Micro 943: Treestump Express [Game over!]

[beeboy]

The last 3 weeks of all of your lives is now boiling down to my surface level analysis.


ggwp.

[beeboy]

Ok so, immediate questions for Porken and Chemist.

Who did you plan on voting upon day start without putting any extra thought into it?
If left alive with you who is the player you were most likely to vote? (that player is still allowed to be alive)

[beeboy]

Now to the people who are dead.

Would any of you have had a strong desire to vote any of the 3 living players without any additional day 2 information?
How does your death impact that read?

[beeboy]

Morning Tweet was Chem the best, worst or a middling option to leave alive as town?

[beeboy]

Like if you were scum who was the worst choice on your wagon and who was the best ?

[beeboy]

Chemist wants to vote Porkens, why would Porkens ever leave that alive I am not feeling it

[beeboy]

What's the point of Porkens doing that

[beeboy]

Ctrl+f Porkens in chemists iso scum are far more self aware then town are. If I can spot it at a quick glance a scum Porkens could

[beeboy]

I think Chemist is coming into the 1v1 planning to vote Porkens.
Porkens would he coming into the 1v1 with the plan to make a reason to vote chemist/me it's a weirder angle.

[beeboy]

Chemist has the prerequisite to vote Porkens all while Porkens is coming in to vote me, right. It's just such a weird angle for Porkens to take idk. He just loses that 1v1 almost every single time I just don't get it.

Unless their is some weird replacement hope i am not sure what the expectation someone would have out of a lurker or me.

[beeboy]

Lurker or a random replacement that isn't me*

[beeboy]

Ctrl+f Porkens in chemists iso scum are far more self aware then town are. If I can spot it at a quick glance a scum Porkens could

She scumread him during RVS, attacked ProHawk for a faulty evaluation of Pork, and now scumreads Pork start of today.

there wasn't really any build up D1 for Chem pressing Pork especially hard. She barely even is today

K I am reading the thread in depth just throwing my immediate thoughts down.

[beeboy]

Scum had to have known we'd want to kill Chem. You'd think PH/Chem stumps Chem. This is only a winning LYLO for Pork cause of the distancing and how he wasnt at the bottom of most reads

but,

wifom

Didn't town want to kill both living players?
A scum that we wanted to kill day 1 might still make it to day 2 over a lurker idk.

[beeboy]

beeboy how much of the game had you read upon replacing in

0, I spewed vomit based on what people said and I put "porkens" in your site wide ISO and "chemist" in porkens site wide ISO in hopes one of you claimed the other was lynch bait in another game.

The questions i asked likely held regardless of how much I read anyway.

[beeboy]

I am halfway done reading right now?

[beeboy]

I really like MT for town.

This Post on the voting analysis was a ton of work. There is a lot that I don't really get or understand because it's hard to present association this early in the game without actually having flips. But it feels very town scum hunting and trying to figure stuff out.

I also feel like the end conclusion meshes with how I'm feeling about Porkins and Ceejay

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Finally we get a reads list from porkens...

Conspire,MT
Tux,pro hawk,quick
Check,contato,chem

Tux sits squarely in the third from the top position on reads, and then we get a vote on tux in 270.

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

This vote reads super opportunistic to me. There is a bit of talk about being too-scummy to be scummy, but I don't really subscribe to that logic.... if it looks like a duck and quacks like one...??

I was actually going to say that I didn't think Tux and Porkens were scum together until I saw this...

VOTE: unvote this was a terrible vote. Tux has given town responses 80-90% on reread.

I still believe chemists opening gambit is more likely scum. I keep coming back to that fundamental thought. I’m pretty sure we could find the partner examining the reactions, but since game ends with one scum why overthink it.

VOTE: chemist

I think I want to

unvote

VOTE: Porkens

Porkins, I don't think you ever explained WHY you voted for Tux, just that it was a bad vote, so let's start there.

Between RVSing Chemist (actual working scum tell) and this post here Prohawk is doing a really good job making me want to vote Chemist...

[beeboy]

Now that Animals had ended, I can say that Misty's play here isn't much at all like his scumplay there. Porkens still my preffered vote.

~Cosmic

I don't think Chem has a defined meta, he plays this game way too much for that afaik.
I could be wrong I don't know him particularly well, I've only seen him play once as far as completed games are concerned. (That number only goes up so much with ongoings)

[beeboy]

nice

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL - imagine thinking you can't vote post death xD

Porkens (0) -
Chemist (0) -

Not Voting (everyone) -

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL - imagine thinking you can't vote post death xD

Porkens (0) -
Chemist (0) -

Not Voting (everyone) -

[beeboy]

Hello Esper!!!

I am going to do the real 5head play and meta prohawk and see what his inclination to bus is.

@Mod is prohawk allowed to post?

^ if he can he is a coward.

[beeboy]

@Prohawk who is scum.

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL - imagine thinking you can't vote post death xD

Porkens (1) - Conspire
Chemist (0) -

Not Voting (everyone) -

[beeboy]

Does Prohawk ever get put under too much pressure?
Chemist is throwing so absurdly hard if he wasn't and this is how he chooses to play the F3... >_>

[beeboy]

Like if I was Chemist and I was on a team with Prohawk, I don't particularly see myself asking to be the final 3 unless I am misreading the game and prohawk was worse off then what I thought.

pedit: that's a sus way of getting 2 votes idk I'll list you twice and count it once.... >_>

[beeboy]

prohawk looked significantly better than porkens at almost any point

Hmm then this isn't a point towards chemist either

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL

Porkens (2) - Esper, Cosmic, Votato
Chemist (1) - Tuxedo Mask

Not Voting (everyone else) -

[beeboy]

On the other hand, Porkens has been a lot better than Misty in this lylo. Any intel on that bussing research, beeboy?

~Cosmic

I've looked at 2 games, I have 2 more to look through although I could be missing games.

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=69221&user_select[]=19492
- interacts with buddy low amounts, willing to throw shade, not willing to vote or do much else.
RVS - Not a buddy

viewtopic.php?p=7787809&user_select%5B% ... 2#p7787809
- No solid evidence he is aware who is scum buddy is.
RVS - Not a buddy

[beeboy]

Man if Chemist is hard outplaying me by just playing this lylo as awful as possible from a scum POV.
I feel really outplayed because I am falling for it.

[beeboy]

@Porkens and Chemist; can you show us your townie heart?

~esper

I've never been in a f3 with 2 inactive players, but I still kept up thread activity.

[beeboy]

Man if Chemist is hard outplaying me by just playing this lylo as awful as possible from a scum POV.
I feel really outplayed because I am falling for it.

man I feel dirty that this is an argument you have to consider

Sorry I didn't mean for that to be a slight towards you.
It's more if I was going to be the scum player to hit F3, I'd have a plan to be active while your just more doing whatever the fuck you feel like and I think that's mildly townie?

[beeboy]

I really love this eevee hydra ngl. profile picture is 2 cute

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL

Porkens (2) - Esper, Cosmic, Votato
Chemist (1) - Tuxedo Mask

Not Voting (2) - Quick, Morning Tweet

[beeboy]

I'll finish my prohawk dive sometime tomorrow.
I think from a pure "what would I want as prohawk" I'd either send myself in or send porkens in.

As prohawk I am not sending in Chem I think???

[beeboy]

Another note to self. wtf was my slot going to do in this f3 without a replace out.

[beeboy]

This is where I'm at, my head says lynch Chem but my Ego says lynch Porkens. Because I'd much rather be in a world where I'm either wrong/win or right/lose. Then if we lynch Porkens and I risking losing and being wrong.

This is a very valid concern, I see your issue here.

[beeboy]

@Bee where are you at? It seems everyone is fairly split at the moment.

i am kind of split myself I think I am leaning on voting Porkens but I am very very far from decided.

[beeboy]

Porkens has a lot of heart
But the Porkens push by Prohawk and they way he jumped off of it. Feels so much like scum theater over anything else.

[beeboy]

Porkens probably deserves the win the game the most out of the 3 of us alive.
But I am not here to play kingsmaker I am here to make the best vote I can. (even If I suck and mess it up)

[beeboy]

Life questions that is...

What hobbies do you have outside mafia?
I used to play some MTG myself but I stepped back from it. I am also playing Fire Emblem Three houses and Golf story on my switch

[beeboy]

Game related not to prohawk question.

I wonder if Chemist is scum and was left alive so the "obv was forced to be left alive" choice would be Porkens and the "afk shitter" choice would be me.
And Chemist just coasts the win cause he is stuck in the middle... hmm

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL - uh oh misty in a bad spot

Chemist (3) - Tuxedo Mask, Morning Tweet, Esper, Cosmic
Porkens (1) - Votato

Not Voting (1) - Quick

[beeboy]

I could just count quicks clear opinion for my votecount but I want him to play my stupid roleplay votecount....

[beeboy]

ngl I used the inferior forum theme but too many mods used colors I couldn't see and I switched.

[beeboy]

WILL OF THE COUNCIL - uh oh misty in a bad spot

Chemist (3) - Tuxedo Mask, Morning Tweet, Esper, Cosmic
Porkens (1) - Votato

Not Voting (1) - Quick

[beeboy]

really the best argument I can make in my favor is that I very clearly do not have a plan, or at least not a good one

ngl this is the reason I want to vote porkens.
But I can't just defy democracy you know, the town will flame me if I am wrong.

[beeboy]

nah I am just going to let it linger until deadlineish.
Even if it swaps back to porkens.

[beeboy]

Guys I regret my opinion I kinda just want to vote Chem as well... I mean I am not going to do it but I now you don't need to feel sorry for me.

I think Porkens is super pure.

[beeboy]

My brain just connected that Porkens can't be left alive with Hawk and have a scum win >__<
So Chemist now makes sense.

[beeboy]

Look I watched Babe today, and cried a lot, so killing pigs is officially off the table.

This is a pretty good read.

[beeboy]

The heart is white, misrepresenting town is kinda wolfy tbh.

[beeboy]

>:(

[beeboy]

The purity vs the guy that has no business being in a lylo.

This is oddly hard.

[beeboy]

Any last words before I let it rip?

[beeboy]

VOTE: chemist

[beeboy]

I trust nothing until NSG posts.

[beeboy]

I too wanna play this again, good set up, good group.

+1! regardless of what happens, thanks everyone for a great game!
~esper

+2! very cozy players and game, I had fun

[beeboy]

You guys should join Hectics Death Switch in the micro queue, it has me, Morning Tweet and Tuxedo mask.



Wow I know some of those guys very cool :O

[beeboy]

Make a Cosmic account silly.

[beeboy]

ggwp still had fun. Pepehands tho.

[beeboy]

Thanks NSG very fun game