate that you seem to be trying hard, but if you think the claim discussion is getting anywhere, it isn't. The reason no one seriously responded to you was because (as you discovered by talking to yourself) the whole fake claim train of thought was silly and a dead end discussion that makes it look like you're adding content to the game while you're not - at least nothing worthwhile. It's disadvantageous for us to even approach discussion on the matter because it avoids anyone doing anything actually alignment indicative, as meta discussion is very easy to fake as scum.
Additionally, what I'm doing is not meaningless, nor is it fluff-posting. I'm not going to get into a whole lot it right now because I might make it slightly harder on myself if I do, but I'm very willing to talk about it post-game with you. I promise I'm trying just as hard as you are, I'm just more effective. Relax, play the game, and learn. No one is good at the start. As stated earlier, no one is good right now, and I've been playing since 2012.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Explain this in detail, please.In post 108, Uncrowned wrote:I think its a town move by zenith to want to try and semi confirm at least 3 townies through that planis cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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@Zenith - additionally, save that energy for later, you'll need it when the game gets more difficult. Make notes to yourself about what posts mean to you and your thoughts on them - it will help you get farther in depth on your reads. If you burn yourself out trying to make something happen in the first few days, you'll probably get shot night 1 and then not even care how the game ends (or maybe you will) and some lurker will be there in Lylo losing the game by lynching the player you knew was scum from the start. The game plays with time, it's not something you can pour effort into in a short burst and get immediate returns - it's a long term investment and you have to keep putting in, and honestly, it will usually take back more than it gives you.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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@Uncrowned, I've looked at your post and I still don't understand how what you're trying to say about Zenith frames them as town, so I'm going to put what you're saying into practice for you, and if you could explain how that implies a town WINCON, I would be very grateful.
In Practice:In post 112, Uncrowned wrote:
Well first theyre limiting the amount of claims which lowers the probability of scum infiltrating with a fake flavor claimIn post 110, Enter wrote:
Explain this in detail, please.In post 108, Uncrowned wrote:I think its a town move by zenith to want to try and semi confirm at least 3 townies through that plan
9 Players. Every player has a claim on the list, none of which conflict.
Based on this plan, 3 players flavor claim. Scum are not in any worse of a position, because they still have their flavor claims that no town player has.
Assuming Victor is a power role, scum are, in fact, in a better position, because they know three town players that are not Victor, and have a higher likelihood of hitting Victor during the night. (Now instead of it being 1/7 chance, it's 1/4)
So this part of the plan is actually scum motivated.
Verbally announcing what an obvious scum play would be (assumptions continued from before) is not difficult for scum to do; I don't see how this frames Zenith in town at all.Second thet seem weary of revealing a flavor that could be a PR (Victor) so that appears anti scum to me
Why would scum not want claims?Third i dont think theyd come up with that plan in detail which goes against the general vibe of this thread which has been "lets not flavor claim" why come up with that idea and put yourself under the microscope from people who dont want claims if youre scum?
The summation of his argument that he finishes against himself is that scum DO want claims, or at least that's what it should have been. So by trying to discuss the game mechanically, the player seems to be looking for town points by posting content regularly that is game related but isn't difficult to post as scum (and even the strategy suggested is somewhat scum aligned, given the assumptions that Zenith makes).
None of this argument really provides solid reason that Zenith is really town aligned at all, except perhaps for the fact that the player is putting themselves under the microscope, but that's a play I'd really only give credit to a player for making if I believed the player was aware enough of how a mafia game plays out to know not to do that as scum, which Zenith has made it relatively obvious that he isn't, IMO.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Ironic how you try to dismiss everything as me "throwing a newb card at you" instead of responding in kind.In post 113, Zenith wrote:How's the weather up there? Please don't throw the newb card down at me in dismissal.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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To be more clear - I'm not dismissing what you're doing because you're new, I'm telling you what you're doing is bad because what you're doing because it's bad and pushes a scum agenda.In post 113, Zenith wrote:How's the weather up there? Please don't throw the newb card down at me in dismissal.
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Quote me "throwing the newb card at you"In post 118, Zenith wrote:
And yet you continue to throw the newb card at me after I asked you not to. You keep making baseless assumptions about me. What did I dismiss? What specifically do you want me to respond to?In post 116, Enter wrote:
Ironic how you try to dismiss everything as me "throwing a newb card at you" instead of responding in kind.In post 113, Zenith wrote:How's the weather up there? Please don't throw the newb card down at me in dismissal.
You dismissed my entire string of posts on why what you're doing is bad and why your stance on the game and the way other people are playing is bad as "throwing the newb card at you" - I merely said I wasn't going to be as harsh with you because your new.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Instead of talking about how your play has been scum-aligned, you're trying to avoid that discussion by saying I'm just calling you new, which I'm not. I'm saying the way you're playing and the things you're saying are bad.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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I don't think there is a general train of thought for Zenith to go against here, unless you're seeing something different than me. He was the one to bring the subject up, as as far as I'm aware, nothing he's said has been particularly contrary to what other players have said previously.In post 121, Uncrowned wrote:@Enter Okay, I see your reasoning, I agree with most of that actually, I was looking at it more surface level like "if we can can somewhat confirm some town, it'll be easier to hit scum" but assuming Zenith is scum you're right, that does make it easier to hit a PR assuming that none of the partners are PRs.
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What is your meta? What are you even trying to get at here? You can't say "I'm a bad player and will be lynch bait every game." That's not how it works. Players that are lynch bait every game aren't lynch bait every game as part of their meta. They have something they do or a way they approach the game or a style of saying things that makes them lynch bait.In post 127, Zenith wrote:
I predicted last game that I'm likely to be lynch bait in this game.In post 114, Little Grey Cells wrote:What do you think of the motivations for people on you?
I'm an easy target and don't care. (This will be my meta and isn't AI, so deal with it.)
Probably a little OMGUS thrown in as well.
From my personal notes PT I requested in pre-game:
Amrun +1 / -0.5
Haggle (Hectic + Billy Pligrim) -1
Don't expect me to post a full reads list because it's highly unlikely to happen.
Which question?In post 114, Little Grey Cells wrote:Why is my question scummy in your eyes?
How about here:In post 119, Enter wrote: Quote me "throwing the newb card at you"In post 109, Enter wrote: You've made it very apparent that you're remarkably new and don't know what's going on, so I'm going to go easy on you for the first response.
That's not me dismissing you at all? That's just me telling you that I'm going to be less harsh because you're new.
That's you being bad, not you being new.And then again after I asked you not to here:
Not to mention the condescending tone in your last few posts hasn't exactly been subtle. Lot of blatant handholding going on there, and generally acting like I don't know how to wipe my ass.In post 115, Enter wrote: None of this argument really provides solid reason that Zenith is really town aligned at all, except perhaps for the fact that the player is putting themselves under the microscope, but that's a play I'd really only give credit to a player for making if I believed the player was aware enough of how a mafia game plays out to know not to do that as scum, which Zenith has made it relatively obvious that he isn't, IMO.
And if you play like you don't know how to wipe your ass, you're gonna be treated like it. If I don't feel like you'll understand me when I use big words, I won't use big words. It has nothing to do with your experience, it has everything to do with you complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously, and when you did so, you did so like a child.
Nowhere in this post did I say it was because you were new, I said it was because your play this game has not displayed competence.
I'm very aware of my assumptions, I have no problem making assumptions and I don't run from them because they're usually very useful as well as on point. If you did read my post in it's entirety, either your comprehension of them was lacking and you failed to attempt to expand it, or you understood and responded in a way that displayed something to the opposite.
No I didn't. I've read everything you have said. You seem to like making assumptions, I wonder how conscious of them you are.In post 119, Enter wrote: You dismissed my entire string of posts on why what you're doing is bad and why your stance on the game and the way other people are playing is bad as "throwing the newb card at you"is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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I made the assumption that you think you're something special that I haven't seen before, and so far I've been pretty spot on, as this post displays.In post 128, Zenith wrote:I get that it's easy to make assumptions about me, but I don't recommend it.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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You spent the first couple pages of the game trying to frame claiming (a scum-oriented play) as a town oriented play (more discussion on this in previous posts, and I can go into more detail later if required), then whined when other players weren't discussing your bad ideas with you and claimed you were the only one trying instead of engaging people individually. Then when you were confronted about this, rather than changing your approach and attempting to play the game or responding to the person confronting you on why you think you're right, you decided to continue to whine about not being taken seriously. Finally, when the person confronting you full on explained to you why they disagreed (because you failed to present a counter-argument yourself or even show you understood why they opposed your standing) you complained that they were talking down to you and dismissing you. Do you not see how if you'd just done something different at any of those forks in the road, you wouldn't have reached this point? Do you not see that I'm explaining things to you because instead of you displaying an understanding yourself or presenting counter argument, you're trying to dismiss me and make indirect comments.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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EBWOPIn post 132, Enter wrote:You spent the first couple pages of the game trying to frame claiming (a scum-oriented play) as a town oriented play (more discussion on this in previous posts, and I can go into more detail later if required), then whined when other players weren't discussing your bad ideas with you and claimed you were the only one trying instead of engaging people individually. Then when you were confronted about this, rather than changing your approach and attempting to play the game or responding to the person confronting you on why you think you're right, you decided to continue to whine about not being taken seriously. Finally, when the person confronting you full on explained to you why they disagreed (because you failed to present a counter-argument yourself or even show you understood why they opposed your standing) you complained that they were talking down to you and dismissing you. Do you not see how if you'd just done something different at any of those forks in the road, you wouldn't have reached this point? Do you not see that I'm explaining things to you because instead of you displaying an understanding yourself or presenting counter argument, you're trying to dismiss me and make indirect comments about how terrible your condition is and how people should accept your play as your new norm because it's not gonna change?
Also your whole thing about "accept that I'm lynchbait it's my meta" reads a whole lot like "I'm going to not try to get better or change how I play the game at all for you, I want you to try to change to accommodate me."is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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You have yet to do anything unpredictable. I wouldn't get too full of yourself yet.In post 134, Zenith wrote:
Good luck trying to figure me out. Wouldn't recommend it. I always open with the 8-8 on the 19x19 goban, because I can. Because I could care less about pre-existing metagame rules saying what is bad or good play. Ultimately everything in this game is wifom. Optimal play can duck itself when viable play can be more funIn post 130, Enter wrote:
I made the assumption that you think you're something special that I haven't seen before, and so far I've been pretty spot on, as this post displays.In post 128, Zenith wrote:I get that it's easy to make assumptions about me, but I don't recommend it.
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If only failing to recall things made them not true.In post 137, Zenith wrote:
Yea, i don't recall doing that.It has everything to do with you complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously
It's always hard to list facts that don't exist.
I doubt your many assumptions could be more off base. You've made a lot of them, but I don't really feel like listing them all. Doesn't seem productive.and so far I've been pretty spot on
What was the point of saying anything in the first place?
More like, I intend to evolve and improve over time, but duck this game's meta / ideas about optimal play. I'm going to be me and you're free to react to that however you want.Also your whole thing about "accept that I'm lynchbait it's my meta" reads a whole lot like "I'm going to not try to get better or change how I play the game at all for you, I want you to try to change to accommodate me."
Nice. We don't disagree here.
I mean I'm not going to argue against math, and I'll hear out people's opinions on things, but I'm not going to follow some guide on how to be some boring cookie cutter player. More fun to figure things out via experience and come to my own conclusions without compromising my identity.
You said good luck trying to figure me out. And I'm saying that nothing you've done has been even slightly difficult to figure out. I'd prefer it if you were just what you were, and didn't complain about other people reacting to you being you - because those people are just being themselves as well. Funnily enough, I was fine to let you play until you started saying the way other people were playing was annoying to you.
What makes you assume i would want to be unpredictable?You have yet to do anything unpredictable. I wouldn't get too full of yourself yet.
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You: Please let me just play how I want to play, I don't care about optimal or good play, I just wanna play like me
You: Why isn't anyone playing the way I want them to play? I'm the only one trying here and it sucks!
You: You won't figure me out, Enter!
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Except I can, because it did.In post 141, Zenith wrote:
If only you had some evidence to back your assertions.In post 139, Enter wrote:
If only failing to recall things made them not true.In post 137, Zenith wrote:
Yea, i don't recall doing that.It has everything to do with you complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously
Please, bring it. If you can. Which you can't, because it never happened.
In post 70, Zenith wrote:Since people seem to have ignored my earlier post..In post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.In post 101, Zenith wrote:It irks me that i get accused of being one of the biggest contributors of fluff when other people are literally shitposting.. Like talking about unrelated games, claiming scum, and generally trolling nonsense..
I pointed out that fakeclaims are definitely a thing in response to suggestion that maybe there's some ambiguity there. Gave my 2 cents on the massclaim idea, and repeated myself about fakeclaims for sure being a thing, because ppl seem to either not be paying attention or straight up ignoring me. I'm not the one shitting on the thread for the luls here.
Funny how you ask me for evidence and then fail to provide your own, consistent with your inconsistency. Seriously though, please point out just three for me, since the list is so long.
Agreed, but not difficult to make a list of your assumptions if I wanted to. I don't. We could go down that route if you truly insist, but I don't see the point. Specially considering you have admitted to making assumptions.In post 139, Enter wrote:
It's always hard to list facts that don't exist.
I doubt your many assumptions could be more off base. You've made a lot of them, but I don't really feel like listing them all. Doesn't seem productive.and so far I've been pretty spot on
I also enjoy the pastime of incessantly contradicting myself and then trying to call myself town afterwards while simultaneously attempting to sate and blind my rival by calling him town.Btw, you're welcome to continue doing whatever you want, but I'd prefer to wrap up this back and forth soon. I've already gotten what I wanted from it, and advanced some reads, but it's about time for me to move on. FYI, I'm getting tvt vibes here.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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You rephrasing what I said in different words doesn't make it a misrep.
Yes, this is what I've been saying.
Put up or shut up?Except I can, because it did.
You seem to think that assumptions are anything different from deductions, and you seem to be stuck viewing them in a negative light. I don't think I've ever argued whether or not I'm making assumptions, merely whether or not any of them are baseless.
Isn't that what you are doing? And I already mentioned that you admitted to making assumptions.Funny how you ask me for evidence and then fail to provide your own, consistent with your inconsistency. Seriously though, please point out just three for me, since the list is so long.
First, I have never tried to say I'm not making assumptions about you. I've only said that none of them have been wrong. In addition, you didn't even quote any assumptions I made in the thread, much less ones that have been off-base as you claim.
If you want to try to claim that you haven't been making assumptions about me, well that would seem pretty ridiculous to me.In post 130, Enter wrote:
I made the assumption that you think you're something special that I haven't seen before, and so far I've been pretty spot on, as this post displays.In post 128, Zenith wrote:I get that it's easy to make assumptions about me, but I don't recommend it.
But now that you insist on digging this whole deeper, please quote me trying to say that I don't make assumptions about you.
I don't assume that, you said in this post here that you were new:In post #109 you assume that I'm, "remarkably new and don't know what's going on"In post 102, Zenith wrote:I mean, I just finished my first game where I happened to roll scum despite wanting to be town. So initially i was hyped for my first game as town. Yay I finally get to try scumhunting for reals! But then game starts and it's been like crawling through a sewer.. What am I supposed to do with all this turd? And then when I ask why there's a bunch of turd smeared on the walls, I get a stinky finger pointing at me and declaring me the poop bandit!
I'd rather not have to replace out, but the hype is completely gone, replaced by an awful stink.
No, what leads me to putting on my IC hat is you failing to understand the first time I say something. That was when I realized that I needed to explain in more detail.Which leads you to putting on your IC hat and explaining basic shit without being asked, as if we were on the road to Rome. It doesn't really make sense to start explaining things to someone if you think they already know the things you are trying to explain.
If you already knew what I was trying to explain, why didn't you respond as such?
No, I didn't assume you dismissed my string of posts. You dismissed my string of posts here:In post #119 you assumed I dismissed a string of your posts, and assumed reasoning for that assumption:
Instead of responding to them.In post 113, Zenith wrote:How's the weather up there? Please don't throw the newb card down at me in dismissal.
This isn't an assumption at all.
Given you didn't even point out any assumptions, much less assumptions that were incorrect, no, I'm not satisfied. Stop trying to defend your ignorance. It looks silly.Is that enough to satisfy you? May I stop listing your assumptions now?
I did.Could you quote where I was, "complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously" now?
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Having difficulty admitting you've been talking out of your rear the whole time != invoking Poe's law.In post 150, Zenith wrote:Yea like.. I don't even know where to begin unpacking that last post. Much easier to invoke Poe's law and move on. Plus we've made a pretty big mess to the point where continuing to clog the thread would likely be anti-town at best.
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You even contradict yourself in this post:In post 150, Zenith wrote:Yea like.. I don't even know where to begin unpacking that last post. Much easier to invoke Poe's law and move on. Plus we've made a pretty big mess to the point where continuing to clog the thread would likely be anti-town at best.
If you legitimately believed there was anything to unpack (as you imply in the first half of this post) there would be no reason to invoke Poe's law (implying there is nothing to unpack as everything I've said facetiously means quite the contrary and I'm actually agreeing with you) as you state in the second half.
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Let's actually look at what you claimed was a misrep in exact quotes, because it's actually kinda funny to me how much you attempt to outright deny things you did only a few hours ago:
Spoiler: Posts about how no one will figure you out
Spoiler: Posts about how you don't care if people figure you out
Spoiler: Posts complaining about how other people play
Spoiler: Posts talking about how you're going to play however you want regardless of what others say
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What happened to Poe's Law?In post 153, Zenith wrote:quote where I was, "complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously"is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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In post 142, Enter wrote:In post 70, Zenith wrote:Since people seem to have ignored my earlier post..
[Continues with meta discussion]In post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.In post 101, Zenith wrote:It irks me that i get accused of being one of the biggest contributors of fluff when other people are literally shitposting.. Like talking about unrelated games, claiming scum, and generally trolling nonsense..
I pointed out that fakeclaims are definitely a thing in response to suggestion that maybe there's some ambiguity there. Gave my 2 cents on the massclaim idea, and repeated myself about fakeclaims for sure being a thing, because ppl seem to either not be paying attention or straight up ignoring me. I'm not the one shitting on the thread for the luls here.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Ignoring that I have done so twice now doesn't make it go away.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Wait, maybe if I explain more, that will help. I was trying to avoid getting to this phase so I wouldn't have to deal with you trying to say I'm talking down to you again, but since you insist:
In the first post, you complain about people not taking your meta discussion more seriously by remarking that you were ignored and restating with the hope that someone, in fact, will take you seriouslyIn post 156, Enter wrote:In post 142, Enter wrote:In post 70, Zenith wrote:Since people seem to have ignored my earlier post..
[Continues with meta discussion]In post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.In post 101, Zenith wrote:It irks me that i get accused of being one of the biggest contributors of fluff when other people are literally shitposting.. Like talking about unrelated games, claiming scum, and generally trolling nonsense..
I pointed out that fakeclaims are definitely a thing in response to suggestion that maybe there's some ambiguity there. Gave my 2 cents on the massclaim idea, and repeated myself about fakeclaims for sure being a thing, because ppl seem to either not be paying attention or straight up ignoring me. I'm not the one shitting on the thread for the luls here.
In the second quote, you remark that, in contrast to talking about your meta discussion, which, at this point, is just about the only thing you've talked about thus far, people are talking about other things.
In the third quote, you note that you are frustrated that your meta discussion is being considered fluff while other people are not talking about your meta discussion at all. You go on to explain that you have pointed out what you felt was interesting on the topic, that you have repeated yourself on the topic, and still people continue to not take you seriously by ignoring you, and point out, that in contrast, players are talking about other things.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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And complaining that people were ignoring your initial statement. That's what remarking on other people ignoring it is - A complaint. Call it something else, I'll change my statement to "remarking that other people aren't taking your meta discussion seriously." Either way it means the same thing. I really don't care how you put it here.In post 160, Zenith wrote:Post 70 was me restating the fact that there are fakeclaims, for the people who at the time seemed to not realize that it is a fact that there are fake claims.
Which looks an awful lot like complaining, in context. What would you prefer they talk about, one might ask themselves? Well to answer that question, one must only look at your posts - game meta is the only thing you've really talked about this far, and you've already commented on being ignored. Seems pretty obvious what this post is to me, no matter how you try to frame it now.Post 84 was an observation which had nothing to do with anything other than noticing all the fluff and shitposting.
Yes. Which you followed up with a brief recap of your activity up to that point (meta discussion) and complain that you've been ignored. LOL.
Out of the 3, post 101 is the only complaint, and I was complaining about being falsely accused of being among the biggest contributors of fluff posting when other people were literally shitposting, which I followed up with a brief recap of my activity up to that point.
Please quote where I was, "complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously".
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So what you're trying to say is that throughout this whole process you were coolheaded -- you didn't care that no one was engaging you or responding to your posts? That the idea that you're irked or annoyed is me reading into it too much - you're really only annoyed that players are... what? What would you have considered not fluff-posting that was also not engaging you in your meta discussion?
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None of the quoted posts display frustration that players have not yet engaged you on the topic that you've brought up innumerable times now, and you are bringing up the same topic repeatedly because it gives you pleasure to talk to yourself in the thread?is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Obviously this isn't it, but help me understand. Help me put all the puzzle pieces back together, then, in a way that makes sense.In post 164, Enter wrote:None of the quoted posts display frustration that players have not yet engaged you on the topic that you've brought up innumerable times now, and you are bringing up the same topic repeatedly because it gives you pleasure to talk to yourself in the thread?is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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You threatened to replace out and you're telling me that that isn't strong emotion.
I actually don't understand how you can so boldly stand in such stark contrast to yourself while holding stubbornly that you do not.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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I don't care about the meta discussion all that much as far as this is concerned; Did you or did you not threaten to replace out due to the state of the game?In post 129, Enter wrote:It has nothing to do with your experience, it has everything to do with you complaining about your meta discussion not being taken more seriously, and when you did so, you did so like a child.is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Create discussion and get a sense of where players are on the game. What else would be the point?In post 169, Gamma Emerald wrote:I do
You’re scum.
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You literally just quoted a post of mine crafted to generate discussion, and I'm actively pursuing players, coming out of RVS not entirely sure what you expect?In post 172, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The crow calls the raven black I seeIn post 85, Enter wrote:
Considering you seem to be one of the largest contributors, mind joining the game with the rest of us?In post 84, Zenith wrote:I'm noticing a rather large quantity of seemingly pointless fluff.
Funny, it was intended to make you feel the opposite way about it. That said, I've done an awful lot for only looking like it, I think. It's RVS, though, or close enough for it to count. Drop a vote.In post 173, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Looking like you are doing somethingIn post 171, Enter wrote:
Create discussion and get a sense of where players are on the game. What else would be the point?In post 169, Gamma Emerald wrote:I do
You’re scum.
What’s the point of this?
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This is not a threat to replace out:In post 174, Zenith wrote:
Lol wow.. So much misinterpretation!In post 167, Enter wrote:You threatened to replace out and you're telling me that that isn't strong emotion.
I actually don't understand how you can so boldly stand in such stark contrast to yourself while holding stubbornly that you do not.
I didn't threaten to replace out...
I was describing my state as specifically not being to the level of replacing. In a post mentioning crawling through a sewer and poop smeared walls.
Got it.In post 102, Zenith wrote:
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