Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Pooky

gotta start the bussing early

[Alduskkel]

What's the town benefit to claiming what setup our role comes from?

[Alduskkel]

claiming setups seems bad as it can out players as being obviously vanilla

[Alduskkel]

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

[Alduskkel]

notice me datisi-senpai

[Alduskkel]

we all know if datisi is scum then datisi is memeing in scumchat rn if anything

[Alduskkel]

i will absolutely pocket both of you if i'm scum

[Alduskkel]

i will absolutely pocket both of you if i'm scum

i will also pocket you both if i'm town

[Alduskkel]

also imma give ppl the chance to speak but i already have a good idea of where i want to pivot my vote .

i'm more interested in this

[Alduskkel]

as in, i'm more interested in that than the mechanics talk. i'm equally interested in bugspray's read

[Alduskkel]

read bugspray's post in a pirate voice

[Alduskkel]

now that's spicy. why skitter?

[Alduskkel]

PEDIT WHAT IS HAPENING

same

people just be throwing weird reads out there

[Alduskkel]

I think this is most likely tvt
Almost never svs
If this is svt i'm inclined to think dk is the t, i'm surprised to note

this is about where i'm at too rn

[Alduskkel]

pooky is unusually quiet so far

[Alduskkel]

Pooky's posting in this game reminds me of Coalition when I was scum with him, especially when he was fighting with Koba except now instead of Koba it's Datisi. So I'm feeling good about my vote placement rn.

[Alduskkel]

BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

[Alduskkel]

The question I asked was "could i theoretically substitute myself with another account like "alduskkel mask""?

[Alduskkel]

Hey, last time I read this game was on page 17 and now there's like 20 extra pages of vitriol. Anyone want to fill me in on the important bits?

[Alduskkel]

Like what's actually worth reading?

[Alduskkel]

Okay, why's DC scummy?

[Alduskkel]

It's my understanding Pooky spams a lot of posts when he's town, and I also noticed based on the timestamps of his posts up to that point that he'd often post something very brief every few hours.

The second point is a misunderstanding -- I'm not throwing shade for "posting a lot and fighting," it's more like he got into an unproductive (read: not pro-town) fight with someone else that just seems like a way to clog up the thread with mostly useless stuff and give himself something to do.

Also even if we were scum together in Coalition, my reasons weren't "lazy bs" even if Pooky might think so

pedit: that doesn't actually tell me what's scummy about DC

[Alduskkel]

is that directed at Pooky?

[Alduskkel]

I like Fuji apples.

[Alduskkel]

Like what's actually worth reading?

I don't understand why you are paranoid about DonC's masked nature - like why do you think that's a gambit and what does he have to gain from the gambit?

I don't think it's a gambit after what the mod posted

[Alduskkel]

Like what's actually worth reading?

I don't understand why you are paranoid about DonC's masked nature - like why do you think that's a gambit and what does he have to gain from the gambit?

I don't think it's a gambit after what the mod posted

I'm asking why you thought it was a gambit in the first place

Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

fwiw I agree with this at a certain level, but I feel like there's value in sorting in {Pooky,Aldus} given the anti synergy they have this game.

I can tell you're not familiar with how Coalition went.

[Alduskkel]

Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

so you weren't suspicious about DC-scum faking a mask-role, you were just trying to raise doubt in order to help hide the townie PRs?


In other words you wanted scum to think it was possible that DC was actually a PR that faked being a masked-vanilla in order to hide his PR-Nature and thus you expressed paranoia?

Just want to make sure I understand your plan correctly.

more or less yeah

[Alduskkel]

hey gamers im finallly compiling my case on obvscum miccro <3 . <3 expect it within the next 2 hours as long as i dont get sidetracked

what happened to this

[Alduskkel]

[long post about DC mask thing]

why are you making such a big deal about something from page 2

honestly your biggest mistake in your analysis is assuming that I thought about this for more than like 30 seconds when it was more like "oh hey, something unusual to talk about early on instead of just RVSing" and also "that'd be such a sick play if DC faked being from the mask game"

B) Instead of "exploring" and keeping the possibility open that DonC is not forced into the mask by the mod and actually did it on his own and thus could be a power role - Aldus's questions to the moderator actually make this possibility certainly impossible - basically confirming for the scum if they are not DonC that DonC is definitely a townie if he is not scum since his role is from that vanilla game.

actually my questions were intended to highlight that it WAS possible -- I believe DC's is the one who asked the mod a question that made it impossible

[Alduskkel]

someone post a good scumcase for me to sheep

[Alduskkel]

someone post a good scumcase for me to sheep

may I suggest Pooky's iso

to be fair, i am already voting pooky

my motivation for this game is very low due to all the noise and toxicity but if my vote is already in a good place then alrighty

[Alduskkel]

someone post a good scumcase for me to sheep

may I suggest Pooky's iso

to be fair, i am already voting pooky

my motivation for this game is very low due to all the noise and toxicity but if my vote is already in a good place then alrighty

sigh

oh were you joking that i should selfvote?

[Alduskkel]

same

[Alduskkel]

the joke is not getting the page top despite having the opportunity

gottem

[Alduskkel]

idk, who's scummy?

[Alduskkel]

meh

don't remember who said it but someone said dsj was low hanging fruit and I kinda agree with that

and why would dsj scum float the idea that koba vs DC is SvS?

[Alduskkel]

it's not a super strong read but yes, I do think dsj is most likely town

[Alduskkel]

I mean yeah, that's such a spicy take that I think that probably only comes from Big Brain town

if you lynch me - it's because you made a mistake reading me - not because some i played badly bullshit

Do you think that pooky was using that clique as a way to cope with the fact that they couldn't under stand why people were voting for them and they saw the group that was on them and created an explenation that made sense to them?

So pooky if you think that DC faked his reaction do you think it had anything to do with koba's alignment? I'm thinking that if DC faked it then he knew koba was not the dayvig but then why would he know his role?

I also kinda liked these questions, they seem thoughtful.

[Alduskkel]

Has anyone hit E-1 in this game? It's kinda hard to tell since the last vote count was on page 33.

[Alduskkel]

so your only scumread is someone who claimed a PR lol

[Alduskkel]

why are you townreading bugspray? I just checked their iso and it felt really null to me

[Alduskkel]

why?

[Alduskkel]

so that makes TW's post scummy because ___

[Alduskkel]

I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

hm, interesting

I'll look into that after I get some sleep, it's 5 am here and my critical thinking skills need refreshing

[Alduskkel]

I'm gonna read the last 16 pages but I'm here to talk

[Alduskkel]

oh god and I also promised to review duck's iso for skitter

uhh catching up takes priority tho

[Alduskkel]

no i'm on page 57

[Alduskkel]

i definitely do that as town cuz i'm town in this game lel

[Alduskkel]

oh!!! oh

oh?

[Alduskkel]

@Datisi: Would you say this post is similar to me going "hm, interesting" in this game?

[Alduskkel]

I don't understand your question

[Alduskkel]

I want you to make posts about the posts you read during your catchup. Pages 55-68. Do you have thoughts about those pages

Oh yeah I'm making a post that will cover that

[Alduskkel]

TW why are you pushing skitter much more than me?

[Alduskkel]

ducks don't have hands though...

[Alduskkel]

i'm just gonna post what i have to the end of page 58 so i can get some content out there

[Alduskkel]

I just don't see how aldu thought it was a good question. I was trying to see pooky's opinion on the relationship between two players but what I asked would have no correlation between the two players in question(koba/DC)

I'm sorry, i still dont understand what you're getting at. Can you start from the beginning?

When koba/DC started their argument about some bs it happened when Datisi and Pooky were having the big fight. It would be the perfect chance for mafia to be like, lets start a fight that people won't try to vote on because it will be over shadowed by

this much more important argument but will distance us. Now moving to the present, I had asked pooky about koba's alignment based on the actions of DC who Pooky said had faked his reactions. Now obviously there had been talk that it was obviously

not a real claim so I should have known that it was a fake reaction and I had even commented that I should have kept reading so I would have realized that. But I still asked the question, which would make me an idiot... but Aldu referred to my

questions as being big brained.

I meant "big brained" as "you're overthinking it and are probably wrong but the fact that you're overthinking it seems town."

honestly your biggest mistake in your analysis is assuming that I thought about this for more than like 30 seconds when it was more like "oh hey, something unusual to talk about early on instead of just RVSing" and also "that'd be such a sick play if DC faked being from the mask game"

I don't think you came up with "let's work up mask paranoia regarding Miccro's account in the game in order to get the scum to think that Miccro could possibly be non-vanilla PR who changed his account in order to pretend to be a vanilla townie so that their pool for where the PRs could be expands by a tiny amount" in 30 seconds while glancing at Miccro playing under a different name. That's a very convoluted thought to have and not naturally the first thought that comes to a townie's mind when seeing the role in the OP and in the PM from moderator to us. It feels very much like an excuse you invented after the fact when you were just typing random stuff in the beginning.

I like fantasizing about crazy mafia plays like this tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

kinda town on aldus earlier but also meh

but you were voting me?

Dkko's tone reads like an open book and I'm p sure the literal dayvig reaction test should have been fairly obviously fake - my only contribution during that exchange was to post faux twilight shit posts and try to make it look like this game was >rand likely to have a vig to try and make the situation more real

Why did you act like you thought it was real even after Koba explicitly admitted it was fake?

Page 58 skittering duck argument: I don't agree with TW's scumread on skitter. Firstly, I think the toxicity of the earlier part of the game explains anything "off" about skitter's tone that TW might be perceiving. Secondly, TW says that scum-skitter's most sensible play is to push TW, but I don't think that makes sense when she could have gone for me or dsj, or even DC.

[Alduskkel]

heya aldu do u have a read on me?

soft town read

[Alduskkel]

*raises hands, mouth open*

wow !!!!!

don't think this conversation is one for midgame. but fwiw you've disappointed me more than mask has tbh.

how is this not acting like it was real after dkko outed it?

also: why does me and DSJ being LHF make us poor targets for a scum-skitter push?

[Alduskkel]

ok, why's that?

just in case this wasn't clear, aldu i'd like to hear a bit more about why i'm a soft tr

I don't think your play makes sense as scum.
We've mindmelded on some townreads.
Your scumhunting looks genuine.

Aldus, what exactly was your reasoning for pming the mod and asking if anyone could play under a mask account

This comes up twice in your ISO fairly far apart so the excuse “oh I didn’t think about it for more than 30 seconds” seems like bs

curiosity + if micc says yes then it's important that we not assume that DC's role came from the mask game

pedit: @TW: how is that ironic?
@lilith: I'm not comfortable giving a reads list until I'm fully caught up but here are some reads I'm fairly sure won't change in the meantime.
town: datisi, dsj, skitter
scum: pooky (but the PR stuff means I'll have to move my vote elsewhere... but if I die today please don't let this slot coast on Day 2 or Day 3)

[Alduskkel]

oh yeah and if datisi is town and townreads bugspray then I trust datisi on that

pedit: @lilith:

I like fantasizing about crazy mafia plays like this tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

also tbh the whole "DC's mask account is fake"

IS

kinda shitposty

@skitter: I reserve my paranoia about you for if we're both alive in lylo

[Alduskkel]

curiosity + if micc says yes then it's important that we not assume that DC's role came from the mask game

why is it important to you that people don’t assume DC’s role came from the mask game?

more room for town PRs to hide

pedit: secret mastermind plans are shitty tho

[Alduskkel]

the way Aldus said it made it sound like he was getting ready to push DC because people were somewhat clearing the slot due to the mask account and he didn't want that to happen. I just don't believe that he was genuinely trying to be helpful by muddying the waters on whether DC could be a PR, that was such a convoluted explanation. I would feel way better about it if he had just said he was scumreading DC and trying to figure out whether the mask account could be a gimmick that scum would do. Instead he's not actually scumreading DC even though the paranoia and tone implied that he was, and comes up with this lame-ass excuse for trying to protect PRs.... I think he actually asked Micc that question because he's scum and was trying to confirm whether DC was vanilla due to game setup.

If this were true I would have talked about my PM to Micc in the scum PT, not in the main thread.
What gave you the impression I was going to scumread DC?

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

Nothing in this post suggests I think DC is scum.

people were like, trying to solve the game and aldus was like "no wait don't solve it"

solving it outs the slot as vanilla tho

[Alduskkel]

Why do you care so goddamn much about covering for PRs

partly because i'm having trouble getting scumreads so it helps to focus on other things

pedit: nah I wasn't gonna push DC. and if I were then I would back it up by calling his posts scummy outside of setup mechanics

[Alduskkel]

And if I wanted to get support for that, I would have made an actual case on DC.

[Alduskkel]

can you explain the pooky read?

dats push was in bad faith and felt like he was more worried about being right/winning the argument than determining if dats was scum
dislike trying to end the day last night

I never pushed dats

Uhhhh you were calling him scum for quite a long while so

I never called him scum. I said if he was scum this would make him look bad or something like that.

I call bullshit.

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

you scum Datisi? if you are you should just stop pushing because it making you look terrible

bugs is town so i'm not gonna end up losing to

them

also i get the feeling you're trying to be condescending to me in order to get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

the only way you'd know for sure bugs is town is if you were scum btw

get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

I don't care if you back off or not

I'm perfectly fine with being evicted D1 to make you look bad D2.

yeah i feel the tone is a bit off and bravado-y in a way that doesn't match the context of this convo

I'm confident because I'm town, so there's no way Datisi wins this lol

yea you already got caught in your own lies Datisi

You can't honestly expect us to believe that you weren't at least implying Datisi was scum.

pedit: I wasn't

just

saying Pooky was too quiet:

Pooky's posting in this game reminds me of Coalition when I was scum with him, especially when he was fighting with Koba except now instead of Koba it's Datisi. So I'm feeling good about my vote placement rn.

And anyway, this post:

someone post a good scumcase for me to sheep

is basically me saying "I'm having trouble scumhunting, someone help me."

[Alduskkel]

now i'm thinking if "i'm fine being killed day 1 if that means yall get datisi day 2" contradicts him being a PR

now i wanna vote there again lmao

this is actually a very good catch imo.

[Alduskkel]

i feel p good with town!lilith and town!ss i think, btw

skitter can you explain why you're confident about town!ss?

pedit: let me post guys

[Alduskkel]

I'm a little worried that you're relying too much on meta, skitter.

[Alduskkel]

no it's a good point actually

pedit: because I know her read on me is correct.

[Alduskkel]

that being said, I don't think skitter's meta on me is actually the correct reason to townread me, lol

[Alduskkel]

skitter, has anything in my recent posts been AI for you?

[Alduskkel]

lilith your slot ain't cleared nor were people acting like it was cleared lol

[Alduskkel]

@ lilith:

you feel sufficiently different to city and jk++ and it isn't multiball (at least, i'm assuming), so i feel p good calling you town

ss i'm not quite solid on but i thought dc was town + he doesn't feel stilted really in the way i caught him in jk++

if lilith is very strongly town then why does this post feel so... not confident?

pedit: not sure what you mean lilith

[Alduskkel]

@skitter: why did the read become stronger?
@lilith:

curiosity + if micc says yes then it's important that we not assume that DC's role came from the mask game

idk how much wording matters but this phrasing isn’t about covering for PRs but instead about casting doubt on DC

it is about covering for PRs tho
I mean I see what you're saying about the wording buuuuuut that's just not how I meant it

[Alduskkel]

what about her play this game is out of her scumrange?

[Alduskkel]

Also, I'm kinda surprised you can't find anything AI in my recent posts.

[Alduskkel]

@lilith: Some paranoia, yeah. And I didn't ask until now because the last pages I had to catch up on were 66-68, which was when I saw TW questioning skitter about something similar.

[Alduskkel]

ok, why's that?

just in case this wasn't clear, aldu i'd like to hear a bit more about why i'm a soft tr

I don't think your play makes sense as scum.
We've mindmelded on some townreads.
Your scumhunting looks genuine.

[Alduskkel]

I read pages 66-68

[Alduskkel]

regardless of who the "doesn't feel stilted" read is talking about it's so spectacularly understated compared to the rest of her very very confident trajectory on the slot. :/

it feels like she's doubling down on the read then when pressed about it going "oh I'm not that confident" and the reasoning feels light compared to the way she's been talking about the read.

I don't expect her to suddenly be null on it. I thought it was stiff that she holds a high confidence level on the read until being called out on it and then is like "hmm I'm not sold but he doesn't feel tonally stiff" - that feels closer to a flash justification and an attempt to avoid tmi than an actual response to being asked about that read which she really has.

[Alduskkel]

lilith your slot ain't cleared nor were people acting like it was cleared lol

this is p scummy

y tho

[Alduskkel]

I like fantasizing about crazy mafia plays like this tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

is this another scumslip? mafia plays?

mafia as in the game.

you're really reaching for as many reasons as possible to scumread me aren't you?

lilith your slot ain't cleared nor were people acting like it was cleared lol

this is p scummy

y tho

seems like you are trying to keep the number of consensus townreads lower in order to expand your survival window but you don't produce any reason to sus her.

more like, I could easily die today so I don't want people to clear the slot and then it turns out to be scum in lylo

also keeping consensus townreads lower doesn't do anything for my survival window right now, which would be my main worry as scum since I was at E-1 for a while

additionally, fighting lilith on this is more likely to do me harm than good -- a better strategy as scum would be to let this go and instead try to pocket lilith/convince her not to vote me

[Alduskkel]

Gun to my head I'd still say skitter is town though

[Alduskkel]

lilith do you think skitter's strong townread on you is justified based on the reasons she gave? Are you out of your scumrange?

[Alduskkel]

I'm not really vibing with scumreads on Raven. Is there anything more to it than "her townread on skitter is too strong"?

[Alduskkel]

@Datisi: How strong is your TR on bugspray/Raven?

@skitter: Can you summarize your case on TW?
Also, can you elaborate on this more with quotes/examples?

so that makes TW's post scummy because ___

Oh that wasnt a response, that was an unrelated side comment, sorry

I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

[Alduskkel]

dsj town
datisi town
skitter town but i'm paranoid
SS null
Raven/bugspray town because datisi says so
Pooky scum
lilith leaning town
duck pending skitter responding to my post above but I'm leaning toward scum? sorting who's scum in TW vs skitter is a pain tho.

[Alduskkel]

what's wrong with the readslist and why is it weird to be null on SS

[Alduskkel]

i'm interested to see why skitter is considering a Raven/me team because that sounds like bullshit to me

[Alduskkel]

it's not really a 1v1 anymore though...

[Alduskkel]

so are my reads Scummy or just Bad?

[Alduskkel]

i'm obvtown because if i were scum i'd be tryharding /s

[Alduskkel]

@lilith: I mean a lot of your slots' content was Koba vs DC which was just NAI toxic spam
SS has mostly just posted one-liners so not a lot there either
lilith, your posting seems like it comes from a town mindset but i'm not ~sure~ so it's just a town lean

@skitter: The timing is just coincidence. I was hesitant to scumread TW because I was focusing on catching up, then I was focusing on defending myself, and then I was going to iso TW but I ended up not doing that because his iso is long.

[Alduskkel]

@lilith: I mean a lot of your slots' content was Koba vs DC which was just NAI toxic spam
SS has mostly just posted one-liners so not a lot there either
lilith, your posting seems like it comes from a town mindset but i'm not ~sure~ so it's just a town lean

@skitter: The timing is just coincidence. I was hesitant to scumread TW because I was focusing on catching up, then I was focusing on defending myself, and then I was going to iso TW but I ended up not doing that because his iso is long.

[Alduskkel]

been a while since I doubleposted like that lol

[Alduskkel]

I don't see any reason why a dayvig reaction test couldn't come from scum.
I thought Koba was townish but I have a reason to be suspicious that I can't mention because it'd probably break a rule.

I'm pretty familiar with Datisi so I think I have an easier time reading him than I do you.
skitter's been around longer in this game/has more content/seems more transparent than you. I just don't get that same openness from your posts.
dsj's mindset also seems more transparently town than yours.

Not saying your mindset isn't town but it's not as transparently so. Compared to those other slots, I think it's more likely that you might have a hidden scum agenda.

pedit: yeah datisi am I not your friend?

[Alduskkel]

how tf am I not transparently town?

please quote me posts and tell me where you think I could have a hidden scum agenda because I really don't believe that

there's nothing specifically in your posts like that, it's just dsj and skitter have those towntells in their posts and I don't really see that in yours.

[Alduskkel]

Aldus, your posting reminds me of my scumgame quite a bit. as far as content goes, you've reacted to a lot of posts with "why?" and questioning of other people's reads, but there's no evidence of follow-through or underlying threads of thought there that imply that you're thinking about the game in a way that attempts to solve it

I haven't found anything really solid yet so that's probably why you're getting that feeling

I don't rly have a defense for that though other than to say I am thinking about this game, it's just I find it a tough game to solve.

If you were me (and town, of course), would you be having an easier time finding a solid scumread?

[Alduskkel]

I totally went try-hard in coalition tho

did you see that wall I was making to convince wug to vote D&D in the 3p lylo until wug just insta-voted them and I then I just stopped in the middle of writing the wall and took the win? lol

[Alduskkel]

this is a dumb argument

my original post was sarcastic anyway, hence the /s

[Alduskkel]

@pooky no I was definitely trying really hard to bus you in that game lol

[Alduskkel]

I'll quote posts from dsj and skitter later, but as for the rest of your post lilith:

I said you COULD have a hidden scum agenda. Which is true of anyone until proven otherwise. I think you're misunderstanding what I was trying to say. You're acting like I'm scumreading you when I was just trying to explain why you weren't as town to me as other slots.

If I ask "why" and don't follow up then that often means I found the answer satisfactory. I disagree that I'm not trying to interact with people to develop reads because I think that's what I'm doing right now.

@aldus I didn't want to weight this too heavily but you also seem to go mia and then pop into thread when the wagon looks like it's coming back onto you

that would require me to have read the thread in order to see that the wagon is coming back to me and if I've read the thread then I'd post

It might also be a timezone thing?

Aldus prefers shitposting with you to actually solving the game.

This is true regardless of my alignment LOL

@skitter: how am I flailing?

[Alduskkel]

that's cuz pooky's scumread on me is laughable

what you described doesn't even sound like flailing to me either.

[Alduskkel]

If you were me (and town, of course), would you be having an easier time finding a solid scumread?

@lilith

[Alduskkel]

I was more looking for which specific player(s) you'd be scumreading if you were me.

[Alduskkel]

I mean your hidden scum agenda could be pushing my miselimination but you could also just be mistaken town.

pedit: well it's the question I'm asking now

[Alduskkel]

because I think if you consider the game from my perspective as town then you'll realize it's a pretty difficult to solve game

[Alduskkel]

also I do townread you

[Alduskkel]

well, i'm a vanilla ensign from Micro 935, which is funny because that was my exact role in that game

apologies for not playing better

day 2 should definitely be spent resolving skitter vs TW and also pooky if he's still alive

[Alduskkel]

doctorpepper

[Alduskkel]

missed opportunity from micc to be like "alduskkel, you're alduskkel"

[Alduskkel]

Did skitter just completely drop her TW scumread?

[Alduskkel]

why am I at the top of oh god oh fuck I don't know?

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

i'm actually really scared that if i don't get eliminated today then we'll eliminate someone green and then i just get eliminated day 2, which is even worse

[Alduskkel]

although skitter's sudden change to hard pushing raven while dumping her TW push is moving her more toward the red than my triangle indicates

[Alduskkel]

you're misremembering PYP

also i thought i was at E-1 when i claimed this game

[Alduskkel]

yeah, good times!

[Alduskkel]

this game feels way more confusing than autumnal

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don't hate me because i'm beautiful

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what's antispewing?

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I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

hm, interesting

this reaction reminds me of what i've seen scum!aldus say sometimes but i need to dig up his town!games to check if he did that as town too but i'm not feeling like doing that right now

@pooky this was the thing datisi was talking about where if that language thing about me is really a scumtell then this quote implies i'm scum with the worst

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Really skitter? You don't have anything you feel the need to respond to? What about Datisi and Pooky's posts suggesting that we're linked? If you really think I'll flip red, then shouldn't that concern you? If you're content for the day to end on me, then why are you leaving your vote on Raven? Are you uninterested in convincing people to vote Raven? What about my questions to you about the worst?

VOTE: skitter30

I know people are gonna be like haha Alduscum is just distancing but if/when I flip green please keep a close eye on skitter. I think town would be concerned that they're being seen as a scumbuddy to one of their scumreads, but skitter knows I'll flip green so she's like "eh, doesn't matter."

I also know I've said I thought skitter was town but I'm honestly thinking my paranoia earlier was right.

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Raven if you're feeling well enough can you explain your TL on Pooky?

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skitter, this just seems like you're settling for LHF (me). This is twice now that you're basically sidelining your previous suspicion (the worst, now Raven) to move to a new target. It's not like all 3 of us are scum. I also don't see how you progressed from having trouble reading me to now being totally comfortable with my elimination.

And again you say you're fine ending it on me "now" but you're still not voting me.

Raven if you're feeling well enough can you explain your TL on Pooky?

Yes, he is playing quite differently here than it that game and I also spectated him in another game, where he was town. Basically he sounded kind of fake and disconnected in Coalition as compared to here. You don’t think so?

Can you explain your djstr read? He seems to be locked on you/Skitter as the scumteam, yet he’s one of your strongest trs, can you explain to me why?

Also why is SS so low, even if SS hasn’t done anything AI so far, don’t you think Koba should at the very least have him at a null?

I think a lot of his reasoning in this game sounds just as fake.

As for dsj, I don't see dsj-scum as trying to sell the idea that DC vs Koba was SvS. That doesn't make sense at all. I also think if dsj were scum then it'd be more... obvious? He seems fairly transparent in how he's thinking. Even if he's wrong about me, I can see the thought process behind his scumhunting.

I don't know what you mean about SS, because I do have him as null.

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is this drunkposting?

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maybe skitter's scum game is slipping? idk

what sounds fake as fuck about that post datisi?

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i don't know
the "realy skitter???"and "guys after i flip green please have an eye out for skitter : (((((" liek idk
again i'm not putting too much stock into that

I mean you should know as well as I do that my persuasion skills are not very good so odds are I'm getting eliminated today. And I think it's also obvious that if skitter is scum then she's probably going to be very slippery to catch so that's why I specifically asked people to stay wary of her.

@skitter: What's unnatural about my read progression?

pedit: that's a lotta posts

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skitter, this just seems like you're settling for LHF (me).

if. i. wanted. a. lhf. wagon. i. could. have. voted. you. and. forced. your. wagon. through. like. 5. irl. days. ago.

like think about this. does that even make sense in context? if that was my goal don't you think that would have happened already ?

idk maybe you wanted towncred for not being on my wagon but now that you're under more fire you'd rather pivot to actually scumreading me

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intent to hammer

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ok here's my progression

Spoiler:

skitter, has anything in my recent posts been AI for you?

@ lilith:

you feel sufficiently different to city and jk++ and it isn't multiball (at least, i'm assuming), so i feel p good calling you town

ss i'm not quite solid on but i thought dc was town + he doesn't feel stilted really in the way i caught him in jk++

if lilith is very strongly town then why does this post feel so... not confident?

pedit: not sure what you mean lilith

Also, I'm kinda surprised you can't find anything AI in my recent posts.

@lilith: Some paranoia, yeah. And I didn't ask until now because the last pages I had to catch up on were 66-68, which was when I saw TW questioning skitter about something similar.

Gun to my head I'd still say skitter is town though

dsj town
datisi town
skitter town but i'm paranoid
SS null
Raven/bugspray town because datisi says so
Pooky scum
lilith leaning town
duck pending skitter responding to my post above but I'm leaning toward scum? sorting who's scum in TW vs skitter is a pain tho.

i'm interested to see why skitter is considering a Raven/me team because that sounds like bullshit to me

Did skitter just completely drop her TW scumread?

although skitter's sudden change to hard pushing raven while dumping her TW push is moving her more toward the red than my triangle indicates

Really skitter? You don't have anything you feel the need to respond to? What about Datisi and Pooky's posts suggesting that we're linked? If you really think I'll flip red, then shouldn't that concern you? If you're content for the day to end on me, then why are you leaving your vote on Raven? Are you uninterested in convincing people to vote Raven? What about my questions to you about the worst?

VOTE: skitter30

I know people are gonna be like haha Alduscum is just distancing but if/when I flip green please keep a close eye on skitter. I think town would be concerned that they're being seen as a scumbuddy to one of their scumreads, but skitter knows I'll flip green so she's like "eh, doesn't matter."

I also know I've said I thought skitter was town but I'm honestly thinking my paranoia earlier was right.

it basically went "i townread skitter" to "i townread skitter but there was some stuff that made me kinda paranoid" and then when skitter abandoned her push on TW that's when it turned into "okay i seriously think skitter is probably scum here"

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wee snaw

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pooky what the fuck

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i mean, i explained p clearly why i dropped the tw thing and went to raven, and then you, and it was largely cuz you had some p strong associatives with someone i was scumreading; you reacted to my raven push kinda exactly like i'd expect a partner to react

and calling that out is what prompted you to drop your townread of me, so from my pov it kinda looks like i was right

quote where you explained it.

as soon as i called out a read on you, aldu's interactions with me changed:

he was willing to vote tw when that *had not* happened before, despite me pushing it forever, which basically read to me like he wanted to redirect me off of you and back onto tw?

the timing is incredibly suspect, no? he utterly refused tw but as soon as i said i was sus of you his townread on me magically strengthened and whe was willing to vote tw

quote where I said I was willing to vote TW.

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pooky what the fuck

Cmon it’d be hilarious if this is the right read on the game.

hilarious because of how improbable it is?

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when did I say I'd be willing to vote TW

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but if/when I flip green

Lol

"if" because i might not flip at all

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i mean, i explained p clearly why i dropped the tw thing and went to raven, and then you, and it was largely cuz you had some p strong associatives with someone i was scumreading; you reacted to my raven push kinda exactly like i'd expect a partner to react

and calling that out is what prompted you to drop your townread of me, so from my pov it kinda looks like i was right

The timing with your raven push was coincidental, because prior to that I was focusing on catching up with the thread. (And then some additional time passed where I was planning on isoing TW but kept putting it off because his iso is long and then I ended up not really doing it so I instead just asked you about it.)

I started to drop my townread of you because your push onto Raven coincided with your sudden disinterest in TW.

as soon as i called out a read on you, aldu's interactions with me changed:

he was willing to vote tw when that *had not* happened before, despite me pushing it forever, which basically read to me like he wanted to redirect me off of you and back onto tw?

the timing is incredibly suspect, no? he utterly refused tw but as soon as i said i was sus of you his townread on me magically strengthened and whe was willing to vote tw

like, from my pov, how ought i be reading that?

this is not omgus (i don't even know where omgus came into this ?)

And honestly I think this is a misrepresentation.

I wasn't "willing to vote TW," as I've forced skitter to admit, and my townread didn't "magically strengthen" on skitter. Like, it didn't strengthen at all.

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pooky's awfully concerned about getting townread by datisi for someone who's claimed a PR

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I gotta reread a ton

please hold pooky to this

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i'm still not completely discarding skit/duck btw. just sayin.

he's really not relenting - maybe we should just try and eliminate someone else?

VOTE: the worst

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is that not an obvious "oops posted in the main PT instead of the scum PT"?

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also hello i'm here

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doesn't feel good to catch scum this way but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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datisi i need you to tell me if i'm being dumb or not

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also I see skitter claimed a provable town PR

so either she'll be conftown or we should eliminate her if later she's like "i'm bulletproof/a roleblocker/some other scummy/non-confirmable role"

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actually datisi is probably sleeping so lilith you can be my substitute datisi

was TW's scumslip just a joke?

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alright whatever i'm dumb (that's a bad meme though)
VOTE: skitter

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@lilith: I mean a lot of your slots' content was Koba vs DC which was just NAI toxic spam

this is not something you can present without proof. toxic spam can, and frequently is, AI.

counterpoint: i haven't read it and i don't want to read it

wow for a second I thought you were town

Like you literally just wrote 2692 and now you’re voting skitter?

are you saying you think it *was* a scumslip by TW?

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bold of you to assume i can't be a dumbass as town

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oh right lmao

unvote

anyway i've literally got no idea who to vote now because both my scumreads claimed PR so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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good thing i'm not gonna have to deal with this shit on day 2

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show of hands, who's gonna be like "what the fuck?" when I flip town?

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hmm what should I have done differently

@datisi: seems like that's all of your games lol

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(kidding)

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har har got any other hot takes?

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I look forward to your constructive criticism (not sarcastic)

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as in, I'm not being sarcastic

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wee snaw

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snaw wee

you fool. you absolute buffoon. you think you can challenge me in my own realm? you think you can rebel against my authority? you dare come into my house and upturn my dining chairs and spill coffee grounds in my Keurig? you thought you were safe in your chain mail armor behind that screen of yours. I will take these laminate wood floor boards and destroy you. I didn’t want war. but i didn’t start it.

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lmao go town

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it be like that

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I really thought Pooky was scum after the fakeclaim was revealed.

I'm sad that there's a lot of hard feelings and that I didn't play better, but I think scum deserved the win.

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awww <3

I've immortalized the appreciation page in my signature too!

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boop

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skitter almost nailed this game day 1 tho. scumreads on TW and raven

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boop

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Spoiler: if you don't want to experience the slow burn of wondering how the fuck that video is relevant then

skip to 8:17

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just read koba's notes PT. damn those reads were good

datisi's notes PT is exactly the sort of hilarious panicking i've come to expect from him