Micro 927: Hectic's Ultimate Conspiracy (FIN)

[Ame]

Hehe I like the theory nonetheless

Datisi how is your name pronounced? I've been pronouncing it duh tea Z

Chemist we can use the hood to see if you and dsj try to pocket me

Because plants are green and there are so many variations of them. If plant x is edible and plant y isn't and one of their distinguishing factors is their shade, it would be advantageous being able to make that distinction

I like that we can discard half of the interactions!

[Ame]

My avatar feels so in your face relative to y'all's

Perspective

So this is what your scum play looks like Klidd. Is your partner daTZ or Kahnah?

[Ame]

BTWPOPSIFYOUREREADINGTHIS, REALLYCOOLSETUPANDALSOILUVU

[Ame]

VOTE: Clidd

My hood is the town hood. Whoever is town in the other should selfvote.

[Ame]

Yea, Clidd is scum. I do think his theory is something he thought of before the game though.

Although I guess it

could

just be that you have a new set of gifs that you want to use

@MOD WOULD IT BE AGAINST THE RULES TO STATE THE ORDER THE NAMES WERE LISTED IN OUR PM

[Ame]

No, im town. But you might be scum due to the overreaction.

This response was too slow. You had to think of how you wanted to respond.

I'm certain you're scum.

daTZ/Kanna make the move and let's win this page 2

[Ame]

Also would like to do another round after if that's possible?

[Ame]

Well you're scum, simple as that

Probably with Kanna since you posted her second.
(If my hood is scum that's why Chemist posted dsj second)
There's a natural inclination not to put your partner's name first.

The reason why I wanted to know the order in the pms was to see if this was going against the subconscious imprint that would have left

[Ame]

Oh man I was just about to come in here and say I guess you could have just been looking for that gif to respond to my 27 and in the interim I made 28 and 29 and THAT may have been the reason you respond minutes later to my 29. But you're saying the GIF was an actual response to my 29 and not 27? If so then you're "no I'm town post" was indeed a late response, indicating that you have some scum!hesitance

[Ame]

your*

[Ame]

I don't scum read you at all for your theory btw. I consider that normal Clidd. I scum read you because you're scummy

[Ame]

Partners have to be in the same neighborhood.

[Ame]

One neighborhood consisting of 3 VTs
One neighborhood consisting of 1 VT and 2 Mafia

[Ame]

Also kind of raising my brow @ u and chemist for feeling like we needed to identify who was in each. We knew who was in the other by virtue of not being in it

[Ame]

Well there goes our page 2 win.

[Ame]

One neighborhood consists of 3 townies. The other consists of 1 townie and 2 scum. They are always in the same neighborhood.

[Ame]

Your first commentary on the game was a de-characterization of what we had talked about, as if we hadn't tried to add anything to the game.

Ah I was trying to understand what you meant here. Now it makes sense. Yeah I didn't mean that y'alls posts weren't important. I was saying that since scum are in the same neighborhood, we don't have to consider buddy interactions between people if different hoods, half the interactions.

[Ame]

Any town can selfvote. Any one of us, besides scum, can end the game.

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

(Not that it matters but for the spirit of it hehe)

[Ame]

Clidd how many main colors are there in a rainbow?

[Ame]

Same, your 41 is pretty towny

[Ame]

OMG so cool!! Different cultures answer this differently

[Ame]

Here it's a solid 7. I think in Russia it's typically 6

[Ame]

Initial town vibes from Cherry for reasons. I should be able to determine if my hood is the town one once dsj starts posting.

[Ame]

I was responding to you.

Also I mean *Chemist. Their name beginning with 'Che,' seeing their name next to daTZ who makes me think of strawberries, and their red nose made me think of Cherry

[Ame]

I just wanted to say that I really enjoy playing with you, regardless of the peculiarities of one game to the other.

:3

Huh, so I guess I am in the scum group.

VOTE: Clidd

My hood is the town hood. Whoever is town in the other should selfvote.

???

This makes me want to self vote

Do it then.

VOTE: dsjstr

Not reaction testing this time. djs is actually scum haha. I'm going to self-vote, but I'll wait until all three of you (daTZ, Clidd, Kanna) give the OK so you guys can play the game and all that stuff

[Ame]

Oh, I just realized Chemist's user title, that's probably why Cherry came up! Man the subconscious is something else.

[Ame]

Also also, setup talk - would interacting in the hood (for the one townie in a 2-scum hood) make it more likely that they get pocketed or that they figure out the buddying?

If we ignore the hoods this would be a variation of 2v4 mountainous - where there are only 6 possible scum pairs (as opposed to 15), and where pretty much both scum would have to be found out Day 1. I'm thinking whether interacting in hoods would make it easier to figure out or not.

I think the hoods can be useful because it provides mafia an additional way to operate, which means an additional opportunity for catching them. Dsj has been scummy in mine.

[Ame]

I've decided to do a countdown to self hammer. I'll do so in 15 posts.

14

[Ame]

Um

What are your reads on what has been posted so far?

13

[Ame]

Clidd have you seen Death Note?

dsj you've yet to refute any of my points.

And you tried to pocket me by agreeing with a clidd-kanna team

Also chem has completely stayed out of it

Unless either of you can convince me otherwise within the next dozen posts I'm going to make like Voltorb and self destruct

There's rocks are tripping me out maaan

12

[Ame]

these*

11

[Ame]

Also if you really thought I was scum, you'd also consider voting. But you have not because you can not. Your scumread is false bravado.

10

[Ame]

I want you to self vote

8

[Ame]

Lol

[Ame]

Count me in.

One improvement I've been think about to the set up would be if players could vote in their hood to take out the other through unanimous vote!

[Ame]

That would be closer to traditional Mafia I think, though it would move away from Conspiracy - where only a single vote determines the whole game.

pedit: pops!

Well I was thinking players could still self vote, but the ttt all agreeing in their hood also be win route. It would provide incentive to use the neighborhoods and for scum to try and work over the townie.

[Ame]

After the countdown started I was gonna do it to Ame

The countdown or self vote?

When I got to 1 I was going to offer Kanna the ability to reset the count or post a voltorb gif

[Ame]

Oh leash

I misread as do it too Ame

[Ame]

Every 10 posts I will self vote. When I reach 1, a member of the opposing neighborhood may reset the counter by posting

Reset

in their very next post. If all three members post without resetting the counter, the self vote will commence.

Datisi can you explain your strategy to me?

9

[Ame]

Chemist what did you mean by you were going to do it to Ame, force me to vote?

[Ame]

7

[Ame]

The mistake was casting too many nets and putting to much pressure on dsj. Furthermore, so long as at least one person from your group resets me, there is no danger.

6

[Ame]

You can reset in your post after I reach 1 and that post only. I agree on Kanna. I had identical thoughts.

5

[Ame]

Well there is the potential that Datisi dramatically altered his meta for the sake of contrast.

4

[Ame]

Ah, i misread. Alright. I don't think i want to reset it anyway.

Why is that?

3

[Ame]

Well there is the potential that Datisi dramatically altered his meta for the sake of contrast.

4

What do you think of this Clidd.

I had a very similar thought wrt Kanna being scum this game. Either I'm right, and you self-vote to a win, you don't self vote because you're scum with her at which point you're outed, or my hood is scum in which case I trust you to figure it out.

For what reason do you place this trust? Especially considering there has not been enough content to read you with precision.

Furthermore, why are you not considering the possibility that I am scum with Chemist?

Scum win this game by pushing a player of the opposing neighborhood as they need one of the members there to self vote. dsj and I both should have taken this as a town tell on each other in the previous game (the fact that we were pushing each other, members of the same hood).

The fact that you and Clidd are both pushing for a Kanna lynch so early is suspicious. And it looks like Clidd is goading the other members of my hood to do the vote if I don't follow through.

Play to Ame's read on Kanna and play to Kanna's and Chem's paranoia on Ame's countdown.

2

[Ame]

Any last words Cliddatisi?

[Ame]

I did but I wasn't willing to vote her off of one post. The countdown also isn't an excuse because I literally just did it before and flipped town so you know it's not scum indicative.

I also didn't agree with your reasoning that scumDatisi wouldn't make a dramatic change. That's exactly what he would do. Why would he play the same? How would making a change be suspicious rather than indicate that he was town as you took it?

[Ame]

Do you not agree with me that it would be extremely suspect if he changed radically ?

Correct, I don't agree with this. I don't see how it would be suspicious to play differently than you did as scum. This is backwards reasoning to me. That being said, I'm not doing anything until we hear from dsj. I think there a high probability that Datisi is leaving you out to dry here just waiting for us to vote dsj.

Additionally I town lean you more than not, but I am weary of your reasoning here.

[Ame]

I agree that if a player is playing differently from when they are scum, it makes sense to think they are town.

The part I'm disagreeing with is that you thought he was town because it would be

suspicious

for him to play differently. Which, as you agree, it would not be.

[Ame]

dsj had been posting in the hood?

[Ame]

Everyone please answer each question and be as thorough as possible on questions where reasoning can be provided. If we want to win, the town among you must out town the other two. Help us come to understand your towniness.

Clidd

1. Please explain how "posting differently from scum play is town indicative" and "posting differently from scum play is suspicious" is not contradictory. I want to understand your thought process here.
2. If I had gotten to 1, would you have reset me or were you so sure on Kanna that you were willing to let it end then?
3. In post 191 why did you link my 183 instead of just responding to it? (you had it quoted)
4. What did you mean by 176? I understand the emotional read part, but what do you mean by wanting to check if it were correct? How would you do so?

Datisi

1. Who is scummier out of dsj and Clidd?
2. I'm probably going to vote for Clidd, why shouldn't I?

dsj

1. On a scale of 0-10 how upset would you be if we chose Datisi?
2. Was there any sign in the hood that Cliid or Datisi were trying to get you not to reset my count (either by implying that if I didn't follow through I was scum or more directly)?
3. If you were in our position, who would you choose based on the public content currently available and why?
4. Who is scummier out of Clidd and Datisi to you and why?
5. Why didn't you post in the game thread?

[Ame]

Actually yeah, let's hear from Dsj. Sorry if self-voting that soon wasn't optimal though.

I think your choice was acceptable. Given the new rule, IF you think you are unable to be town read AND you think the other group has a significant chance of having a self-hammer, THEN it is best to self-vote.

[Ame]

Hmmmmm I don't feel like doing this today
the whole discussion whether i would or would not play the same/different as scum/town is just noise
i'm here for a bit if anyone wants to ask anything but will be going to sleep soon

Datisi

1. Who is scummier out of dsj and Clidd?
2. I'm probably going to vote for Clidd, why shouldn't I?

1. scummier? dsj. they both *are* scum though, if that's the trap you were setting.
2. because he's scum.

What has been scummier about dsj?

And what I mean is why shouldn't I vote Clidd from my perspective? I.e why are you the town and not him?

[Ame]

1. I will not explain it again. It seems ''contradictory'' to you because you are unable to follow my line of reasoning correctly.

2. As I explained, Kanna's entry into this game was very scummy, as her reaction after the suspicion was announced. I did not see a significant attempt to try to explain herself, just as I found the call to quote an isolated game strange, as if that proved something. Last round I assimilated with an event that happened in a past game, involving Hectic and you, so it would be completely plausible for her to use such information as scum. So YES, i was sure to some extent. But the lack of opposition to this theory prevented me from recognizing that this hypothesis was incorrect, because for me, my logic was perfect.

[1.1] I can't vote you until this is explained. If the reasoning is not contradictory, you should be able to logically explain it.
[2.1] Yes or No: would you have reset my counter when it got to 1?

dsj says that you stated you would:

2. clidd out right said they would reset your count and Aaron agreed to it

[Ame]

5. I was busy with another game and then I fell asleep

You were posting in the hood though, why not here?

[Ame]

I did not see a significant attempt to try to explain herself

I also don't get this. She wasn't even online at the time. You weren't giving her

time

to explain herself. I don't get why you would be so confident from one post not to give her time to post more.

[Ame]

What happened in the hood after Kanna selfvoted? dsj says Datisis had an emotional response.

[Ame]

And if he were to actually choose to change his meta, it would not be so drastic, as it would bring suspicion.

If I see a player playing completely differently than he was as scum, I will always be inclined to think that this is his meta!town

grumble grumble

[Ame]

It is so suspicious that I did not imagine it was scum simulating a different playstyle, precisely because of how obvious it is.

I understand you, but the reasoning annoys me because it's more complex than it needs to be. Like you made a logical leap to justify your town read. Sometimes a cow is just a cow and sometime scum is just scum. But you went: he's scummy so he must not be scum he must be town.

[Ame]

I do think it is genuine though. And because Datisi didn't post after Kanna voted despite it being during his active hours, I believe he was content with us believing you two were the scum team. And it is actually him and dsjstr.

VOTE: Clidd

[Ame]

If you're scum I'm never trusting you again

[Ame]

I laid a secret trap on dsj which he fell into, but unfortunately, I'll have to wait to expose it.
Additionally, him referring to Datisi as Aaron is probably an attempt to slip that they aren't buddies.

[Ame]

Also it doesn't make sense for Clidd to have pushed for me an Kanna so hard if he were scum. Whereas Datisi kind of just let it happen and left the fallout to Clidd.

[Ame]

Still think clidd is scum. Even his emotional reaction/pleading feels super off compared to how he usually is. Datisi's intro posts were ok, but these latest ones look scummy too. Ame, I'll wait for your explanation but reaallllyyy wanna vote dsj

Worst case scenario, we still make one of clidd/datisi lose for round 1 revenge.

But we don't get the best-case scenario of winning! Clidd's pleading is simply that he's never been in this particular position before so we've never seen him town case himself. And even if we're wrong, I'd rather reward the scum that tried than the townie that's doing nothing.

[Ame]

Clidd's reasoning about my countdown seems super genuine. It's the EXACT same thinking I would have had. Although he also had identical thoughts about dsj as I had last game...

BUT he also tried to reset my counter which was what I was looking for. The goal of the countdown was to bait scum into NOT resetting it (as Datisi did). Clidd tried to reset it until he convinced himself you were scum. You can see the progression of his thoughts in that regard.

[Ame]

dsj I think we're destined to never trust each other lol

[Ame]

Kanna feels his pleading is uncharacteristic, but I say that's because we've never seen him in a position where he had to convince us he was town over someone else.

[Ame]

Ok, I'll take your word on it!

[Ame]

I'm not scum reading you for that btw, that was just an indicator that you're scum with dsj. I'm scum reading you for wanting to quick lynch Kanna and attempting to manipulate my hood into self voting if I didn't follow through with the count down. 189 in particular.

I'm town reading Clidd for his play.

I'm scum reading dsj for his association with you. I'll discard you not posting after Kanna's vote, but I also drew this association from 190 through #193. My 187 announced suspicion of what the two of you were doing, yet you both continued to press on. This indicates that you likely aren't buddies, especially given Clidd's previous play which indicates that he doesn't take a direct approach as scum. Actually, Clidd's entire stream of posts their indicate townIgnorance. He was really working through my suggestion that you deliberately altered your playstyle. scumClidd here would have been more hedgy. Yes, this is correct.

@Kanna

will you look this over? I'm convinced Clidd is town.

[Ame]

there*

[Ame]

But you promised you'd be able to convince us!

[Ame]

Could you link me a town and scum game you think is representative of your play?

[Ame]

My mind is never made up, Datisi.

Did Clidd ever react/respond to dsj in the hood? What was his reaction when you inquired about being pocketed?

pedit: thanks!

[Ame]

Why were you so certain on Kanna from one post?
Did you agree with Clidd that my countdown was suspicious, despite the fact that I had just used it as town?

UNVOTE:

[Ame]

Who was the first person to suggest not resetting the timer? Was it 182 or had it already been mentioned in private?

[Ame]

So Clidd jumped in to save dsj from being scumread. Hmm.

[Ame]

Are he saying he lied about you reinforcing that it was the town hood during his and dsj's interaction?

[Ame]

Could you make a case on why dsj is scum? You haven't really talked about him.

[Ame]

grumble grumble

[Ame]

I appreciate your game plan, Datisi. It's very intuitive and I also thought you were town.

What was his game plan?

[Ame]

After I made the "dsj, am I getting pocketed?" question and he had a poor reaction you immediately jumped in saying it's a fact we were the town hood.

Clidd I'm confused by your answer, did or did this not happen?

[Ame]

My interest in dsj himself is very much 0 too, don't get me wrong. I just find it very peculiar how he wasn't even trying when it was looking like the votes will swing onto Clidd. As if he doesn't care if Clidd gets voted as the "townie". Wonder why.

If he did, he would be automatically linked to you. Scum! Dsj is not as good at simulating superficial behavior as you are.

How would he be linked to Datisi by trying to prevent you from being voted? The goal for each of you should be to prevent the other two from being voted. The fact that dsj was allowing you to be voted suggests that he has no incentive to keep you from being the pick, i.e. that you two are partners.

[Ame]

I appreciate your game plan, Datisi. It's very intuitive and I also thought you were town.

What was his game plan?

It isn't obvious ? he was aware of the impression I had about scum!Datisi and reversed the behavioral polarities in the hood and in the general chat. The Datisi who put little on the hood and showed himself with a questioning instance, became an individual of quick agreement and objective simplicity. His plan was to agree with me (as he noticed that I am inclined to trust players who collaborate with me), use Dsj to disperse attention, distort events to damage my image, and mimic the behavior of one of the past games, typing in a more fluidly way to captivate players' doubts, just like he did with you.

Alternative theory, you and dsj are scum. You meta read Datisi as town just as you read me as town in the previous game to get on his good side and to give you an excuse to declare your hood as town. Datisi jumped the gun and agreed with you, but you were prepared for the fallout and began immediately town casing yourself afterward. And because how close you two were associated, we would likely choose dsj, your partner as the townie.

My interest in dsj himself is very much 0 too, don't get me wrong. I just find it very peculiar how he wasn't even trying when it was looking like the votes will swing onto Clidd. As if he doesn't care if Clidd gets voted as the "townie". Wonder why.

If he did, he would be automatically linked to you. Scum! Dsj is not as good at simulating superficial behavior as you are.

How would he be linked to Datisi by trying to prevent you from being voted? The goal for each of you should be to prevent the other two from being voted. The fact that dsj was allowing you to be voted suggests that he has no incentive to keep you from being the pick, i.e. that you two are partners.

Frame/WIFOM, Ame. You are not new to this game.

Right, which is why I know that players are usually playing yomi on layer 1. You keep making the assumption that they are layer 2:

-Datisi is being suspicious, so he must be scum (L1) :: but that's too obvious so he must be town (L2)!
-dsj isn't fighting the Clidd wagon, so he must be fine with it (L1) :: or that's what he wants us to think (L2)!

I'm sure you've heard of a thing called Occam's Razor, Clidd. You keep bypassing the simplest and most reasonable explanations because the more convoluted answer suits your needs.

[Ame]

Kanna made on post. You made an incorrect assumption off that one post and an incorrect assumption on one trait of Ame despite her logical explanation. Then when it's made known to you through mechanics who the scum team is, you apparantly consider yourself to have "solved" the game. #slowclap

I'm not buying the false bravado.

You should play as scum to the best of your ability. Not doing so is against the spirit of the game and the site.

[Ame]

one*

[Ame]

VOTE: Clidd

[Ame]

Argument 0

Evidence 0

Datisi (190) and Clidd (191-193) doubled down on their push after I expressed a possible Cliddatisi agenda.

Implication

Because continuing to push in this manner would affirm a Cliddatisi agenda, and because Caliddatisi would want to avoid the fallout during the voting phase, it is unlikely there was a Cliddatisi agenda; therefore, Clidd and Datisi are unlikely scum together. [

Strength:

Modest

]

Evidence 1.0

Clidd (191-193) went into depth with regard to why Datisi wasn't scum.

Evidence 1.1

In the previous round, Clidd had shown to be distant/scarce/hedgy with regard to reading his scum mate [1][2].

Implication: Because Clidd went into depth about why Datisi wasn't scum and in such a strong, direct manner, they are unlikely scum together. [

Strength:

Strong

]

Conclusions

0: Clidd and Datisi are not scum together.

[

Strength:

Strong

]

1: Therefore, dsj is scum.

[

Strength:

Strong

]

[Ame]

Your bravado/obnoxiousness is out of character given our recent buddying. I'm still considering whether it's scumClidd overattempting to mimic his town confidence or if the Sherlock GIFs are simply stimulating a subconscious emulation.

[Ame]

It won't make a difference.

"The fun in this game is winning for me. If I fail to do that, I fail to do what I set out to play the game for" -Clidd 2020 (paraphrased from memory)

[Ame]

Argument 1

Evidence 0

dsj

4. Who is scummier out of Clidd and Datisi to you and why?

4. I would say clidd, Aaron had an emotional response when it was revealed that this is the mafia side.

Implication 0.0

There are three scenarios regarding this post:

1. Scummates with Clidd who is bussing his mate.
2. Scummates with Datisi who is painting his mate in a town light.
3. Town who read Ditisi's post as towny.

Based on the conclusion from Argument 0, we can eliminate the third scenario. Out of the remaining two, the first seems more likely. Scum generally want to avoid making a direct association with one another. Furthermore, it intuitively reads as if dsj really is perceiving Datisi's post as a town tell. It just has that TMI vibe. In other words, this indicates that dsj and Clidd are partners. [

Strength:

Weak

]

Implication 0.1

dsj referring to Datisi as Aaron is likely intentional. Layer 1 yomi would be that he is attempting to slip that he is not mates with Datisi (as he would remember his name if he was). Layer 2 would be that he wants us to draw an association between him and Datisi. Implication 1.0 provides support that he is acting within Layer 2 here. Because placing Datisi is the least scummiest draws an association between dsj and Datisi, we can presume that he referring to him as Aaron is meant to support that goal. In other words, this indicates that dsj and Clidd are partners. [

Strength:

Weak

]

Evidence 1

I do think it is genuine though. And because Datisi didn't post after Kanna voted despite it being during his active hours, I believe he was content with us believing you two were the scum team. And it is actually him and dsjstr.

VOTE: Clidd

WHAT!

clidd was trying to lead a vote on you...

Still think clidd is scum. Even his emotional reaction/pleading feels super off compared to how he usually is. Datisi's intro posts were ok, but these latest ones look scummy too. Ame, I'll wait for your explanation but reaallllyyy wanna vote dsj

Worst case scenario, we still make one of clidd/datisi lose for round 1 revenge.

But we don't get the best-case scenario of winning! Clidd's pleading is simply that he's never been in this particular position before so we've never seen him town case himself. And even if we're wrong, I'd rather reward the scum that tried than the townie that's doing nothing.

He has been town I am confused by what this case specifically means?

Implication

Again, dsj makes two points against Clidd, adding further distance between them and decreasing the distance between him and strawberry. Again, this indicates partnership between dsk and Clidd. [

Strength:

Weak

]

Conclusion

Clidd is likely dsj's partner.

[

Strength:

Weak

]

[Ame]

Your bravado/obnoxiousness is out of character given our recent buddying. I'm still considering whether it's scumClidd overattempting to mimic his town confidence or if the Sherlock GIFs are simply stimulating a subconscious emulation.

Actually, I am slightly irritated by your inability to notice that I am town in this round.

It seems like I spent hours talking with walls about my case on Datisi.

I know that's the persona you are trying to present, but I'm not sure I believe it considering you're the one who put yourself in this position? You're irritated with my inability to read you, how do you think I feel that you locked scummed me and Kanna from a couple of posts? I think townClidd has more empathy here. It feels more like you are putting on a show.

[Ame]

VOTE: Datisi

[Ame]

???

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

Ill make a final decision after some sleep/getting Kannas+Chems thoughts.

[Ame]

Ill make a final decision after some sleep

I see Ame's on the right track though.

Ame already has the right answer, but insists on chasing the wrong clues to achieve her particular preference scenario.

Spoiler:

[Ame]

On the bright side, I had a lovely dream about everyone changing their avatars to woopers.

[Ame]

Clidd, what did you mean by #383?

[Ame]

I laid a secret trap on dsj which he fell into, but unfortunately, I'll have to wait to expose it.
Additionally, him referring to Datisi as Aaron is probably an attempt to slip that they aren't buddies.

Btw, what is this trap, Ame?

I can't say currently, but I think 369 is a strong case for why dsj is scum.

Also it doesn't make sense for Clidd to have pushed for me an Kanna so hard if he were scum. Whereas Datisi kind of just let it happen and left the fallout to Clidd.

But there are two scum; one can be disposable, yes? They want us to self vote so I think it makes sense why they would paint us as scummy

The thing is, they are only disposable if that means us voting the other. Datisi not aiming to be voted indicates that scumDatisi in this situation is banking on us voting dsj.

[Ame]

Clidd, what did you mean by #383?

359, last paragraph.

Where do you think the error is occurring in argument 1?

[Ame]

@Kanna I still think Clidd is town. I find myself having to force a scum read on him whereas Datisi has consistently been reading as agenda-y.

I think we should go with Clidd.

VOTE: Clidd

[Ame]

Clidd have you seen the anime Death Note? I don't think you answered me before.

[Ame]

Haha I figured.

You should check out The Promised Neverland. It's a short series (12 episodes I believe) and I think you'll like it. I see you as the character "Ray."

[Ame]

Yes there's always a chance! Show us your townie heart!

[Ame]

I mean, I exist too

Kanna asked us where we are leaning. Which direction are you thinking?

@Clidd watch and see!

[Ame]

I laid a secret trap on dsj which he fell into, but unfortunately, I'll have to wait to expose it.
Additionally, him referring to Datisi as Aaron is probably an attempt to slip that they aren't buddies.

Btw, what is this trap, Ame?

I can answer now. It's pretty weak though especially in comparison to argument 0. He answered 10 on my 0-10 question which indicates that he was fed the correct answer by one of Clidd and dats. I'm not sure if dats fully kept up with strawberry though so it leans more Clidd.

[Ame]

Yeah because your answers to 3 and 5 were nonchalant and didn't really seemed like you were invested all that much so why would you be a 10? Clidd and Datisi* were aware that I use that question as a trap and that answering 10 is the town answer so they would have told you to answer it. The fact that it conflicts with the rest of your answers indicates this I think.

*maybe

[Ame]

I'm not using the question itself to identify scum, I'm using knowledge of the question to identify scum. I think it's more likely than not that he was fed the answer. Unfortunately, it could have come from either of you!

[Ame]

The point of using it was to detect dsj scum not which of you was his partner.

Are you referring to Clidd or dsj? Is there a reason I shouldn't think he could be?

[Ame]

Hi, I'll come back to this in a few hours!

[Ame]

This is the same lylo: Im Ame and Datisi is Kanna.

My concern with this is that you voted Ame in this scenario because you thought she was being a master manipulator. Which makes me think your decision was based off of personal experience...

[Ame]

These were the posts I found agenda-y from Dati-C

Ah, i misread. Alright. I don't think i want to reset it anyway.

I had a very similar thought wrt Kanna being scum this game. Either I'm right, and you self-vote to a win, you don't self vote because you're scum with her at which point you're outed, or my hood is scum in which case I trust you to figure it out.

I wonder who said

kanna/ame gg ez"

before my post and is criticizing my conclusion

The first I didn't like that he was willing to end the game so quickly. It felt like he was trying to get the other two to agree not to reset it.
The second he made a false dichotomy of either me being scum or Kanna being scum, pressuring our group to self vote regardless of whether I followed through with the countdown vote.
The third shows that he was working this in private as well.

[Ame]

I think I'm back at Dsj>Clidd>Datisi. If you look closer, yes clidd is "efforting," but a lot of his posts are recaps/recounting stuff. Datisi has good tone, but going back to the beginning, I'm pretty sure he knows *me using capslock* isn't scummy + nothing here is impossible to be faked. I don't feel good about Dsj because he hasn't posted enough to make me feel good about him, but kinda getting the feeling cliddatisi go at each other when we lean towards dsj so ???

VOTE: dsjstr?

I still read them as S v T. In the last game Clidd was really hesitant on his Datisi read. And the GIF battle has the same essence of me/you during Strawberry lylo.

[Ame]

These all come across as town to me from Clidd:

Ame, listen:

im town, Kanna acted scummy and your read was identical to my read on her, so it was not malicious reasoning at all.

The fact that Datisi was acting extremely different confused me, so I thought he was town. Now I see that I am wrong, but I am STILL

TOWN

. It was also weird your insistence on such mechanic of selfvote for time, so it was not my fault the lack of precision in my reads in this game.

I always do my best based on the available impressions and you know it. You three MIGHT pick me, I am the only town in thiS hood and I acted entirely with a good intention to solve the game.

This feels like a genuine reaction to revelation that we were the town hood. The "Ame, listen" isn't the sort of appeal I think scumClidd would have made here. It's just so straightforward.

-explaining what went down in the neighborhood-

This was the most towny I think. He was the only one to let us know the details of their conversation and the way he has presented it I find convincing.

Could you make a case on why dsj is scum? You haven't really talked about him.

Dsj is just a henchman, Datisi is the big fish.

Serious town ping from this. It just doesn't seem like something scum would come up with.

I appreciate your game plan, Datisi. It's very intuitive and I also thought you were town.

What was his game plan?

It isn't obvious ? he was aware of the impression I had about scum!Datisi and reversed the behavioral polarities in the hood and in the general chat. The Datisi who put little on the hood and showed himself with a questioning instance, became an individual of quick agreement and objective simplicity. His plan was to agree with me (as he noticed that I am inclined to trust players who collaborate with me), use Dsj to disperse attention, distort events to damage my image, and mimic the behavior of one of the past games, typing in a more fluidly way to captivate players' doubts, just like he did with you.

This felt like smug Clidd showing off the solution more than manipulative Clidd painting a narrative.

It won't make a difference.

"The fun in this game is winning for me. If I fail to do that, I fail to do what I set out to play the game for" -Clidd 2020 (paraphrased from memory)

Yes, that is right. But that doesn't mean having to carry three players on my back while I receive whipping.

You are confusing fun with sadism.

Feels like genuine irritation which I don't think he'd be feeling as scum.

Yes, after going through this I'm convinced on Clidd. I really don't think Clidd and Datisi are partners and of the two, Clidd is the townier. Datisi has a nice way of getting inside one's head with his tone, but his pre hood reveal play is too suspicious.

[Ame]

Well done Clidd

[Ame]

You just proved what I said about you.

Were you scum claiming here?

[Ame]

Yeah that was very good.

Sorry I failed you Kanna.

It will never happen again.

Clidd were you serious about not playing again?

The GIF BATTLE WAS GREAT. lmaoed when datisi pulled out Kira.

@Hectic Death Stranding!

[Ame]

Let's try my version [:

[Ame]

Oh, having the ttt neighboruhood be able to win by all self-voting in their neighbourhood if they trust each other? That would be an interesting approach.

It would also mean scum can win via the route of having the town in their tss neighbourhood self-vote if they gain their trust.

Yes!

Yeah that was very good.

Sorry I failed you Kanna.

It will never happen again.

Clidd were you serious about not playing again?

The GIF BATTLE WAS GREAT. lmaoed when datisi pulled out Kira.

@Hectic Death Stranding!

The game was fun, but I'm cognitively exhausted.

Ok, GGs!