Micro 964: Your Nightmare GAME OVER!

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It's a special kind of gif that shows you Your Nightmare, everyone sees something different when looking inside it.

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Spoiler:

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<3
We won the Boonskies game btw, our slot basically carried that game.

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Krazy replaced in and kinda powersolved the game by getting all the mech stuff together. I could feel the fear scum felt from Haggle's avatar though, I reckon we were the real MVPs of that game.

We want town vigging each other in this game to make it closer to nightless I think. Like, if we all massclaim today, we can make it so that we're down to 5 people tomorrow. Scum gets-

Never mind, I checked the rules again. I thought scum had 1 max fear identity kill, but turns out they can both do it, so we can't catch scum that way.

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I don't think mass claiming is a good idea having thought about it. There's too many flaws.

My fear is of spiders btw.

[Hectic]

Yeah, people always say that about me. "That Hectic is such a terrifying presence. How in the world did he get to the level he's at?"

You know what I tell them? Hard work, perseverance, intelligence, ruthlessness, and smidge of talent is all you need. Otherwise, I'm just like everyone else.

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VOTE: Chara

Chara usually posts a joke when it enters as town, don't let me down.

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Mene, you're kidding about the fear you got, right?

What's Slayer Gambit?

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I am a ninja visitor, Billy.

I'd give it a 7/10, Chara. Your sig is great and terrifies me btw.

VOTE: George"Bailey"

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Mene, you're kidding about the fear you got, right?

What's Slayer Gambit?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 27s_Gambit

This is the link that made everyone want to strangle me in my first ever newbie game <3

Oh, I didn't realise I was accidentally pulling Slayer Gambits in most games I play lul

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That sounds like a fantastic idea. How about we all come up with 1 question to formulate the questionnaire? They gotta be vague and nonspecific questions though.

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My question is:

Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?

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Outing who's fear you have doesn't really seem like a bad thing? Maf can kill whoever they want, so it doesn't help them.

If everyone knew each other's fears, Town could collectively choose who gets vigged tonight, essentially a double elimination.

No, because it slightly narrows the pool for mafia guessing fears and winning if we go into the night 2-4 for example.

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I am a ninja visitor, Billy.

I'd give it a 7/10, Chara. Your sig is great and terrifies me btw.

VOTE: George"Bailey"

Why'd you change the vote off Chara?

Wanted "George"Bailey to get involved.

[Hectic]

I think Mene could be town for certain reasons that I'll expand on later.

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I think Mene could be town for certain reasons that I'll expand on later.

statements like this never give me good feelings, Hectic. prove me wrong.

Why? It's a nice reminder.

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In the wcent of this news, I would like to change my question to: "Who are scum, Jingle?"

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*event

Was hacked

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Also yes I was serious hectic, like why do you think I wasn’t?

Huh, I got the feeling you were reaction testing. So, you were aware of any of the repercussions before you claimed?

Unsure if that's scummy or towny, maybe towny for the carelessness to do it before people talk things about mech through.

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Just give a meme answer if the question reveals too much. Looking at you, Billy and George. I can see the fishing rod from here smh

[Hectic]

Just give a meme answer if the question reveals too much. Looking at you, Billy and George. I can see the fishing rod from here smh

I dont know any of you folks in real life, but if the fear is Cthulu, I know you've never faced it in real life, unless maybe you happened to be out on the South Pacific. . .

Me on a Monday : )

I thought about submitting Cthulhu or something Lovecraftion lol, but it's more something I'm in awe with than scared of.

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Why were you ISOing beeboy?

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ah yes, beeboy style reads;
if this person flips scum, then i'll scumread them.

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Game throw will come later

I thought Billy and George were a little sus for the questions they asked btw, because even though scum don't usually openly role fish, this is an opportunity where it gets a lot easier and looks less bad, since you have beeboy creating the movement and questionnaire for you, but the fact all the other questions are pretty gamethrowy as well means that's just the theme people are going for. Fine by me, I crave a challenge.

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[quote="Chara""]Do you have recurring nightmares?[/quote]
Nope. I stopped having nightmares when I started lucid dreaming. I don't lucid dream as often now, but whenever I experience something which would normally be a nightmare, my dream-self rationalises it as a movie I'm watching, or a play I'm participating in, so I never feel like I'm in any peril.

Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?

Failing others. Guilt hits stronger than paranoia.

Is your fear common?

Extremely common in a non-existent way.

Have you tried following advice for tackling your fear and does it work?

No advice has been given.

Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?

The latter for sure.

Have you ever experienced your fear?

Perhaps.

In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?

Yes.

Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?

A remote island would be preferable, but I can't exactly get to one easily; not when all the airlines and cruisers will be suspended and full of zombies. There's a bunch of woods in Wales which isn't too far. I'd have to drive there with camping equipment and supplies, and then set up camp somewhere remote.

How often do you face your fear?

All the time in a way I never do.

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Oh yeah, you've talked about that avatar story before lul

You should go watch the superior live action Avatar: The Last Airbender film. I've heard great things about it, I bet Replica would love it.

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5 pages of pregame!?

Terrifying.

Crumbing your fear to your scum buddy in your first post? I see right through you, Ari.

VOTE: Aristophanes

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It's never too late for RVS. What else do you want to talk about?

Actually, I can explain my secret reason to think Mene is towny now that he's been replaced. I thought he was lying about his fear choice to look for reactions to him outing, but he maintained he was for real when I asked him. Dann shouldn't confirm whether or not he was memeing.

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5 pages of pregame!?

Terrifying.

Crumbing your fear to your scum buddy in your first post? I see right through you, Ari.

VOTE: Aristophanes

2. The Insidious Fears Faction has day chat and may communicate at any time as long as both are alive.

What are you talking about Hectic?

As for your Mena read off the reaction test, what reaction was he testing for? And is this based off his misunderstanding of how the mechanic worked?

That's only according to Jingle, Billy. It's possible Mafia has one of Jingle's fears, and in that case he's gonna lie to us.

Reactions to whether what he's doing (openly outing) is towny or scummy. It gives people something AI to talk about.

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What benefit does scum get other than putting them in a slightly worse position when they don't get NKed, which implies the person's fear they hold is more likely to be town?

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(I say other than, but that's a negative)

The benefit I could see is "looking careless", which tbf is where I was leaning when I thought Mene was telling the truth.

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Also yes I was serious hectic, like why do you think I wasn’t?

Huh, I got the feeling you were reaction testing. So, you were aware of any of the repercussions before you claimed?

Unsure if that's scummy or towny, maybe towny for the carelessness to do it before people talk things about mech through.

I mean I thought the way the fearkills worked was the other way round but mostly I thought it was a trolly fear and just wanted to call out whoever put it (but err, again, sorry to whoever it is I didn’t intend to be mean — assuming you’re are respecting jingle’s wishes and it’s not just a troll)

I don't really get how the fearkills could work the other way around actually. Was Mene thinking he could be killed if anyone guessed what fear he was holding, even though it's not originally his fear? I should've asked him this when he was in the game lul

Mene also knows how much I hate dumbslips though, so I probably shouldn't read into this too much.

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I seee. If he genuinely believed that, and he told the truth about his fear, that's scummy because town!him should be thinking about the repercussions of mafia being able to kill him and end potentially end the game early if they own that fear. It doesn't make sense from a scum or town perspective in terms of mech, so an explanation for it is he's trying to get townread for, like beeboy suggested. Maybe Dann should claim whether the fear claim is true or false after all.

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Yeah, I think it's useful for Dann to claim. I think it's slightly towny if Mene was lying, and scummy if he was telling the truth.

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If he's lying, it's irrelevant whether or not he misunderstood the mechanic. If he's telling the truth, whether or not he misunderstood it is important. I don't think he fakes misunderstanding of the mechanic while telling the truth about his fear though, I don't see the motivation for that, while there is some if the fear is a lie because it lends itself to the reaction test. Ya get me?

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Hectic thinks its townie to lie there and scummy to tell the truth?

Towny because reaction testing like that is generally towny, generates alignment-relevant discussion early on.

Scummy because there's no motivation for scum or town to do it, so there may be some other ulterior cause.

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Hectic thinks its townie to lie there and scummy to tell the truth?

Towny because reaction testing like that is generally towny, generates alignment-relevant discussion early on.

Scummy because there's no motivation for scum or town to do it, so there may be some other ulterior cause.

i'm surprised you read it as a reaction test, actually. the way Mena claimed, and then apologized a few times for making light of the fear, appeared genuine to me.

Maybe, but I thought it was more likely to be a reaction test because it came from Mene. He's faked some stuff like this before at the start of games iirc

Billy, what about my logic doesn't add up?

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If he's lying, it's irrelevant whether or not he misunderstood the mechanic. If he's telling the truth, whether or not he misunderstood it is important. I don't think he fakes misunderstanding of the mechanic while telling the truth about his fear though, I don't see the motivation for that, while there is some if the fear is a lie because it lends itself to the reaction test. Ya get me?

If hes lying about understanding the mechanic, what type of reaction is he looking for thats AI?

Isn't this at least a bit fishing for other people's "fear role" which (if he understood the mechanic) sets him up as scum for a free additional kill?

Idk specifically, but there's gonna be readable reactions to something like that. Like, beeboy's reaction in thinking there may be some ulterior motive there aligns with mine and is towny.

I don't get the second line. Are you trying to day roleblock me?

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What does you hiking across mountains have anything to do with this? That's pretty cool though, is playing mafia while hiking a good combo?

I don't think he was telling the truth about fear role and lying about his understanding is what I'm saying. There's like no motivation in that, if he's scum, it's really blatant fishing and his target is very unlikely to respond.

You're assuming the first is a disagreement on the premise, why isn't the second point also that? If I reworded it to "He helped push us out of RVS with something to talk about", would that help? It's not something concrete, but it's town-indicative.

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Nice, called it.

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What does you hiking across mountains have anything to do with this? That's pretty cool though, is playing mafia while hiking a good combo?

I don't think he was telling the truth about fear role and lying about his understanding is what I'm saying. There's like no motivation in that, if he's scum, it's really blatant fishing and his target is very unlikely to respond.

You're assuming the first is a disagreement on the premise, why isn't the second point also that? If I reworded it to "He helped push us out of RVS with something to talk about", would that help? It's not something concrete, but it's town-indicative.

@Billy

I reflexively roleblock anyone who ignores @s

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Maybe we need to leave the tracks and start digging down instead.

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I mean, assuming people dont immediately vig the fear they know, then yeah. If everyone outs what they submitted, and what they have (late game), then we can trace all the kills back.

What reason does scum have to lie then, if they assume people aren't gonna vig immediately?

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I cannot really verbalize why I feel that way at this time does someone wanna help me out here

I think this too, but maybe a different reason? I think scum would assume most people are telling the truth.

Thus having no reason to question an assertion like that.

This is a solvey post and I recently discovered the new flavour for scum!George is being solvey. I'm onto you.

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I like the new avatar, Isis. Did you get a better or even more exclusive scholarship? You seem happier now.

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menalque's entrance was pretty transparently a fakeclaim which i didnt really see the town motivation for. ive fakeclaimed as town a bit so like, not inherently scummy, but if they were fishing for reactions idk how they expected that to work. hence my scumread. dannflor instantly walking it back doesn't sway me either way.

I think it's a fairly harmless lie; it's obviously disprovable on a fear massclaim so there's no benefit for scum, so there's not really any harm in fake claiming and then walking it back midwaybear into d1 or whatever. What's the scum-motivation for it if you disagree with the town-motivation?

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walking it back midwaybear into d1 or whatever

???

*midway

You ever played with someone so much that they start taking over your auto-correct?

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my question:

How much do you agree with the idea that "fear is a superpower?"

you can offer a number on a scale of 1-10 or answer in vague ways or however

have fun with it

Forgot to answer this. I'm gonna assume you mean inducing fear in the heart of others, and in that case it's an ez 10. You can rule the world if you strike enough fear in the right places.

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Where do you think I'm fear-fishing, Ari?

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Ari we're supposed to be pushing some wagons to enliven the dayplay not policying Dannflor for being a smidge above average at scum

pedit: yes I read online somewhere that the class of dreams is common
I'd probably also have anecdotal evidence too if dream discussion wasn't altogether too intimate and inappropriate to suggest broaching with even my most intimate friends but totally fine to discuss in this google indexed game thread with a mix of internet strangers

This reminded me of something I don't think I've ever shared with anyone irl so it seems fitting to do so here: there was a night where I was lucid for most of the time I was dreaming, but during it there were these moments where the dream fell apart and I entered complete darkness. While in this void, it almost felt like I could wake up very easily if I wanted to and could almost feel my limbs, but I'd "will" myself to enter my dreams again each time. I wonder if that was like the phase between light and deep sleep. I guess that's not really personal but just a weird phenomena.

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Dannflor/Hectic team

I would honestly love this

God, Dann... that's not how you reduce someone's suspicions when they nail the scumteam.

+1 for sure though

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Where do you think I'm fear-fishing, Ari?

Something feels off and they appear to be, uh, fear-phishing I guess I'd call it and that jumps out to me in a few instances where I thing it has more of a scum incentive than a town one.

I'm curious where and how you distinguish this from fear-fishing the rest of the player list has done

Also, could you answer these, Ari?

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I don't really get a lot of examples you've pointed out there, Ari. Spider thing was a joke, I recommended nonspecific/vague questions because I was afraid people could share too much, I hadn't fully accepted the game throwing embrace of death at that point ya know. Very curious about your theories on the zombie apocalypse thing, I'd like to hear them because I think it'll give me a better feel for whether you're approaching this in good faith.

"Lol their buddy knows something about the "bad at mafia" fear and this is the major link to Dannflor that I saw. I am literally pretty sure they accidentally outed themselves as a team and I am probably going to push hard on it.
It's a Menaflor/Hectic scumteam. I know it." - What does that post have to do with Dannflor? The bad at mafia fear isn't actually a thing.

Also, I don't get how that question to GeorgeBailey is a fish either.

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Ari is towny actually tbh.

Why? I don't like him honing in on me for fishing like behaviour when that's something everyone's been doing, and his confidence in Menaflor/Hectic feels misplaced.

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Yeah, maybe lul. I guess Ari doesn't really seem like the type of person to come out faking a 9D conspiracy theory like that as scum. Provided he can actually give some reasoning behind that theory in the first place given I'm still not sure what the basis of it is, because if it's just based on us townleaning/reading each other that's eh.

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Isis feels pretty towny in tone, and beeboy seems really similar to what I've seen of town!him so far, although I haven't seen his scumgame so should probably check that at some point. Agree with Nahdia on Dann's beeboy read feeling too confident given the reason, especially since scum can recognise and call stuff towny too, at least easier than calling stuff scummy. The sequence where he disliked one of Billy's posts and changed his mind a few posts later was towny though.

Why didn't you like my reply to Ari, Dann?

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VOTE: Geo"rgeBai"ley

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Yeah, I think it's useful for Dann to claim. I think it's slightly towny if Mene was lying, and scummy if he was telling the truth.

Mena seemed truthful to me. i read the whole interaction as a net scum one for Mena, and it contributed to my current read on you.
but given your explanation, my interests now lie elsewhere.

oh but i like Pilgrim's vote anyway. i suppose there isn't anything else i'd like to pursue yet.

This is scummy because Chara says its "interests now lie elsewhere" implying they've spotted soemthing else that's scummy or worth looking into, but then the next post admit they don't actually have anything. I think scum are more likely to throw away a line like that without actually have a thought process behind it.

VOTE: Chara

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All this talk about Hearthstone is making me crave coming back to it, but I know it's a terrible idea and I shouldn't. I think the skill ceiling peak was Patron Warrior and I should just be happy I witnessed that.

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All this talk about Hearthstone is making me crave coming back to it, but I know it's a terrible idea and I shouldn't. I think the skill ceiling peak was Patron Warrior and I should just be happy I witnessed that.

Download mtg arena and I'll teach you how to draft well :wink:

Isn't that like really expensive or am I thinking of something else

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Do you normally ask this many questions, Billy?

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Ari, have you played with Hectic before?

I can answer this: I've played with Ari on a super secret alt called Firebringer. It's my gimmick alt.

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I'm down for a 1v1, Billy. I support Arsenal so it shouldn't be too hard to start one

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Do you normally ask this many questions, Billy?

You've played with me before. You know that most of my engagement is asking questions. You've felt a bit off most game. Like more serious than normal. I know your town game is really light and playful with content, but the content tends to be buried. This is quite different from that.

VOTE: Hectic

That was a while ago and I couldn't remember. I checked your meta after asking and found you do it as both alignments, but thought I'd let you answer first anyway.

Here's my last town game: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83935 (I was Cthylla). I play more seriously in general than I used to when I almost exclusively just gimmicked.

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shit that firebringer thing is actually the type of thing you would have done in the past. And you did it before I made the vote, so I dont think thats a response.

UNVOTE:

Have you played with Ari before Hectic? Because I get scumreading you the first time someone plays with you, because it was what I was doing the first time I played with you. But the weird jokes are an integral part of your town game so if Ari's played with you before, then I'm worried that Ari's taking advantage of that situation.

I have, but it was under the very stealthy alt of "Hoctac". You remember me, Ari?

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hectic/dannflor is where im at rn. dont like how at the bottom of page 19, hectic agrees dannflor's slot has some scumminess, then throws a random georgebailey vote and then votes chara.

I lean town on him overall. Still think the lie from Mene was pretty towny.

If he was my partner, I would probably tunnel and start a toxic 1v1 with him - I've always wanted to do one of those. Isis can attest to this.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

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actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

[Hectic]

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

[Hectic]

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

[Hectic]

Sigh, I knew shouldn't have been spamming submit when the page was frozen.

[Hectic]

Don't play dumb, I know you're behind this, George. Hacked the servers to make me look bad, huh?

[Hectic]

I am almost caughtup and theee is a lot to say and respond to but it will have to wait until after wirk today. However,

shit that firebringer thing is actually the type of thing you would have done in the past. And you did it before I made the vote, so I dont think thats a response.

UNVOTE:

Have you played with Ari before Hectic? Because I get scumreading you the first time someone plays with you, because it was what I was doing the first time I played with you. But the weird jokes are an integral part of your town game so if Ari's played with you before, then I'm worried that Ari's taking advantage of that situation.

I have, but it was under the very stealthy alt of "Hoctac". You remember me, Ari?

I had a long standing tinfoil hat theory that Hectic and Hoctac were the same person but I never went down the path of delving into it. Every time I saw a post by one tho I thought to myself "but aren't you..., but isnt that...

I feel like inserting a spiderman meme with hectic and hoctac pointing at each other but I am at work as mentioned. Ho hum.

There was a surprising amount of people who didn't connect the dots. Someone told clidd Hoctac was an alt of Hectic and he just wouldn't believe them. That was supposed to be my 100% gimmick and never take games too seriously alt, but that didn't last for long when I got invested in a few of them...

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Don't play dumb, I know you're behind this, George. Hacked the servers to make me look bad, huh?

I can't believe you found me out already. Is this why they call you Hectic?

Oh no, I'd forgotten about this...

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Oh yeah lul, that townblock was fun. shiki too strong though.

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I don't really get a lot of examples you've pointed out there, Ari. Spider thing was a joke, I recommended nonspecific/vague questions because I was afraid people could share too much, I hadn't fully accepted the game throwing embrace of death at that point ya know. Very curious about your theories on the zombie apocalypse thing, I'd like to hear them because I think it'll give me a better feel for whether you're approaching this in good faith.

"Lol their buddy knows something about the "bad at mafia" fear and this is the major link to Dannflor that I saw. I am literally pretty sure they accidentally outed themselves as a team and I am probably going to push hard on it.
It's a Menaflor/Hectic scumteam. I know it." - What does that post have to do with Dannflor? The bad at mafia fear isn't actually a thing.

Also, I don't get how that question to GeorgeBailey is a fish either.

Hey, Ari, could you explain some of this stuff?

[Hectic]

I don't really know where to move my vote. I think I get why Billy sees a difference in me based on the games I've played with him.

[Hectic]

Maybe this
VOTE: Nahdia

[Hectic]

I can see in that post you probably meant generally rather than something specifically, so my reasoning for the vote was void. You're back in the neutral route.

Nahdia's Dann/Hectic solve could be tagging off of Ari's maybe
Otherwise, I just disagree with their stance on the whole Mene lie thing and don't get the reasoning for it being scummy. I guess disagreement on a read doesn't mean they're scum but even if they disagree with the town motivation I was talking about they haven't explained why it's scum-motivated. Oh, and I think I asked them about that.

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Billy Pilgrim (3): Isis, GeorgeBailey, Dannflor,
Nahdia (1): Hectic,
Dannflor (1): Aristophanes,
Chara (0):
GeorgeBailey (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Hectic (0):
Isis (0):
beeboy (0):

No Elimination (0):

Not Voting (5): Chara, Nahdia, beeboy, Billy Pilgrim,

The Deadline for Day 1 is August 28th at noon (CST), in (expired on 2020-08-28 13:30:00).

With 9 Alive, it will take 5 to force someone to succumb to their fear.

did i unvote Hectic somewhere? or did i vote him before votes were being counted.
VOTE: Hectic either way i suppose.
first pass i don't think scum Pilgrim is this suspicious of a minor townread on him.

Hectic still feels like he's looking for a defensible position to take, rather than one he believes in. the vote on me seemed to be tied to that one comment, and was removed as soon as there was an explanation for it, and his read on Nahdia feels similar in that it's tied to a discrete, specific event. something he can be right or wrong about concretely.

You're right that I don't strongly believe in Nahdia being scum, I don't have any strong scumreads rn, I'm just prodding stuff that's pinging me.

What do you think of my actual reasons for voting Nahdia?

[Hectic]

Nahdia, could you get back to me on the whole Mene-lie-town-not-but-why-scum-motivated thing?

[Hectic]

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

Interesting and insightful thought from Dann here. Town.

[Hectic]

i forgot

Why did you find #437 AI in anyway

MAKING ME GO BACK SEVERAL PAGES CAUSE YOU DIDN'T USE POST LINKS IS ALSO TOXIC!

437

[Hectic]

That's fair regarding weightiness.

Don't you think Mene lying is something scum can see as pushable, just because it's weird and it was a lie? I don't know if Nahdia is ignoring me or missing my questions, but that's why I'm trying to get out of them

why

it's scum-motivated or something more likely to come from scum.

[Hectic]

literally wasnt even aware ari had the same read. this feels like a stretch. like a round about way of saying "step off down scumread me" instead of just actually addressing me.

Idk if I should be saying this now with regards to the weightiness of my vote thing, but I'm going to anyway because I might forget afterwards.

I think this is slightly towny because Nahdia is actively admitting against and shooting down Dann's reason to townread them, while picking a fight with him.

Dann, do you still think your reason is valid with Nahdia saying this?

[Hectic]

Sure, but the point isn't that there's nothing to townread Menaflor for, the question is why it's something to scumread him for.

I get good feels from Dann because he feels similar to a recently completed town game with him. Could probably go more in depth when I'm not on mobile.

[Hectic]

Why are you ignoring me, Nahdia?

[Hectic]

menalque's entrance was pretty transparently a fakeclaim which i didnt really see the town motivation for. ive fakeclaimed as town a bit so like, not inherently scummy, but if they were fishing for reactions idk how they expected that to work. hence my scumread. dannflor instantly walking it back doesn't sway me either way.

I think it's a fairly harmless lie; it's obviously disprovable on a fear massclaim so there's no benefit for scum, so there's not really any harm in fake claiming and then walking it back midwaybear into d1 or whatever. What's the scum-motivation for it if you disagree with the town-motivation?

I can see in that post you probably meant generally rather than something specifically, so my reasoning for the vote was void. You're back in the neutral route.

Nahdia's Dann/Hectic solve could be tagging off of Ari's maybe
Otherwise, I just disagree with their stance on the whole Mene lie thing and don't get the reasoning for it being scummy. I guess disagreement on a read doesn't mean they're scum but even if they disagree with the town motivation I was talking about they haven't explained why it's scum-motivated. Oh, and I think I asked them about that.

Nahdia, could you get back to me on the whole Mene-lie-town-not-but-why-scum-motivated thing?

That's fair regarding weightiness.

Don't you think Mene lying is something scum can see as pushable, just because it's weird and it was a lie? I don't know if Nahdia is ignoring me or missing my questions, but that's why I'm trying to get out of them

why

it's scum-motivated or something more likely to come from scum.

You missed all of these?

[Hectic]

I really don't like 604. Nahdia's admitting they were calling Menalque's lie scummy based on it "being a transparently obvious lie", when clearly this wasn't the case, as most people bought it and were even sus of me doubting it, but the scum-indicative thing is that Nahdia's arguing that how convincing the lie is should reflect how scummy it is.

Also, I don't like the dichotomy where it's either a pointless lie that's scummy or it's trolling but Nahdia thinks that's out of character for him, Menalque has a jokey attitude and openwolfs as town a reasonable amount. Have you played with Menalque before, Nahdia? Where did you get the impression that it'd be out of character for him?

Chara, what are your thoughts on this? You said you wanted to let Nahdia respond first before you said your part.

[Hectic]

591 is a town post. Isis can fight me about it.
VOTE: Dannflor

though the player i'd most want to hear from now is probably Nahdia.
584 and Hectic's general demeanor feels like he's playing mediator and not investigator.
but i'd love feedback, as far as i can remember our only significant game together i spent knowing he was town, so i don't want to use it as comparison but keep subconsciously doing so.

I am phone posting because Pandora is using my computer chair.
591 is greener than it is red.Why are you just naming a post, saying it's townie without why, then naked voting a different slot though? You don't seem to be trying to ensure Billy survives today as much as much as ensuring your hands are clean.

As far as the compromise wagons go I would prefer picking Dannflor for his "stretch"y progressions over GB. I don't think beeboy's gripe makes much sense, it's possible and even common to perceive a strange interaction and not know whether it's a faithless mispush or pillowbussing. So common the invert version of that is in the first part of this post.
Only finding one slot or two in this game salient isn't bad on its own when you consider the way this day has gone.

We just finished a game with Dann where he had similar "stretchy" posts. Why do you think these ones are scum-indicative and not just more of the same?

I don't want to lynch Dann, I think he's probably town. Also, I'm a huge fan of Spiffybringer and I can tell Dann is too based on his avatar. Us Spiffybringer fans have gotta stick together.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Geo"rgeBai"ley

@Hectic, why this vote after 473

I had nothing on him and wanted him to post more.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

VOTE: Ari

Hey Ari, do you like playing as scum?

I think this towny from Billy. He's vanity voting someone who a lot of people have delcared townreads on, rather than voting for his counterwagon or anyone that's more pushable. He was questioning Ari a fair bit and had some suspicion on him earlier too, so I think the progression is there and it's less likely this vote is scum!Billy trying to look non-survivalistic for towncred.

[Hectic]

I found a detective power up.

[Hectic]

Actually, Mario looks a little too smug there.

Maybe I should change my avatar to Luigi... it might be time.

[Hectic]

---

Which one is superior?

[Hectic]

Yikes

I see I have drawn the compromise ballot.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Ari

shrug

Haven't caught up properly but I townlean both Dann and Billy so don't really want to vote there. Ari is an unsure read, he scumread me early for NAI "fishing" and then just hasn't really progressed or changed from that since.

Nahdia was my only scumread and there's no takers for that.

[Hectic]

If I get dunked, please post 1 or 2 spooky Luigi's Mansion GIFs in my honour tomorrow. It's the least you could do for me.

[Hectic]

Why do you dislike my Nahdia push, Dann?

[Hectic]

What I'm trying to say there is that it's scummy because however convincing Menalque's lie is shouldn't effect whatever scum-equity it has. Both alignments have reasons to lie so it didn't feel natural for Nahdia to see how "convincing" the lie is to be an AI thing. And whether they scumread it or townread it, honing in on something where it's possible to go "lol, lies are bad" is something that seems like what scum are gonna see as pushable rather than stuff that naturally seems different between town and scum in this setup.

[Hectic]

You guys don't have whiteboards where you map all your reads and thoughts out? I thought that was standard stuff.

[Hectic]

Hectic do you not have any hard townreads? You said you're best scumread is Nahdia and nobody's into that and games go like that sometimes, but I'm not remembering a hard townread from you all game off of recollection and that does seem a little off par for how much this game has developed.

I like you and Dann for town most. Dann's very similar to Purgatory and it doesn't feel like he's voting me in bad faith.
You I've been townreading mostly for tone for the entire game. It felt like you were just spewing your thoughts out as they came to you.

[Hectic]

If I had to make a gutsy readslist:

Isis
Dannflor, replacing Menalque
Billy Pilgrim
Chara
beeboy
Jangle
GeorgeBailey
Aristophanes
Nahdia

[Hectic]

He's been reasonably helpful with the VCs but I'm not a fan of how quiet he's been this game.

[Hectic]

GeorgeBailey is basically sitting on the null line. In chove mafia, he popped in every once in a while to make some solvey posts and then left the thread again for a day or 2. He's been similar here in that sense but I never got around to checking whether that's an AI thing for him.

[Hectic]

King Boo would've been a great fear to submit lul

I answered seriously though: It's the giggling emoji. No one in their right mind should ever be dropping that in a game of mafia. It's just wrong in every way.

Like, what on earth is wrong with or ?? I should start a petition to replace it.

[Hectic]

I thought you said I was the worst of people you "didn't have a read on", beeboy

[Hectic]

IC

I guess that's what happens when you get a game with a playerlist like this.

[Hectic]

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

actually, it only meant that i was satisfied with your response and so i would be looking elsewhere for something i liked better. then followed that with the realization that no, nothing else was jumping out at me so you remained a topic of interest.
why would i be more likely to throw away a line like that (in the way you read it) as scum if i didn't actually have anything?

IC, I thought you were referring to something specific. Scum could throw that out because sometimes they just write stuff that sounds towny and then only fabricate the thought process behind it if asked or if they have to.

I'm an Innocent Child btw. I pretty obviously crumbed it here, the spam was no accident. Surprised no one noticed.

[Hectic]

Why can't I be scum with GeorgeBailey? Because of the way he's been focusing on me?

[Hectic]

Inconsistency on what? I don't think the lie thing is something that's the result of skimming.

If you're talking about your Hectic/Dann solve, I never really thought you were scum for that.

[Hectic]

I think you're scummy for the way you approached the lie, not any inconsistency in your posts.

[Hectic]

I'm gonna call it a night. If I'm brutally murdered in my sleep, all I ask is that you provide a GIF of Luigi getting thomped along with your hammer of choice. Please and thank you.

[Hectic]

The Deadline for Day 1 is August 28th at 12:30 (CST), in (expired on 2020-08-28 13:30:00).

Someone might want to hammer. Unless you're leaving it last second for dramatic effect.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Player	Role	Fear
Aristophanes	Public Speaking	Losing Loved Ones
Chara	Getting Lost	Swarm of Ladybugs
Billy Pilgrim	Losing a Friend	Nuclear War
Dannflor	?	?
Nahdia	Swarm of Ladybugs	?
Isis	?	?
beeboy	?	?
Hectic	?	?
GeorgeBailey	?	?

thinking on it, maybe not everyone should claim their role. but fears should be massclaimed for maximum carnage tonight.

No, because if we massclaim fears but not roles, it means scum can fakeclaim a fear that isn't even part of the setup. If there's 2-3 unclaimed players, each of those unclaimed players would assume one of the others had that role, and then none of them would shoot at the scum who claimed the fake fear.

[Hectic]

Ooh, Ari had my fear and Role! I'm invincible!

Sucks that Billy was town but now I know cant read him.

Reevaluting everything... I think I'm better with a Hectic exe than a Dann exe. I think the way he reacted to his wagon was drastically different than Ari.

Why is it relevant how I reacted to my wagon is different from how Ari did?

[Hectic]

I think we just massclaim everything to give us a chance of pulling it back if town is launched today.

[Hectic]

My scumpool is [GeorgeBailey, Nahdia, beeboy]. I still townread Isis and Dann.

I like Nahdia better for coming out today continuing to push Dann over the easier pushes of me/George, considering it's likely mylo.
George has come out today how I'd expect him to if he's scum. Explain why you think I'm scum pls, George.

[Hectic]

Ari was on 1 vote when I voted him. Dann/Billy were both on 2 votes but I liked them for town so didn't want to vote there. That's like the opposite of being survivalistic lol

[Hectic]

How exactly?

You've come out suspecting/pushing me, which scum!you kinda needs to do because I'm pretty sure us two have the lowest public standing right now.

[Hectic]

So you think town!me would instead continue vanity voting Nahdia there and allow myself to be launched rather than voting another wagon who I think ~could~ be scum?



Mario is doubting if you really believe I'm scummy for that.

[Hectic]

I like Nahdia better for coming out today continuing to push Dann over the easier pushes of me/George, considering it's likely mylo.
George has come out today how I'd expect him to if he's scum. Explain why you think I'm scum pls, George.

This is strange.

I feel like I'm roughly the same "tier" as you when you consider the entire games reads. What makes me a harder push than you?

Also, like maybe if it's a GB/Nahdia team then Nahdia is hesitant to bus? I'd normally assume that scum would bus scum!GB in this game state due to how likely it is he gets eliminated, but Nahdia might not feel secure enough in her standing for that cred to carry her. I dunno, it feels like something to consider.

Maybe. It felt different in my head for some reason, probably because it's skewed by me townreading you.

If it's Nahdia/George, I'd expect them to focus fire someone launchable for the win today. Or

maybe

, I guess they could split suspicion between two like Dann/Hectic and then pivot if required based on which has the wheels.
I don't think bussing is as worth it here because then town get probably 2 more shots at killing them, but that depends on who holds who's fear and all that.

[Hectic]

Nahdia, has Dann's recent posting affected your desire to launch him?

[Hectic]

I have a headache. Not like metaphor oh this game is hard it gives me headaches I have a headache and stomachache and they're rare for me.

Take it easy!

Spoiler:

Do you want to take the red-blue pill, or the blue-yellow pill?

[Hectic]

a bit, yeah. right now im leaning towards gbailey. sorry im not being more thorough, big sad this weekend. ill try and give some substantial content later today.

Alright, take your time <3

[Hectic]

Hectic, can you go into your read on Isis?

She's been voluntarily spewing whatever's on her mind this game. Shows she's more interested here, while in Purgatory she was asking people stuff or waiting for people to ask her for her reads/stances instead of just offering them herself.

Also, nothing from her has pinged me as bad faithy like her suspicion on me for caring too much about being scumread did last game. That said, the biggest reason I had any suspicion on her last game was because of dodgy associations based on stuff Norwee/GC said, generally my read accuracy on Isis is pretty bad because I have a bias for townreading her lol

[Hectic]

Reevaluting everything... I think I'm better with a Hectic exe than a Dann exe. I think the way he reacted to his wagon was drastically different than Ari.

Hey, George, you stated this like you'd been considering a Dann axe the previous day, or had some kind of suspicion on the two of us, but I couldn't find anything in your ISO that suggested you did. What were your thoughts on us D1?

[Hectic]

I want Ari. The elitelling is pretty intense with him, and on top of that they have been prodded and the only thing they responded to was my question of them, and their answer certainly fits my theory of scum given the gamestate. Can we wagon that slot?

I scum read the slot but meta really only works 100% when I have data that suggests he does it as scum.
Really the only thing we know is it's "abnormal" for him to make a comment like that which is good enough for me.

But I am not going to say I made a conclusive meta case, I'd really just be making a shot in the dark.

And I have kept in touch with Elli, so I have a pretty strong understanding of his school of thought and what works. I didn't really enjoy using meta before I met him because I mainly thought it was used in a flawed manner.
I have yet to actually apply anything Elli taught me this game mainly because nothing he has, has really come up lol.

I'm really interested to hear about this btw. Can I PM you post-game or this like a forbidden dark art that must be kept hidden?

[Hectic]

why did you do the whole "im gonna die here's my fear"

I didn't factor in a lot of things when doing that, I just react negatively to pressure because I am a bad mafia player.

I just wanted to know if I was going to die and curiosity got the better of me.
I agree that at worst that was scummy and at best an action that helps me as no alignment.

What do you mean by this? How would you know whether or not you're going to die by outing your fear?

[Hectic]

No, but that Dann-wall came after 878. I'm asking what made you think about a Hectic or Dann launch dichotomy, like what made you consider Dann after you were townreading him on D1?

[Hectic]

Isis ignored my pill question and I am very concerned.

[Hectic]

You think George and I enter today with the plan to lightly bus? Would make more sense for us to bus harder or push something else rather than what we're doing right now. Or at the very least some mini cab driving.

[Hectic]

I think I agree with you on beeboy btw. His whole attitude and emotion is another layer to fake as scum, and it'd be strange for scum!beeboy to take that angle while having disjointed/quickly changing reads with little explanation - which is probably just more likely to be town indecisiveness rather than sloppy scum play (no offence meant beeboy because if you're scum you clearly calculated that I would fall into this trap)
Unless I guess his attitude/emotion 

isn't

 faked and is just how scum!him is feeling right now, but then I don't think he lets that defeatist emotion leak through into his posts, because scum are probably gonna think that just looks scummy.

[Hectic]

Which would mean my solve is George + Nahdia

Hum

[Hectic]

I still like George for scum. I don't think I really disproved anything from his survivalism case by stating the obvious point of "I would rather compromise wagon someone over dying", that should be apparent and what the case was based on in the first place, so does that really change town!George's read on me from a scumread to null? I think scum!George might've noticed no one was biting on the Hectic push, and so switched to acting aimlessly instead because that might look towny instead.

[Hectic]

Deer Dann,

Spoiler:

Are you out of your scumrange? I heard you have a deepwolf rep and I'm wondering whether I should be worried.

Humblest Abodes,
Hoctac

[Hectic]

Thank you for the letter, Mr. Flor, it shall be framed. I asked it because I wanted to see how you'd answer.

People keep bringing up this legendary AliVPine game so maybe it's about time I gave it a skim.

[Hectic]

Which would mean my solve is George + Nahdia

Hum

I keep bouncing between this and you/GB

I just don't have as many reasons to town read you as I did in Purgatory and it's making me doubt myself

Dw, I'll sort that out for you right now

Spoiler:

There we go

[Hectic]

Don't you dare under any circumstances

See, this only makes me more curious...

I could skip over the Bad parts

[Hectic]

I could skip over the Bad parts

I have bad news...

There's no bad parts to skip over and it's 100% sickly wholesome content?

[Hectic]

So that's why Pink Ball's role in the hydra minigame game had the appreciation page mechanic lol
That's pretty wholesome

[Hectic]

Dann's tone feels so different in this game. He feels a lot less composed(?)

[Hectic]

Okay, I can tell this is a very

special

game. It even has this player called popsofctown who was using Isis's old avatar. Maybe she's a fan of yours?

[Hectic]

Why am I even reading this. I should be metaing GeorgeBailey, not Dann

Conclusion is that Dann feels tonally very different, and has moments where I'm pinged by stuff that sounds kinda fake in tone. Haven't detected any of that here.

Last time I metaed GeorgeBailey all I got was that he was really nice across all his games and not much else lul. Gonna save that one for tomorrow.

[Hectic]

The marathons landed at a

very bad

time.

[Hectic]

Nahdia look!
Dannflor look
Hectic look
beeboy look
GeorgeBailey look
Jingle look
she came out today
she's here
look!
looklooklooklook

She looks OP.

Also, does this mean you're gonna be changing your avatar again??

[Hectic]

Valid point. You wouldn't be the same without your scholarship status, it's an integral part of your character.

[Hectic]

Also, your title

[Hectic]

beeboy, are you still busy or not feeling motivated?

[Hectic]

Had a brief look at GeorgeBailey meta and his posting is generally sporadic as both alignments, so that doesn't help.

My reads haven't changed much. Gut-wise I'm now at:

Dann
Isis
beeboy
Nahdia
GeorgeBailey

[Hectic]

Sorry if this is wrong, George. I think I've been set on this for quite a while.

VOTE: George

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Chara terrifies me. Dann's WIM on the final day was also scary.

Thanks for modding, Jangle! This game was a lot of fun.

[Hectic]

To compensate, I give you permission to pocket me without mercy next time you roll scum against me. Not that I'd probably have a choice, Mr. Deepwolf.

[Hectic]

To compensate, I give you permission to pocket me without mercy next time you roll scum against me. Not that I'd probably have a choice, Mr. Deepwolf.

Thanks!

grumble grumble grumble grumble

That was too soon.

[Hectic]

I thought you got me when you called out my lying about the fear I received but you were just scum :(

I could just tell you were lying though! Wasn't because I was scum

no redactions for scum PT, Jangle

[Hectic]

I'm glad <3

Doesn't stop me from being a little scared of you though