Micro 939 - Zoey's Extraordinary Mafia - Game over

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #215 (isolation #0) » Tue May 19, 2020 6:11 am

Hey guys! I'll catch up on this tonight! Nice to see the familiar names.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #235 (isolation #1) » Tue May 19, 2020 4:10 pm

alright I'm too tired now lol see you tomorrow

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #236 (isolation #2) » Tue May 19, 2020 4:11 pm

UNVOTE:

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #279 (isolation #3) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:04 am

In post 76, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 66, Fenraiser wrote:If you don't think Maria's wagon is a serious wagon, why did you vote and maintain a vote on Maria in the first place? In addition, what do you think you being a counterwagon to Maria means about her alignment and the people on your wagons? I can see some villagery reaction in the first quote but I haven't seen you elaborate on it so I'm sceptical of your villageryness.
I was bored and this game was really slow so I just wanted a wagon on someone to start up activity. I think I actually managed to get the game active again, since knightmare voted maria after me and afterwards both maria and ceejay voted for me, meaning we basically have competing wagons.

I think I’ve already said that out of the people on my wagon, I like ceejay for scum. I elaborated in 53. Basically I think ceejay’s vote is the most opportunistic given he’s 3rd on the wagon. Kmd wasn’t an opportunistic vote although I disagree that his reason for voting me is valid; and maria I actually think may be town based on gut. Do you have a specific question about my line of thought that hasn’t been answered?

Lilith is town for this post.

I like kmd's vote on knight.

In post 164, Knightmare491 wrote:
In post 130, farside22 wrote:(2) MariaR -lilith, Knightmare

In post 144, lilith2013 wrote:Currently thinking scum is in {knightmare, cakes, ceejay}
Why keep your vote on maria then?

Weird post from Knightmare.

Flavor I also think is town.

In post 255, Something_Smart wrote:But that's silly. Of course scum would do that if they thought town-them would be unhappy with the activity level.

In post 256, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ugh. This is also silly in a way that you could just say scum could emulate every townie behavior I point out. This is wifomy stuff I don't want to fall into.

I like something_smart, and ceejay comes off worse here.

Fenraser also scummy.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #280 (isolation #4) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:05 am

[Knightmare, ceejay, fenraser] is who I think we should vote today.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #281 (isolation #5) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:05 am

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #284 (isolation #6) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:11 am

In post 282, Something_Smart wrote:Odd coincidence that that list is the three newest and least experienced players in the game.

You realize that to me, you're all new and inexperienced, right? I don't discriminate between 1 year or 4, you're all younglings wet behind the ears

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #285 (isolation #7) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:12 am

Class of 2015, who were your ICs and SEs?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #287 (isolation #8) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:14 am

Kmd is the only vet here, and we happen to agree on our reads. Perhaps it is you who is too new to see what our wise eyes have shown us?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #290 (isolation #9) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:20 am

In post 288, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 285, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Class of 2015, who were your ICs and SEs?
I only played from the start in one newbie game, and it was a shitshow. SE slots were JasonWazza and Smudger/The_Jester/imkingdavid and the IC was notscience/Drixx.

I do find similarities between you and Drixx. Makes sense.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #291 (isolation #10) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:21 am

In post 289, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 287, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Kmd is the only vet here, and we happen to agree on our reads. Perhaps it is you who is too new to see what our wise eyes have shown us?
Possibly, but newer players get lynched very frequently, even in games with veterans, and the odds that it's just a coincidence that your readlist has all the newest players at the bottom are pretty low.

I'm not townreading cakez.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #295 (isolation #11) » Wed May 20, 2020 6:25 am

Hi Lilith

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #296 (isolation #12) » Wed May 20, 2020 6:25 am

so the best and the worst of mafiascum then.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #300 (isolation #13) » Wed May 20, 2020 6:28 am

In post 297, lilith2013 wrote:hi ABR...

Who are you calling worst vs best?

BBT and Nacho are the best town and scum respectively.

In post 299, lilith2013 wrote:What’s your read on cakes, you didn’t mention him in your catchup

Cakes is more scum than town.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #301 (isolation #14) » Wed May 20, 2020 6:29 am

i mean Nacho = best town
BBT = best scum

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #308 (isolation #15) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:07 am

In post 305, Knightmare491 wrote:
In post 279, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Weird post from Knightmare.
?
Why is it weird to ask someone as to why they aren't voting one of their scum reads?

Seems manipulative.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #309 (isolation #16) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:08 am

In post 303, lilith2013 wrote:@ABR
In post 298, lilith2013 wrote:Also what does this have to do with anything

I want to know early influences and impressions.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #318 (isolation #17) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:17 am

You were trained by the two best and the worst trash player I ever saw. Anyway, it's irrelevent.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #319 (isolation #18) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:18 am

VOTE: Knightmare

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #321 (isolation #19) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:22 am

In post 320, lilith2013 wrote:Why ask the question in the first place then?

Why so serious?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #324 (isolation #20) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:35 am

in the sense that not every post has to be relevent

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #325 (isolation #21) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:35 am

did you trust me in partition?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #328 (isolation #22) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:46 am

In post 326, lilith2013 wrote:I wasn't scumreading you.

I asked if you trusted me. I was a big factor during day 1.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #330 (isolation #23) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 am

In post 329, lilith2013 wrote:not particularly.

Well look how it turned out.

Did you trust me in Bloodborne or in Shadowrun?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #333 (isolation #24) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:11 am

In post 331, lilith2013 wrote:Weren’t you scum in one of those games?

Anyway, it’s a different vibe altogether. Playing with town!ABR usually results in frustration with your reads. This is more like, ABR agreeing with and townreading me is too good to be true.

Relax, it's not your good looks, I just happen to agree with you. Let it go.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #362 (isolation #25) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:05 am

In post 356, Flavor Leaf wrote:ScumMe would hard abuse ABR’s comments, and I would just comment shade stuff in my Scum PT.

?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #364 (isolation #26) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:07 am

what would you say?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #367 (isolation #27) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:10 am

VOTE: Sircakez

Let's vote cakez.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #368 (isolation #28) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:13 am

What was your previous account name?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #369 (isolation #29) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 am

Knightmare got mislynched day 1 under deadline in guns and roses, he might be scum here, I agree with you, but I rather lynch stronger scum.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #371 (isolation #30) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:44 am

Well I certainly didn't vote for you. Things got fucked up.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #376 (isolation #31) » Thu May 21, 2020 5:49 am

In post 373, lilith2013 wrote:@ABR
In post 335, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 279, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I like kmd's vote on knight.
It was a reaction test vote, why did you like it?

I was thinking of voting Knightmare when I got to that post too.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #377 (isolation #32) » Thu May 21, 2020 5:50 am

Who do you think is scum besides Knightmare?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #383 (isolation #33) » Thu May 21, 2020 6:57 am

In post 380, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 377, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Who do you think is scum besides Knightmare?
{knightmare, ceejay, cakes} is still my lowest tier

And Fenraser?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #386 (isolation #34) » Thu May 21, 2020 7:04 am

In post 384, lilith2013 wrote:No

Town? Why?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #406 (isolation #35) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:51 pm

How good are you to read Lilith correctly?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #419 (isolation #36) » Fri May 22, 2020 4:56 am

There is no why or how... take it or leave it

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #420 (isolation #37) » Fri May 22, 2020 4:57 am

so weird that's what you focus on after being gone 48h.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #427 (isolation #38) » Fri May 22, 2020 11:02 am

Yeah, Kmd is another slot that's hard to read. The problem is that he hasn't done anything I find alignment indicative. Cakez, I'm okay about but I'm not about to call the game on it, I am often just as wrong about him than he is about me.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #428 (isolation #39) » Fri May 22, 2020 11:07 am

I feel like one of fenraser/cakez has to be scum, and then the last one is someone no one expects. Maybe ceejay/something smart.

Flavor, have we played before? Where did you get out of a guilty and win as scum? How could that happen?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #431 (isolation #40) » Fri May 22, 2020 11:32 am

Would you be open to lynching fenraser instead of cakez?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #432 (isolation #41) » Fri May 22, 2020 11:43 am

In post 262, Fenraiser wrote:On an unrelated note, it's kinda funny that I haven't moved my vote at all today.

Like wtf is this post?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #434 (isolation #42) » Fri May 22, 2020 11:49 am

Why are you not doing anything and proud of it?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #436 (isolation #43) » Fri May 22, 2020 11:52 am

In post 65, Fenraiser wrote:
In post 63, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 47, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 40, ceejayvinoya wrote:You could have tried to promote discussion, rather than shooting it down like this.
I could say the same to you.

Fenraiser writes a fairly lengthy two paragraphs and the conclusion for both of those is “I have no stance on either of the people I am writing about.” You don’t think that’s suspicious?
Now that you say it, that's kind of true actually. I just wish you noted that then. Any response to this @fenraiser?
So the argument is that I'm fencesitty on people despite posting a lot about them so that's suspicious. That would be fair if there was more content beforehand than rvs and bah posts. I'm just getting started in here.

A week passed since this post, and you're still "fencesitting despite posting a lot about them". Nothing has changed, like you just decided that was what you were gonna do to kill time day 1.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #456 (isolation #44) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:27 am

Last day guys. Who do you want? We have to decide now. Is ceejay a consensus POE?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #457 (isolation #45) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:27 am

Knightmare youre still voting FL not ceejay.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #460 (isolation #46) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:32 am

VOTE: CJ

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #461 (isolation #47) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:40 am

19 hours left guys. Vote ceejay!

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #478 (isolation #48) » Sat May 23, 2020 7:32 am

In post 466, clidd wrote:
In post 456, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Last day guys. Who do you want? We have to decide now. Is ceejay a consensus POE?
Hey Albert, can we talk about that ? I would like to give my opinions before the consensus. I think it is more beneficial if we work together on this game.

Hi clidd, welcome to the game.

Yes we can talk, I can't summarize the game for you now but I'm on if you have any questions about the game.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #480 (isolation #49) » Sat May 23, 2020 8:28 am

I think he's just saying its NAI.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #481 (isolation #50) » Sat May 23, 2020 8:29 am

cakez is your pool fen/lilith/knight right now?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #484 (isolation #51) » Sat May 23, 2020 9:28 am

In post 483, Flavor Leaf wrote:One scum is on Clidd right now, even if Clidd slot is scum

Why aren't you voting Clidd?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #486 (isolation #52) » Sat May 23, 2020 9:38 am

In post 485, clidd wrote:
In post 478, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 466, clidd wrote:
In post 456, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Last day guys. Who do you want? We have to decide now. Is ceejay a consensus POE?
Hey Albert, can we talk about that ? I would like to give my opinions before the consensus. I think it is more beneficial if we work together on this game.
Hi clidd, welcome to the game.

Yes we can talk, I can't summarize the game for you now but I'm on if you have any questions about the game.
Two questions:

- How are we approaching the deadline limit without consolidating into a lynch yet ?

- Why does Ceejay fit into a PoE consensus ?

Because most of this town is sleeping and have not changed their votes for the majority of this game. CJ was scummy and I think the majority agrees. Personally, I thought his interactions with S_S were off, and then he replaced out when he was under pressure.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #488 (isolation #53) » Sat May 23, 2020 9:44 am

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of too. I need to do some stuff, I'll be back in an hour and decide.

UNVOTE:

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #506 (isolation #54) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:06 am

VOTE: Sircakez

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #512 (isolation #55) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:43 am

In post 509, clidd wrote:Albert, I need you to answer 494.

Look at all of page 11 for SS>CJ.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #515 (isolation #56) » Sat May 23, 2020 11:56 am

In post 499, lilith2013 wrote:I know the wagon has basically disappeared and we need to consolidate but I’m starting to scumread Flavorleaf. It seems like people are no longer interested in lynching there, so I don’t mind compromising somewhere else and revisiting FL on D2. At this point I’d basically lynch anyone outside of SS and Knightmare.

Are you aware that you're voting Knightmare?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #562 (isolation #57) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:20 pm

Cakez should be more aggressive and sure of himself than this.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #566 (isolation #58) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:25 pm

"kinda all over the place"
"I reallllly need a flip here"
"I never ask for deadline extension"

This hits all the checkmarks for what you should say if you need to wait for a look at which way the wind will blow before acting.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #570 (isolation #59) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:32 pm

In post 567, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 566, Albert B. Rampage wrote:"kinda all over the place"
"I reallllly need a flip here"
"I never ask for deadline extension"

This hits all the checkmarks for what you should say if you need to wait for a look at which way the wind will blow before acting.
Wouldn't this only make sense if ceejay is his partner? Otherwise why wouldn't he just push a ceejay deadline lynch?

An abundance of cautiousness?

It bothers me cakez is the only player that seems to agree with me on Fen and Knight. The more he calls me town the less I want to lynch him too lol

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #572 (isolation #60) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:36 pm

Clidd who's better at scum, you or FL?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #576 (isolation #61) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:38 pm

Knightmare never got as far as ceejay.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #577 (isolation #62) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:39 pm

In post 575, clidd wrote:
In post 572, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Clidd who's better at scum, you or FL?
Definitely FL, he has a title to support that.

If you joined in January shouldn't matter

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #578 (isolation #63) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:41 pm

What was the game he mentioned about you when you subbed in? Something happened?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #579 (isolation #64) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:43 pm

Lilith any prior xp with FL? Is he better than clidd?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #581 (isolation #65) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:46 pm

What about a clidd+FL scumteam?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #585 (isolation #66) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:51 pm

In post 582, clidd wrote:
In post 578, Albert B. Rampage wrote:What was the game he mentioned about you when you subbed in? Something happened?
I prefer not to comment on that.

You're gonna make me look through your games....?

This isn't your scum PT that you can just ask shadd to delete your posts afterwards, your post history is permanent. I'm lazy and you know I'll find it, just give me the name of the game lol

In post 583, lilith2013 wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:What about a clidd+FL scumteam?
Not out of the realm of possibility

In post 483, Flavor Leaf wrote:One scum is on Clidd right now, even if Clidd slot is scum
Like there was no follow-up to this

FL? Explain please

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #586 (isolation #67) » Sat May 23, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 518, SirCakez wrote:why answer for him?

Because he sure as hell wasn't scumreading me because I said I don't know how to read you. Are you just asking questions to ask questions?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #588 (isolation #68) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:02 pm

In post 479, SirCakez wrote:
In post 475, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 447, SirCakez wrote:I don't think ABR makes this post as scum
I don't agree.
Do tell

In post 518, SirCakez wrote:
In post 480, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think he's just saying its NAI.
why answer for him?

What is there to tell here? This isn't scumhunting.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #589 (isolation #69) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:04 pm

Cakez, I think either you're lazy or you're dressing up your iso to look like scumhunting. Why are Fen/Knight scummy to you? Besides being "decent routes to explore", do you have anything concrete?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #590 (isolation #70) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:18 pm

In post 587, clidd wrote:It's not a very pleasant read and I really don't want to touch on this subject matter. There is a personal context to it.

The name is mini 2126, if you are interested.

My takeaway from this game is that you have no idea how to read FL, and FL can't spot when S_S is scum. I hope that's about right for 13-player 225 page game.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #614 (isolation #71) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:43 pm

Fenraser, S_S and FL just came and went without fucking voting, and everyone else didnt change their vote smh

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #617 (isolation #72) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:44 pm

Fuck it I'm doing this.

VOTE: Fenraser

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #625 (isolation #73) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:46 pm

Its BS. Lynch the fuck outta these useless slots today

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #627 (isolation #74) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:47 pm

day 2 is gonna drag to deadline again with all the fencesitting bullshit, no thanks.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #631 (isolation #75) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:49 pm

i'm not voting for cakez today. Clidd its you or Fen you choose

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #635 (isolation #76) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 632, Kmd4390 wrote:Is fen the only lynch we can get or is close a possibility? Clidd is also here to claim if needed. I'd hate to lunch fen without a claim and find out we lynched our best power role or something

Knightmare

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #645 (isolation #77) » Sat May 23, 2020 5:08 pm

In post 644, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 590, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 587, clidd wrote:It's not a very pleasant read and I really don't want to touch on this subject matter. There is a personal context to it.

The name is mini 2126, if you are interested.
My takeaway from this game is that you have no idea how to read FL, and FL can't spot when S_S is scum. I hope that's about right for 13-player 225 page game.
I’m actually probably the best person at reading SS and he knows it. I’m not confident, because it’s day 1 and he hasn’t posted directly with me too much

We have more urgent matters right now btw

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #647 (isolation #78) » Sat May 23, 2020 5:12 pm

we are on eastern time zone FL.

5 minutes. then i go sleep.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #652 (isolation #79) » Sat May 23, 2020 5:17 pm

we're actually doing Fen? about damn time

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #653 (isolation #80) » Sat May 23, 2020 5:18 pm

I'm out. See you boys on day 2 or in the dead chat

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #880 (isolation #81) » Tue May 26, 2020 1:24 am

In post 878, Kmd4390 wrote:
Vote clidd

Knight, check the PT.

How did you get into a PT with Knight?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #884 (isolation #82) » Tue May 26, 2020 2:52 am

So Lilith thought she was protecting the vig and died BGing FL from the vig.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #885 (isolation #83) » Tue May 26, 2020 2:55 am

I'm assuming she intended to protect SS and switched due to the fakeclaim at deadline... FL, full claim please.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #887 (isolation #84) » Tue May 26, 2020 3:44 am

Don't say anything. FL should be the first to claim before anything else is revealed. RIP Lilith... you really shouldn't have deviated from your plan last night.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #889 (isolation #85) » Tue May 26, 2020 6:55 am

You're right kmd I got the order of events wrong

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #890 (isolation #86) » Tue May 26, 2020 6:58 am

It's hard to imagine her deciding not to protect SS. So FL survived from something else or SS is gambitting.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #891 (isolation #87) » Tue May 26, 2020 7:28 am

Boons why were you speculating on a scum doctor yesterday?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #899 (isolation #88) » Tue May 26, 2020 10:03 am

I thought you were serious. The kmd PT talk gave me flashbacks of jigsaw mafia with everybody in a PT. So back to my question...whats the deal with the PT?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #927 (isolation #89) » Tue May 26, 2020 12:30 pm

I think it's FL with Knightmare as scumbuddy.

The last-minute save of clidd yesterday under deadline makes me think that FL is trying to pocket clidd after saving him from lilith yesterday who preferred lynching clidd over fen.

FL actually attacked ceejay/knightmare all of day 1, but it's ceejay that he voted for most of the day, then completely reversed this read during the deadline scramble.

Then there's two interactions with knightmare that are over the top, FL asking for 1v1 with Knight with 2 votes on FL, and saying he will vig knightmare. It's flamboyant, it suits the over-the-top personality of an actor, and looks like what we refer to on mafiascum, scum theater.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #928 (isolation #90) » Tue May 26, 2020 12:32 pm

In post 926, Something_Smart wrote:I think ABR is scum, this seems to be an unpopular opinion and I expressed it yesterday and possibly ate a bullet after doing so. Something to think about.

bruh

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #929 (isolation #91) » Tue May 26, 2020 12:37 pm

I had an early townread on kmd on day 1 for his vote on knightmare at the same point that I was starting to suspect knightmare in my read, but his vote was just a reaction test so that's no longer valid. kmd was sort of pushing ceejay over knightmare and knightmare never looked to worried all of day 1 from pressure from me, FL or Lilith. The other possibility is with cakez. kmd mainly focused on Lilith while cakez on fenraser, and they ran completely on parallel but separate tracks until deadline where they finally joined, so I don't discount those two.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #930 (isolation #92) » Tue May 26, 2020 12:49 pm

It could also be the scum "dream team" scenario of clidd/FL, but the odds of that are significantly lower.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #933 (isolation #93) » Tue May 26, 2020 1:10 pm

It's relevant but I don't know how else to say this, I'm too valuable to this town to lose today SS. How did the mod confuse you?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #934 (isolation #94) » Tue May 26, 2020 1:18 pm

You mean this VC? viewtopic.php?p=11843684#p11843684

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #936 (isolation #95) » Tue May 26, 2020 1:35 pm

In post 935, SirCakez wrote:
In post 926, Something_Smart wrote:I think ABR is scum, this seems to be an unpopular opinion and I expressed it yesterday and possibly ate a bullet after doing so. Something to think about.
Maybe. He could be w/kmd, his FL push is weird.

I am not interested in a FL lynch today btw

What part of it do you disagree with?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #940 (isolation #96) » Tue May 26, 2020 2:27 pm

Can you walk me through why you think that makes FL more likely to be town?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #942 (isolation #97) » Tue May 26, 2020 2:34 pm

In post 941, Something_Smart wrote:Speaking from my own experience as a mod, it's easier to remember whether a particular thing happened to scum or town than to remember who specifically it was, or what their role is, etc. If FL is scum, farside was probably cognizant of the fact that scum was hammering a deadline wagon on the unclaimed cop, and that makes that error unlikely.

I thought farside counted the votes, locked the thread, and flipped fen all in one go. There isn't any remembering to be done, not like she PM'd a night action to the wrong player or something.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #944 (isolation #98) » Tue May 26, 2020 3:07 pm

In post 937, clidd wrote:
In post 927, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think it's FL with Knightmare as scumbuddy.

The last-minute save of clidd yesterday under deadline makes me think that FL is trying to pocket clidd after saving him from lilith yesterday who preferred lynching clidd over fen.

FL actually attacked ceejay/knightmare all of day 1, but it's ceejay that he voted for most of the day, then completely reversed this read during the deadline scramble.

Then there's two interactions with knightmare that are over the top, FL asking for 1v1 with Knight with 2 votes on FL, and saying he will vig knightmare. It's flamboyant, it suits the over-the-top personality of an actor, and looks like what we refer to on mafiascum, scum theater.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
The problem in your FL + Knight theory is to think that Scum!FL would have more benefit by risking the chance of free ML on two towns using the pretext of gaining my trust. The other points of him attacking Ceejay/Knight and acting like an actor seem circumstantial to infer Scum!FL as something concrete. In comparison, Kmd lynch is more likely to hit scum than FL lynch.

FL did 2 theatric things in this game and they both happen to be about Knightmare.

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In post 943, Something_Smart wrote:I mean she clearly must have done SOMETHING from memory, or she wouldn't have gotten it wrong.

You and FL are both rising in notoriety for your scum play and have the same level of experience, that's something kmd said day 1. That's probably why farside mixed you up. I don't see it as alignment-indicative as in "these 2 players are interchangeable hammer votes because they are both town". More like "SS reminds me of FL".

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #945 (isolation #99) » Tue May 26, 2020 3:09 pm

In post 334, Kmd4390 wrote:I'd also say from past experience flavor leaf and something_smart have grown as players despite being newer players.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #950 (isolation #100) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:29 pm

Maybe I'm wrong.

UNVOTE:

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #959 (isolation #101) » Wed May 27, 2020 8:17 am

Welcome!

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #961 (isolation #102) » Wed May 27, 2020 9:31 am

The player list is like the time Kevin Hart had dinner with Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, Christ Tucker, Eddie Murphy and Usher

Albert B. Rampage · Wed May 27, 2020 11:54 am

Congrats FL! What are you gonna mid this summer?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #981 (isolation #104) » Thu May 28, 2020 3:58 am

FL, can you explain what your plan was day 1 please?

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 12:31 pm

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

The double post is reword is a scumslip.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 12:32 pm

In post 984, Something_Smart wrote:ABR, why did you scumread Fenraiser?

I didn't trust the resistance to his bandwagon.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 12:35 pm

In post 1024, Something_Smart wrote:So your default state is to want to wagon everyone unless given a reason not to?

Bandwagon = information. I take my share of blame for yesterday but it would never have ended like it did if we had more players willing to bandwagon.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 12:38 pm

In post 1025, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1022, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf

The double post is reword is a scumslip.
I don't see why, the two posts say essentially the same thing

Scum will edit their posts to be more contained. The first draft is more radical, then the final post is less exaggerated.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 12:41 pm

In post 1029, Something_Smart wrote:That reasoning obviously can't be extended to say that lynching anybody is good @ABR. Did you not want to lynch Fenraiser?

He was a mystery slot nobody wanted to push outside of cakez and I. Bandwagonning, voting and being flexible with switching votes to someone who already has votes is different from lynching.

In post 1030, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1028, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Scum will edit their posts to be more contained.
And town won't?

Town shouldn't care about managing the way they are perceived.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:16 pm

I don't remember any post from lilith locktowning you dude.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:23 pm

In post 1043, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1041, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't remember any post from lilith locktowning you dude.
makes sense. You need her not to have.

End of Day Lillith was looking to me for everything, and with my Vig claim, of course she was bodyguarding me.

But shooting Night 1 is so 2018

I don't think it's likely that she decides to protect you and then makes her last post crumbing protection on SS. Where else have you fakeclaimed as town?

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:25 pm

In post 1043, Flavor Leaf wrote:makes sense. You need her not to have.

I don't understand

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:50 pm

In post 1048, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1045, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1043, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1041, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't remember any post from lilith locktowning you dude.
makes sense. You need her not to have.

End of Day Lillith was looking to me for everything, and with my Vig claim, of course she was bodyguarding me.

But shooting Night 1 is so 2018
I don't think it's likely that she decides to protect you and then makes her last post crumbing protection on SS. Where else have you fakeclaimed as town?
I fake claim in just about every one of my town games at one point or another, sometimes multiple times.

And yet, I still come off as obv town.

I don't fake claim as town, I true claim roles that aren't mine.

Also, you have no idea if I am a vig or not, and it's killing you. You are getting classic Third Degree Boon'd.

So you fakeclaim PR as town all the time, and everybody always buys it, and protect you, and scum are killing themselves because you're such a strong actor that they're also compelled to believe you, turning you into a lightning rod for all night actions...

Or the simple explanation is that your performance is third level WIFOM scum play.

In post 1053, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, look at the way ABR is so positive that I wasn't the night kill.

I have SS as town because it was pointed out to me that Lilith's SS breadcrump was in her 2nd to last post when I thought that it happened before your vig claim, I agree that she might have protected you if that was the case.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:53 pm

In post 885, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm assuming she intended to protect SS and switched due to the fakeclaim at deadline... FL, full claim please.

In post 888, Kmd4390 wrote:ABR why do you think something_smart wasn't lilliths target? Her crumb is one of the last posts she made

In post 889, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You're right kmd I got the order of events wrong

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 1057, Flavor Leaf wrote:@ABR - Third Level WIFOM *Town Play

Third Degree* WIFOM scum* play

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 1:56 pm

OK if I'm town, you still have kmd as scum no matter what, right? With cakez?

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 2:01 pm

I picked up a bad habit of getting into a lot of stupid battles with towns who thought they figured the solve on day 2 and turns out they have all been town and we wasted massive amounts of game time arguing. Sircakez knows about DonCorleone and BM.

You're fun to play with and I want to believe you but I don't right now.

Let me just sleep on it.

Albert B. Rampage · Thu May 28, 2020 3:11 pm

In post 1071, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1035, Flavor Leaf wrote:KMD and ABR are literally what's left. ABR has to take advantage of the situation here because KMD's going down, and he will fall shortly after.
Would you vote ABR first then?

Why are you so desperate to lynch me since yesterday? I don't understand your calculus. If FL is scum, I'm literally the last bulwark this town has to win. I'm the worst possible lynch today. I solved every game I've survived in except Jigsaw. Ask clidd. Ask sircakez. I fucking suck as scum.

Albert B. Rampage · Fri May 29, 2020 1:57 am

VOTE: kmd

Not confident on this but this is safer than FL I think.

Albert B. Rampage · Fri May 29, 2020 3:45 am

Kmd and porkens are in a hood.

Albert B. Rampage · Fri May 29, 2020 3:57 am

kmd claim please.

Albert B. Rampage · Fri May 29, 2020 7:44 am

My waifu!!!!! Help me <3

Albert B. Rampage · Fri May 29, 2020 2:22 pm

FL has to play a lot better to be scum than you do, so that makes you a safer lynch. I'm also taking into account the dynamics and game state.

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 7:00 am

I'm excited for part 2 MT!

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 11:33 am

@MT Fenraser was a deadline scramble, I was fine lynching clidd/fenraser and cakez was down to lynch him so I went with that. Nice catchup... except it's not me/kmd so try again my beloved wife. I'm not so sure porkens is town as everyone else seems to be, and this feels like a very dangerous game state.

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 11:38 am

In post 1126, Flavor Leaf wrote:@ABR - KMD flip helps us with Porkens, but you probably see that since you’re on KMD

Yeah kmd/porkens is also what I was thinking. Kmd preferred to lynch ceejay/clidd day 1 while FOSing knightmare/porkens.

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 11:40 am

In post 1127, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1106, Morning Tweet wrote:@Cakes do you still townread ABR? I can recall you mentioning this a couple times during D1 and im curious of what you think of him now
it's lessened now due to POE. The hood changes things, it can't just be KMD/Porkens.

FL won a game as scum claiming 3-man hood with his scumbuddies... it's not a bad idea if you're trying to get at least one scum to the finish line.

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 12:14 pm

Porkens did you start in a hood or were you neighborized?

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 12:25 pm

In post 1136, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1130, Albert B. Rampage wrote:FL won a game as scum claiming 3-man hood with his scumbuddies... it's not a bad idea if you're trying to get at least one scum to the finish line.
Except it kind of is when one scum flips not neighbor?

There you go.

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 12:29 pm

Alright, it feels like we're all aligned here. Wanna just hammer?

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 12:52 pm

How much time are you gonna take? I wanna check back in here for the flip lol

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 1:09 pm

In post 1144, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1139, Albert B. Rampage wrote:There you go.
How did you know that one of them was a neighborizer, rather than them just being neighbors?

Because neighborizer is always a superior claim to make as scum compared to neighbor.

In post 1123, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Clidd replacing out essentially confirms Clidd and I weren’t the scum team; that’s never a place where Clidd would replace out of I was his partner in the given gamestate.

No. Clidd replaced out of all his games at once. You didn't even care to check?

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 1:12 pm

In post 1148, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1147, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Because neighborizer is always a superior claim to make as scum compared to neighbor.
And? What if neighbors were their real role?

In post 1149, Something_Smart wrote:ABR you said you have strong solving skills as town. I believe that. You're not making any sense to me right now.

Explain

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 1:15 pm

I think they are scum, so why would I think that they started out in a hood? Why would they claim to have started in a hood? The only play is to claim neighborizer here, what's not making sense? It's you who doesn't make sense.

Albert B. Rampage · Sat May 30, 2020 1:18 pm

Neighborizer gives plausibe deniability. Don't go making assumptions and then say I'm the one that doesn't make sense.

Albert B. Rampage · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:38 am

I'm sort of glad SS is dead. Everyone massclaim?

Albert B. Rampage · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:43 am

Who do you want to claim next?

Albert B. Rampage · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:48 am

I'm a fruit vendor. Mo is the flavor. I sent you a song n1 and didn't send one last night. MT your turn.

Albert B. Rampage · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:24 pm

In post 1166, SirCakez wrote:It's prolly something dumb like ABR/Porkens

Don't play me like that cakez

Albert B. Rampage · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:32 pm

In post 1170, SirCakez wrote:If KMD was in a hood why didn't he flip like so?

You flip neighbor when you start in a hood, you flip VT when you are neighborized. Porkens is a neighborizer.

Albert B. Rampage · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:36 pm

In post 1171, SirCakez wrote:God is it MT?? That slot has been the death of me all game.

MT's porkens townread never made sense to me

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:30 am

Flavor, I deserve my fair share of blame for where we are. But let me make myself clear, there are things I can't accept.

In post 1201, Flavor Leaf wrote:Clidd hard defended me, and ABR hard pushed me yesterday, and by the end of it, they both ended up on the KMD wagon, Clidd slot as the hammer, however.

I could also see ABR being an overbearing partner to the point of having the partner become disinterested, but he just wants to win.

Clidd replaced out of ALL his games in 1 day. This is easily verifiable.

In post 1201, Flavor Leaf wrote:Clidd hard defended me, and ABR hard pushed me yesterday, and by the end of it, they both ended up on the KMD wagon, Clidd slot as the hammer, however.

Not a single fucking person in this game challenged you for fakeclaiming vig at the end of day 1, except for me. I knew I would be alone, but it didn't end there. Cakez attacked me for my push on you, and Porkens never explained his scumread on you except to call you the mastermind behind clidd. You know what, if I'm scum, I let everything you did in this game go because it benefits me. You took fuck all productive actions day 1, and hardtunneled kmd day 2 forcing everyone to go your way. Today you're looking for an angle to attack me. If you're town, that's strike number 3 in my book dude.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:46 am

In post 1192, Flavor Leaf wrote:Scum definitely see that I’m the highest chance of mislynch for them today, so I’ve accepted I’m likely gonna be the game losing mislynch today after my bad KMD push.

Let me get this straight. You're playing the victim after getting away scot-free for:

1) 1v1 Knight when you got 2 votes on you day 1
2) Fakeclaimed vig day 1
3) Pushed a ABR/kmd narrative all of day 2
4) Pushing ABR/MT narrative in LYLO with no apparent re-examination of where you could have gone wrong

You just jump from scummy gambit to scummy gambit and make charismatic appeals to make everyone townread you.

Maybe you can win with charisma alone as scum, but scumhunting ability is far more important to win the game for town. This is a fact that I understand, and work towards a solid solve before I focus on scum and get them lynched. That's the difference between 6 and 13 years or experience playing mafia.

All that doesn't matter if you're scum. I think you take a particular pleasure in playing scum because every town hates themselves after mislynching town, and you soak that energy right up.

If you're town, wake the fuck up and play better. If you're scum, I'm gonna put the last nail in your coffin if it's the last thing I do in this game, and you can bet the barn on that.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:57 am

In post 1207, SirCakez wrote:kinda circling back to ABR again

Right you are, guys, it is me.

Coming from the guy who tunneled the cop all of day 1 until we got him lynched, and the guy hardtunneling kmd yesterday, now ganging up on me.

Mark my words, I'm gonna get you lynched if you try to push me and it won't be pretty.

Your scummy play this game, chainsaw defense of FL yesterday, fenraser tunnel day 1 with NO other contribution, you've been coasting my friend. The only reason I'm not voting FL is because he just might be arrogant enough to fakeclaim vig and try to gladiator knight and then attack town blindly every damn day, but at least he made some decent points this game and his weird N2 song claim which I think is less likely to be made up as scum in LYLO.

If you any of you think I will go down easy, you are in for a big fucking surprise.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:13 am

First one who comes at me is going to get the right to see what a real 1v1 looks like, I promise you.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:25 am

In post 1215, Morning Tweet wrote:What do you make of FL's song claim, though? do you think he would come up with that as scum? additionally ive been townleaning FL from d1-d2 play so its really hard for me to go there. Currently i dont think scum!FL would include the song part, it's just kind of random and unnecessaryDoes anyone know if FL typically does something extra after claiming VT? Cause every game ive read from him (Rick Dalton specifically), he either has a PR or fakes one.

He claimed VT day 1, and then vig, then VT again today. I wouldn't have bought it if he said he was a PR. His fakeclaim would attract a NK, which as a PR, you're trying to avoid.

In post 1196, Flavor Leaf wrote:Was the tunnel then backdrop a performance by them, someone I know appreciates the narrative based on his Mafiascum discussion mafia roles as narrative?

Which narrative from that MD article are you referring to?

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:05 am

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:07 am

The hood is in consensus FL. My advice to your scumbuddy is to bus, you're not getting out of this.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:32 pm

gg guys!

I was definitely punching up above my weight in this game, and am happy to have played with you all!

This was definitely a high caliber of a player list.

I have some feedback:
1) something_smart didn't make his presence known in this game, I never felt threatened by him since he felt very reserved. I sort of view him the same way when I'm town too. Good thought process but unable to shape other players' opinions. There was no town leader on day 1, and that's what led to fenraser being lynched at the deadline without claiming. All these strong players and nobody had any initiative to lead bandwagons. Especially S_S who was widely townread and didn't make much of it unfortunately.
2) I feel like due to the above, Lilith should never have bodyguarded S_S over FL. FL had claimed PR, and was a major force for town, he just needed stronger footing to direct the play to the rest of the town. He was dangerous but ultimately had too many things working against him and ran out of time. Scum would have been in between a rock and a hard place if we had to decide between killing S_S and FL and FL was the one who was confirmed town. In any case, killing Lilith was the right play as she was the lynchpin keeping town together. I expected cakez and Lilith to be townlocking each other early on, actually, but what solidified the decision was we had to break up FL/Lilith/S_S asap, and she was the main one keeping town above water.
3) Clidd subbed in after ceejay left almost immediately as I subbed in for Maria and played a masterful game, as I expect from him as scum. MT did a wonderful job obvtowning and closing the game out from a winning position that clidd laid the groundwork for.
4) I think Kmd pointing the finger at FL with his dying breath really helped pull Porkens on board in lylo. His mislynch was premature and unfortunate for town.
5) By the time FL and cakez figured it out, they had led really bad mislynches on town and lost credibility, and they couldn't get on the same page to pull porkens back to them, but I think it was a very uphill battle by day 3.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:36 pm

In the end, I really outperformed my average, scum isn't my forte and I'm not a natural at lying. The strong player list definitely motivated me to put my best effort in the role. I was preparing for a war of attrition in lylo with back and forths every day for over a week, I really wanted to end things day 3 and not leave MT with the burden of winning on day 4. Our back up plan was for her to bus me, as I'm not very good at scum. Clidd and MT were such a blessing, you can't ask for better scumbuddies than that. This is my first time actually noticing boonskies, I didn't have much experience with him prior to this.

I welcome your feedback on my play and on the game!

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:37 pm

In post 1232, Something_Smart wrote:This was a game.

I'm floored that nobody even thought to ask what me dying might have meant. I figured it out instantly, and not because I was tunneled on ABR (if I had lived I would have locked him as town).

Since you were conftown by Lilith (even though we didn't try to NK you N1, ironic), anybody could have killed you N2. Your death didn't lead back to anyone. I said you were town since day 1 and you were never really pushed hard.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:49 pm

In post 1239, lilith2013 wrote:I 1000% should have just fucking hammered clidd wagon when I had the chance instead of giving him a chance to “reread” which he never even ended up doing (and I stayed up until 4:30am waiting for him to do so.... fml). I’m not doubting my reads like that again. Good lesson for me I guess.

Yeah, 100% true. We couldn't allow you to live after the way you stayed up all night to get a lynch for town. Well played!

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:52 pm

In post 1244, SirCakez wrote:I TRUSTED YOU ABR
that's what I get for falling AtE

Sorry mang. Which posts made you think I was town? Searching for the right tone, frequence and strategy to deploy was such a grind.

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:00 pm

In post 15, lilith2013 wrote:Ugh it’s gotta be ABR

You had me <3

Albert B. Rampage · Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:08 pm

In post 1251, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1249, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 15, lilith2013 wrote:Ugh it’s gotta be ABR
You had me <3
I knew that you townreading me was wayyyy too easy

I wanted to pocket you really bad to get my revenge for guns and roses but you were too much of a threat to be left alive!

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:27 am

I think clidd just did a typo and called you her at some point and I got confused.

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:27 am

yeah gg!

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:38 am

In post 229, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Theres just something very satisfying about knowing FL hammered the cop day 1, led a mislynch day 2 and never gets a chance at redemption.

sorry haha!

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:46 am

In post 56, Albert B. Rampage wrote:this town is a fucking shit show lol

this was in response to waking up from clidd l-1 to cop lynched lol

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:15 pm

In post 1275, Flavor Leaf wrote:I also believe that if Clidd would have been lynched there, ABR never would have been caught, so I don’t actually regret that part too much either.

How come?

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:52 pm

Why did ceejay and maria replace out?

Albert B. Rampage · Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:49 pm

Likewise! May we meet again.