Unless this has changed, Asriel and Eve are the only ones with 2 votes.
Actually Pops has switched to Asriel. So our best chance of avoiding a no lynch is to get 3 coordinated votes on either. @Cheeky why do you think Asriel is mech important to the gamestate? Maybe base my vote on this, since I have no clue which cards are more useful, if that’s what you’re basing this on?
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Post #842 (isolation #202) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:48 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 772, Eve wrote:decisions are hard - but i think i prefer doc overall
cheeky making those comments at fire sneakers feels kinda unnecessary and makes it harder for her if she's scum
VOTE: Doc
@Eve, who is the “her” in that last part of this post? It did ping me as a really strange post. And earlier she said I was buddies with Asriel, I don’t know why.
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Post #845 (isolation #205) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:56 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 841, popsofctown wrote:I think she was suggesting Asriel is smart with mechanics. But so am I.. although I might get NKed
@Pops, based on this post and the mech argument, do you think Eve may be a better option than Asriel? Also Asriel flip if scum - gives us no info but Eve scum flip means I’m wrong on Cheeky, so Eve scum flip probably ICs Cheeky?
In post 841, popsofctown wrote:I think she was suggesting Asriel is smart with mechanics. But so am I.. although I might get NKed
@Pops, based on this post and the mech argument, do you think Eve may be a better option than Asriel? Also Asriel flip if scum - gives us no info but Eve scum flip means I’m wrong on Cheeky, so Eve scum flip probably ICs Cheeky?
is it bad i've changed my mind on asriel again? can we compromise compromise lynch?
if it's asriel he's probably scum with fire sneakers though
In post 772, Eve wrote:decisions are hard - but i think i prefer doc overall
cheeky making those comments at fire sneakers feels kinda unnecessary and makes it harder for her if she's scum
VOTE: Doc
In post 786, Eve wrote:sorry i'm bad...
i don't know how to defend myself against those arguments sh0s
cheeky i think she's town - not know?
In post 788, Eve wrote:can we lynch Cheeky for her sudden flip on me? i don't see how me saying i think she would try not to aggravate fire sneakers as scum equates to me knowing fire sneakers is town - i really don't like it
What? Wait?
She has been back and forth flipping on me, where as Asriel has been consistent.
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Post #862 (isolation #212) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:46 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 859, popsofctown wrote:I'm assuming it had to be based on his types. God and Devil are pretty good. I think Healer is better, but mafia doesn't seem to agree. That could mean town's reads are wrong since Healer is one where you kind of jump facefirst into a loss if your reads are wrong, but like, what are the consensus reads, how are the mafia sure?
I think this might suggest that shos is likely to be scum, because if the goal was to cut off God and Devil, shos also had those types and would be harder to
In post 859, popsofctown wrote:I'm assuming it had to be based on his types. God and Devil are pretty good. I think Healer is better, but mafia doesn't seem to agree. That could mean town's reads are wrong since Healer is one where you kind of jump facefirst into a loss if your reads are wrong, but like, what are the consensus reads, how are the mafia sure?
I think this might suggest that shos is likely to be scum, because if the goal was to cut off God and Devil, shos also had those types and would be harder to
mislynch.
???
If shos and Asriel were both town, the mafia would have shot shos instead of Asriel, because they have mostly the same types, and out of the two of them Asriel would be much easier to mislynch.
It's a hypothetical.
He’s the only other proficient mech player, so scum would prefer not to have had him around?
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Post #871 (isolation #216) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 870, popsofctown wrote:The players who would make a types bonus not trigger if they are lynched today are Dr. Drew, myself, and Fire Sneakers. Even if you think both scum are in those three, it doesn't make sense to lynch among those three, because it's not LyLo yet and the bonuses are all worth like at least a clear.
Lol, I don’t understand any of this. I still prefer Cheeky but I can switch to Shos based on your NKA.
Okay, on second thought, I’m good with Cheeky wagon. I had a strong gut tr on Shos and now we know Cheeky was just posturing, I feel really confident on my initial read. She’s now trying to set us up just like she set up Eve. I’m not falling for anymore of her tricks.
She was faking us out. If town is stupid enough to fall for this, we deserve to lose. I thought when does Cheeky just give up like ever? Last time, she’s fooling me, I see right through her now but damn! she’s good.
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Post #879 (isolation #220) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:30 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 788, Eve wrote:can we lynch Cheeky for her sudden flip on me? i don't see how me saying i think she would try not to aggravate fire sneakers as scum equates to me knowing fire sneakers is town - i really don't like it
if you believe that flubber: she's been saying all game i'm town but posts this shortly after i was considering lynching her and i don't think it's good reasoning
would you vote for cheeky? asriel is the compromise compromise compromise
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Post #881 (isolation #221) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:38 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
I would have never voted anyone other than Cheeky had we more time. I didn’t want either Eve or Asriel lynched but no way does town!Cheeky ever pull this kind of manipulation. I am never unvoting this slot until if flips, I don’t gaf about any cards.
And I said it before and I’ll say it again - in the 3% chance she’s town, I’m more than happy to die, if I’m wrong. I seriously doubt I am though. We’re just wifom guessing with Shos or anyone else, Cheeky otoh has 97% > rand chance of flipping scum. We can worry about who’s ever her buddy later.
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Post #882 (isolation #222) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:43 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 880, popsofctown wrote:If we lynch Cheeky, that's healer route, so we will have to vote on two players, and win if those two players are town, and lose if they are not.
I still don’t understand any of this but if the rest of the playerlist is fooled by her, we’re losing anyway. Whomever is her buddy, is a lot less dangerous. The fact is that no one wanted to lynch her yesterday and she tricked us into lynching Eve. My theory is an NK on Eve would have looked a lot worse for her than Asriel, so that’s why she refused to budge.
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Post #884 (isolation #223) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
I don’t understand this crazy game where we can’t lynch obvscum because of cards. We might as well hand her the win but according to you, we lose either way right? So we’re fucked no matter what.
Eve for one, not like we had a lot of choice with having to choose between two tvt wagons or no lynch but if I have to understand the cards to figure this out, then we are essentially forced to solve with essentially wifom, rather than good old-fashioned scimhunting. :/
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Post #1145 (isolation #228) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:44 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1132, popsofctown wrote:Oh right Eve pointed out in dead thread that lynching cheeky and a heal townblock with pisskop would have won.
Why did pyrhha replace out? That was a huge turning point
Sorry Pops, I would have never allowed you to get mislynched had I stayed. Sorry Cheeky, I really thought you were scum.
I was seriously overgamed, I didn’t understand the mechanics and us being forced to mislynch Eve, mainly due to needing maj lynch and time runing out, kind of soured me on the game. Nothing I hate worse than mislynching, especially when it very likely wouldn’t have happened if we weren’t just trying to avoid a no lynch.
I think plurality lynching could have worked the whole time
It seems the deadlines were too short, I was under the impression that this would be a more fast type of game, I guess I was off the mark
The original way the healer bonus was designed was an instant loss for town if 2 mafia were remaining, which we realized way too late
The attacker bonus provides its benefits at a different time than the other bonuses, and so you guys never saw the benefits
Yes, I hated that we were literally forced to choose between two town players solely due to time. I would have definitely lynched Drew over Eve, had that been an option but I didn’t want to lynch Asriel due to mech reasons
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Post #1149 (isolation #230) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:01 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1147, popsofctown wrote:I'm sorry that was so souring Pyrrha.
It's a flaw in the setup design, majority lynch + evens + the skipped NK being specifically night 2 which makes D1 mislynch better than no lynch in all cases was a perfect storm of bad design.
I bear some mistake in how I made the setup, I shouldn't have overlooked it. It should be changed to address one of those three things IF NOT two of them
Yeah, town should never be put in that kind of position where you are forced to choose between two tr due to time constraints. @Dunn, I think you absolutely should have agreed to my extension request. If a maj lynch is required, than you need a lot more time, especially on D1 but my being seriously overgamed was the main reason but Dunn is also saying that the Healer card fucked us anyway, so the setup design was clearly extremely conducive to a scum win.
Not taking anything away from Drew and especially Shos who clearly fooled me but Pops was correct on scum!Shos based on N1 NKA. I actually haven’t had time to follow this game. I saw Dunn’s link in the micro queue, so I posted.
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Post #1157 (isolation #231) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:00 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1153, popsofctown wrote:Fireshoes I appreciate you trying out the setup, it gives me some insight into mafia design to have some variety in perspectives, your perspective was different from more mechanically inclined players like Asriel or shos. I hope you can think of you didn't suffer too much.
<3
I’ll live but seriously the main reason I repped out was because I was way overgamed. It was actually affecting my health atp.
Oh know, why would you think that? That couldn’t be further from the truth. Had you been the NK like you expected, I would probably have replaced out even sooner because I really wanted to play with you. I’d even be up for a possible hydra in the future if you were interested.
But had I actually had the time, I would have probably figured it out, because it’s still way easier to wrap my brain around than that TK game, which I’m still more or less clueless about.
