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[Farkran]

I didn't notice this game had already started. Did everyone send confirmation in a matter of minutes after mine? Like, i received my rolepm early this morning and i sent confirmation around lunchtime - now it's 5pm and the game has been up for 2 hours already.

So... interesting plist here. I want a room with alisae like immediately. If e's town we are going to solve this game within half of day 1, if e's scum i'll give er my knee in the face. Also i like kanna from the cult game we played, even if she scumread me almost the whole time -_- perhaps we'll be able to work together though, i respected her play.

[Farkran]

get a room: shiki, farkran, keiji and sara

farkran is mechanically minded in a way that i am not. alisae and farkran are very familiar with eachother.

Yeah this is my room

get a room: shiki, farkran, keiji and sara

[Farkran]

Get a Room: Ame, Farkran

This is also my room

Get a Room: Ame, Farkran

(i can vote for rooms twice, right? I didn't play the first iteration of this)

[Farkran]

one night werewolf

Is this you?

[Farkran]

No Fark you can only vote for one room at a time until one is hammered

I feel trolled, there are people voting for more rooms at once

get a room: shiki, farkran, keiji and sara

Anyways, no harm in repeating this if it's true. I'm... a bit lost, this is the first time i am alive in so many games at once.

pedit: thanks shiki

pedit2: VOTE: Eve sounds easy then, only one more to go

[Farkran]

Ame, if i got things correct, you help me hammer the shiki hood so we can get together in our own

pedit: i can at least be in two hoods at once, right? If so i will hammer me+ame

[Farkran]

Eh, sorry

Get room: ame, farkran

rooms

It takes 2n-1 votes for a room: 2 people = 3 votes; 3 people = 5 votes; 4 people = 7 votes; 5 people = 9 votes

shiki, farkran, keiji and sara

(2/5): shiki, SirCakez

Ame, Farkran

(3/3): Ame, Eve, Farkran

<-- ROOM!

Not voting

(4) : AaronFrost, Baezu, Karnage, Keiji and Sara

[Farkran]

get a room: shiki, farkran, keiji and sara

pedit: i'll gladly help you later eve, your room takes too many and i want a room with alisae asap

2 more!

[Farkran]

Ok, i'm getting the gist of it. 2 rooms per player per day, so i am ok being with ame and that other one with shiki and kanna/alisae. Please help me achieve that, i have no issues voting for any other room after mine happens. My most immediate concern is talking to alisae - also i'm curious about who is shiki and kanna doesn't hurt either - and having a trip into ame's mind sounds the correct choice, as opposed to have to guess her thoughts without any additional knowledge.

[Farkran]

I mean, she confessed being a werewolf

[Farkran]

I mean, she confessed being a werewolf

i meant more in her not knowing the setup or how the votes works, much like you. i understand that mafia is more likely to claim mafia.

Shiki is town. This is the first step out of RVS.

[Farkran]

the main concern with the rooms from last game was that they would be more beneficial to mafia for pocketing town

which is my concern here

so an addition player felt like a natural inclusion. having an additional additional player (kanna being part of alisae's hydra) felt like a bonus. since it's very unlikely they are both mafia, i didn't feel waiting was necessary.

I kinda get your reasoning I guess. regardless I still feel its too early

This on the other hand, doesn't seem like a concern that town would have.

Karnage, why is shiki wrong in creating rooms quickly?

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This on the other hand, doesn't seem like a concern that town would have.

Karnage, why is shiki wrong in creating rooms quickly?

maybe I'm crazy but

shouldn't you wait until you have reasons to town read them before getting a room

?

why?

Karnage, you should answer this.

[Farkran]

But hoods aren’t going to help you read Fark

Hi ali <3

Hoods aren't made for you to read me, they are made for me to read you

And shiki is town, this has already been confirmed

pedit: ah, thanks eve, is that hammer i think?

[Farkran]

get a room: eve, shiki, ame, aaronfrost/zote the mighty

[Farkran]

Also i like kanna from the cult game we played, even if she scumread me almost the whole time -_-

...you remember <3

~k

Of course i do!

Also if that room gets approved, Ame will be out of rooms for today, but i am already in a hood with her, and i will be in one with you, so i can relay your messages.

[Farkran]

VOTE: Karnage

[Farkran]

@Karnage

why are you concerned about other people pocketing shiki, but not shiki pocketing other people?

Also i don't think that line is something town would say, regardless of who is pocketing who. Why would you be concerned for rooms created early as opposed to late, when you can assess possible targets of pocketing?

[Farkran]

Based on what i heard so far i'm willing to work with Shiki and Cakez as my current townbloc. If anyone has something to object to that, please speak now.

I am fine with my vote on karnage.

@Marvelous, Undefeated, Nice-smelling Zote the Mighty, can you post a readlist worthy of your many titles?

[Farkran]

What do you mean?

I just don't like the interaction I had with him so far and it may be clouding my judgement regarding his slot. The emotional part of me WANTS him to scum if that makes sense and I'm trying to remain rational.

This is actually a good answer to my attack, although it also denotes experience from your part, which makes it less AI than it should. Enough for now, though

UNVOTE:

[Farkran]

Fark seems pretty early to declare that townbloc no?

Why?

[Farkran]

Why did you support my question to karnage then? How do you read karnage right now?

[Farkran]

get a room: Keiji and Sara, Cakez, Eve

[Farkran]

Shiki and Cakez as my current townbloc

Why?

~k

Shiki for her proactive opening, cakez for supporting my scumhunt in a reasonable fashion rather than overpushing/overdefending. It's early, sure, but those two are already quite solid reads.

[Farkran]

Based on what i heard so far i'm willing to work with Shiki and Cakez as my current townbloc. If anyone has something to object to that, please speak now.

I am fine with my vote on karnage.

@Marvelous, Undefeated, Nice-smelling Zote the Mighty, can you post a readlist worthy of your many titles?

Right now I have townleans on shiki and Eve, I'm pretty null on everyone else.

What makes eve stand above the rest of the pool? Can you point me to specific posts from eve that lead you to believe this?

To be fair, i am grateful for her help in building the rooms, but that's very much NAI. I don't particularly like her right now, the content/posts ratio isn't town indicative - there are a couple solve-oriented posts but she fails to draw conclusions from her actions. Maybe it's just a difference in pace between our plastyles, or a preference towards hoodsolving, we'll see how it evolves.

For now, i'll leave a VOTE: Eve here.

[Farkran]

Although I ADORE zote the mighty slot, I feel like it hasn't generated much content

I have a similar feeling on zote. Why do we disagree on eve? Where is she town?

[Farkran]

Although I ADORE zote the mighty slot, I feel like it hasn't generated much content

I have a similar feeling on zote. Why do we disagree on eve? Where is she town?

I'm still waiting for an answer to this, which had been dodged in favor of voting me, i see

[Farkran]

also Baezu you should put that vote down on who you think the scum is

Which is a followup of this, i guess. Nice move from eve.

VOTE: aaronzote

[Farkran]

VOTE: Farkran


Darnit, multi-posting is going to be a pinata

Post Restriction: Eve must provide praise, compliment, or express affection for Ame in each post. And these must be unique.

I dislike this and baezu's votes most.

Both of you, please explain why you're voting me/sheeping eve?

[Farkran]

I'm leaning scum on Farkran but I'm not confident.

Any other reason besides me questioning your introductory post about quick hoods?

[Farkran]

None of my votes were placed on my townreads, when each respective vote was cast.

I asked questions, some were answered, some were not. I am moving my votes from people who reacted in a way i like, to people i don't like and from whom i'm expecting answers.

[Farkran]

Yes you did eve

So did aaronzote

VOTE: Baezu

I'm growing more fond of ame in our hood, my PoE for today is pretty much set, i want to lynch baezu.

Yeah, i'm still working with shiki being my highest townread, i like cakez, Ame is doing a good job pocketing me so i can buy that for today - rest of the people have reacted in a way i like, so i'm not interested. I'm still unable to read alisae properly so i might lynch there too if it becomes popular. I won't push there anytime soon though, i'm set on baezu today.

[Farkran]

Fair chances that the scumteam is baezu/alisae

That push is bad - we have played together a lot recently, and we've been productive while working together as town, it shouldn't surprise you that i wanted a room together. I also talked to you at length about how i am unable to pocket - scum!me ignores the hood mechanics in this game, i wouldn't endorse it.

I had the intention to use the hoods to get a read on ame (another player i have recently played a lot with), and once i noticed shiki was eith her in a different hood, i told her we would try to crossread Ame by asking her similar questions in the separate hoods and see if she was consistent or trying to pocket either side.

Moreover, in the same fark/shiki/alikanna, kanna explicitly said that she scumreaded me in the cultgame we've played together a couple months ago, for TMIing her town. She knows that i form reads quickly - the push based on my read of cakez is intentional misinterpretation of my playstyle. I expressed my reasons to townread him, for his question directed at karnage.

I no longer believe that Karnage is scum, that's the first vote i moved away from - i've been clear about this. Disagreement about Eve is not a reason to push me from alikanna POV.

Case closed - if i flip, deadsheep me on both of these before lylo

[Farkran]

So, i have been asked by Kanna why i moved my vote on Baezu. I'm no longer trusting that hood, so i'm answering here.

As i said, i have been asking questions and testing uncertain slots for reactions - i'm avoiding everyone who acted in a way i like. I already explained this a couple times. I townread shiki for her introduction, cakez for supporting my questioning of karnage, karnage for his answers after getting questioned, eve for making a move on baezu in 297, and Ame for how she talked to me in my other hood. Ame also offered an interesting towncase on aaronzote, i want to believe that - any!Ame would probably tell the truth about it.

Baezu on ther other hand has been opportunistic with his vote and offered very little content worth of note - i already offered my case on alisae, so that's my current solve.

If you want to flip me instead, it's fine, i think i have made myself deadsheepable enough

[Farkran]

We have claims that all of {Eve, Shiki, KaS} protected Ame.

So, the options are narrowed down to a direct kill on KaS, or a kill on Ame.

I protected Shiki.

It's weird that scum would target Ame when she has been asking around for protections. Either Ame is scum, exactly with one of the people aware of the protection network around her, or scum wanted to target KaS. To be honest, the only player that would target KaS directly is... me.

So i think the kill was directed at Ame. I still think any!Ame would make a good towncase of Aaron, so Aaron goes in my townpool as well. I maintain Cakez and Shiki from yesterday.

That leaves Ame, Eve and Karnage for me.

VOTE: Eve

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Shiki why were you on me if Eve and KaS were?

Farkran, I'm not getting your reasoning from here or the hood. In hood you stated that I'd be scum with Eve, Cakes, or Shiki, but why would Eve or Cakes target me if they didn't know KaS was protecting me?

My point is that scum didn't want nor care to kill KaS.

They wanted either to give townpoints to Ame (hence she is included in my scumpool), or remove one of her protectors.

The chance of a direct KaS scumkill exists, but i see no motive from anyone but me - except if scum wanted to push a mislynch on me, which would point to cakez. But i don't scumread cakez - if he's scum, i'll find his partner first

[Farkran]

Ame + anybody who knew she was being protected is a valid solve. You don't have to include all the people, just one.

For instance, Ame+Cakez might have wanted to give townpoints to ame and/or remove eve - this applies even without knowledge that KaS would also protect Ame.

Who else knew that shiki and KaS would protect Ame? I didn't learn that until the deadline was over.

[Farkran]

Ame, if you are scum with anyone who could chat with eve separately, targeting you over Eve will get you townpoints. Killing Eve directly is suboptimal.

If nobody else knew what shiki or KaS would do, a Ame kill would imply people limited to those in a hood where Eve said she would protect Ame.

Otherwise we are looking at a direct KaS kill.

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Of course the above is only considering a scum!Ame world.

Targeting town!Ame means scum just didn't care.

[Farkran]

targeting [Ame] would be a completely unnecessary risk.

Say a bodyguard would target Eve without announcing it. Scum kills eve, another bodyguard dies in her place = Ame townpoints go down the drain.

It's a risk, but it's not unnecessary - or rather, it doesn't go without a significant reward. If scum!Ame knows exactly that Eve is protecting her, scum!Ame targets Ame, not Eve.

Anyways, this is only true in a world where Ame is scum. Otherwise, scum wanted to target Ame - but with so many people protecting her and at least one announcing it, i find it hard to believe. It would mean that scum is within those who aren't Ame and didn't protect her, i.e. {Cakez, Karnage, Aaron, Farkran}. I don't scumread any of those - in particular, from town to scum it's Farkran > Cakez > Aaron > Karnage.

To be fair i'm more inclined to believe in a world where Eve didn't protect Ame.

[Farkran]

*thinking about this also reminded me that ame asked about whether or not mafia could self-target in the thread shortly before the lynch. seems unlikely that mafia would do so and then self-target in the night as a means of getting towncred.

Ehhh... I mean... It happens more often than you'd think, and Ame knows that.

But that doesn't hard-guilty Ame. It's a theory, and i want to look into Eve first. I am not discounting worlds where scum killed KaS directly to push a lynch on me, and Eve would also fit with that.

[Farkran]

I hardly think alike with anyone, unfortunately. In this game in particular, it might be because i am really burned out and are efforting as little as possible.

But hollow knight is a great, awesome game. I'm proud to have bought it 2 years ago and completed it to ~104%

[Farkran]

get a room: ame, shiki

[Farkran]

But hoods aren’t going to help you read Fark

Hi ali <3

Hoods aren't made for you to read me, they are made for me to read you

And shiki is town, this has already been confirmed

What you meant here Fark?

Just that i townread shiki, for how we handled things in the hood. I working with the assumption that she's town. That being said, i also offered a baezu/kas solve back in d1, so my reads aren't exactly top tier right now. Still, Eve is currently my best guess.

[Farkran]

To be honest, if Eve is town i'd vote Ame today. I don't mind being removed as long as neither of those two get to lylo.

From how things rolled out, Ame and Shiki are almost certainly disaligned and by the d1 lynch VCA any of them could be the off wagon scum - i townread shiki much more than Ame.

Aaron was the wagon leader and has been easily sheeped to a quick hammer, i really don't think it was a wagon led by scum. Eve and Cakez are the other slots that look bad on wagon, and out of the two i townread Cakez most.

Karnage is still a possibility but i wouldn't lynch there today.

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Fark has just been all over the place, just looking at his ISO
I feel like he didn't progress at all from the Baezu and K/S flips which is really off considering they were his two main SRs day 1

>I have two SRs
>I kill them both

Is this what you find scummy about me?

[Farkran]

My problem with you is that I'm not wolf reading your posts by itself...

It's hard to explain, it's an intelectual read rather than a gut read and I often have guts more.

I don't have the gut feeling your posts are scummy, it's more me fitting everything together and sensing you might be a wolf.

I don't have town read guts on you either though, nothing you said particularly made me feel you're likely town or scum as well.

I know perfectly what you mean, as this is usually how i form reads.

However, i am town - even if you are not believing me, you should prepare a world alternative to your theory when i flip. If you build too much on the scum!fark foundations, you'll be lost when that build falls

[Farkran]

KaS said they weren't protecting anyone

Fark, why you thought KaS was protecting no one when she had said she would tell you guys close to deadline?

Where did you first got this information?

In the Fark/Shiki/KaS hood, they posted that, in their other hood, they claimed they wouldn't protect anyone. Then, ~29 hours later (close to night 1 deadline), they said in my hood they have been protecting Ame. I didn't refresh the KaS hood page before talking to Ame, so i assumed they were still protecting nobody - i corrected myself when i refreshed and read.

[Farkran]

Fark has just been all over the place, just looking at his ISO
I feel like he didn't progress at all from the Baezu and K/S flips which is really off considering they were his two main SRs day 1

>I have two SRs
>I kill them both

Is this what you find scummy about me?

no your reads didn't develop at all from your two SRs flipping town
you just went "welp they were town" and picked someone else to push
and you've already given up it feels like

You have missed my point by a mile

Kills are controlled by scum - why do i kill both my scumreads without being prepared to follow-up?

[Farkran]

You didn't kill Baezu?
And we don't know scum tried to kill K/S

I voted baezu

And yeah, so you're assuming i targeted ame. Why am i more suspicious than eve or shiki, who didn't die? The setup rules state that if multiple bodyguards protect a target, one dies at random, but the coincidence is there.

Scum also have the ability to roleblock two targets (multitasking). Are you assuming they blocked Eve?

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Eh, you know, i'm much more confident in my flip than eve's

My read on karnage is an overthinker profile that would explain lamist actions as town. He's in my lynchpool, but not among my top scumreads. I'd rather lynch Eve or Ame today.

However, i am starting to doubt cakez motivations and i might move him down my list. Both he and eve are largely ignoring wagonomics - my wagon went very fast to L-1 twice now, yet they didn't pause to consider everyone's motive for voting my way.

Karnage is not among my interests. If you want to hammer me to stop a eve lynch, i have already offered my thoughts about that

[Farkran]

K

[Farkran]

So, you have Karnage in both solves, but you just moved your vote from Karnage to me.

Your reasons were to hammer me to stop a Eve lynch, but Eve has exactly one vote - my own - and the only thing that happened inbtween your two votes is me refusing to vote Karnage.

Ok, i still trust you know what you are doing

get a room: Churros, Eve

[Farkran]

Nah, it's better this way

[Farkran]

he needs to flip today no matter what

I agree with this tbh

I'm not going to get listened to until i flip, and my wagons has been reiterated twice. It's the most informative and useful.

[Farkran]

Therefore Farkran today, Karnage tomorrow.

Nope

After i flip, you lynch Eve

[Farkran]

Fark since you've given up who is scum with Eve?

I already left a full testament in my hoods

You can join with me in a room if you want to share, i wouldn't be against it

Anyways it's Eve first

[Farkran]

I kinda already did in the main thread too

I do want to cross-check the hoods though, i strongly doubt that Ame-Shiki is exactly the solve.

[Farkran]

Can you remind me why you are townreading Eve?

[Farkran]

Now let's imagine Eve is scum as you're saying and did one of the two things above:

1) If she/partner did target Ame, it's weird that she would claim to be on Ame in the first place because if Ame was NK'ed, she would be suspicious. Even if she claimed roleblock'ed and that one of Shiki/Aaron spilled the info from the hood, it would still mean it's confirmed to have scum in [Eve, Shiki, Aaron].

Eve isn't a plotter. She's a very straightforward/simple person from what I know of her, she wouldn't try to pull such a master strategy as scum, she would just play normally, goofy around and kill towny slots I imagine. (A)

It doesn't glue together to me that after Ame begged her in the hood to target her, she would as scum try to NK Ame. It would look bad on her, and there was no special reason to NK Ame,

it wasn't a bad slot but neither it was great. (B)

A.

You're discounting her partner's profile, and that's your only reason to pull her out from this world's scumpool.

B.

It isn't a great slot, but out of 7 people alive you are pulling out only Eve, Ame and yourself from the lynchpool. Did you consider Ame worse than Baezu and KaS, to say this today?

2)

If she did try to NK KaS directly, the unique thing that comes to my mind would be trying to mislynch Fark (C)

if they weren't her partner. But these were some of the last posts from day 1:

should i hammer i want to hammer

honestly keiji and sara might be scum because sara might be trying to pocket me and cakez in our hood

If this flips town I agree with Eve that Keiji and Sara is off

If she's scum, she's seeing KaS as mislynchable (D)

and even got support from Cakez that the slot would be the next to go. Directly killing KaS isn't natural because she could lynch the slot, and only later go for Fark. It didn't seem as if she was trying to pull one on Fark at all with her posting that day either.

Considering the above, I don't believe she's a wolf.

C.

Look at who she's voting

D.

This exact same thing is also true for me, but i'm one of your main pushes, to the point that you would flip me over a higher scumread for the precise purpose of protecting Eve.

You should seriously reconsider your logic if town, or the rest of the town should keep this in mind for later

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So you have ignored all my 4 points by posting a threat, and you're lining up a mislynch in case you are wrong.

I thought you knew what you were doing - there is a plan that you may have by playing this way, but you are probably not acting in good faith.

Town, keep this in mind.

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So, you have a meta read on Eve that allows you to put her in your townbloc - this has been established.

I disagree with you about Eve, and if i had to give a priority rank of my lynches for today it would be Eve > Ame > Cakez > Churros > Karnage. These are the people whom i believe might not be acting in good faith right now.

In my hoods i offered a slightly different solve, but the core is there. I am not willing to sheep you on both your reads of Eve and Karnage when you are also scumreading me - you need to review your solve before i can trust you to lead this town. Or flip me, that's still a better choice.

[Farkran]

You played an awesome game in that normal, whereas i failed significantly. This is also why i expect more of you here. I'm telling you that you should reconsider your logic. If you want to flip karnage, lead a wagon on him - Eve does not need protection, nor Karnage needs my vote to be flipped.

You're being overly aggressive towards my slot and that's what makes me think you're not acting in good faith.

pedit: when did we play together besides that mini normal?

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I don't need you or anyone else to sheep me Farkran...

Yet you've been threatening me to follow you or you would push me instead - this only makes sense with a specific plan in mind and i'm starting to doubt you're doing what i expect you would do.

Uh... i have no idea who you are anyways, i had good games and bad games, i'm not doing particularly good recently both because i'm trying things i'm not used/comfortable with, and because i am really, really burned out from some intense exchanges in some games. And a tiny bit of bad luck, but mostly it's my fault.

All bases covered, i still suggest that you reconsider your logic. If you don't want to drop your read on Eve, i can compromise on Ame or Cakez - otherwise, flip me.

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My only request for town!you is that you reconsider your logic and make up a backup plan after my flip

My only request for the town in case of scum!you is to read these posts and keep in mind what i said about you being overly aggressive and inefficient logicwise

I do not have anything to add

[Farkran]

I'm not asking you to reconsider your read of me, i am asking you to reconsider your confidence and opening your mind to alternatives, because from my POV i know that you are wrong and if you are a puzzle solver like i am, you should know that when a piece doesn't fit, your puzzle is probably wrong as well.

I'm not backing off from my lynch, as i said it will be a very informative flip. I'm trying to let town know where they could be wrong - i think your read on Eve is purely metabased, yet you have tried to attach logic to it which i think it's the reason why you are towntunneling Eve or acting in bad faith against me.

pedit: do we want to act cohesively? We lynch Cakez. Do we want ego plays? I stay on Eve and i probably get flipped.

[Farkran]

Eh, listen - i think Eve is scum, i know i am not, Karnage is maybe but it's a maybe that comes after Cakez and Ame

There's no common ground to work with you today with these premises. You say Eve is town, the best thing i could tell you is let's try to get the 2nd scum, and i want either Ame or Cakez for that. Your Fark/Karnage solve is wrong, i think Eve/Karnage is also wrong, i have no reason to vote Karnage today over people that i think could be scum with Eve.

[Farkran]

VOTE: cakez

[Farkran]

I'm fine with the current wagonomics, but i disagree with churros theory and solve. I still stand by the solve i offered in my hoods.

If karnage is scum, he has a partner and it's not me - to be honest though i still stand by the solve i offered in my hoods.

[Farkran]

(i failed while rereading the post, but in case you didn't get the point i could repeat it again, lol)

[Farkran]

GG scum, very well played.

I guess i had veeery terrible reads d1, then improved to a full solve d2 (although not 100% sure on Ame, i would go Cakez first and maybe Churros after d2, but as he said the game would have been very different if we lynched Eve instead).

I need to go a long way for my communication skills - Churros is a prime example of how to get listened, regardless of his read accuracy, which in this game failed just as much as he was amazingly correct in the game we played together. It happens, and it's not entirely your fault, Churros. Scum played good and i cannot obvtown no matter how i try, i need to improve on that as well.

I am really burned from fms recently, and even taking into account some bad luck (especially with vig powers, in general), my performance has evidently dropped and i need to restore my spirit. I am taking a minor break after this game, i wish you all a good time, i will be back and crush you all

[Farkran]

Sure, all my PTs are clear to go