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Yep, that was a bad claim. I don't think it comes from scum though? They have nothing to gain from randomly claiming VT.In post 24, bugspray wrote:Claiming VT gives scum a better PoE pool to find our King, this is a bad idea
If scum narrow down who our king is then if there's enough of them or enough suspicion on that person they could just convince us that person is scummy and then eliminate them.In post 27, T3 wrote:
Nightless.In post 24, bugspray wrote:Claiming VT gives scum a better PoE pool to find our King, this is a bad idea
I'm just as surprised. I honestly thought Koba was just clogging the thread with chess rather than content but I guess I have to take that thought back.In post 55, Andante wrote:wtf we're actually supposed to solve these? Is koba scum gaining powers with each one they solve?
Too bad my chess game is very rusty and I've also never used dice tags on the forum
That's what I'm saying. But now I kinda wanna solve oneIn post 67, bugspray wrote:all this puzzle talk really is doing the opposite of what we want to happen-
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This is closed so we don't really know thatIn post 124, Andante wrote:it doesn't get you anything but a point on the chart
Pedit: I mean using the dice tags. I have no idea how they work. I've never played chess online-
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Oh alright, I was unaware Pooky did stuff like this without it having an affectIn post 132, Andante wrote:In post 128, Raya36 wrote:
This is closed so we don't really know thatIn post 124, Andante wrote:it doesn't get you anything but a point on the chart
Pedit: I mean using the dice tags. I have no idea how they work. I've never played chess online
that chart is exactly like Pooky's pagetop counter, so I'm pretty certain it's not game related lol
idk the tags
Ok in this case I will ignore the chess games. Someone should teach me sometime, it's been a while since I've played.In post 134, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Clarification:
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You were at E-1?In post 155, Andante wrote:Town doesn't rush towards throwing people at E1
Maybe I miscounted but I thought E-2 which is acceptable-
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I mean if you were quickelimed and are town that person would be eliminated the next day. So scum wouldn't do that, and town shouldn't do that. Basically what I'm trying to say if your scumread on Isis really doesn't make much senseIn post 172, Andante wrote:yes I felt like I was in danger lol
This early on in the game and this early in the dayphase? And just to be eliminated the next day? I didn't think that was very commonIn post 178, DkKoba wrote:
i can link you to so many games where scum just quickhammer .. its usually a scum thing to do and it happens oftenIn post 171, Raya36 wrote:Maybe but you couldn't have felt you were in any real danger. Scum wouldn't quick elim you even if you were at E-1
Yeah and there's this tooIn post 181, flow trap wrote:
There's no night kill; a 1 for 1 doesn't sound as good as a 2 for 1In post 178, DkKoba wrote:
i can link you to so many games where scum just quickhammer .. its usually a scum thing to do and it happens oftenIn post 171, Raya36 wrote:Maybe but you couldn't have felt you were in any real danger. Scum wouldn't quick elim you even if you were at E-1
Idk what the benefits of quick hammering day 1 is for scum so perhaps I'm not qualified
I personally would still vote that out.In post 182, Andante wrote:In post 181, flow trap wrote:
There's no night kill; a 1 for 1 doesn't sound as good as a 2 for 1In post 178, DkKoba wrote:
i can link you to so many games where scum just quickhammer .. its usually a scum thing to do and it happens oftenIn post 171, Raya36 wrote:Maybe but you couldn't have felt you were in any real danger. Scum wouldn't quick elim you even if you were at E-1
Idk what the benefits of quick hammering day 1 is for scum so perhaps I'm not qualified
It's so easy to go "oops didn't realize E1" or "yeah I also SRed X" and everyone would just believe it
At the same time, this doesn't appear to be in good faith. I thought we established it was because Andante thought they were E-1 and panicked. This is a bad push with that in mind.In post 216, Virgo wrote:Why are you not as bothered at being at E-2 as you were the first time?
I agree with this actuallyIn post 228, Andante wrote:the motivation behind virgo's push on me doesn't feel towny.... but ok :/
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I say we because it was discussed in thread. Even if it was my conversation, andante still said it for everyone else to see.In post 240, Virgo wrote:YOU established that Raya -- who is this collective 'we'? I notice how you're trying to frame it as a like, weird perceived town vs. me thing.
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I just don't think your push was in good faith when the reason was already discussed. Your shade was essentially just asking the same question I asked which as answer to was already given.In post 243, Virgo wrote:But why are you taking it at face value. Saying it was 'established' is trying to make it out to be a hard fact.-
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Yes, and I was concerned with Andante panicking too. But after they explained they panicked at E-2 because they thought they were at E-1, I stopped pushing the fact that they panicked at E-2 and instead pushed the idea of panicking at E-1.In post 250, Virgo wrote:You're missing the point if you think that, at the core, my only concern is that Andante was panicked.
I care more about the order in which those emotions were expressed, and why certain ones were expressed after that incident.
I mean same goes for scumIn post 255, Andante wrote:yeah there’s a very simple answer for my reaction lmao i’m town. town doesn’t wanna get limmed
Are you talking about the "we" in we established. Because you were intended to be a part of that "we"In post 271, Virgo wrote:Raya's scum, she's setting up an us/them mentality against me, lmao.
Honestly, I'd believe itIn post 284, DkKoba wrote:im actually 3rd party my wincon issolve as many puzzles as i can and if i reach a certain number the game ends and i solo win-
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Can you explain because I'm not seeing itIn post 301, Isis wrote:Virgo is town no matter what Andante is
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I genuinely want to see where I'm wrong if I am. I don't want to tunnel virgo this early if that's what's happeningIn post 311, bugspray wrote:feels to me like 306 is more trying to sow doubt than actually get a good faith answer
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I wouldn't be that quick to call it a townslip. We don't know for sure there are 3.In post 331, DkKoba wrote:i think the fact that t3 is convinced theres only 2 scum is a townslip
with 9p and nightless and a flagbearer on both sides i would say that 3 scum is the most likely.
You mean Virgo's thought in 179 based on the posts before? I think that's the strongest point they made but I don't see why scum can't do that.In post 372, Isis wrote:The progression from 175-179 is pretty town indicative and difficult to emulate.
Virgo asks if Andante is experienced at mafia, which I also wondered and which most people probably wondered. Andante doesn't make two posts, but doesn't answer
As scum I would expect virgo to re-assert the question. Letting the question get dropped is "scummy" for being disingenuous (but at the tack of analysis I'm taking doesn't actually indicate a scum alignment).
Virgo continues reading and or thinking during the five minutes that Andante didn't address the question and comes up with a different conclusion, even though the experience data point never came in. This points a lot to deductive instead of inductive reasoning patterns, a buzzword the_worst uses about taking a stance where the evidence leads you vs. taking a stance, then making sure you can fit the evidence to align with it. The request for information would create a pause in a development of new stances for scum!virgo induction but is less consequential for town!Virgo's deductions since the reread of what Andante already posted can stand on its own meaning
It's hard to ask if someone is experienced as scum and not plan out what to do with either answer
I mean, dropping question is scummy for a reason. This just comes down to how aware scum!virgo is of the questions she asked and how careful she's being to not appear scummy
The last point makes sense. I don't townread virgo because of it but I'll drop the scumread UNVOTE:
PoE already?
Who are the obvtowns?In post 391, T3 wrote:9 players, a few obvtowns, yeah.
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Can you explain what about it feels different?In post 400, T3 wrote:bugspray's play already seems very different to electoral college mafia basically in the way it reads.
Koba has been very towny and I honestly don't think scum would wifom pres.
I don't feel strongly one way or the other on Koba so that sounds like a good wagon to me VOTE: Koba-
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Sounds exhausting but let's do itIn post 411, DkKoba wrote:
yes please 1v1 meIn post 410, Raya36 wrote:
Can you explain what about it feels different?In post 400, T3 wrote:bugspray's play already seems very different to electoral college mafia basically in the way it reads.
Koba has been very towny and I honestly don't think scum would wifom pres.
I don't feel strongly one way or the other on Koba so that sounds like a good wagon to me VOTE: Koba
My biggest impression of you rn is you're playing a lot more chess than mafia. Tell me why you aren't scum hiding behind the chess.-
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It doesn't. I think the mechanics are cool and if I knew how to use the tags I'd try a puzzle or two. But the majority of your posts being around the puzzles is scummyIn post 416, DkKoba wrote:
tell me why being into the setup theme makes me scumIn post 413, Raya36 wrote:
Sounds exhausting but let's do itIn post 411, DkKoba wrote:
yes please 1v1 meIn post 410, Raya36 wrote:
Can you explain what about it feels different?In post 400, T3 wrote:bugspray's play already seems very different to electoral college mafia basically in the way it reads.
Koba has been very towny and I honestly don't think scum would wifom pres.
I don't feel strongly one way or the other on Koba so that sounds like a good wagon to me VOTE: Koba
My biggest impression of you rn is you're playing a lot more chess than mafia. Tell me why you aren't scum hiding behind the chess.-
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I would if I couldIn post 424, DkKoba wrote:this is chess mafia. play chess or gtfo
I don't doubt that you're genuinely into the theme. I just think you can be into the theme and also posting more content at the same timeIn post 425, DkKoba wrote:ur abusing the fact im super into the theme in order to shitpush me - you have done this kind of push in the past when you were scum which confirms my scumpings about you. this kind of push meaning you latch onto some NAI bullshit part of my game and try to frame me as scum.-
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Up until you asked to 1v1 me you had 72 posts.In post 427, DkKoba wrote:i literally have been simultaneously playing the game and making stances/comments about the game.
For content you have:
-A rvs vote
-You said andante town stonks are going down
-Voted virgo in response to them saying they want to solve and not play chess
-A post about controlling mafia's kill
-Said andante attempted a pocket
-Voted me
-Said you could link me to games with quickhammers
-"^this" to a post
-2 more posts on the quickhammers
-Asked how many scum we think there are
-Asked Andante what they think of me
-Said you think I'm scum
-Said you're tunneled on me
-Said you TR virgo
-Asked people to vote me
-Said I'm potentially the flag bearer
-T3 townslip
-Mech stuff
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How do you think the scum flagbearer is playing?In post 432, DkKoba wrote:if pooky stops posting puzzles ill be more inclined to tryhard more and focus on the overarching game
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You have more game related content and you're not entirely reactive as bugspray pointed out about Koba
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I'm leaning towards this. I think town!Andante genuinely sees those protecting them or whatever to be in good faith and easily townreads people who do thatIn post 461, Virgo wrote:That being said: there's a part of me that thinks Andante actually leans slightly towards town for how other people are rallying around them?-
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It's just a meme. It means stockIn post 477, Amy Dunne wrote:In post 187, Amy Dunne wrote:
Don’t you mean “stock”?In post 68, DkKoba wrote:andante town stonks going down...-
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Take a look at my scum games and see how often in the first couple day phases I go up against someone who's pushing meIn post 494, DkKoba wrote:also if you actually look at my content i give a solve, am confident in that solve, and am pushing the game in the direction of said solve. To say im not trying to play is dishonest and the only reason raya is trying to pull that is bc i am v interested in the puzzles and the theme and happen to be pushing on her
Yes, I do know you can do that, and you tend to rapid fire analysis regardless of alignment which is why I'm concerned for you lack of this game. To summarize your content posts: some blank votes, losing TR on andante and attempted pocket, controlling maf's kill, quickhammer discussion, discussion about me, TR virgo, T3 townslip, mechIn post 496, DkKoba wrote:
Yes and? Posting style is 100% nai for me LMAO you know i can rapid fire fake analysis for many posts especially on d1In post 444, Raya36 wrote:
Up until you asked to 1v1 me you had 72 posts.In post 427, DkKoba wrote:i literally have been simultaneously playing the game and making stances/comments about the game.
For content you have:
-A rvs vote
-You said andante town stonks are going down
-Voted virgo in response to them saying they want to solve and not play chess
-A post about controlling mafia's kill
-Said andante attempted a pocket
-Voted me
-Said you could link me to games with quickhammers
-"^this" to a post
-2 more posts on the quickhammers
-Asked how many scum we think there are
-Asked Andante what they think of me
-Said you think I'm scum
-Said you're tunneled on me
-Said you TR virgo
-Asked people to vote me
-Said I'm potentially the flag bearer
-T3 townslip
-Mech stuff
That's 19 posts out of 72 and some were 1 word or 1 vote or very short lines
That's not a lot for you for 21 pages in
This supports my point on AndanteIn post 499, Andante wrote:In post 491, DkKoba wrote:I said andante is scum
I'm scum trying to tell people I think you're town? whatever
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That was almost for sure a town shot, I don't see why you're trying to figure out who it was in thread like thatIn post 504, Andante wrote:tbh that's a weird shot though, like, it wouldn't come from town cause we were voting koba, that doesn't make sense, I'd believe scum, but which scum would shoot Koba there??
Wait why do you think scum wants to shoot Koba right now? They were a viable miselim with what was happening around that slot.In post 510, flow trap wrote:I agree that it's almost definitely not a town shot since they are almost lycheed anyways-
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Right, I counted 3 because I forgot about the resetIn post 522, flow trap wrote:
There are only 2 votes on them cause of the reset, I thoughtIn post 514, Raya36 wrote:(I want to vote Andante but not bring to E-1 so consider my vote there)
Maybe but it still doesn't feel right. Why wouldn't scum wait and get out someone highly townreadIn post 523, flow trap wrote:
To frame you or AmyIn post 519, Raya36 wrote:So you don't think there was town motivation. But what is the scum motivation to make that shot?
Cause DK was starting to put up a fight
To disrupt
Wait isn't claiming this not a good idea?In post 527, Andante wrote:uhhh speed wagoning me is stupid, I am the king, I also have a vest
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I know but I'm confused soIn post 576, flow trap wrote:Raya, do you know the "I am confused" card is scummy?
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Agreed.In post 581, Andante wrote:thus we need to find the black king in as few moves as possible
Also thinking back to the shot, it probably was scum shot. Way too risky for town to shoot like that without a claim and our white king out there
I'm half considering T3 to be too scummy to be scum. Kind of bold to be the only one pushing to elim the claimed white knight? Unless of course that is the only way to kill you.In post 582, Andante wrote:In post 580, Raya36 wrote:
I know but I'm confused soIn post 576, flow trap wrote:Raya, do you know the "I am confused" card is scummy?
I doubt elimination is the only way scum can kill you though?
scum has guns. we don't know the number of scum, they'll shoot randomly till they have majority... we're down to 8 now... T3 is still pushing for me to be directly limmed... as if that'll happen... I think we have at most 2 lims to find a scum.. preferably their king... what if you all just mass claimed then? (only the piece) idk just an idea, like king is actually out, and if 4 people claim knights or something... idk just a thought
I'm not sure about a massclaim actually. Would scum be forced to claim knights so we elim in there and have their knight claim pawn?
I thought you thought the shot came from scum...In post 589, T3 wrote:It feels like you are trying to draw out the real king andusing thebulletproof thing to justify you not getting shot.-
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Ok I understand your case now. My vote stays though for you trying to push a king claimIn post 609, T3 wrote:I don't think I was clear.
scumdante claims king. scumdante survives a few days. town wonders why scumdante hasn't been shot. town lims scumdante. I think Andante is scum trying to aboid that by claiming bulletproof.
What if I said I think flow is townIn post 642, Andante wrote:
so amy is town, bug is town, virgo is town, raya is town, assuming im town,In post 637, T3 wrote:Other than the way Amy is speaking, her thin ISO reads towny.
every singe pedit for the last 10 minutes:#StopT3Abuse
that just leaves flow and Isis. You think flow + Isis is the team?
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This is a really dumb reason but when I was calling out Koba for their one liners and lack of content, flow joked by saying they felt attacked. Then specified it was a joke when I asked but because they do the same as Koba post-style wise. But why does scum!flow call themselves out like that completely unprompted?-
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You quoting that with no context looks really really bad for you
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I wouldn't be that quick to call it a townslip. We don't know for sure there are 3.In post 331, DkKoba wrote:i think the fact that t3 is convinced theres only 2 scum is a townslip
with 9p and nightless and a flagbearer on both sides i would say that 3 scum is the most likely.In post 444, Raya36 wrote:
Up until you asked to 1v1 me you had 72 posts.In post 427, DkKoba wrote:i literally have been simultaneously playing the game and making stances/comments about the game.
For content you have:
[redacted]
-T3 townslip
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That's 19 posts out of 72 and some were 1 word or 1 vote or very short lines
Those were the only times I mentioned the "townslip"In post 501, Raya36 wrote: Yes, I do know you can do that, and you tend to rapid fire analysis regardless of alignment which is why I'm concerned for you lack of this game. To summarize your content posts: some blank votes, losing TR on andante and attempted pocket, controlling maf's kill, quickhammer discussion, discussion about me, TR virgo, T3 townslip, mech
That's not a lot for you for 21 pages in
YeahIn post 690, bugspray wrote:so raya isn't actually calling it a townslip and it's just dkkoba who did?
I agree. We should leave Isis for this reasonIn post 697, bugspray wrote:do we want to elim our potential queen? like assuming isis is scum!dayvig then i'd hope town!dayvig shoots her and then we are 5v2 nightless with bearers
Where's the scumslip?In post 705, Isis wrote:I never said the dayvig corresponds to the queen chess piece, I think Andante and bugspray just scumslipped together lol
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No that's actually a decent point. Of all chess pieces I wouldn't have thought queen for a vig. I would expect knight. Or maybe rook.In post 711, bugspray wrote:the slip is me saying "elim our potential queen" and she thinks that it must mean i'm scum and know that the scum dayvig is called a queen and "let it slip" instead of just guessing the nbame of the role because of the theme-
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I'm not considering yours a scumslip if it is that. Scumslips are pretty rare so I'm not even fully convinced for bugspray but it is a good pointIn post 715, Andante wrote:
I'd also like to point out Isis accused me of slipping as well... I just went along with bugspray.. I mean king is bulletproof, I'd believe queen gunnedIn post 713, Raya36 wrote:
No that's actually a decent point. Of all chess pieces I wouldn't have thought queen for a vig. I would expect knight. Or maybe rook.In post 711, bugspray wrote:the slip is me saying "elim our potential queen" and she thinks that it must mean i'm scum and know that the scum dayvig is called a queen and "let it slip" instead of just guessing the nbame of the role because of the theme-
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Alright. I'll think on this a bit. Claims and slips are hardIn post 783, Isis wrote:I am white queen I thought my statements already should make it clear I'm hard claiming that. I got one dayvig shot and there was ainimum ount of RL time before I could shoot it
Bad ideaIn post 786, Isis wrote: Maybe we should just eliminate Andante cause we are inevitably going to be about to elim someone claiming flagbearers at some point and the slot is just so wolfy
Andante's panic felt very genuine but also scumking!andante could panic the same way and then claim to explain the panic as a last resort. Either way we should never elim there today
If Isis was the scum vig this would be very risky because the chances of a town vig as well are high. So I think Isis is ok.
Flow probably did scumslip. The flavour isn't obvious to be assumed like that. Andante didn't scumslip. I believe that they just took what Flow said at face value
What makes you say scum doesn't have a vig?In post 808, Andante wrote:In post 806, Virgo wrote:Man, I just find the concept of a king with a BP so weird, like.
You're king, outting when you're wagoned, sure. That's fine and I get it but why out the vested part after knowing there's a dayvig like that? You don't know their alignment, etc.
I told yall, I figured from the start scum was gunned because of my vest, thus, I'm not certain on Isis's claim here... To me it makes 0 sense for us to have a vig and scum not to-
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Ok that makes more sense. Apparently I can't read because you said that very clearly oopsIn post 817, Andante wrote:In post 816, Raya36 wrote:What makes you say scum doesn't have a vig?
I'm saying there's no way scum doesn't have one... it's nightless
Correction. It was bugspray, not flowIn post 818, Isis wrote:
If flow was the first person to equate vigs to queens I am out here wanting to kill whoever started to equate queens to vigs.In post 816, Raya36 wrote:
Alright. I'll think on this a bit. Claims and slips are hardIn post 783, Isis wrote:I am white queen I thought my statements already should make it clear I'm hard claiming that. I got one dayvig shot and there was ainimum ount of RL time before I could shoot it
Bad ideaIn post 786, Isis wrote: Maybe we should just eliminate Andante cause we are inevitably going to be about to elim someone claiming flagbearers at some point and the slot is just so wolfy
Andante's panic felt very genuine but also scumking!andante could panic the same way and then claim to explain the panic as a last resort. Either way we should never elim there today
If Isis was the scum vig this would be very risky because the chances of a town vig as well are high. So I think Isis is ok.
Flow probably did scumslip. The flavour isn't obvious to be assumed like that. Andante didn't scumslip. I believe that they just took what Flow said at face value
What makes you say scum doesn't have a vig?In post 808, Andante wrote:In post 806, Virgo wrote:Man, I just find the concept of a king with a BP so weird, like.
You're king, outting when you're wagoned, sure. That's fine and I get it but why out the vested part after knowing there's a dayvig like that? You don't know their alignment, etc.
I told yall, I figured from the start scum was gunned because of my vest, thus, I'm not certain on Isis's claim here... To me it makes 0 sense for us to have a vig and scum not to
VOTE: flow trap
That's my bad, I got my players and events confusedIn post 823, flow trap wrote:
Step 1: Iso meIn post 818, Isis wrote:If flow was the first person to equate vigs to queens I am out here wanting to kill whoever started to equate queens to vigs.
Step 2: Control+F
Step 3: Search Vig+Queen
Oops
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a. Right, but same idea still.In post 834, Andante wrote:
a. there's no nightIn post 833, Raya36 wrote:Something I've been thinking which might be a stretch. What if Isis is the scum!vig and Bugspray is the town!vig and his slip was a townslip and not a scumslip and Isis is hoping to get him eliminated before they shoot at each other at night.
Someone let me know if that's too much of a stretch
b. I could definitely see that, but Isis went to E-1 and bugspray wasn't voting Isis
b. Then probably not. That makes no sense with bugspray scum too actually.
Apologies Bugspray, I'll be more carefulIn post 836, Isis wrote:
Bugspray is a they. Please pay that mind.In post 833, Raya36 wrote:Something I've been thinking which might be a stretch. What if Isis is the scum!vig and Bugspray is the town!vig and his slip was a townslip and not a scumslip and Isis is hoping to get him eliminated before they shoot at each other at night.
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