Micro 966 - DDD: DD? [game over!]

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how are there 8 pa-

never mind, i'll probably be adding a few as well today ^^

also, Rawr!

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Like you decided to be the word police, so I'm questioning why you decided to be the word police.
Am I not allowed to do that?

Who is policing whom? I made a passing remark to a player who is not you, to which they replied cordially. You have spent half your ISO defending your right to be obstinate, while positing that I am an instigator, and ironically implying that I am too personally invested.

you are so incredibly defensive about this it's actually pinging me

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Please refrain from using that word, Dongempire.

I am referring to the use of the word "lynch" rather than "elimination" or another similar term.

why do u care

The historical connotation does not translate well into the context of the game, and has potential to personally offend some users. I find it odd that you would choose to argue about something not-game-related you presumably do not care for, but this is not the time nor the place for such discussion.

Like you decided to be the word police, so I'm questioning why you decided to be the word police.
Am I not allowed to do that?

Let's keep this all above board friends, there's no need to start an argument over this. Why don't we keep this type of discussion to a seperate thread

i... disagree? I think (hope?) ali was onto more then just the core of the discussion here

I really dislike the paladin coming out of that discussion, and not for reasons related to actual content of discussion

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also ive been toying with the idea of NLing until D3 while i was working.

Cons: we lose a ML
Pros: getting within 2 scum is easier

Overall the mechanic makes a 2 scum lylo much more dangerous for scum since by then one scum has been poed minimum.
Would like to hear other's thoughts on this.

exactly how serious are you with this suggestion? and what size is your neck?

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flopz ive heard scary things about you

Please ignore what you've heard. I've literally played 2 games here and stopped after that because of the toxicity. I was hoping it might be better this time but maybe not

oh man i hope you aren't seeing toxicity in this game right now because… there isn't any. Yet.

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New ping: Alisae getting oddly defensive when telling em it was a joke.
Why didn't you vote me if I felt off to you, Ali?

do you have any buttons left unpushed, grumpy?

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Ico hasn't even posted yet

WHY DON'T YOU TOWNREAD ME YET WHYYYYY

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Paladin gives town vibes

you should start explaining what exactly you townread about paladin

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I still don't like your dismissal of my entire line of questioning. How is it not potentially indicative of alignment if Alisae is showing cognitive dissonance while going out of eir way to pick fights about non-game content during the Random Voting Stage?

ur right here, i think it's somewhat allignment indicative of Ali to push that line of questioning. I think it's town.
What's troubling me is that you seem to be missing the entire point.

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I'm not sure if you are just a stubborn person, who doesn't like to get some pushback. Or if you just got caught pants down while trying to look like a goOd tOwnIe

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it's pretty Obvious where i'm voting now, right?

VOTE: Dong you think you can policy lynch me?

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hello iconeum how are you

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Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

If you think you can leash me to only talk about 2 slots, you are sadly mistaken

i've done my catchup, and i've commented on everything i wanted to comment on

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also, if you think this was spam, i've got some baaaaaad new for ya

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Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking

the pressure that

Paladin

is putting on Hopkirk

, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST

or because of their push on Hop

?

there

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Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

If you think you can leash me to only talk about 2 slots, you are sadly mistaken

i've done my catchup, and i've commented on everything i wanted to comment on

I am sorry to hear that VOTE: Ico
I see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

perfect

now, talk to me about that scum motivation

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VOTE: windowns

for added drama

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(that is an actual mistype - i do not mean anything by it woops)

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awkward

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so windows

your thoughts are literally:

-ask ico to give thoughts on 2 slots
-ico says no
->ico clearly has scum motivation for this

how?

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I am sorry to hear that VOTE: IcoI see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

there is so much wrong with this i don't even know where to start but

-why would you be 'sorry to hear' something you think comes from scum? This is very LAMIST, and pingy.
-i'm not dodging anything, i've directly confronted you with my answer

-I REALLY wanna know exactxly what scum motivation you see

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ico caught bullying

please close your eyes for a minute, this might turn ugly

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icon y u spam??????

i saw that Grumpy has a 60 post lead, can't let it get away like that

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do i remember Cyrus? hmmm

not really

care to refresh my memory?

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Actually with your level of spamming maybe you're a cyrus alt too.
Well regardless, question remains.

I mean eh, i'd happily stop spamming but having someone call me out for nonsensical spamming on *random* stuff while I was just doing my catchup ain't helping lol

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wtf is ableist language

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do i remember Cyrus? hmmm

not really

care to refresh my memory?

Newbie game, it had formerfish and me, i replaced out, you were almost policied
The game was like 300 pages

nope

nothing

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I asked you to explain yourself Ico and added a vote to get you to do so, and your reaction is to OMGUS?
Either you are extremely childish or you are scum trying to deflect from taking more concise stances.
And having skimmed your recent games I am leaning towards the latter.
It looks to me you are acting in a way to make something stick instead of analyzing already existing content. i.e. you give some reply to a few posts and then end up trying to shade a random slot like its still RVS.

Also as a side note, please do not use gross ableist language. I am uncomfortable with it and its grossly inappropriate to use in game.I will not be asking you directly again.

you most certainly did not skim my recent games

but maybe: what games exactly did you skim?

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viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80175

Really dont remember this? It was a historic game, you even helped spam it into 250 pages long

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ofcourse i remember that lol

nobody forgets cyrus

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I asked you to explain yourself Ico and added a vote to get you to do so, and your reaction is to OMGUS?

You didn't ask me to explain MYSELF, you asked me to provide my thoughts on something. I said no. And yes, sure. You may interpret my reaction as OMGUS.

Either you are extremely childish or you are scum trying to deflect from taking more concise stances.
And having skimmed your recent games I am leaning towards the latter.

If you truly read recent games, you'd come to the conclusion that me OMGUS'ing is VERY much town. So I'm extremely interested what games you supposedly read that make you come to an alternate conclusion.

It looks to me you are acting in a way to make something stick instead of analyzing already existing content. i.e. you give some reply to a few posts and then end up trying to shade a random slot like its still RVS.

My dude. This IS still RVS. Suck it up. And take a chill pill while ur at it. If you think you have any authority to dick me around, you are wrong.

Also as a side note, please do not use gross ableist language. I am uncomfortable with it and its grossly inappropriate to use in game.I will not be asking you directly again.

I looked up the ableist language thing. I suggest you read before writing stuff like this.

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*sudden* spam lmao

windows, are you aware that what you call sudden spam is just me logging into MS, and cathing up for what is my FIRST visit in this game since it started?

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gimme those recent games of mine you say you skimmed please?

I'm not commenting on GC v whoever because i don't find it important. Otherwise i'd have done so in my catchup.

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I thought ableist language was insulting qgainst disabled people, i fail to see where ico did that?Im not defending him, i just dont want to dogpile on him when i didnt see him do any wrong

i wrote windowNs, which is a bit awkward, but i immediately wrote that it was a genuine 'misclick' right after so…

Windows is on such a high horse from so early on.

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VOTE: windowns

for added drama

(that is an actual mistype - i do not mean anything by it woops)

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i love to imagine right now that windows is desperately looking for recent games of mine to fake having skimmed lol

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alisae what's your thoughts on paladin?

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yo windows

let's start over?

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I'm truly not seeing much in that 1v1 you called out. You can think it's scummy, and that someone is trying to pocket someone else. I don't see it. That should be sufficient answer.

I'm absolutely trying to engage with you in good faith, if it appears like i'm not, that's probably because just do'nt know each other yet.

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I believe there is no productive conversation to be had with someone who refuses to engage in good faith.

I took a look at WHAT you exactly decided to respond to - on top of your refusal when prodded to - to respond to something I thought was important, as scummy.

I responded to what I wanna respond to. Feel free to draw your opinion on that.

As for the RVS comment? - It's not RVS. And you are lying that you are truly treating it as RVS from your shade on Paladin. It was page 8 when you got on. Just because YOU were late doesn't mean we waited to end RVS with you. So stop playing entitled.

I'm not sure why you are so eager to have me respond *solely* to game relevant stuff? If you think that because it's page 8 i'm not gonna joke around, you are wrong. I'll be joking around for the majority of the game.

You are more excited to respond to things that are non game related. As a recent example you recently just latched onto my claim that I read a few of your recent games. I did actually. Mainly for alignment + early game play to see patterns.

From all possible examples, me latching on to that is very much game relevant. I really wanna know exactly which games you skimmed. Because I know my own games, and therefore I know you are either lying about them, or absolutely didn't read em.

Overall, if you are town stop playing like you are entitled to being townread because it's going to end in you getting policied. And I am not interested in any AtE. That shit does not work on me.

I really don't know what ur seeing here dude. I'm not saying I should be townread? I'm not trying to be townread? I'm not sure where this is coming from tbh. Either ur faking it to push a fake scumread on me, or you don't know how to play this game.

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ok windows, i truthfully answered everything you wanna know.

Now, please just provide that list of game(s) you skimmed of mine?

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why are you RVSing when you have a read you want to pressure?

because i want to

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so windows

your thoughts are literally:

-ask ico to give thoughts on 2 slots
-ico says no
->ico clearly has scum motivation for this

how?

Ok so why do you not want to give your thoughts on 2 slots?

i *have* given my thoughts on what he asked

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i am very tired but i get the feeling ico wants 2 be the "rational" one here wrt windows and is trying to take the steps to appear so. also i think the insistence that windows provide the games they reviewed feels like a setup to catch windows in a gotcha. it's a weird thing to keep asking abt

VOTE: ico

windows is using those games as a reason to justify saying my actions are pointing towards scum!ico

i'm very much going to use it as a 'gotcha' once he posts them, because it's a flat out lie

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ali, you quoted my answer yourself in 265. Windows is coming from a point where it's seeing something fishy in the 1v1 he asked me my thoughts about. I responded with an answer that says I don't really see much fuss in that 1v1. You can't make me give thoughts about something that are literally not there.

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i am very tired but i get the feeling ico wants 2 be the "rational" one here wrt windows and is trying to take the steps to appear so. also i think the insistence that windows provide the games they reviewed feels like a setup to catch windows in a gotcha. it's a weird thing to keep asking abt

VOTE: ico

ydrasse this bothers me some. You should have no problem with me being so persistent in asking those games because it can only go 2 ways for you:

-either i'm right, and he didn't actually skim those games -> lying -> fabricating a fake case on me

or

-he comes up with actual proof that he *already has* according to itself -> feel free to use that as justfication for voting me


but voting me *because* i'm asking those games is ehhhh

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well that's kinda my point?

I didn't just spam this game, I did a catchup like i'll be doing every time I come online. I commented on what I wanted to comment on. If I didn't comment on that 1v1, it's because I didn't find it interesting.

Could I have given a far cleaner and nicer answer to windows by saying it like this? Sure. Do I feel like he deserved getting a more crappy response from me? Yes, because of how windows was treating me.

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i did

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and why is it such a big deal when windows has multiple questions he is not answering?

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i asked him why he is townreading paladin -> no response
i asked him what games he skimmed -> no response

i *truly* feel like i responded to his question

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i didn't at that time because windows was being rude

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@ico in my voting post i said i thought u were setting up for a gotcha @ window + implication is moreso i felt that inevitably you were going to try and twist it against window despite what they posted. it felt bad intentioned regardless of outcome from said game-posting so i have no issue w voting u pre-emptively. also like i said the progression btwn ur and windows interactions feels like u doing some image control

it's just that i'm very aware of my own games, and I believe that if windows actually skimmed recent games of me, they'd have come to a town!ico conclusion rather then scum!ico.

As for the setting up part, I think I made no effort in hiding what I was gonna do once those games were listed…
As for the damage control. You are correct, that's exactly what I'm doing. I tend to get into fights a lot, and they aren't Always v scum. I tend to get scumread A LOT by town as well, so if this is a town fight i'll do my best to salvage as much as I can here.

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calling me an ego player and calling my catchup basicly worthless is something i consider rude

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He’s attacking your play dude
Idunno I don’t see it

ali

you have first hand experience at attacking me for my play
you know how town!me responds to that

don't act surprised now

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i never said windows is unreasonable, nor suggested that

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it's a discussion that got out of hand really quickly, and i'm trying to de-escalate the situation

i've responded properly to his questions since then, and i'm pending answers back so

all good

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ali how can you say my catchup adds nothing?

you think there's literally nothing in there?

i've had opinions on you, windows, grumpy, and paladin from the top of my head alone

that's half the players in game already

intentionally misrepping or?

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same shoutout to windows too btw

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everyone keeps saying that the hop v GC was some big deal, i don't think it was

which is what is making this more twisted then what it actually is: me not *wanting* to respond isn't what happened, I think there wasn't all that much to respond to

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hopkirk, re your 302:

you cannot argue that you don't see the scum motivation for what I did in one hand, and with the other hand (slightly) scumread me for what I did

which is it

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Keeping your thoughts on it to yourself doesn't really demonstrate an open cooperative mindset.

I am gonna say this as clearly as I can.

I did not hold back any thoughts about anything. If I had stuff I wanted to comment on, I would have. I read the game, and not at a single time did I feel the need to comment on you guys. Not once.

When windows asked me to comment, I really wasn't gonna produce some fake read just to satisfy his query.

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Already said it, I didn't feel particularly helpfull towards windows at the time

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Both.

I don't think scum do it, but I don't know why town does it either. That's why I'm asking you (in the 'is this scummy?' line of thinking) what your motivation for it is?

Honest answer: I think scum are more likely to fake an answer, pending on you 2 allignment. If it is a town v town fight, it would fit my scum agenda to push at least 1 of you guys. Agree with windows for example that it feels pockety.

Town is much more likely to just say what they want.

Now, ofcourse I'm aware of this, so it shouldn't be very AI towards you reading this. But it's what I think.

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How do you feel about the people who commented on it? Any look like fake answers?

I'm not sure. When I get into heated arguments like this, i'm very often misread for a scummy tone. Especially when I'm pushing or counterpushing. Scum can easily hop on like that, but town will be just as easy.

What I suspect is fake however, is windows' looking at my recent games and coming up with justification that points towards scum!Ico when referenced across this game.

I'm very much looking forward to windows bringing up the actual games they skimmed, and how they compare to this and coming to scum!Ico conclusion.

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Wasn't a fight btw. It was more of a mutually supportive memeing. All aggression was directed at Flopz and I for one admit that was downright despicable of us both. I'm very sorry Flopz, and I'm sure GC is too.

everyone keeps saying that the hop v GC was some big deal, i don't think it was

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I think windows had a fair enough point in pushing me for my opinion and thoughts, but the meta game reference as well as the statement that it was *clearly* scum motivated is really not sitting well with me

everything else was just a shitfight that got out of hand rather quickly, partially because I can get heated really fast and partially because I think windows got triggered as well.

If windows has actual justifiable data and games that support his claim, he can be town. Otherwise he faked it to support a weak fake case and he's scum.

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it can be a couple things

he's scum looking at 2 town fighting, and hoping to catch some support from others to push there
or he's town looking at a fight that he wants sorted, and asked another slot (me) to give opinion and hit 2 bird with 1 stone

hard to make a good opinion at this point
these are the types of situations in which you need a couple good flips to analyze decently

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I wouldn't call it immense presure. All that windows needs to do is post said games and put up a small text referencing what he read in them, compared to this game and how that points towards scum!me. I'll be able to dig into his allignment a lot better then.

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paladin gave me early scum pings. I wrote it down in my catchup

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him not posting the games would be close to a scumclaim imo

as much as people look to think i'm gonna go throtthle his throat, i'm not. Im genuinly giving windows a chance to just post the games and have a look at what he saw. Maybe there is actually something there.

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the refresher of pages

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a rift in the vacuum of space and time, probably

or she just chooses whatever the fuck she wants

i think it's a coinflip between those

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fucking hell

gg

my scum shortlist is alisae/paladin/windows

DO NOT LET WINDOWS GET AWAY WITH NOT CLAIMING THOSE GAMES AND YOU DO YOUR DO DILIGENCE AND REFERENCE CHECK THEM

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ali hammered me btw

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damn was really looking forward to this

tho i'm like 85% sure windows is scum here

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Rip

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Windows

What games did you read?

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Koba

What games did you read that made you scum read me despite just having witnessed town In full glory?

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Town me, I mean

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Ok

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This game was unwinnable with that three person scum team

Was really looking forward to a game with ding dong
Loved the twilight shenanigans lol
Grumpy I love you
Flopz ggs
Ali... Well played. Nice lol hammer, no hard feelings

Koba... I hope to never having to play against you in a game again. I say against on purpose, because it seems impossible to play with you. Two games in a row now. I hope you can manage some self reflection after this game.

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My bad. I knew tunneling on windows this hard was throwing, i was just certain he was scum. Well played ali and flopz, that was a deserved win.

I don't see how you could have salvaged it with windows still in the game. Maybe if you didn't vote me?

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I think I deserve a scummy for this game tho

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i think i understand exactly how menalque got banned lol

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yo dong, just leave it please

this ain't worth it

can we instead glorify and remember the epic twilight of Day 1 in this DDD:DDisaster game

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koba gtfo and let us have our post game dude

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pfff

scratch the dude part

whatever

just leave plz

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viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80175

Really dont remember this? It was a historic game, you even helped spam it into 250 pages long

ya'll should be happy i got misyeeted because this might have been a thing

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dong was really invested in making me spam this game up

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VOTE: Iconeum
Hey ico! Its that time of the day where we policy lynch you again. Just like good old days

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Thanks for modding, Datisi. A shame you don't have more PT notes for games you mod, those are pretty enjoyable.

i've seen games with a lot more 'live' commentary from datisi, they are great!

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Ali we didn't get into a shitfight this game! i'm so dissapointed!

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plz no fast hammer next time ^^

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i know ali absolutely adores my gif artwork so

specially for you

Live footage of me realizing i got hammered with an overused, yet very accurate, gif: