Micro 981 | Chain of Command 2004 Camry Edition | Game Over!

[kookiemonster]

Hellooooooooo! VOTE: Datisi for always reading me wrong >:(

-Kookie

[kookiemonster]

I am also here

- monshtuh

[kookiemonster]

you mean all those games where i was scum?

charas folly. Ig u were scum the other two so fair enough on those ones.

-kookiethebigbrain

[kookiemonster]

kookiemonster (this is a hydra of JacksonVirgo and Noraa)

*AHEM*
its JohnnyFarrar :/

[kookiemonster]

I am Jacko beep boop kpop I'm correct about Johnny scum a lot

[kookiemonster]

I am Jacko beep boop kpop I'm correct about Johnny scum a lot

What do you think of him so far? Also hi everyone I'm dostin!

Who, Johnny? That fool town as hell

- monster

[kookiemonster]

I joined for Ari

[kookiemonster]

-Monster

[kookiemonster]

kookiemonster you need to accept that i will read you as if you were not a hydra thanks

Deal!

[kookiemonster]

Should we just have the PL discussion now about bugsy so it doesn't come up later?

[kookiemonster]

-Monster good I'm bad at this already

[kookiemonster]

To be clear I'm not suggesting a policy lim here, but someone will. It just comes with your style and I don't want it to come up later

Hey everyone this is bugs. Things I've seen them do as town:
Quick hammer a claimed pr
AtE to no end
Drop reads and refuse to explain them

Make your peace with him now because I'm not dealing with it later

- Monster

[kookiemonster]

him

Them.

Apologies

[kookiemonster]

Apologies again. It was a mistake and I will do my best to make sure it does not happen again

[kookiemonster]

AtE to no end

bold

of you to somehow believe that quoting the misgendering in the apology was better than the same exact post without it

Something that strikes me as funky is the time between km's posts on page 2 vs this one. I'm unsure of the slower reply afterwards is ai although for some reason I feel like a scum player would feel more in the moment stunned about not wanting to reply in a way that isnt scummy

Hey! He apologized, felt bad, and it wasn't purposeful. Donut bully my softie hydra buddy >:(
Also ... read his signature if ur wondering why the replies are slow.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Yeah not interested in starting a fight over that. Bugs has the right to demand correct pronouns and I need to be better

- Monster

[kookiemonster]

VOTE: bugspray

For which reason

[kookiemonster]

There aren't many things a dragon fears

VOTE: kookiemonster

but this thing...

Hiyo, here if you have any questions

-RM

[kookiemonster]

All of mine are accidents

-mon

[kookiemonster]

I just walked into a shitshow at work, might be radio silence for like 10 hours. Somebody come in and do a whole new RVS, the last one was boring

- Monster

[kookiemonster]

There aren't many things a dragon fears

VOTE: kookiemonster

but this thing...

BTS fans UNITE!!!!!!!!!
The power of BTS should be enough to make you pee your pants

why is bugs outed scum already

datisi why include the uhhhh yeahhhh seems wonky to me
maybe a symtom of brainworms?

idk

This super short reply from datisi is one of my reasons to SR him atm. I've played with scum!Datisi twice now and I find that he is more quiet, less engaged, and less explain-y as scum. His one game as town he just spent calling me scummy, in comparison.

VOTE: kookiemonster

do not like the way they floated out the PL suggestion on bugspray while being very careful to explain that they were not actually suggesting such a plan themselves, just wondering if anybody else wanted to.

Hi User! Where were we being "careful"? How did we "float around the PL"? While I dont agree that a PL is smart in a game this small, I dont really think my partner was saying we should do it, anyways. From what I interpreted, it just meant that he figured we were going to talk about it and wanted to basically inform everyone that bugs is scummy as hell?

-Nornor

[kookiemonster]

The vibe is the same lazy scum vibe that you have when you're scum. It's not based off of one post but that one post triggered a SR from a previous null scumlean
-norbear

[kookiemonster]

I was gonna say that I SR Ico and think they're super scummy just like in Random Facts. Legit town was missing town power and there were no great reasons to not believe the doctor claim but I was paranoid. I believe this may be a sign that shows Ico is just town again. Not sure about this read but Ico might be one of those scummy townies but towny scums.

-nornor

[kookiemonster]

The vibe is the same lazy scum vibe that you have when you're scum. It's not based off of one post but that one post triggered a SR from a previous null scumlean
-norbear

sAmE LaZy ScUm ViBe

played one town game with me for like 3 days, apparently a pro at my meta already

no sorry i don't fucking buy it at all

especially considering tgp called me town earlier (because of the same game we've played in) and you didn't give a damn to actually engage them over it

and like "that one post triggered a scumread from previous scumlean" for being "less engaged and less explain-y" when (1) in that very same post i'm doing things and (2) what kinda fucking explantion did you imagine town!me would've written there?

and why was it previously a null scumlean?

Random Facts vibes real strong. When I sussed you a bit in Random Facts, you threw a paragraph at me that made me feel stupid and squashed. Ur doing the exact same thing here. Town!you would be more like "Gosh Noraa why are you so scummy" and actually talk to me. Scum!you will try to gaslight me and shade me big time. My mafia skills are inferior to yours and thats clear but you never use that against me when you are town. VOTE: Datisi

To show this post is very serious, I'm signing it as just "Noraa"

-Noraa

[kookiemonster]

I am not engaging you Datisi because I know very well that if you want to make me look bad, you can. I fell into your trap in random facts and nearly got myself killed day 1 for it. These scum vibes are extremely strong and Golden and Ico, I need you both to take a good look at DAtisi's behavior here. Let me go pull some quotes from Random Facts.

I am getting STRONG deja vu. I kid you not. I feel like I am living and breathing in Random Facts right here, right now. Soul reads that are this strong are very few for me but I am 99% certain Datisi is scum this game. I will be making more posts on this. I am certain of it now.

-Noraa

[kookiemonster]

Heres one:

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other content

the game is on like page 5 though. would you expect any actual content from him by now?

@Datisi

not sure. You dont seem to really explain anything so its possible that this is the way u play early in games. I have a null read on you rn if that answers the question

ok but like you said if i'm not explaning my vote i'm anti-town (and then gave a pretty scummy description in 92)
but i still haven't explained my early vote on you, and i'm null?

also didn't you call meta trash earlier?

pedit: +town mindmeld on BM? more likely than you think

[kookiemonster]

The vibe is just this slightly provoking and condescending. How I think about it is when I hear it, I feel lowkey inferior and like I'm gonna get wagoned hard if he continues. This is the EXACT, I repeat EXACT same vibe that I feel here. I am willing to bet so much that datisi is scum here. AND my reads aren't bad. In random facts, datisi was scum and my day one vig shot was on Datisi. The proof is in the mod thread that I can get out for everyone if u wanna see it. I was a novice 3 shot vig and didn't know what novice was so I submitted a shot day 1 on datisi but it didn't happen cuz I was gated. I am confident in my reads on Datisi. He says I have no experience with him and shades me for it but my very first game with him, I wanted to shoot scum!him day 1. That says something.

-noraa

[kookiemonster]

And Datisi cannot say it was because he disagreed with me/argued with me so I was OMGUSing or some bullshit like that. I got into a huge fight with BM that game and if I was going by those standards, I wouldve shot BM not Datisi. I wanted to shoot datisi bc of a legitimate SR.

-noraa

[kookiemonster]

Not sure what my partner wanted with the PL but to sum it up, I interpreted it as him wanting to tell everyone that bugs was scummy af regardless of alignment. I hope people start taking my Datisi read seriously sometime this game cuz Datisi is 99% scum here.

-Kookie

[kookiemonster]

I rarely have soul reads this strong. I rarely do.

-Noraa

[kookiemonster]

Ico and Golden. Back me up here.

-callingbackupnoraabear

[kookiemonster]

Hey I'm here. I wanna bounce ideas. Who's online?

-mon

[kookiemonster]

Ok so until I say I'm done these are all -monster yeah

[kookiemonster]

Uncrown do you have any TGP meta? Literally all of mine is with scum him I think? But he seems less... scummy here? might just be gut. What do you think?

[kookiemonster]

Bugsy is going to be LHF all game because of the way they are. I haven't seen anything so far outside of their towngame. This is why I'll be SALTY if people start pushing for PL later on that slot. The last game I played with bugs was lost upon a bug miselim. Because they borderline claimed scum.

p-edit: holy hell I'm the worst

[kookiemonster]

I'm sitting here staring at this Plist trying to call to mind anything about some of these players.

kookie inspires anger in people sometimes, and datisi responded... normally? so like... Eh.

[kookiemonster]

So wait you think dostin is bugspartner and is playing off that knowledge to tie town dat to them? Does this mean you both also scumread bugs?

[kookiemonster]

-mon

[kookiemonster]

I learned what they thought of you and it helps because now I know what they think of you

-mon

[kookiemonster]

kookie inspires anger in people sometimes, and datisi responded... normally? so like... Eh.

Basically this still. Don't super love YOUR dostin vote.

[kookiemonster]

Reasons stated are unsatisfactory.

-all mon baby

[kookiemonster]

Did uncle crown even vote?

IamU vote seems weak, but genuine

Yours came second and with a more laid back energy

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish by pretending you're all in the same boat

-mon

[kookiemonster]

He says I have no experience with him and shades me for it but my very first game with him, I wanted to shoot scum!him day 1.

ok, and???? do you maybe wanna talk about the second game we played, where town!you was townreading scum!me after i left you out to die and get ripped apart by the town??? like your read on me so far is *at best* 50% so don't even fucking start

Getting this angry over a vote is interesting. You're purposefully changing your meta to throw me off
Last time you did this to me, you had ~cool~ vibes which angered me big time. You see its not working anymore so you decide to try to throw me off by showing off some "townie anger"
No. You ARE scum.

Your interaction with bugspray look dishonest, and your response to kookie's vote is overblown.

This^

LMAO you think I'd bus my dear friend datisi like this? Usually as scum the brainworms go out the window completely
Brb reading most of the page

actually the more i look at the the more i hate it over anything that noraa spewed out so far

ohh, decisions, decisions...

LOL look at how fast he backtracks. Is this not scum behavior? I have zero idea why Golden is calling me scum but he did do this in Random facts which made me almost shoot him on night 3 but he was town so I'll excuse the bad read for now. Ico back me up. The vibe is random facts all the way. Are you feeling it?

monster is the non-noraa head, right? hey yo mon, how you reading me right now?

Buddying my partner isn't going to get you a TR from our slot bc I'm never agreeing to a TR on you. Legit NEVER.

-catchuptimenornor

[kookiemonster]

laid back energy

THIS IS DATISI SCUM INDICATIVE >:(

-imtellingyouDATISIISSCUM

[kookiemonster]

just gonna pretend to scumread me the whole game

Shade.

-thisisscumimtellingyouITIS

[kookiemonster]

dats, i get your frustration, but this is overly harsh.

Golden partner equity with datisi p high for this post right here.

-nornor

[kookiemonster]

something is off here.

+ 1 town point for this post
ftr ur still scum but u got 1 town point in ur bank account now.

-nornor

[kookiemonster]

also, sorry if i was harsh, noraa. there was a better way to phrase those posts.

its alright

-theforgivingnoraa

[kookiemonster]

Dats would you describe yourself as confident?

- mon

[kookiemonster]

What's your experience with WRONG Noraa? Have you seen her do one of these tunnels before?

-mon

[kookiemonster]

Both are VLA bugsy chill

[kookiemonster]

What's your experience with WRONG Noraa? Have you seen her do one of these tunnels before?

-mon

not that i recall. and if she's gonna be as destructive and not even try to listen to me / reevaluate me, then i don't really care to

Lies. I wrongly tunneled BM on day 1 of random facts and you were there, Datisi. Except studies show that even if I wrongly tunnel someone, I figure it out in the end. I had my vig shot on scum day 1, not the person I tunneled who was town. Datisi might bring up that I ended up shooting BM. Yeah, that was bc he claimed a guilty on someone that flipped town so he look fishy af.

-kookiebear

[kookiemonster]

i have seen scum!noraa do that in the one micro i played where she was scum with shelly

Was that a "strong soul read"?
No. That was me pushing someone who openly advocated a PL on me. Right now I am pushing Datisi off of no evidence except for my own soul read and meta on him. This is not scum!Noraa behavior at. all.

Datisi is using AtE to try to wiggle out of this but I'm not allowing it. I am close to completely certain he is scum atm. I repeat one more time, I RARELY have soul reads this strong. very very rarely. Anyone that wants to look into this, please meta dive Random Facts ASAP. I am not good at casing people but my soul reads are shockingly accurate.

-noraa

[kookiemonster]

I get the exact same vibe from datisi that I got there and I believe there is no explanation except that he IS scum.

-noraa

[kookiemonster]

you and BM were shitting up the thread, and if you think i was actually gonna properly read that when i didn't need to, think again. and again, i really really do not care that you were scumreading me there on day one. like what are you trying to prove? that you historically have a good read on me? i've already proven that that is wrong. that i'm mafia here? i can argue with you as much as needed, you're not pushing this through. that you always have a good read on someone in the end? you don't seem to be trying to evolve this read at all.

you try way too hard to shade me. way too hard. the more you shade, the more convinced I am that you are scum. town!you has no reason to do this. your only reply to me is basically that I dont have meta on you and that those games were special or something like that. This isn't a town mindset either. When I am scum and get nailed for meta, my first reaction is "oh that game you played with me was special bc blah blah" and there's always this overexplain-y kind of vibe to it.

I called you out for being less explain-y in scum games and you proceeded to write a lot of super long posts. you think I dont notice?

-noraa

[kookiemonster]

hot shit

course I'm hot shit. my soul reads are always hot shit imo. they are so rare but never wrong.

-noraa

[kookiemonster]

Attacking my inexperience. All the scums do that. I'm convinced ur scum. If ur so angry talking to me, then just dont talk to me. I really dont care what you say at this point cuz I'm not budging. I think you are scum and I will think that forever - unless you flip green which imo is basically impossible. Stop engaging me if ur angry. I have no interest talking to you or replying to anything you say because I know very clearly that I won't be able to beat a 2019'er when it comes to fighting. If you have anything that isn't shading me and a legitimate question, I'll answer. Otherwise, I 1000% believe this is all meant to just make me look garbage. You succeeded in making me look bs in Random facts and got me to E-2 in one rl day. Im not going to let that happen again.

-annoyednornor

[kookiemonster]

- what made you scumlean me beofre the "idk" post

Your entire vibe this game was ~lazy~

It's this bored, playful tone. truth be told, I was not that certain you were scum after the "idk" post. I pushed because I was really curious to see if those small scum!datisi vibes were real. They you blew up at me and proved that I was not indeed, blind. I saw those scum vibes and they were 1000% real.

- how is the random facts quote you posted in this game relevant to anything i've done in this game so far

It's the same vibe. Exact same vibe. That same threatening presence. I felt there was something wrong with you in random facts which is why my day 1 vig shot was you. Now that I've been thru that game, I recognize this feeling. It is the exact same.

will you answer them?

yes

[kookiemonster]

Can you be more specific about how Datisi was being lazy? I looked at his posts prior to the "Idk" response and there was some effort there FMPOV?

Also, the "Idk" reply was in response to a Bugspray question that... didn't really seem like a legitimate question to need to put effort into answering anyway?

Reasoning feels weak.

its a ~vibe~ thing. It's this kind of cold, condescending, scary, threatening vibe. It's like normally datisi is a small baby fish that won't bite you or scare you. But when he's scum, he's this big lion like "come at me if you dare" vibes. Can you ISO datisi in random facts and read a bit for me please? Do a joint iso. Noraa and Datisi

-nornor

[kookiemonster]

Here, I did it for everyone.
viewtopic.php?t=84455&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

-bearbear

[kookiemonster]

That game, I was a novice 3 shot vig. Datisi was a mafia goon.

-norbear

[kookiemonster]

I know that Jackson isn't actually in this game and Johnny is the same person

I dont think this is true :/

-nornor

[kookiemonster]

The solve could just be Datisi/bugs honestly.
Datisi and Bugs both started out SRing my slot and quickly Datisi started sussing Bugs with us and Bugs started distancing datisi.
Whats good about linking a townie with a partner is 1)if partner dies, townie looks bad ; 2)if townie dies, partner looks good ; 3)u look like ur solving.
Bugs/Datisi interactions have been interesting. They started out with like idk but I got the feeling like TRs on each other. Like they agreed with each other on a lot of things. Then I started tunneling Datisi and immediately I start seeing distancing from those two. It's interesting and I believe partner has also expressed to me that this may be what's happening. I won't take credit for the idea since monster brought it up like yesterday or something and I paid some attention and now I think it sounds right.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Maybe tomorrow but from what I remember, that was how things went down.

-kookiethecookie

[kookiemonster]

Here

-mon

[kookiemonster]

It's like normally datisi is a small baby fish that won't bite you or scare you.

you have

three irl days worth of town meta on me

Do you disagree with the assertion, then?

-mon

[kookiemonster]

I don't have any earth shattering revelations so I'll just wait until you're done then

-RM

[kookiemonster]

I'm just figuring stuff out and you're here.

So uncrowded is town here. Disagree?

In my experience bugsy doesn't *try* to solve as town, how do you read them? Historically, i mean?

[kookiemonster]

Currently reading an iso of ico to see if my defensiveness of noraa is causing me to townread them unjustly. Also just trying to wrap my head around the dostin wagon just in general
-m

[kookiemonster]

Hello! I am not caught up but one of my town games just finished and I wanted to say that it helps my case greatly because the same thing that happened there happened here. That game, I was town and shelly was scum. I nailed scum on page 5 of the game and got her eliminated day 1 because of a soul read. In that game I mentioned it was an extremely strong gut/soul read. This game is EXACTLY the same. An EXTREMELY strong gut read that Datisi is scum. It's hard to explain on my end but it is really strong. Let me quote some posts from that game:

Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

I think this game started weirdly which is why I'm not more certain, but yeah. Don't let me stop you, I'm well out of practice with this type of thing, and I tend to prefer my meta reads to inform what I'm seeing in thread than dictate them.

Interesting cuz my gut literally screamed scum so hard if I could dayvig someone, I would've dayvigged her right then, right there. Like that's the level of certainty. I'm not a god at reading people but shelly is one of the few that I've meta dived and I seriously just saw the opening and I was like, "no fucking way shelly is town"

u could convince me she's a werewolf or some other weird shit. But town, no.

This is full on gut. But I have never ... NEVER ever had such a strong gut read in all of my time on ms. I very strongly believe shelly is not town and that's why I will try my best to avoid solving her as I'm 1000000% sure this gut read will make the read very unfair if she really is town. But I swear to god, I will actually be so so shocked if she is town. Hands down will be like ok I'm out. Adios I suck at gut reads.

Anyways I feel really really really strongly about this but I'll avoid reading shelly for now so that I don't tunnel so early into day 1 cuz once I start tunneling, I legit can't stop.

So many really's but I legit feel strongly about this and nothing'll change that besides a green flip in which case I will be absolutely bamboozled.

[kookiemonster]

This is the second occurrence of my strong gut read. I generally have a lot of gut reads in a game but I have only had a gut read this strong once before.

[kookiemonster]

sorry got too excited the game ended. forgot to sign

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

why is bugs outed scum already

This made me nervous. This is why I'm not just vibing with ico.

@ico what's your bugs experience

[kookiemonster]

VOTE: kookiemonster

VOTE: datisi
He knows I'm town and feels guilty about having to fake sr my beautiful innocent soul

i can vibe with that

VOTE: dostin

is that all you have to say about the matter?

VOTE: dostin e1 i think

this entire progression is pretty much why i scumread them

Bugs had only made one of these posts by that point

[kookiemonster]

Johnny, do you think Noraa is wrong about Datisi?

I think Noraa's read is... gut. Strong gut, but gut. And I can follow little scum tells, but my gut isn't that strong.

The wrong Noraa question was actually making sure dats wasn't REALLY overblown. Because Noraa does this often, the tunneling, and if he'd seen it before I'd say he's being theatrical

[kookiemonster]

In my experience bugsy doesn't *try* to solve as town, how do you read them? Historically, i mean?

Excuse me noraa but we have one game together where I correctly sr'd you so I'm gonna call bullshit on this

I'm Johnny

[kookiemonster]

So I guess the real question here is why haven't you tuned her out? Like yes she's pointing at you now, I get that, but it's not like she's kicked up a wagon. Do you dignify all pushes at you with prideful responses?

I'd challenge you to just read random points throughout that other game in which you ignored her, and I'm willing to bet you'll see similar stuff.

As for reading you, I wanna pussyfoot. I'll say scum, feet to the fire, but i'm still sorting. And I feel once we get this bad energy between you and noraa sorted this game will get easier.

-mons

[kookiemonster]

Nah I'm just giving you a tool that might show you Noraa is town right now. To help sort her. So you could better attempt to win this game.

P-edit: I'm not really interested in convincing you otherwise, just seeing how stubborn you're willing to be about it

[kookiemonster]

I have and I do

[kookiemonster]

Can I get a good old fashioned reads list from you bugsy?
-m

[kookiemonster]

Doesn't have to be something wild, just your temp on everybody

[kookiemonster]

Here I'll do one:

Town->scum
Uncrown
User
Ari
Ico
Tgp
Dostin
Dats
Bugs

[kookiemonster]

anyhow the scum team is ico+dostin

Didnt you always say our slot was scum? what happened?

-kookiebear

[kookiemonster]

this from the other head also gives me bad vibes. one head deathtunnels on Datisi, while the other one says "hey, don't worry about it, it's just Noraa being wrong". gross.

Johnny, do you think Noraa is wrong about Datisi?

Blatant misrep. That is not at all what Johnny was saying.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

but the way she phrased the concept of agreeing reads with her hydra partner here feels like it contains an unconscious acknowledgment that those reads are fake.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...... wtf?

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Not sure if that's a serious question

-m

[kookiemonster]

I'm just not cocky enough to assume I'm that correct, I guess? Like, bugs has done scummy things but

1)they do that as either alignment
2)that doesn't preclude y'all from seeing that and bussing

Also you're just barely in the bottom half of my list why so bothered?

[kookiemonster]

I'm not actually sure what we're arguing here. You came at bugs really early for my liking. It's why you're technically closer to the bottom of my reads list than the top.

Here I'll do one:

Town->scum
Uncrown
User
Ari
Ico
Tgp
Dostin
Dats
Bugs

my question is how is ari 3rd top town honestly

Ari is closest to true neutral here.

[kookiemonster]

He just reads so earnest to me which throws me off when he says some whack shit

[kookiemonster]

Not sure if that's a serious question

-m

+1

I'm just not cocky enough to assume I'm that correct, I guess? Like, bugs has done scummy things but

1)they do that as either alignment
2)that doesn't preclude y'all from seeing that and bussing

Also you're just barely in the bottom half of my list why so bothered?

+1
I completely agree with my other head on ico atm. Ico seemed scummy af in my last game with them and they were town. This brief interaction isn't that concerning to me. There is something else that I might look into. Does Ico normally do little bracket things? Like "I think there is scum in {blahblahblah} and {blah}"?

I'm not actually sure what we're arguing here. You came at bugs really early for my liking. It's why you're technically closer to the bottom of my reads list than the top.

Here I'll do one:

Town->scum
Uncrown
User
Ari
Ico
Tgp
Dostin
Dats
Bugs

my question is how is ari 3rd top town honestly

Ari is closest to true neutral here.

This read list is concerning.

You're telling me you only have two TLs?

Tbh, if I wasn't in a hydra, I'd have zero TLS rn. I have zero TLS. I'll admit, I've been hyperfocusing on slots I've played with before as compared to those that I haven't. It's so bad that like .... lol I keep mixing up the ones that I dont know. Mostly Dostin and the one with the prfp of the dude with grey hair. I have a strong TR on Datisi and although no one agrees with it, it's staying.

Ico's been throwing me off. Golden as well. I think I should be able to sort these slots later tho.

User, I have never really sorted correctly but I'm trying and so far, I think based off the few posts they have, they are a weak TL maybe?

I'm going to be hyper focusing on the slots I didn't pay much attention to starting now

-nornor

sorry bout that.

[kookiemonster]

I have a strong TR on Datisi and although no one agrees with it, it's staying.

Yeah uh, I meant to say SR

[kookiemonster]

Oh, confused you with the other head. My bad.

other head doesn't TR Datisi.

[kookiemonster]

Yeeeeeah not seeing dostin in a good light here

-m

[kookiemonster]

Also, TGP/Dostin have less partner equity than I thought they did upon rereading.

TGP's posting has been a little all over the place, especially in terms of reads. Just scanning through the ISO now and I'm not sure what I'm seeing there. Will have to reevaluate.

Not sure if my partner has a TR on Uncrowned but I've been paying attention to the latest posting(and I TR this slot) and pulled some shorter quotes.

I liked these. This entire game, I've felt {Bugs, Golden, and Dostin} have been scummy outside of {Datisi}

I still SR Datisi but will stop pushing it because no one really agrees with it and also bc I kinda need to reread this game sometime over the weekend to get a fresh, new perspective on the game.

Ico has been scummy but town!them is super scummy too so can't really sort there atm.

kookiethebear

[kookiemonster]

So my point is, considering a Dostin/Golden scum team is really reasonable and I could see it if Datisi really was town.

-kook the ie

[kookiemonster]

Whooooo's going through a bout of depression it's Johnny

Hey Icos aggressiveness toward this dostin flip post claim feels weird to me, yeah?

-m

[kookiemonster]

come at me if you wanna have a go

Umm, I like your shoes?

But naw I agree prs and officer status are NAI here but you see the obvious downsides to flipping a town dostin here right? Our boy could be 1/3 of the scums wincon

[kookiemonster]

do you want to hear uncrowned's answer to that before mine?

This is bad. it kinda screams "caught for the wrong reasons" like someone else is doing it more. shoo. go away.

VOTE: bugspray

considering both pr and officer, it's likely he's just... gonna die. and even if he's scum, him being alive restricts scum's nightkill choices.

You keep switching ur vote around which is bad but I have something to say about Dostin's claim.

Ok so there's a big problem with that claim imo. The problem isnt that he claimed pr but rather that he also claimed to be one of the officer system. From what I understand of the setup, there is a possibility that if scum just kills off the command system, they can win. This is why I feel like town in that position might claim the pr but maybe not that officer position. Unless I understood the setup wrong, I feel like that claim's weird in that regard.

Whooooo's going through a bout of depression it's Johnny

Hey Icos aggressiveness toward this dostin flip post claim feels weird to me, yeah?

-m

Ico's play this game has been weird. I really am not sure what's up. I need to reread over the weekend and try to figure things out. I do feel like something's wrong.

People are saying town!me doesn't back off datisi. I haven't really backed off. The problem is that half this plist is scummy as fuck and staying tunneled doesn't help anyone here anyways. I'm untunneled now but defo still sus of datisi.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

i think town!Noraa would absolutely not have backed down on Datisi here.

I had a whole conversation with Datisi about fixing the energy between the two AND THEN had a private convo with my other head about not pushing Datisi and only Datisi all day.

That frustrates.

[kookiemonster]

-m

[kookiemonster]

Golden, is Datisi being towny?

-kookie

wrong ac

[kookiemonster]

pls no modkill for all the alt slips

-snifflykookie

[kookiemonster]

Unlike Datisi we haven't hopped wagons back and forth like 4 times in an hour :/

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

which you STILL have not explained why is that supposed to be """bad""" but go off i guess

is it not clear why wagon hopping is bad?

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Even if you want to disregard that, wagons then moved onto Bugs and Kookie. I'm not sure Scum!Ico would even feel the need to bring you up here, or at all. You've been a mostly ignored slot due to your activity and with suspicions already set on other slots without much stagnation in the game state... I don't think it's something that would come from scum.

You say this like you

know

that he wouldn't need to counter wagon because we and bugs are town.

-m

[kookiemonster]

Also hi I'm Johnny and I've heard of these d1 Noraa lims but I've never seen one up close. This sucks. (Some AtE for you)

I hear what y'all are saying about barely having townreads and all, and I really can't refute. Yeah that means we'd basically be down to vote anybody. That looks bad. But it's also true? So like w/e. Ftr if I had my way I'd get a Datisi flip today. I'm off Bugs.

Still have really only skimmed since tgp rejoined, he also seems scummy.

Kook's wheels seemed to be spinning about Ari last night so I'll wait for her.

I'm sneaking another nap, lemme know about any questions folks might have

[kookiemonster]

Also hi I'm Johnny and I've heard of these d1 Noraa lims but I've never seen one up close. This sucks. (Some AtE for you)

I sorry

-

[kookiemonster]

I hear what y'all are saying about barely having townreads and all, and I really can't refute. Yeah that means we'd basically be down to vote anybody. That looks bad. But it's also true? So like w/e. Ftr if I had my way I'd get a Datisi flip today. I'm off Bugs.

Btw every one cannot say we don't have TRs cuz yes, I haven't really made a clear stance in that regard but my partner has and I do agree with all of his reads atm.

-kookie

I suck at this.

-sigh

[kookiemonster]

Still have really only skimmed since tgp rejoined, he also seems scummy.

Kook's wheels seemed to be spinning about Ari last night so I'll wait for her.

Yeah, that's the problem. everyones fucking scummy. sure I'm not really doing much about it but Datisi, golden, Ico did I do anything about people being scummy in Random Facts?

Think about it. In Random Facts, I basically just ran around like a madman called conftown's scummy and calling scum conftown.
Is that play reflected here?
Yes.

I react differently to different sets of people. scummy sets of people get this reaction. It is 10000% within my town meta.

The reason why I had a problem with Ari was bc he said *I* was scummy. I don't think town ever separates hydras and be like one head is scummy, the other is not, so they are scum. Like that seems like a really strange way to sum it all up. I'd expect town to be like "they did this, this, and this so they are scummy"

Summing it up and being like one head is scummy. the other is not. reads super not genuine imo.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Summing it up and being like one head is scummy. the other is not. reads super not genuine imo.

it also basically sums up the town consensus atm. Like town consensus is that but everyone has pointed out specific things that I specifically did. Ari just reads to me like he read all that and was like "ok Noraa's the scummy head so I'll just go in and point that out"

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

ari can you pls explicitly give intent so we can actually get moving because it's either me or kookie and i assume you do not want me to hang?

Datisi has been super emotion-less this page which is interesting considering we are battling for the spot of biggest wagon. Datisi's entire vibe changed. Anyone else notice this?

I've been pushing Datisi for a long time now and I feel like no one has paid it much attention. Golden and Ico have both commented that they see what I see. I told everyone Datisi mirrored his Random Facts game where he was scum and Golden, Ico, and I were town. I am not going insane and I ask that town take a look at my arguments. I was the first on datisi's wagon and I pushed it extremely hard.

Rn I am a big wagon for a shit ton of reasons that recently popped up. This is a really convenient time to be pushing me, a person who has been 1000% tunneled for the entirety of this game right?

Too many coincidences. Too much resistance earlier to Datisi.

I stand by my statement that everyone is scummy. I've SRed every single person here at least once by now and this normally doesn't happen.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

ari's basically given intent on kookie. you should probably consider claiming.

rolefisher.

Ari hasn't given intent and you have no right to ask me to claim right now.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Nope. not claiming.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

If anyone lolhammers, its a scum claim tho jus sayin.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Yeah no. The resistance to the Datisi wagon is insane. It's never gotten past 3 people.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

I don't think that counts but you'd look absolute bullshit after we flipped pr.
I really don't wanna claim ngl. Like really don't wanna claim.
We are not one of the officer system but a pr. I thought I had slipped that up earlier by saying dostin shouldn't claim officer and pr. Prior to getting the role pm I thought only the officer system could be prs but that's not true so that means one of the officer system is a vanilla townie most likely.

I'll claim if everyone insists I claim but I mean if everyone believes dostins claim, please don't make me claim. We already have an outed pr. two is not a good deal on day 1.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Our role is "Town ensigma(ik if u spell it this way but I'm too lazy to check the role pm) [redacted]"

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

*idk

-nornor

[kookiemonster]

we also may or may not have an interesting modifier O_O
idk.
I'll wait for my partner to decide if we should full claim everything.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

hammer before fullclaim=scum claim.

[kookiemonster]

I will not budge. My play this game has been towny asf imo. This flash wagon started just because I haven't engaged basically anyone.

But being tunneled is way more a towntell than scum. I will not be forced to claim by a few scumbuckets tho I will claim to save my ass if it really is town *consensus*

However, If y'all believe dostin is town, don't make me claim. 2 town prs claimed day 1 can be fatal.

-kookie the pissed cookie

[kookiemonster]

Either way, the way this game works is even if prs can possibly be scum, you don't yeet them anyways in this setup.

Ig softing pr is kinda dumb and can't really be cc'ed but the captain'll know which one is us by our action tonight which I think? the captain can see? Idk didn't read setup too closely but it said captain gives instructions and we can disobey and they'll know what we did? dunno something like that.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

No that's not town consensus. A big scum bucket who has never SRed me throughout this entire game is telling me to claim.

No one else has checked the thread and I don't listen to scum bucket number 1, Datisi.

59 minutes hm. Ok we are a RBer.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

(expired on 2020-11-20 21:16:31) i will fucking hammer

VOTE: kookie

wtf.

[kookiemonster]

U were lurking the whole time eh?

[kookiemonster]

Yeet golden tomorrow. thanks.

[kookiemonster]

Datisi super sus for not telling me the deadline btw. Bugs telling me the deadline is good +townpoints.

[kookiemonster]

we are a RBer.

like this is just "oh okay let me wait until i can consult with my fellow scumbuddies to claim"

Nah yeet this immediately tomorrow.

[kookiemonster]

Thats quite bullshit.

[kookiemonster]

Golden and Datisi die tomorrow.

[kookiemonster]

Golden your play is the trashiest piece of hot garbo if ur town. This is like the nicest way I can say it.

Tomorrow town yeets golden or datisi.

If there's like a role cop/investigative role. Datisi is an amazing option.

I wouldn't be surprised if the solve is just datisi/golden at this point.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Also ur timing is absolute bullshit. U were inactive for so long and then popped up right when bugs fucking lied to me about deadline.

Absolute bullshit.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

Golden lurking confirmed. Scummy asf. Probs was scared I would use my night action on their partner datisi cuz that's what I fucking would've done.

[kookiemonster]

Patience is a virtue-even when you are scum.

you rushed. you die tomorrow.

-Golden/Datisi is 90% the solve

[kookiemonster]

Golden and Datisi die tomorrow.

another scumslip but you're hammered already so it doesn't matter does it

if this flips scum like i believe it will, datisi and i are conftown

PFFT.
This was the meanest hammer possible regardless of ur alignment. It was really mean.
Ur probs scum for it and I hope town kills u tomorrow for it.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

oh its either do what the captain says or don't do anything isn't it?
whateves.
still ur scum for that trash hammer.

-kookie

[kookiemonster]

It was really mean.

i cannot, noraa. it was MEAN?

STFU what do I gain from twilight trolling when I'm already dead?

[kookiemonster]

Golden this was trash play. seriously trash. hammering before a full claim from me. garbage straight from the dumpster.
gosh I'm pissed.

[kookiemonster]

Whats the point in that if I'm already dead lmfao?
ur Bs'ing

[kookiemonster]

honestly, even if this flips town, it's a +town execution. a derptunneled player who's not solving anyone outside their tunnel and is refusing to explain things or listen to reason is massively anti-town. *and* we (probably) get a free scumkill in the form of their lolhammerer. or a speed-ticket to a painful 5p lylo. either one.

not scumclaiming in twillight actually has distinct value here, since the captain has to send in orders during the day, but something tells me you didn't know that...

why am i even typing it's 2 am...

welp. whatever. captain can just not send an order to the RBer. The RBer is dead as a doornail.

[kookiemonster]

plus its not a+ to kill a RBEr

[kookiemonster]

honestly, even if this flips town, it's a +town execution

if this flips town, dats is scum

stfu.

[kookiemonster]

This scum theatre is A++++

[kookiemonster]

its possible imo that Datisi and Golden aren't the scum team but I can bet on my life that there is at least one. Just kill both and ur guaranteed a scum.

[kookiemonster]

This scum theatre is A++++

oopsie did I interrupt the theatre?
I'll shush. u guys continue.

[kookiemonster]

the tldr is that i thought the hammer was better for town than waiting and letting another wagon dissolve but this time on someone i quite scumread

convenient how this SR didn't pop up until when my wagon was at E-1 and 1 post before my claim.

[kookiemonster]

LMFAO.

golden is scum. yeet him.
Datisi is scum. yeet him.

I think I prolly solved the game :3

[kookiemonster]

Monster'll be sad that I got us killed tho
*Droops sadly*

[kookiemonster]

I'm sorry Johnny
I hasn't learnt to obvtown quite yet...

[kookiemonster]

I'll shush.

can you please do this finally?

nah. I'll stay here for a while cuz I won't check thread even once after I'm dead so I might as well just stay here for a bit longer

[kookiemonster]

the scum theatre is A++ tho
very fun to watch

[kookiemonster]

part of me hopes that, if you're town in this game, you maybe actually learn something from it, but for some reason i have a feeling you won't.

out of everyone here, you should've been townreading me the hardest if you were town. You've been in what 3 games with me?
1) u were scum, I was the day 1 mislim
2) u were scum, I was nearly a day 1 mislim
3) I was locktown in limlo and you still thought I was scummy

if anything, I'd think u'd learn to read me but that's not the issue here. The issue is ur not trying to read me. You know what alignment I am.

[kookiemonster]

VOTE: kookie

"always reading me wrong" is a scummy opening.

i mean my two cents are that datisi/noraa is tvs
i have a townread on dats, so i think bugs and kookie are the scumteam

this wagon movement is wack and i'm liking the kookie wagon much more than the dats one hm

*applause*
great case you got there, bud.

[kookiemonster]

Well then I expect you to SR datisi tomorrow if you go by that garbage logic.

[kookiemonster]

And if u don't, scum claim LMFAO

[kookiemonster]

If u go by that logic to hammer me, u will go by that logic to hammer ur buddy and I expect nothing less.

[kookiemonster]

Are we hammered?
-m