Micro 937 / Reservoir Dogs DDU / Game Over!

[Ame]

Esper please teach me the art of espermoji •̀ㅁ•́

[Ame]

71% win for scum

I'm Mr. Blonde

[Ame]

VOTE: RC

눈‸

[Ame]

pretty sure i had a divine vision which i am also going to treat as truth.

lol I had this exact same thought

[Ame]

VOTE: shiki

[Ame]

71% win for scum

I'm Mr. Blonde

Did you calculate for the possibility i'm scum? Because I'm sure that number drops considerably if so...

You just won a game as scum though

[Ame]

VOTE: Ame
VOTE: Conspire
HEAL: shiki
HEAL: Enter
HEAL: bugspray
VOTE: Something_Smart

Why Shiki?

[Ame]

Hm. I think Shiki is pretty apparently scum.

[Ame]

Where can I watch this film?

[Ame]

VOTE: S_S

RCE, aside from Shiki, you're the only player I didn't get a gut townie feel from your opening. My only experience with you is hard-boiled eggs, but I recall you being apparently townie almost immediately (despite your attempt to play somewhat scummily). Additionally, 64 is positioning yourself to be uninvolved. I recently played a game where scum did something similar (~~~). Again, I'm not too familiar with your playstyle, but I do know based on HBE that you adjust it strategically. For example, in that game you took a back seat Day 1 because you were a power role. Seeing as there are no PRs this game, this strategy cannot be compatible with a town role. Therefore, there's a good chance that your positioning is scum motivated.

Something_Smart, you are playing in a way as if waiting for something to latch onto rather than immediately getting into things. Yes, you're a man of few words in general, but that doesn't preclude you from being involved, even if it's just fluffy stuff. You are likely scum.

Mr. Pink, you asking me to go into my reads, even while in the middle of your role play, is a townie thing to do. You are likely town.

Iconeum, it's strange that you considered yourself as potentially being a part of the scum team. While you were joking, this doesn't seem like a thought that would occur to a townie. Additionally, you accidentally referring to Isis as scum is indicative of a partner slip. You are possibly scum.

shiki, your play so far has been focused on establishing rapport (34, 37, 47, 49, 54). This indicates that your alignment / role is such that public relations are a priority. Furthermore, you had a reactionary response to my scum read in 63, as indicated by the mimicking of my use of "hm." Doing so was likely the result of a subconscious impulse to exhibit bravado: such is the natural instinct of a person who is attempting to uphold a certain image of themselves (in this case that image being that you are a townsperson). Additionally, inquiring about my read further indicates that you are concerned with how you are being perceived. It is highly likely that you are scum.

Conspire (anonymous hydra), you have been responding quickly and fluidly, which indicates a lack of guilt or associations. Your 27 is indicative of the mind of a detective. It is highly likely you are town.

Isis, The post you quoted of shikis in 61 does not appear sufficient enough for a town lean. It is likely that this is fabricated and that you are scum. However, since I tunneled incorrectly in Chiptune, I will give you the benefit of the doubt until D2.

Jake The Wolfie, your RVS and RP appear natural. The RP itself is NAI, but there is a certain maliciousness that can be identified among nefarious RPers, and you do not appear to have it. You are likely town.

[Ame]

Jake

, I town read each of them.

RCE

, For the record, my case is not:

1: You are playing differently than in the prior game.
C: You are likely scum.

It is:

1: You stated an inability to get into the game.
2: It is page 3.
C[1-2]: Your statement is premature.
3: You are a Tactic+Strategy-minded player.
C[1-3]: It is likely strategically relevant that you made a premature statement.
4: There are only Vanilla Townies this game.
5: There is no strategic reason for a Vanilla Townie to prematurely state an inability to get into the game.
6: There is a strategic reason for mafia to prematurely state an inability to get into the game. That being, positioning themselves in a way where they can be less involved.
C[1-6]: You are likely scum.
7: It may be, however, that you simply have difficulty getting into vanilla setups. I do not know since I have only read one of your games.
C:[1-7] If 7 is false, then C[1-6] is true.

Shiki

, it is not strange. And it is apparent to me that you are fabricating a reason to be suspicious of me. I singled out your side of the exchange because you are the one who initiated it. Yes, you consciously mimicked the use of 'hm,' but the reasoning behind why (our innate instinct to bolster ourselves when preserving our image) was likely subconscious. My approach is not complicated. You are unnecessarily inserting WIFOM into the equation with no evidence that I ever intend to back down from my read. I did not come into the game trying to sort your slot, I simply picked up that you are scum. I do not intend to tunnel any scumread that provides satisfactory responses.

S_S

, I included this line "yes, you're a man of few words in general, but that doesn't preclude you from being involved, even if it's just fluffy stuff," because I anticipated your response. In all of your games, you immediately form interactions even if they are just fluff.

[Ame]

You have convinced me. Your response just now was quick and has an aura of guiltlessness. You are likely town.

UNVOTE: S_S

[Ame]

Ame turns to the woman keeping records, "

@Mod I am voting Shiki and RCE

." Suddenly a dragon-like creature bursts into the room and begins pointing out things like the color of the carpet and the number of lights in the room. Ame turns to the creature and stares in bewilderment.

Is it possible he is a traitor once more?

"Iconeum, do you vote people for superficial reasons as town as well, or are we to do this dance a third time?"

[Ame]

Shiki

, you lack the mindset of a detective. A detective does not inform the suspect of what they intend to do before they do it. They steak them out and wait to catch them in the act. You're presuming that my intentions were to "get you to question me so that I could town read you so that you could town read me" with no evidence that I ever intended to town read you. If this was a genuine suspicion of yours, I believe you would have waited to observe my behavior. The fact that you did not indicates that you are more concerned with displaying investigatory behavior rather than actually investigating. You are my only scum read, and Conspire and now Mr Pink are my only town reads. All others are leans. This is reflected by the degree of certainty expressed in my reads: highly likely = strong read, likely/possible = lean.

Iconeum

, yes I have. I researched your town games during strawberry and I kept up with your play in Mini Normal 2119. Your town play is focused on developing town reads. Your scum play is focused on making pushes. Furthermore, you push players for incredibly superficial reasons as scum as you did on myself and Isis here. It is likely you are scum.

Mr. Pink

, you demonstrate concern with the activity levels and are attempting to progress the game. You reaffirm my view of you and it is highly likely you are town.

VOTE: Iconeum

[Ame]

Iconeum

, you misrepresent my case which is that you push players for superficial reasons, not because your meta is different. I bring up the meta as a counter to your meta argument that Ico is the same regardless of alignment. It is simply not the case. Again, however, that is not the point. The point is that you are pushing players for superficial reasons rather than attempting to solve. Therefore, you are likely scum.

[Ame]

I have yet to see it. Perhaps you could provide an example.

[Ame]

Iconeum, yes, my reasons for voting Shiki are sound, as are my reasons for voting you. Perhaps it may be the case that you are the only players with whom a non-superficial case can be made upon because you two are the mafia players.

[Ame]

Pink or Isis, I am at L-1 and therefore I ask that you unvote me.

[Ame]

Iconeum, I haven't yet but I will.

V/LA until Friday

[Ame]

Iconeum

, the games you provided are similar in style to your play here. Thank you for sharing. My only remaining concern with your play is 127. You stated that you believe I am town, but that you like where you were at. Is that not contradictory? Besides that, I like your responses thus far. You must, however, kill my N1 because if Shiki + Enigma does not end the game, I will most certainly tunnel you.

Isis

, the post you quoted of Ico's as a town post is NAI as they have made nearly identical posts in their confirmed scum games.

Esper

, what is RRS? My read on Shiki is genuine. All other scum reads were exploratory.

Mr. Pink

, I imagine I give you the spooks because I have been speaking to you directly about my read on you when reads are usually provided in third-person. Speaking of one's town read in second-person induces the sense of being manipulated in the receiver. Additionally, because of how early I read you and the reasoning I used to justify it, it comes off as a TMI read. It is not a TMI read, you are simply transparent.

Shiki

, you produced a false dichotomy whereby my only town motivation could be to quick-sort your slot. This is disingenuous and further confirms that you are in fact scum. I believe your read on Mr. Pink is also fabricated. It is not believable that you find their posts forced considering their gimmick. Yes, you stated that you believe it comes from their RP, but this is obvious. It is filler that that did not need to be stated. I believe you only did so in order to demonstrate to Conspire that you are "solving". Additionally, your read on me is not the read town!Shiki would have, being familiar with my meta. Town!Shiki would be puzzled why Ame is playing in a way that so deviates from her usual style and would not take it on the surface to be indicative of scum. Your lack of contemplation is highly indicative that you are scum.

I will not lynch anyone other than Shiki or Enigma today. Enigma because he is unable to be sorted, is voting town slots, and has admitted to being unable to provide value to the game.

[Ame]

@Mod, I believe I am voting Enigma

. In case not, I will revote.

VOTE: RCEnigma
UNVOTE: Iconeum

@Mod, would it be possible to also include a list of who each individual is voting? Such as


Ame > Shiki, RCEnigma
Mr. Pink > Ame, Iconeum, Isis

[Ame]

me*

[Ame]

Raven mod thank you!

We should certainly lynch Shiki for that spoiler. I watched the film. It was good. I miss films like that. I think it's the long shots. Shots nowadays are like a few seconds long before they cut to another and it's nauseating. Also, I hate my character. We should lynch me out of spite.

[Ame]

Also, the nuance exhibited by the actors. I like when things aren't spoon-fed.

In particular, my guy's portrayal of antisocial personality disorder was spot on. And Mr. Orange's confliction during the shootout was masterfully communicated. And the tit-tat between white and pink. And knowing orange slipped up as soon as he told Eddie blonde was going to turn.

Azelf's little legs ≧
◡≦

[Ame]

Why is pops speaking as if Hectic and Kanna are in the game?

[Ame]

Why is Ame speaking as if pops is in the game?

[Ame]

Isis, can you elaborate on this nail and why it induces anxiety?

[Ame]

Your fear is well justified. In the Hallownest, there are many such bugs who wield the Nail with great vigor.

[Ame]

RCE

, regarding 213, Ico is not the third if either you or shiki is town. Ico is the third if

you

are town. Shiki is scum. Therefore Ico cannot be scum with Isis. Therefore Isis is town. What concerned me with you voting there was your reason. You voted her after she made a fairly NAI post I believe. What did you find scummy about it? Conspire is the most pro-town slot this game and they have the enthusiasm of a townie. You voting there also feels very wrong. I was referring to these two with regard to you voting town slots. I wasn't aware that you had voted Jake.

Esper

, regarding 216, as shiki pointed out, her use of 'hm' here was a direct response to mine. It wasn't a subconscious mimicry. The reason why she did so was subconscious. Regardless, the point is that it was a knee-jerk reaction to pressure. She wanted to give the appearance that she was unconcerned with my push. It does not come from a town disposition. Why do you believe Shiki's reason for her lighthearted tone? You are right that my point about Shiki's filler is invalid since it was a response to Isis. This is the sort of wisdom that comes from the perceptual nuance of an INTP.

Shiki

, regarding 281, Isis claimed Freddy did she not? So her view on Pink's scum slip was not genuine. Therefore your read on her based on that reasoning would be invalid. I agree with your other points. Regarding 284 where did Jake draw attention to me?

Isis

, your 273 and 274 look to be of the mindset of a townie. Your case on Jake is quite good as well. Why you did not play with such a divine spirit in Chiptune I will forever ponder. Let us join forces and eliminate the mafia ruled by Shiki.

[Ame]

Isis

, regarding 289, thank you. I failed to catch that you only realized you were Freddy via being Mr. Organge. It is possible I had similar failings when it came to your divine spirit in Chiptune.

RCE

, regarding 301, considering that Isis was joking about Enter (see: 315), your reasoning is very off. It's as if you are trying to make a LAMISTy mistake in the same vein you are accusing Isis of having done. My suspicion of you increases.

I also suspect that your read of Shiki is insincere, and that it is coming from scum with a layer 2 yomi.

L0: You are town who town reads Shiki
L1: You are scum with TMI on town Shiki
L2: You are scum with scum Shiki hoping that I will operate within L1.

Cosmic, regarding 318, as town, Shiki would have not reacted to my push at all. For example, see this thread. It may not be open just yet, but I voiced suspicions of Shiki similarly to here and she had no reaction to it. She was more concerned with progressing the game than managing my perception of her. This is primarily why I am reading her reaction the way I am here. I don't think 63 comes from town Shiki especially because my post wasn't addressed toward her. I think town shiki would have waited to observe how our interaction played out and formed her opinions silently until she was ready or prodded to provide them. Alternatively, if she found my suspicion particularly suspicious, she would have attempted to discern where I was coming from before making a judgement. Her 'hm' however indicates that she had already made a judgment and wasn't approaching me in good faith. This is further supported by how her reasoning essentially placed me in a position where I cannot be town in any scenario: If I town read her, I am scum because my plan all along was to town read her. If I scum read her, I am scum because my plan is to get her to town read me so I can town read her.

I also alluded to suspicions of Shiki in the first game we played together and her reaction was first that of inquiry (183, bottom). And another reaction with good faith analysis (314).

[Ame]

RCE, Enter being included is inherently tied to whether she was posting as if there were three scum. If you do not believe she thought Enter was a real player, then she was not posting as if there were 3 scum. Your reasoning is insincere. I am certain you are scum.

UNVOTE: Shiki

@

Everyone

, I will not lynch anyone other than RCE today. Join me in this endeavor. Let us rid of the cop before our eyes.

[Ame]

L0: You are town who town reads Shiki
L1: You are scum with TMI on town Shiki
L2: You are scum with scum Shiki hoping that I will operate within L1.

Yes, these are the options.

Additionally, you spent 4 minutes contemplating how to respond to this portion of my post, likely because I was correct. This is not the response of a townie. It is highly likely Shiki is your partner, otherwise you would have refuted this argument as wifom as is the typical response.

[Ame]

Your response effuses scum uncertain of how to respond. It is that of one who is self-conscious and feels they need to respond in a way that brushes off the accusation. It is unnatural, however. I do not know how to explain it further than this, but I have faith that intuitives such as conspire will understand where I am coming from.

[Ame]

There is no implication because Enter is not a player. It is simple. You are forcing it to be something it is not.

[Ame]

She responded to it by demonstrating how silly it was for you to presume she was implying three scum.

[Ame]

I did not state it could be one of those. I specifically said it was Layer 2. I listed them for your convenience. I'll accept that you misinterpreted. However, the point that you took 4 minutes to respond to that portion, and were thus contemplating how to responds, stands.

[Ame]

It doesn't diminish the argument. It diminishes your counter to the argument. The argument is diminished by the reasoning in 325/329.


@Pedit: You specifically omitted the second portion of my post during your initial response and then responded to it 4 minutes later. It's not like you responded to a separate post. So business is not a factor at all. If you were busy, you simply would have responded to the entirety of the post later. You deliberately left that portion out as you weren't sure how or even if you were going to respond.

[Ame]

I don't think it's necessary to continue this further. I've stated my case, you've stated your rebuttal. My mind isn't changing. Let us see where everyone else stands.

[Ame]

Jake the Wolfie (4) - RCEnigma, Conspire, Isis, Iconeum

I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that

Jake is at L-1

.

[Ame]

I will not lynch anyone other than RCE today.

[Ame]

It will not fall victim to the 71%

[Ame]

You cannot fool me goddess turned terrorist organization.

[Ame]

Shiki, Isis corrected me in 289 and I responded in 322. There was nothing for you to address as I was mistaken. Could you elaborate on how Jake brought attention to my read list there? I don't quite understand. The bouncer is the mod, correct?

[Ame]

I didn't think anything of it. I just thought he was making a joke about asking for a read on the mod. I didn't draw the connection that he was making a comment about my read list.

Are you currently or are you going to vote RCE?

[Ame]

S_S

and

Mr. Pink

what do you think about the point brought up against RCE regarding his reasoning for voting pops? 322 is where the discussion begins.

[Ame]

Mr. Pink, could you explain why you are voting who you are then.

[Ame]

Shiki, my case is what I outlined in 393. His association with you is pure speculation and not relevant to the read. What do you think about his pops reasoning?

[Ame]

V/LA until Friday.

I'll still be able to meet deadlines.

[Ame]

If we don't lynch RCE or Shiki today, we cannot win the game before N1. I prefer to win before N1.

[Ame]

Shiki said she liked Jake for bringing attention to my reads. Now she is positioning herself to hammer him. Shiki is not town. Let us town members unite and eliminate those who would do us harm.

[Ame]

S_S, I invite you to vote for RCE. Let us unite against those who would do us harm.

[Ame]

Isis, Shiki was town leaning Jake. Her positioning to hammer him is clear opportunism. Well, I suppose it could be distancing as well. Regardless, do you not sense the corruption in her heart?

[Ame]

Shiki, why have you not reconsidered me after Hungarian?

[Ame]

Shiki, I think the fact that you were willing to hammer this early without giving Jake the chance to speak further is scum indicative.

I ask about Hungarian because you mentioned that you did not have the knowledge before, implying that would have influenced how you went about things here. You have the knowledge now, does that change your perspective?

[Ame]

:X

:3

VOTE: S_S

L-1 I believe

[Ame]

Does that count?

[Ame]

Shiki, skimming that game, I am coming to understand that I have only experienced a small sliver of your personality. I will look at it in depth when I have the time.

[Ame]

VOTE: RCE

[Ame]

Everyone, please do not vote unless it is for RCE. We can no longer win before the Night is upon us, but we may still weaken the enemy line.

[Ame]

Isis, yes, it is only fair.

And yet again you demonstrate your gift of the associative mind. You are truly blessed.

[Ame]

≧◡≦

[Ame]

locktown

[Ame]

Mr. Pink is there a reason you do not wish to vote RCE?

[Ame]

I see. I do not think we will win this.

UNVOTE: RCE
VOTE: Ame

[Ame]

Esper

, I wasn't aware. I will leave my vote off for now so that I may hammer if it becomes available. I also thought that you had abandoned us. I do not think we can win without you. The town is in disarray. There is no cohesion. We require a

Great Uniter

. And I do not think anyone can do it but you. Additionally, the voting mechanic is extremely detrimental to town. Multi voting masks scum's voting trail and it makes it very easy for players to quickly be placed at L-1 and be hammered. I do not think we can win unless the majority of us agree to only vote one person at a time.

RCE

, my vote was a joke. I did not expect Isis to hammer.

[Ame]

UNVOTE: Ame

[Ame]

Jake, when you are online I ask that you vote for RCE. We are not going to be able to win this without another since Mr. Pink insists on aiding the enemy.

[Ame]

Shiki, it is a phrase that is predominantly used by scum who are self-conscious about their TMI.

[Ame]

RCE, which part?

[Ame]

Shiki, the phrase is alternatively used when speaking to a scum read. For example, if I were to ask you to vote RCE, I would use it as indicator that I still do not town read you, but if you do happen to be town, that you should vote for him.

[Ame]

Have I ever mentioned that I love you.

[Ame]

Actually, I suppose I lied. I did anticipate a couple of days ago that if I voted S_S, town!Isis would hammer. I had forgotten that at the time I voted, however. I know this sounds strange, but it is the truth. It's as if there are two of me sometimes: Ame the player and Ame the observer. The observer was aware that Isis would hammer. The player was not.

I don't think it reflects negatively on her alignment because I think S_S is someone that Isis would be OK eliminating from the pool. I also town read the rest of her play. In particular, I don't think scum!pops would be comfortable enough joking about not being able to use the scum PT. I also think 273 is genuine. And 274 comes off as coming from a solve-oriented and slightly frustrated townie (which again is why I interpret her hammer as natural). Additionally, her case on Jake was nuanced in a way that I also believe comes from a solve-oriented mind.

[Ame]

Isid, do you think it was scum indicative or NAI?

[Ame]

iSid

[Ame]

That does not answer my question, however.

[Ame]

If you, me, Conspire, and another townie cannot come together, we are doomed to fail. I ask again that you vote RCE. I am in full agreement with the BoP contract.

[Ame]

Shiki, scum are not able to communicate during the day.

[Ame]

Esper, my read is independent. I think your play demonstrates solve-oriented mind. In particular, you are questioning all without bias, you've handled me vs shiki objectively, and you have made an effort to sort through the nuance of the cases presented.

Isis, regarding your AMA, could you answer my question from before?

[Ame]

Shiki, you stated that it was convenient, implying that it was planned. You also compared it to the move that Eve and I did in Hungarian 2. However, that only occurred because we were able to discuss it.

[Ame]

RCE, regarding 565, I don't quite understand the first line. Regarding the second line, what points do you interpret as me scumreading you for but townreading Isis for? The third line is incorrect. I didn't consider your view on Isis when determining my read.

[Ame]

Shiki, what final three are you referring to that Isis and I prearranged? Also, partner!Ame wouldn't ignore Isis' hammer. It would look too partnery. Scum!Ame here deliberately ignores it in order to increase Isis + Ame team equity.

[Ame]

RCE, I don't scumread you because you are pushing town. That was just one of three reasons to lynch you (the other two being an admission of not being able to provide value and uhm, I forgot the other one).

Shiki, I see, thank you.

[Ame]

Isis, you could always ask me what it was. I don't think most selfvotes can be scummy statistically since what is scummy is subjective. However, most non-hammer self-votes coming from scum is something I would need to see data on.

[Ame]

RCE, I scum read you for the reasoning you used to justify your Isis vote. I believe it is insincere and that you were arguing for the sake of being technically correct despite the fact that your perspective required a bad-faith interpretation of Isis' statement. This indicates that you are not so much interested in Isis' alignment as you are in maintaining a consistent narrative.

[Ame]

To be more specific, RCE, before that you were only an exploratory scum lean. It was at that point that I began to fully scum read you.

[Ame]

Isis, I suspect that your view of Cosmic is based on speculative and circumstantial ideas. I think it is apt to prioritize the content that Esper has provided, especially since it is overwhelmingly alignment indicative.

[Ame]

RCE, I do not believe it is ironic. I have reevaluated most of my scum leans and some of them rather quickly (indicating that maintaining a narrative was not a priority). For example, S_S became a town lean after his response to my initial case. Isis has become a town read. I still have suspicions of Ico, but I am approaching him in good faith as he sufficiently countered my meta point. The reason why my read on you has not reversed is likely because you are simply mafia. You have not addressed the points I have made in a satisfactory manner as the others have. And you have demonstrated little effort in attempting to solve the game.

[Ame]

Isis could you remind me what QED means aside from quantum electrodynamics?

[Ame]

RCE, is your question addressed toward me? I don't think S_S had a wagon. That is my concern with this game. So long as we are using the multi-vote mechanic, there are no wagons because we don't know who really wants who to be lynched. But yes, I do think a minimum of 4 of the people voting him were town. And a maximum of 5. Again, however, this is not based on the wagon because there is no wagon to analyze. It is based on my independent read on each of the players who were voting.

[Ame]

Thanks, I remember now. Why is QEDing polarizing? Shouldn't it be the opposite since I am clearly laying out the steps for why he is scum?

[Ame]

RCE, yes it would change my view by necessity.

Isis, I see, thank you.

[Ame]

Shiki, the disunity among town is the fact that very few of us are aligned with our reads. There are too many directions pulling one another. Additionally, the multi-voting masks any sort of pattern or consensus (not to mention the strength of one's reads). Continuing to use it is anti-town and we are certain to lose if we continue playing this way. There is a reason why this is a 71% win for scum.

I have also not separated you from anyone. I am the only player who scum reads you. I am also in the process of reconsidering you. I anticipated that town!Shiki would suspect an Isis + Ame team due to the similarities in circumstance with Eve + Ame. I also must still look through your scum game. That being said, you stated earlier that me town reading you was my scum master plan, so it is concerning that my also not scum reading you is a part of my scum master plan.

My dejected response is due to not thinking Isis is scum. There is nothing to respond to. There was also no reaction from Iconeum (who had a read list with Isis town soon after) or Conspire. Unless you believe they are scum as well, your point is invalid.

[Ame]

Isis, I missed your question. I self-voted because it was the closest thing I could do to vent my frustration with the game without pulling a RobnovaSchnauzer. This frustration came to me after the realization of how anti-town the multi-voting mechanic is and its continual use by town players.


Also lol, I didn't anticipate you being aware of the lore behind Uzumi.

[Ame]

RCE, if you were to flip town my read on Shiki would not change as I scum read you independently. I would look again into Ico if you flip town. If Shiki flipped town as well, I would look into Mr. Pink.

[Ame]

Shiki, the thing is you have placed me in a position where you scum read me regardless of my actions. If I town read you it is because I want you to town read me. If I scum read you it is because I am scum pushing you.

Regarding your approach, I have no intention of voting you today, so please don't allow me to keep you from expanding your focus. Furthermore, since I could not have been aware of this, it could not have been intentional. You stated that you believe I sought to cause disunity among the town, so I do not see how this contributes to your argument.

[Ame]

RCE, I agree. You were asking me about a hypothetical scenario in which my reads were incorrect.

[Ame]

Isis, the dream I had of you during Purgatory was of us discussing her wiki article.

I also found out during that game that the kanji used to indicate goddess names, Ame, is the kanji for 'heaven,' which I thought was fun detail during my ascension.

Shiki, that makes a lot of sense (except for the nonsense about the propensity to make a mess of the game). I didn't intend to disrupt your play, but I can totally see your perspective.

[Ame]

Isis, yes, RCE is my strongest scum read.

[Ame]

[Ame]

Esper, I haven't looked at the meta yet, but I will later this week (presuming the deadline counter is incorrect and we have longer than just a few days). I didn't comment on the hammer because it didn't change my read on pops. And it didn't seem like something scum!pops would do.

[Ame]

What if your read on Hectic this game is mixed up because they've been RPing each other the whole time.

[Ame]

UNVOTE: rce
VOTE: Jake

Isis what is wotm?

[Ame]

ah

[Ame]

your signature is flipping hilarious

[Ame]

Let's just get the Jake slot out of the way. My only issue is that if scum kills Conspire, I don't think I have much of a chance surviving Day 3.

Day 3: Mr. Pink, Shiki, Isis, Ame, RCE, Ico

Mr. Pink, Shiki, RCE, and Ico will likely vote for me. Ico currently town reads me, but when the opportunity presents itself, I think they will take it.

So that leaves a MyLo with: Mr. Pink, Shiki,

Isis

, RCE, Ico

Isis is the only one I'm confident is town out of the group. Mr. Pink is rubbing me the wrong way recently as they don't seem to be adjusting their view to the cases/evidence presented. And based on their voting behavior this game, if they are in mylo and town^®, there's a good chance they vote the only person I think is town in the group.

Hm actually nevermind, lynching jake is almost a guaranteed loss.

UNVOTE: Jake
VOTE: RCE

Day 3: Mr. Pink, Shiki, Isis, Ame, Jake, Ico

This is better as we'll have both RCE's flip and Conspire's. Isis' conspire paranoia is out of the way. If RCE flips red, I am spewed. And we have two chances for hitting the last scum. If RCE flips town, I still look bad, but it would help adjust my reads and I think I have a better chance of convincing a Jake + Isis group.

[Ame]

Oh I forgot I wasn't voting RCE so that I could hammer

[Ame]

Which one?

[Ame]

If 681, I wasn't voting him. If before that it was during my self-vote. I left it off so I could hammer.

[Ame]

If you mean why did I intend to in 681 (as I thought I was voting), because Conspire's paranoia of Jake and your preoccupation with him provoked an impulse to just get rid of him. Then I realized we lose going that route. And despite the fact that it causes you to have an increase in Jake + Ame suspicion, I can't support it.

[Ame]

I just realized I broke my playstyle parameters.

[Ame]

oh stop it you're drunk

[Ame]

Because that's when you're affectionate

[Ame]

Hammer RCE Shiki or Isis PLEASE

[Ame]

4 players being at L-1 is actually kind of amusing

[Ame]

Shiki, if you're town I'm on your side. Please

eliminate

him

[Ame]

Isis, you need a red flip to rid of your Ame paranoia. RCE will provide just that

[Ame]

I was a lot yesterday, but not atm

[Ame]

Esper, should I just vote Jake?

[Ame]

It..It wasn't supposed to be this way

[Ame]

So we lynch Jake today > he flips town.
We lynch Ico > he flips scum.
Mr. Pink kills Me or Conspire.
Me + Isis or Conspire + Isis lynch Mr. Pink for the win.

This was all a part of my plan guys.

[Ame]

Picks up Jake's knife and slashes off his ear.

VOTE: Jake

[Ame]

I had a whole post planned out for when Conspire died maybe I'll still do it

[Ame]

You can't blame me for this. If they hadn't of done, what I said not to do, they'd still be alive.

[Ame]

No. Listen pops. Listen. Ok. Look.

Listen: town Ame = bad reads. scum Ame = slightly better reads. This isn't scum ame. I wouldn't put myself out there for no reason. That kill was obviously meant to frame me. Look, you're whole theory is that I'm scum with Jake. We lynch Jake to disprove the theory. Then we lynch Ico who is scum.

[Ame]

your

[Ame]

Jake you aren't contributing so we have to lynch you. This is the only way we win. I've seen all possible futures. The RCE sacrifice was the only way. From there there was a 70% probability Conspire would flip town. Then I was going to come into today with a reversed read on Shiki and we were going to lynch Jake. Followed by Ico. Unfortunately, we are now in the position where Conspire could be scum. But still, this is the path forward because Ico is scum.

[Ame]

Listen pops I would never compliment you if I were scum. I avoid expressing admiration when I'm scum because I don't want people to think I'm manipulating them. Look at my last scum game, Hungarian 2. I was very cold because I really like Shiki and Farkran but I felt bad manipulating them so I kept a distance. I love you pops. I wouldn't use that to manipulate you.

[Ame]

Why is Mr Pink always putting Ico in his votes? It's because they are scum together. Me and you are just the mask.

[Ame]

See. It's obvious it was meant to frame us. We have to stick together. Conspire will town read me. With you, we can win this. We just need to get Jake out of the way so we'll have the numerical advantage and can lynch Ico.

[Ame]

@Ame; where does this confidence of Jake flipping town come from? I struggle to see him flipping town.

The same place my confidence on RCE flipping scum came from: the Dunning-Kruger effect. I just struggle to see scum not efforting at all. But I suppose that could be a bias.

[Ame]

Conspire, that town read on me from my AtE seems way too MI. Especially if you thought I was scum overnight. Could it perhaps be that you have chosen to read me as so because I am so willingly aligning myself with you? This is rhetorical. Your reasoning for scum reading Jake also seems quite superficial. And your reasoning for excluding Isis and Ame as partners with him seems quite forced and unreasonable:

Also, I think this makes Isis/Ame more town if Jake flips scum. If Jake's scum with one of Isis/Ame, I think he's more likely to just put RCEnigma alone on L-1. Putting exactly the two town of those 3 on L-1, but not his scum buddy would look sus, and putting everyone on L-1 if he's scum with one of them is risky for obvious reasons; both scum are then on L-1.

[Ame]

What is the town tell?

[Ame]

I don't think Conspire is town anymore.

[Ame]

But you were so sure that you thought they would be shot
you're all over the place

And?

[Ame]

VOTE: Conspire

[Ame]

Unless someone takes me off L-1, Conspire will probably hammer me.

[Ame]

Alternatively, if Isis and Ico are both here, we can lynch them (Conspire).

[Ame]

Where do you get the impression that I would lynch Isis?

[Ame]

No, Ico I ignored you in the previous games as well. HBE in particular. I don't enjoy 1 v 1 ing with you because of the scum-regardless-of-responses nature of your pushes. There is no response I could give that would change your read, so I find it a waste of energy.

[Ame]

Ame, you went from townlocking us overnight to now wanting to lynch us??? Could you answer my questions please?

~Celestial

No. Unless you are Kanna, then yes.

[Ame]

i thought you were talking to conspire to lynch isi and me

I was trying to clear the ambiguity of using the plural pronoun as a singular, but it just made it more ambiguous heh

[Ame]

Ame, are you mad at me at something?

I'm not sure.

UNVOTE: Conspire

[Ame]

My reasoning for not answering your questions is similar to why I haven't responded to Ico. As scum, Hectic is very good at asking an overwhelming barrage of questions that I can use to spin and justify his change in read. With Kanna, I think I can get a better feel for if she is being fair or not.

[Ame]

that he can use*

[Ame]

OK Conspire & Isis I can do that.

[Ame]

Just these two actually:

And your reasoning for excluding Isis and Ame as partners with him seems quite forced and unreasonable:

1) Could you explain why? Also, what made you think I was excluding over considering it a factor?

2) You were alarmed by my reasons for townreading you. Do you disagree with my reasoning for the emotional read, and why if so? I expanded on it in 751.

~Celestial

1

It's a last ditch "put 3 people on L-1 as a last act of survivalalism". Also, I think this makes Isis/Ame more town if Jake flips scum. If Jake's scum with one of Isis/Ame, I think he's more likely to just put RCEnigma alone on L-1. Putting exactly the two town of those 3 on L-1, but not his scum buddy would look sus, and putting everyone on L-1 if he's scum with one of them is risky for obvious reasons; both scum are then on L-1.

If Isis or Ame was Jake's partner, putting them at L-1 wouldn't be risky since they could just hammer one of the other people at L-1. Additionally, if he felt he was going down, it would make sense to anti-spew there. I am not using the word 'excluding' in the hard sense. I am using it in the sense that it is synonymous with 'considering it a factor.'

2

I do disagree with the reasoning for the emotional read. That series of posts was out of character with anything I've presented thus far on this site. I haven't posted that way as either town or scum. If you thought I was scum over the night, it doesn't make sense to me that that alone was enough to reverse your read.

[Ame]

on 1, that doesn't take into account that scum!Isis or Ame would look terrible for hammering the other over Jake, since it wouldn't be consistent with their earlier reads.

But not RCE is what I mean. There was no danger because we could just hammer RCE. Additionally the anti-spew thing. I think you and Isis' explanation for #2 make sense.

[Ame]

Isis, are you going to hammer?

[Ame]

We don't enter the night phase

[Ame]

Here you go Pink: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Unlimited

[Ame]

Did you not realize we had a double day D1 and D2?

[Ame]

I think this is a town slip. And I think it is genuine. I think Pink is town.

[Ame]

I am now even more curious to see Jake's flip.

[Ame]

ameameameameameameame

Spoiler:

[Ame]

I'm glad! I thought my playstyle D1 may have been offputting.

[Ame]

I'm glad! I thought my playstyle D1 may have been offputting.

[Ame]

I'm curious how I would have read you had you remained anonymous!

[Ame]

Why not just hammer Jake, Mr Pink?

[Ame]

They didn't need to set him up. They had me to do all the dirty work.

[Ame]

Icy

[Ame]

VOTE: Iconeum

[Ame]

You think Conspire is town.
You think Mr Pink is not scum with Jake because he won't hammer
You think I am not scum with Jake.
You think Ico is town.

I don't really see many remaining options for your solve.

[Ame]

Lol

[Ame]

Why so

[Ame]

Really though, why?

[Ame]

Also ilu2 :3

[Ame]

Can you elaborate on the VCA and why you think Iconeum is town?

[Ame]

I fully intended to reverse my stance on Shiki today.

If mislynching was a scum tell and Jake is town, then you and I have equal scum equity, considering you'd be responsible for he and S_S's deaths.

I would be very surprised if you are scum and give up entirely on trying to read you in the future.

I doubt Iconeum is town.

[Ame]

The second line is an attempt at the logic you asked for. It shows that your reasoning for scum reading me, VCA, is invalid. By your reasoning, you would be scum. Since you know you are not scum, your reasoning is invalid and you must seek another way to read me.

Or is it that you meant the third line?

[Ame]

When you get the chance, I'm still interested in where your town read is coming from.

[Ame]

When you get the chance, I'm still interested in where your town read is coming from.

Asking about Ico, yes.

[Ame]

i didnt say i tr ico it's still one of my top srs

I'm asking pops.

[Ame]

It's day 4 and it's lylo

[Ame]

Could you unvote me Ico? I actually would like to discuss.

[Ame]

If it is Pink and Conspire we don't have much time so it would be apt to do so as soon as possible. I don't get why you voted me when we have 10 days left. I would like to actually review everything and try to come up with a legitimate solve.

[Ame]

if ame is town
i will be a little disappointed in him
if she's scum
it will be o.k.

Why so?

[Ame]

If I'm not hammered, I'll get to this within the next few days. I took on too many projects and I'm cognitively exhausted.

[Ame]

Scum securing his position while he waits for Pink.

[Ame]

Is that an answer to my question?

[Ame]

To be specific why would you be disappointed if I am town? What about my play do you think wouldn't come from town me?

[Ame]

Ico!

[Ame]

Please unvote. I'll be back within the next couple of days to actually engage with you on everything.

[Ame]

lol thank you that gif is wonderful

[Ame]

Isis, your inability to substantiate your scum read is concerning

Spoiler: Ico don't read

Prediction: Ico calls out my post as being hypocritical

[Ame]

you've only pushed town all game?

I've already dismantled this, however. It is an irrational way to read someone as applying the reasoning to yourself would indicate you are scum. You have pushed exactly the same number of town players as I have. Please state why you believe it is scum indicative for me considering my accuracy in previous games?

[Ame]

Ico, I can substantiate it. I just don't have the cognitive energy to do so right now. I said I will engage with you within the next couple of days. If you are town, there is no reason for you to vote when we have 9 days to go. Let us talk it through to see if we can come to an understanding between each other first.

[Ame]

Yes, I'm not calling you scum. I addressing the irrationality of your feelings.

[Ame]

+'m

[Ame]

If anything, Ico voting this early in lylo when I've promised engagement is probably the scummiest move this game. Especially considering how much thought he put into the lylo with Micc and Mena(?) as town.

[Ame]

Ico pls to unvote

she didn't get lynched overnight so i'm also curious to see what you think of that

Mr P hasn't been online and scum cannot coordinate through scum chat. If you're town and leave your vote on me again, it's very likely scum will be able to hammer.

[Ame]

I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ANYONE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT READS FOR LITERALLY DAYS

Yep, and I've explained that. Your actions are not town.

[Ame]

It doesn't mean anything until all of you Isis and Mr p are here

[Ame]

But most likely Ico is just scum and was banking on Isis to quick follow his vote.

[Ame]

Mostly. It depends on if you guys don't feel it's safe to vote while Ico is online.

[Ame]

But most likely Ico is just scum and was banking on Isis to quick follow his vote.

Likely because of how Isis has been voicing the desire to sheep him:

i guess it's possible i could pick pink over ame on greenflip here

but mostly
i want dragon to make my life decdisions for me

DRAGON HELP ME

[Ame]

But most likely Ico is just scum and was banking on Isis to quick follow his vote.

ur here

ur posting

stop stalling

It's hard to explain, but some things just take a lot of cognitive effort for me. Doing little comments like this doesn't.

[Ame]

I genuinely will be able to explain my town read of you to your satisfaction if you just give me the time.

[Ame]

I'm going to laugh if Ico's 20 really was a slip

[Ame]

Can't you wait a few days pink?

[Ame]

I will be able to dive into this today!