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Hi everyone, this is my first game on site and I just wanted to say I’m really excited and looking forward to playing with all of you!

I’ve played a couple of games of Avalon and secret Hitler irl, plus a few rounds of ultimate werewolf, but honestly it’s all still pretty new to me. I’ve seen people throw a lot of terminology around when reading some of the games in the Road to Rome section of the forums and it’s all kind of confusing for me

Hope to mostly just make this a learning experience for myself and to keep the environment nice and positive, as I believe in being kind to each other IRL in accordance with the Good Book.

Blessings to all <3

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Hey, IM NOT SCUM

HOW DARE YOU

Everyone, I think that slaxx is being overaggressive and I don’t understand how he can be claiming to have a read on someone on page 1

It seems to me like he’s stretching the truth to try and push a mislynch

Let’s all vote for him

I don’t think I’ve done anything alignment indicative yet so it’s impossible for him to have caught me already!

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Err, *for him to think I’m scum I mean

Like I said this is my first game go easy on me haha thanks everyone

#blessings

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Argh, help me buddy, I’m so lost and I don’t know what to do and the walls are closing in!

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Help me friends*

Haha I posted that in the wrong thread, please ignore it everyone, thanks!

Have a lovely day!

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Help me friends*

Haha I posted that in the wrong thread, please ignore it everyone, thanks!

Have a lovely day!

Because I meant to post it in my neighbourhood thread with my mason buddy, is what I mean here!

Just to make sure there’s no misunderstandings haha!

Wouldn’t want anyone to think I’m scum and I know that I don’t look great right now

But I’m just a town aligned player in my first game accidentally looking scummy

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sircakez and i officially concede

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Hi kanna

get a room: Menalque and best buds

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Oh boy oh boy I think something smart might be town already!

Hard vetoing this read, gonna tell you right now "No." is not out of my scumrange.

But saying that “no” is out of your scum range

is

out of your scumrange, therefore locktown

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Oh boy oh boy oh boy I get to be town with my best bud!

Oh boy oh boy this rvs is really awkward with people trying really hard to be funny

Oh boy oh boy I think something smart might be town already!

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!

-doggo

Err

Excuse you

Trying

and succeeding

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get a room: menalque and cat scratch fever

slaxx you wanna get a room with me or with best buds?

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why is this game so dead? we have 2 slots who haven't posted at all yet

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VOTE: espe

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Hey eveyone! Sorry for my absence yesterday, but

it does not appear that I have missed much

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apart from

fun

amirite

why SS?

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I think you quoted the wrong thing, but okay sure

get a room: best buds and slaxx
get a room: slaxx and mean

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my main thing with the get a room feature is that I think overuse is gonna be anti-town

like main thread is dead enough as things stand, and if people are spending most of their time in rooms instead of in main thread it's going to be a lot of second hand reading (X: "yeah Y is being really towny in our room") vs direct reading

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I don't think that's allowed is it?

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oh nice, it is, I misunderstood

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get a room: best buds, mena, slaxx

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right now your main concern should be voting for the one with me, best buds, and slaxx in it

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they are essentially neighbourhoods that can be chosen by the PL

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I understand what they are. My question was why are we voting for them, and what is the benefit in doing so?

we are voting for them so that slaxx, best buds, and I can get together and solve this game, a plan for which your vote is needed and would be greatly appreciated

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I have a suspicion on who the silent partner in the hydra may be in which case they should be an easy read

ditto on the early townlean on slaxx

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VOTE: SS

Why this vote heaven?

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why is this game so dead? we have 2 slots who haven't posted at all yet

I'm not a detective but I wonder if you and Slaxx memeing aggressively at the start of the game was offputting to people.

What you’re telling me everyone didn’t love that comedy gold

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I understand what they are. My question was why are we voting for them, and what is the benefit in doing so?

Look here Plato...jk

I am early townreading Menal and I want a thread with him.

I have a suspicion on who the silent partner in the hydra may be in which case they should be an easy read

ditto on the early townlean on slaxx

What is it about the other that you two are using to form your early Townreads?

Just felt towny how he riffed off me and my opening posts

I mean I’m not locking him as town but it’s enough to want to have a neighbourhood together

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Hey eveyone! Sorry for my absence yesterday, but

it does not appear that I have missed much

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apart from

fun

amirite

why SS?

@suji

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Don’t make this like it was in that other game where I had to ask you about 5 times to get an answer on anything

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Idea: get every possible pair in the game to post this. We're guaranteed to win.

Congratulations, you figured out why it wasn't okay for him to post that.

I mean I’m p sure plot would not accept even if we did do that strat

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VOTE: sujimichi
Scum vibes

I don't see the advantage of gamesolving in the rooms, personally. And it's easier for scum to pocket in hoods.

Go on

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I have a suspicion on who the silent partner in the hydra may be in which case they should be an easy read

I'm really really curious who you guys think it is btw. Who's my best bud?

~kanna

I kinda wanna hold off on that for just now but I promise I’ll explain later if you ask me in an RL day or two (preferably after we’ve been in the neighbourhood for a while)

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I don't like their recent posts if I wasn't clear btw

Mais pourquoi?

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Slaxx why pick Best Buds for this room? I understand Menal moreso.

Does this mean you are TR'ing Mena?

Who wouldn’t be tbh

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Can more people vote for espe pls

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On the scum vibes bit for suji

What is scummy about best buds wanting to ride the waves?

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Can more people vote for espe pls

How can you ask me to explain my reads but not explain this push?

I mean no-one was asking me to explain it

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I lowkey SR that all his posts until then were on mechanics

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I lowkey SR that all his posts until then were on mechanics

Who are you referring to here

Espe

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I preemptively explained before you asked

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I don’t think we think doggo is the same person

I don’t really see what you’re seeing in suji or best buds tbh. Or like, I do, but I don’t think it’s AI

Have you played with either of them before?

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I lowkey SR that all his posts until then were on mechanics

Who are you referring to here

Espe

Have you read the Slavic Music mafia games? The most important parts of the game happen in the hoods.

I have not

It’s on my todo

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I feel p good about sircakez and slaxx so far

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Kinda thinking that doggo isn’t who I initially thought

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@doggo how would you feel about voting with me on him for now anyway?

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Same question @cakez

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Suji is the same category as SS for me but reversed

I trend towards TRing SS regardless of alignment, I trend towards scumreading suji regardless of alignment

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I would like to see more from cat scratch actually

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Slaxx is a mystery to me still. Also Cat Scratch Fever.
I could wagon Espe but I want to go back to Suji at some point
VOTE: Espeonage

Also

Noice

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Why don’t you wanna sheep me doggo?

I’ll give you a bone and tell you you’re a good boy if you do! Oh yes I will!

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Actually doggo is like between 2 people rn but I don’t think it’s who I initially thought

In fact I’m p sure it’s not who I initially thought now

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I will support that but need 2 more votes on my three way room before it able to vote elsewhere

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I'm having trouble coming up with things to say this game.

Why do you think that is?

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Woof woof!

I still somewhat like SS's tone for town! If I had to guess I'd say SS, Espe, and Cakez might all be town!

I very slightly want to vote Mena

but I'm not sure my BUDDY agrees with me on that read!

I usually wouldn't opt for hoods at all personally but my BUDDY thinks they're fun so why not have fun!

Woof woof!

-Doggo

go on

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Just felt towny how he riffed off me and my opening posts

I mean I’m not locking him as town but it’s enough to want to have a neighbourhood together

I am not sure what you mean by "riffed off me."

as in, went along with me being meme-y

idk there's just a lightheartedness there that I think can be hard to replicate as scum

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So I haven't read the thread yet, but why are you all trying to play the game?

Hood up please.

Why would you prefer for players to discuss separately in Neighborhoods rather than together in this thread?

Apologies. You explained this later in post 130. Could you finish the following portion as it appears that you cut off: "Because if we all keep all info in the public sphere as much as possible then we all g."

ood

If you think it is good to "keep all info in the public sphere as much as possible" then why are you arguing that Rooms are beneficial and we should not be posting here?

so do you wanna maybe vote espe then

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oh yeah, doggo, why do you think espe is town

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VOTE: espe

Why did you vote espe?

I lowkey SR that all his posts until then were on mechanics

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So I haven't read the thread yet, but why are you all trying to play the game?

Hood up please.

Why would you prefer for players to discuss separately in Neighborhoods rather than together in this thread?

Apologies. You explained this later in post 130. Could you finish the following portion as it appears that you cut off: "Because if we all keep all info in the public sphere as much as possible then we all g."

ood

If you think it is good to "keep all info in the public sphere as much as possible" then why are you arguing that Rooms are beneficial and we should not be posting here?

Come back to the thread after you've had hood time. The strength in this game is using the hoods to try and organise things and protect chains and catching lying and catching pocketing. Like you could play it is a normal mafia game but that's scum sided. 2-7 mountainous is bad for town.

okay, so then vote for the slaxx, mena, best buds hood

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I have a secondary scumread but I kinda wanna see how it develops before I out it

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so do you wanna maybe vote espe then

Not at the moment.

why

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you're welcome

pay me back by voting for espe

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so do you wanna maybe vote espe then

Not at the moment.

why

I do not want to place my vote there given that Espeonage provided a response following the post you quoted (post 183) in which he explained their viewpoint on the strength of the Rooms and, while there is still one point of clarification I want him to follow up on, it appears to be coming from a genuinely held belief.

Perhaps a better question is to you for an explanation as to why you want me to vote for Espeonage?

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Why is being contradictory towny?

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I mean, I agree it isn’t scummy but I don’t think it’s necessarily something I’d give townpoints for

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Hm

I think that’s maybe true for newer scum but I think it holds significantly less among those with experience

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Thoughts on the game yet?

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I don’t wanna say yet really but I’d like to hear more from both of them

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Not directly I mean, just like I’d rather continue to watch them both post for now and then I’ll out my read when I’m ready

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VLA until Sunday pls plot

V/LA noted. --P

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next Sunday, to clarify

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UNVOTE:

hi

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I also wanted to quote post 227 but my internet is being shit and I can't be fucked to try and reload it: I was gonna say that you have played with scum me once, in Guns n Roses III

how am I being hard to read?

I think that’s maybe true for newer scum but I think it holds significantly less among those with experience

I'm not sure about that, actually? A lot of scum players, even experienced ones, play to look town above all else.

okay, let's say among good scum who are experienced. I don't think it's an absolute rule but I think newbie scum often get caught in a certain stiffness around trying to look a certain way, and I think that with the shedding of that often goes the feeling of the need to look town too

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@Mena; do you remember our first game together? In the beginning, you meme'd a bit and GBJ joined in (kinda like slaxx in this game), but you thought it was "tryhardy" there and townie here. Why and what's the difference?

~kanna

I can't really give a reason other than it felt different. like the way that GBJ did it seemed like he was trying much too hard to go along with what I was doing, whereas when slaxx did it it felt much more improvised and like he just was going along with it

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Menalque is being hard to read and it feels like it's a little bit on purpose.

I'm pretty sure he did this before but I can't remember where, but I know he was town because I've never played with scum-him. AvP maybe?

Felt like you guys were trying to genuinely solve

Do you have any reads aside from SirCakez?

Thank you. I also currently have a Townread on Slaxx; and, in addition, one on Menalque. I do not have any other reads of significant strength at the moment.

wait, why are you townreading me?

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Danke

Now let's do best buds and alyssa! Yay!

-doggo

you need to revote the neighbourhood to hammer it

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I have to go to class now but I'll be back later

VOTE: sircakez

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I have mixed feeling's about Alyssa the lamb's entrance but she can be town until proven otherwise

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Why are you TRing cakez, Alyssa?

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VOTE: Sujimichi

I'm going to go lie down and hope my migraine goes away while I'm asleep

Oh this is a serious vote if it wasn't already clear

Go on

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I think menalque is the next read I want to properly vet

I’m around somewhat daytime today and should be more around tomorrow

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get a room: Alyssa, BB, heaven

rooms

It takes 4 votes for a 2 person room, 6 for a 3 person room, 8 for a 4 person room

Alyssa The Lamb, Best Buds, Heaven

(6/6): Best Buds, Heaven, Alyssa The Lamb, Slaxx, SirCakez, Menalque

<--ROOM

Not voting

(3) : Sujimichi, Cat Scratch Fever, Something_Smart

Spoiler: Room eligibility and post restrictions

2 more today

: Sujimichi, Cat Scratch Fever

1 more today

: Slaxx, Menalque

1 more today but not until their post restriction expires

: SirCakez, post restricted with Something_Smart until (expired on 2020-03-14 07:30:00), Heaven, post restricted with Alyssa the Lamb and Best Buds until (expired on 2020-03-15 12:30:00)

0 more today

: Something_Smart, post restricted with SirCakez until (expired on 2020-03-14 07:30:00), Alyssa The Lamb, Best Buds, post restricted with each other and Heaven until (expired on 2020-03-15 12:30:00)

Infractions

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Best Buds: 1/3

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I think it's far more productive to look for sorting him for good in later day phases, the fact we are syncing is enough for me d1.

I'll explain Suji later.

Okay I can wait

I don’t really see anything from suji that is out of his general meta and so I’m not really interested in voting there

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Cakez what’s your current suji read based on?

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I think it's far more productive to look for sorting him for good in later day phases, the fact we are syncing is enough for me d1.

I'll explain Suji later.

Can this happen now

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Their early scumminess and they haven't done anything to really change my mind
I feel like they are avoiding this game too

I think your vote was opportunistic given that this is suji’s general style/tone and given that I’m pnsure I said that early game idk why you’re viewing them as scummy as opposed to null

Unless I’m misunderstanding the initial read you had

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his entire mindset is really off this game

How?

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And in that case are you changing to SS bc he’s more off or for another reason?

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like he spent so much time focusing on the neighborhoods and the finer details of them, and he hasn't really moved off the topic until halfway through his ISO... which is a read off that same track. This strikes me as arguing for the sake of arguing without creating any actual content that can be analyzed later on.

Then, at some point, he backs off and starts playing really passively; like, saying he has reads and having stiff responses when asked about them. I'd have to double check when exactly this shift happened, but I suspect that the time I replaced in is roughly in a similar enough timeframe that the outright shift in the gamestate at that point makes it harder to believe he would get more passive over time rather than finding ways to engage into the game directly.

This is suji, yes?

I just glanced at his iso and I don’t think I’m seeing what you are

Is there boring/irrelevant mechanics talk in the early game? Yeah, but i think it was in response to what was happening on the game, or him trying to read based on it — like re:cakez. I don’t think it’s a particularly good reason to scumresd cakez, but I think suji is still at a point where “hypocrisy = scummy” is part of his mindset and I think it shows in him trying to catch people out

As for the passive bit I feel like that’s an overall shift with nearly everyone in the game

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Why do you think SS would disengage as opposed to pocketing you

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Also, do you think scum!you would try to pocket me after lrazy’s upick

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Your entrance felt pockety

And I know that you said you don’t but I also know that we’d talked about that very shortly before this game and that makes me think it’s exactly the sort of thing you would then do

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the shift is particularly noteworthy for me because I didn't see multiple slots having that shift, it was specifically suji that was going along that track in a not-solvey way

and the way people have progressed to this point have been consistent, Suji just... kinda went passive and indicated he had reads he never went into but was very lethargic about going into them

he indicates that he's reading along and paying attention to the game, but he's almost aggressively passive about it

So passivity in terms of action and not just tone?

Wait, I want to double check his scumgame

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I also think SS not being present is not very AI for him and I don’t really see a shift there unless he was significantly more active in the PT than he was in main thread before your rep in

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Their early scumminess and they haven't done anything to really change my mind
I feel like they are avoiding this game too

I think your vote was opportunistic given that this is suji’s general style/tone and given that I’m pnsure I said that early game idk why you’re viewing them as scummy as opposed to null

Unless I’m misunderstanding the initial read you had

Do you think I’m reading too much into this?

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I also disliked his comment on slaxx/me dropping off in activity for a while

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it's generally safer to assume that stereotypical scum game = my town game, stereotypical town game = my scum game

I don’t really know what you mean here

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Your entrance felt pockety

And I know that you said you don’t but I also know that we’d talked about that very shortly before this game and that makes me think it’s exactly the sort of thing you would then do

I just don't do that

I'm generally strong enough at reading gamestates to be more confident in my ability to adapt on the fly rather than specifically plan out how I'm going to hit endgame immediately when I replace in

even my strongest scumgame on the site, a lot of the reason I got incorrectly townlocked initially was because the way I handled Enter was blatantly not a pocket attempt despite him being a perfect pocket target for me

My concern wouldn’t be you trying to pocket me as an endgame thing and more you trying to get me to relax around your slot which I was admittedly exaggerating my scum feels on in order to then kill me and have me locked as having changed my read on you

And you coming in, popping me at the top of your townlist, and voting for the room I’d lobbied for and wasn’t making any progress on felt like it could be that

I’m still keeping you as town for now, but this is where my concerns on you are and why I don’t really feel like trusting you too much especially after apocalyptic upick

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Also, what do you think of doggo seeing as you know who it is?

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Also do you feel strongly about SS > suji?

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Suji!town

There is a lot more content here but he was also being scumread early on and I think a lot of it was total similarity to here

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Scum!suji

Much lower thread presence but I think does a better job of faking engagement than here, looking like he’s trying to solve

Although he was coached by mastina that game I believe which could explain it if scum!suji here and there’s not coaching going on

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it's generally safer to assume that stereotypical scum game = my town game, stereotypical town game = my scum game

I don’t really know what you mean here

meaning that unless you're finding mindset inconsistencies or something like that (or you have reason to believe scum would have to do the actions I'm taking, etc.), then odds are if you're finding signs of an agenda or me working the playerlist, I'm town

if I'm just sitting there making solvey posts consistently and trying to push the game forward without any real path, odds are good that I'm scum

I mean I’m basically planning to just put you as town unless o start to have good reasons to think that you’re not bc I don’t think I’m very capable of reading you yet

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I'm seeing consistent engagement with the game in the town game and he's struggling to in his scum game

VOTE: suji

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I looked at them again and I agree with that

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that's a bad way of phrasing it

more precisely, did this engagement shift your thoughts on me at all

Not really

I mean, kind of but then not

It feels like you’re town and like you’re working on solving with me. And that makes me want to TR you outside of me generally wanting to TR you because I like you

But that’s also basically exactly what I thought in krazy’s game on D1 and we both know how well that worked out

So I think I’m going to go with you instead of fight you as I think I can see what you’re seeing and then BoP you if we haven’t hit scum by the end of D2

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If you’re not on a large wagon now you’re a communist

I guess I should unvote then

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Best Buds said in our PT that Castro was the greatest person ever to be born!

I'm liking Alyssa more for town particularly now that I know their old account.

Their early scumminess and they haven't done anything to really change my mind
I feel like they are avoiding this game too

I think your vote was opportunistic given that this is suji’s general style/tone and given that I’m pnsure I said that early game idk why you’re viewing them as scummy as opposed to null

Unless I’m misunderstanding the initial read you had

I've had a scumread on Suji the whole game so I don't know how you can call that opportunism. I've always been willing to vote him.
Also I've never played with him before.

VOTE: slaxx.

Clearly we must take back the means of production

-d

What is the objective of this vote/post?

It felt like you were scumreading them but didn’t really jump on until later when they were more vulnerable

Also whether you’ve played with him or not, my point was that I said that this was similar to his towngame and it felt like you were choosing to ignore that to push a slot that you thought was mislynchable

Although I don’t think you’re S/S and rn i think suji is more likely to flip scum than you

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Ugh I had too many things in multiquote

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How has knowing that Alyssa is Ankamius changed your view on her slot @cakez?

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Scum!suji

Much lower thread presence but I think does a better job of faking engagement than here, looking like he’s trying to solve

Although he was coached by mastina that game I believe which could explain it if scum!suji here and there’s not coaching going on

You thought that game was similar to how he's played here? My looking at that game's actually why I don't really see the scumreads on him this game. Shows he's got the same kinda stilted, bit awkward way of talking as town and scum, but just as scum tends to: say less, ask more questions, make less statements.

Granted, one game of data, yadda yadda yadda. Still, 's not very similar in my eyes. 'd even go so far as to say if he's scum, he's playing better here than he did there, which you seem to think the opposite of.

I mean look at how little he’s here and just literally how little he’s producing. I think tonally he is similar but I think he’s actually p tonsllynconsistent across games. I think Alyssa is right that he doesn’t have the same desire to actually progress the game or to find out information to help him sort here vs in games like the towngame I linked, but knows that he has to do something which is why he’s asking things at all

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y r u not scum?

Because I'm making absolutely no effort to look busy.

I know the look that lurking here gives. I'm well aware that it looks like I'm laying low and trying to run out the timer. But I legitimately can't come up with discussion starters and I'm obviously not going to fake it. As scum I would be taking it, and it wouldn't be hard.

Take this with as many grains of salt as you would like, but you asked a question I could answer, so I'm answering it.

I think you’re good enough as scum that you would know that trying to look busy while doing nothing is a worse look than actually just doing nothing because at least the latter lets you make this argument

That said I don’t really think you’re scum, I just think you’re null

Do you think I should be TRing you instead of nullresding you for anything you’ve done so far?

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@cakez you should stay on suji with me

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Vote for suji pls

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Nice

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I don't think Menalque is really new to mafia. He's probably someone's alt. He shows too much understanding off the riff-of-FM mechanics.

No good sir this is definitely my first game, I know not of what you speak

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Good take

VOTE: slaxxB

-d

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alyssa let's all speedlynch slaxx

-d

Let’s not

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I would prefer to stick with lynching scum rather than deadline wagoning town but u do u

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That was @doggo

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I mean as much as I would love to play 7:2 mountainous which has an EV of like less than 30%, I think that using our roles is a good thing here?

You have no idea what I’d give for 7:2 mountainous, there’s not nearly enough mountainous on sight

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Site*

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Would a 9-player room be possible with 9 votes, literally just allowing the MT to continue during the NP?

Someone already asked this

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You have no idea what I’d give for 7:2 mountainous, there’s not nearly enough mountainous on sight

we must sentence you to the large theme gulags until you've served your time and EARNED a mountainous

-D

Can I redeem my large themes already played as time served?

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Mena why are you so certain slaxx wasn't pocketing u

-d

How could slaxx be pocketing me when I was busy pocketing him? Jeez doggo, use ur head

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Also, idk, it didn’t feel like he was trying to get me to read him a certain way

The townlean is more based on the general breeziness there than it is on him TRing me for doing the whole thing

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I don’t know, I have very little experience of slaxx on a meta basis

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You have no idea what I’d give for 7:2 mountainous, there’s not nearly enough mountainous on site

That's because it's miserable to play.

I bet you hate nightless games too

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I don’t know, I have very little experience of slaxx on a meta basis

okay

so if you were trying to pocket slaxx, how often does he as scum reject you 'pocketing' him?

-D

That’s actually a valid point

Hmm, not sure, probably quite rarely

But I also don’t really see the rest of his play as scummy, unless you disagree with me on that?

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How does Mena have 20% of the posts this game and fail to provide meaningful content?

Idk dude it’s a real struggle but somehow I manage it

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Why don’t you think I’ve produced meaningful content?

I won’t deny that I’ve been meme-y but I think I’ve probably produced more content than any other slot this game

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Why don’t you think I’ve produced meaningful content?

I won’t deny that I’ve been meme-y but I think I’ve probably produced more content than any other slot this game

From the moment I replaced into this game and started reading, your posts made me regret joining. I'm in three games and this is the one I am looking at the least, because having to read through your spam of nonsense makes me want to skip the rest of the DP, help the dog speedlynch Slaxx, and start the game proper in DP2. More than anything I wish I was mafia so I could let you meme the town out of their desire to play for me while I just sit around doing nothing. If we need a replacement for a town player on, say, DP3, and you continue to meme and fluff post at the rate you have been, what would you put the odd at that they actually read through the game in-whole and do anything other than sheep vote? You may be having fun pretending to be schizophrenic, but it's not good for the town.

Define “my spam of nonsense”

I meme’d for a while on the first couple of pages, but since then I’ve been mostly serious posting, certainly majority serious posting

I’ve produced a mountain more content than your slot has, and most of its been useful for people who need to sort me rather than me making ridiculous suggestions like nobody using their bodyguard tonight

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But I also don’t really see the rest of his play as scummy, unless you disagree with me on that?

I didn't like his neg on SS and I didn't like his weird justification for the rooms

in mastina's weird shitty fast-deadline game scum also went for a lot of pointless and weird PTs

his play is way less aggressive here than it was there but it also feels different from his townplay

and your two interactions at game start felt really off to me

-D

Can you link that game?

Whats weird about his justification for the rooms, that just seems the same as anyone’s — like how is it different from you wanting a room with Alyssa instantly when she repped in

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I just drove over a thousand kilometres in the last 16 or so hours and haven’t slept more than 15 minutes in the last ~27 and I’m being held at the ferry port because the french government hasn’t confirmed yet that it will let brits go home

I’m actually doing surprisingly well considering all of that but haven’t really got time to play the game yet and prob won’t until tomorrow

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Hope you make it home ok Menal!!!

Thanks

Should hopefully get confirmation on the ferry one way or another in the next half hour or so

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can someone very briefly catch me up before I begin reading from where I was

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I already knew that ank so it's not super helpful tbh

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fuck, Alyssa

sorry

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get a room: Lucky, heaven, suji, mena

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but your pronoun says she very obviously

can you actually for real catch me up with a tl;dr before I read

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Replacement says scummy stuff

Idk not really anything interesting has happened so

Luciano or Danny?

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I would consider lynching Luciano for *reasons* but may reconsider tomorrow

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when I say that I mean policy lynching them

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okay, I'll go read

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ima tell you right now tho his tone is way different there than here but bear in mind he was replacing in on a slot under pressure there and here you were giving him a free pocket

so there are significant tonal differences but the gamestates are also quite different

-D

I just want this in my iso for easy reference, I'll go and look once I'm caught up

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If you’re not on a large wagon now you’re a communist

U S A

U S A

So the phases of Slaxx's appear to be:

1. Pocket Mena
2. Disappear
3. Let's throw our votes around and flip someone guys!

and this is scumplay how

like how does it benefit scum!slaxx to pocket me and then just disappear

if he does why does he not make an effort to look townie when he comes back to thread, plus the fact that he repped out is probably indicative of RL busy rather than AI

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Buds why do you continue to avoid discussing the Suji wagon?

what do you want to talk about irt it?

-D

Like...what do you think about Suji????
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cakez why were you focussed here on BB not talking about suji much when LL was literally in the process of hard pushing a CW that I see has picked up steam now?

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We're lynching spike spencer so I can have shawn all to myself

I have no idea what this means

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No. Anti-town =/= scummy.

only a lot of the time anti-town == scummy

or I guess scumminess is a lot of the time being anti-town, even if it's more subtle than just hard pushing mislynches

and suji esp given their differences from their towngame displayed here is beyond just anti-town and into scummy

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ok, to be perfectly honest,

I've been SR'ing Mena/Slaxx for a while now and I've tried not to confbias, but they haven't done anything to change my mind

. There's something about the way they hard TR each other without (imo) a valid reason, and I think they could be trying to pocket us in our room. Also, this can be taken with a grain of salt but, I've played with town!mena and town!slaxx (once each) before and I think they're a bit more...polished/careful here(?) I'll leave our vote up to doggo, but this is how I'm feeling rn.

~kanna

Go on

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He bodyguarded SS

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Did anyone bodyguard dany?

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Best Buds, confirm?

Why would I lie?

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I mean I guess but it’s like there’s 0 benefit to me as either alignment to lie there unless me and BB had already agreed on a gambit in which case they’d just confirm anyway

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I think cakez is less likely given that the attempted kill was on SS

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Wait, how do you figure SS? This is clearing for him unless someone bodyguarded idany, which i doubt

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You think he killed him to lock in idany’s TR on him?

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O-kay, yes I’m with you now, but that just seems less likely than SS being the NK

I think him choosing to get on suji not on idany was towny

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Why is cakez in your list?

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Also should we call shots or just who we didn’t do

Like I didn’t do dany or SS

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I'm covering my bases, since he's a player I'd expect that from

I'd rather go with the other choices first still

No that’s fine I just wanna understand where you’re coming at it from

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get a room: mena and alyssa

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I'm recording videos atm so I'll go into my townreads a bit later

that's cool I'll probably be on and off during the day today

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VOTE: BB

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I think the like unsubstantiated scumread and consistent pressing to get me into the lynchpool is really scummy

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Luciano is a pain in the ass but I don’t think there’s as much of an agenda there as just open and misguided bullishness

BB feels much more like they’re actively pushing an agenda revolving around needing 3 mislynches to win from here

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I feel Lucky's pushing yesterday was townish even if misguided while Menal was just p much absent

Also “absent“ — apart from ensuring that scum got lynched

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Think Alyssa is town

SS i think is prob town from the night result

Heaven has townie tone

I would much prefer to lynch BB > LL today

I guess there’s an outlier chance of cakez but seems relatively unlikely unless suji and him committed to bussing really early but that seems very -EV to take it as far

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Although it is somewhat dependent on when Alyssa started pushing on suji too, as I guess there’s a case where it could have been scum distancing that then got locked in by not feeling like he could get off after suji started getting heat/realised a commit to the bus was needed.

Mostly tho I think it’s just BB. Like I don’t think they can win without a mislynch on me at this point? And i think they’ve been setting the ground for that since at least yesterday

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I would like my hood hammered with Alyssa but also

@alyssa what has BB done to make you TR them, avoiding meta seeing as although I’m apparently known to the anon doggo head they’re not known to me

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I would like my hood hammered with Alyssa

Why do you want this when you haven't really done anything with your existing hood?

-D

Cause I think I’d synergise better with Alyssa than I have with you. I think I would have used ours more if slaxx had been more active and not dropped off so much before the rep out

Like Mena, why are you pushing for hoods if you think the game ends with my lynch?

-D

Bc I’m unlikely to get your lynch i think but also I want to get into it with Alyssa over you and either she’s gonna sell me on town!you or I’m gonna sell her on scum!you

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@Mena, why did your SR on us come right after my post? Do you not think you should be in POE? If so, why?

~kanna

I think I’m basically the towniest slot in the game after Alyssa and I think that given the bodyguard system scum is gonna need to insert someone town back into the lynchpool to win

Like I think the most “obvscum” here is probably LL, and yes there’s a chance that he is just scum, but he’s not like doing much and his posting yesterday could have been good faith. He’s a very easy mislynch for scum. But after that, scum still needs 2 mislynches to win, and I don’t think anyone else is really obviously scummy, which means scum has to create a way to get other slots who look town into a position where they can be mislynched and I think that’s what you’re trying to do around me

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@SS or heaven can you pls hammer my room

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Don’t really get why you’re town on BB or scum on cakez

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don't find it very likely that he knows what Suji's alignment is throughout day one, especially with the knowledge that I've been scumreading him since I replaced in

Is this also about doggo?

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I get the confusion looking back on it again

1112 is entirely about best buds
1113 is entirely about lucky/cakez

in that case i don't understand how you scum reading him since you repped in affects whether he knew the alignment for suji in advance on D1

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Menal where TF did this BB scumread come from?

idk why you're asking beyond semantic value

like it came from me finding them scummy and I've already said why

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Why is mena out of your poe again? I think he'd be my backup if lucky flipped town

Mena if you're flipping out over this post then uhh you do realize it's a legitimate question right?

-D

no, I don't think it is really, and that's what I mean by you trying to put me back into the scumpool

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re: 1123 I'm not towncasing myself mostly because I'm trying to get away from cases in general

I think that I was instrumental in making sure that the lynch yesterday was on scum beyond anyone bar Alyssa and maybe SS

LL is "obvscum" in the sense that pretty much everyone is okay with lynching there today and their push away from suji looks very scummy regardless of whether it was or not

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I don't disagree that I shouldn't be considered town bc of the timing of Dany posting his bodyguard on SS

but I think this is a more general thing that you've been kind of scumreading me for very little/no reason since yesterday, and I don't like that you're being as static as you are wrt that either. the fact that you haven't seemed to reevaluate post-suji when I do think that changes the dynamics and are continuing to push for lynch the obviously lynchable slot but then you also seem to be setting up to tunnel me regardless after that

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ehh, maybe tunnel isn't the right word

it feels like you're trying to get your ducks in order to flip LL, who I'm not clear if your other head is even SRing or not, and then move on to making sure there are enough people in the lynchpool to get 2 more -- and inserting me there is a part of that, when I think I'm pretty clearly town off play already but certainly for someone who has professed to be ~*aware*~ of me as a player and of how I play

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idk if I'm technically out of my scumrange and would get it if you were talking about how I shouldn't be beyond suspicion but the way you're approaching me really feels like you're setting up for later days

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@SS when you get here can you give your read on me and on buds?

not sure if I'm being unreasonable here or if I'm overestimating how obvtown I am at this point

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yeh, why?

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Do I as scum l1 my buddy and goad ss to hammer as part of my bus

I mean you took 30 posts total in game to unvote so I don’t see why this is meant to be clearing for you

Especially as you’re apparently someone established on site and if you are then you’d know that SS is probably the player least likely in this list to drop a hammer out of nowhere

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There was more pushing for suji after i skimmed through it properly, but stuff in the second spoiler looks a bit fence-sitty which could've been an attempt to save Suji. I actually did something similar in my scumgame that just ended so that really stands out for me

Don’t really see how this is fence sitty so much as outright saying I didn’t think suji was scum and then changing my mind after talking to Alyssa about it

It’s also significantly off my meta to fence sit which doggo should know if they actually know me: I generally commit hard on a bus if I’ve decided to do it, or I hard defend and steer elsewhere neither of which are really what I did here

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I don’t really see how you’re getting fence sitting vs changing my mind from that and it feels like it’s not read you’re making in good faith

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It is possible but I'd accept a little unlikely. There was no warning he was going to announce target and there wasn't a ton of time between the post and end of night.

Anyway irt the self case, my point was more if I was going to bus and was informed of suji's alignment, why would I structure my bus as giving an opportunity for ss to hammer and soft ic himself? Scum might bus there but I don't see scum bussing in that manner tbh

I know I'm saying it about my own slot but I feel like I've been clear that I was concerned one out of slaxx/mena may have been trying to pocket the other in early game so him freaking out because I still have him in poe is ???
-D

I didn’t see it until I got the daystart and came to check

Also, bc the bus is more convincing that way + it gives you an excuse to kill SS in a way that doesn’t draw suspicion onto you so much if he’s obvtown?

Also how am I fresking out? That’s disingenuous. Me thinking you’re scum whose approaching this with the later game in mind =/= me freaking out. If I sound more pissed off than normal it’s bc you being anon is getting on my nerves

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Well you're tunneling me and making a bunch of lazy and bad faith arguments so yeah I'd say you're freaking out, given I am not at present voting you

Why do you seem so certain the game does not end with LL?

-D

I'm not tunnelling you, we've had like a page and a half of interaction and at no point am I treating you in bad faith -- there was like one point where I realised I almost was and I acknowledged that and took it back

also not being lazy but ok

LL could flip scum and I wouldn't be shocked and fair enough it was that simple, but it's rarely that simple and again, it's felt more like you're playing for a future day and idk what your incentive is for that if you're town

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Do you not think so?

no, not really tbh

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I mean indicative of a weaker read and if that's how you define fence sitty then okay, but for me fence sitty is actively going "ahh, could be town, could be scum yes, yes"

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We've had a page and a half of you putting out a bunch of arguments that boil down to 'no u'

Ironic given that this is basically what you’ve been doing

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My future day argument is not bad faith or lazy at all it’s literally what I’m seeing and you acting like LL is a guaranteed locked in lynch is part of that. You say I haven’t been doing any solving but just because I’m calling you scum doesn’t make me an idiot especially when you were one of the people who was elsewhere when the lynch actually mattered yesterday. And I think I’ve been very clear that I don’t want to lynch LL today, I want to lynch you

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Also you’re acting like me towncasing or not is significant to my alignment when I’ve already explained that I’m moving away from casing as either alignment and I’ve already said why I think you’re scummier than LL at this point. The fact that you continue to misrepresent the points I’m making and to try and argue that I’m arguing in bad faith when I’ve been doing the opposite is entirely you engaging in bad faith

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dismissed my towncase on myself without really thinking about whether my progression on suji overall comes from s/s, which frankly it doesn't

And I don’t see this either

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when you were one of the people who was elsewhere when the lynch actually mattered yesterday.

Pretty good example of what I mean by "lazy" arguments

That I happened to be asleep when town decided to compromise and end day doesn't mean jack shit, I pretty clearly would have compromised on Suji and I made that abundantly clear throughout the day

Right only you weren’t on suji were you and compromising there is meant to mean what compared to actively pushing for a scum lynch for most of the day

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Also you’re acting like me towncasing or not is significant to my alignment when I’ve already explained that I’m moving away from casing as either alignment

Yeah and this is obnoxious too, stop making excuses for things you're being too lazy to do

Stop acting like cases are worth anything

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Like if you’re too incompetent to read between the lines and you need everything laid out for you in itty bitty bites that’s not my fucking problem

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And I don’t see this either

Yeah, that's my point. You don't seem to actually be solving my alignment, you came into this dayphase with my alignment pre-determined and have been poop-casing me since. Generally I don't think you're an idiot but when I start to feel like people are making dumb arguments they have tended to flip scum

I came into this day phase thinking it was likely LL

Then everyone coalesced around that really fast in a way I didn’t like and you were the one who was most obviously interested in creating a lynch pool for beyond today. You keep accusing me of acting in bad faith while you’re clearly not acting in it and apparently you’re now intentionally trying to piss me off

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Also, I haven’t fucking cased you have i

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lol nice try at pre-emptively discrediting me because you know that when I make my case for Cinn!scum it’s gonna look bad for you

@EP I don’t see how pointing out that my top scumread is scum and promising to bring a case to back that up is scummy but w/e

I don’t really have a normal playstyle but sometimes I’ll be more spamposty and energetic sometimes less so. When I’m on my phone I’m more likely to be writing shorter posts and just giving my opinion

On my laptop is when I do casing and looking at ISOs so those are normally a bit more considered

Actually looking at your scum games it seems like maybe you have a thing for "pre-emptive discrediting" as scum?

Yes my second scumgame on site is entirely representative of the way I currently play scum

well done