Micro 1013: IMoA [game over!]

[VFP]

VOTE: Moongrass

Don't ask questions, just sheep me!

[VFP]

As in, why is the wagon on moonlight good?

I said don't ask questions!

[VFP]

I think Sigmund is onto something!

[VFP]

Do you always play like this? Because i find it to be extremely scummy.

It only goes down hill from here!

[VFP]

What confidence level do you have to defend me here, ta vera?

[VFP]

Maybe I'm wrong, but Sigmund's post do not look overly serious.

[VFP]

Well there goes the dream...

[VFP]

Well there goes the dream...

did you want them to vote for you?

I was hoping for a lim before they posted!
We were 1 away!

[VFP]

Is it too soon to call a scumteam? *giggle*

I like your thinking.

[VFP]

You like that the two people who voted for me I am now calling scum? Hmm.

Yeah, it's thinking outside of the box.

[VFP]

How do you feel about ta vera, VFP? Do you like them for town?

No, not town.
It's odd they defended me against NorwegianboyEE. Even stranger to follow up with the reason being that they don't know if I'm town or scum.
It stopped any progression NorwegianboyEE could have had to sort me in the situation or me sort NorwegianboyEE.

[VFP]

What?
Can you elaborate.

I've never seen the 2 opening posts be scum voting together.
I've never seen someone scum pair 2 players voting them in the 2 opennig posts.
This is not a common thing, neither a common thing to push. Therefore, it's outside the box thinking.

Commonly, scum being within me or ta vera would be thinking in the box.

[VFP]

Norwegianboy seems like that player should shouldn't be an easy day 1 lim, but ends up being that day 1 lim.
Side note though, let's chill on those kind of insults.

VOTE: ta vera

Ta is.pretty concerned what players think, and I feel is just getting away with muttering in the back ground while Sigmund and Norwegianboy shit up the thread.

[VFP]

could you say something about me please?

This one I'm slightly torn on though.
Is it a push to further the game and stop whats going on? Or is it just to stay under the radar and look to be asking question?
116 suggests it's the second one. If you think Sigmund is scummy then you would be voicing this over asking their opinion on you.

[VFP]

Norwegianboy seems like that player that shouldn't be an easy day 1 lim, but ends up being that day 1 lim.

Fixed.

[VFP]

I'll take them.

[VFP]

V/LA - feeling rough from covod jab.

[VFP]

I'll be catching up tonight.

[VFP]

I am not Not Mafia

I believe it.

[VFP]

i can't shake the feeling that moongrass's reads are made up, but i can't think of anything to ask them.

So outside of Moon who's scum?

[VFP]

VOTE: sigmund

we could yeet this

and settle his bloodlust

permanently

I doubt scum Sigmund changes the push on the northsidegal slot and calls them town. And it certainly isn't S/S there.

[VFP]

Moon loses town points for not scum hunting at all and just trying to coast the day.
Opportunist voting?

@Moon

do you have an update of 434

[VFP]

It says a lot about the game state when 1 of my only 2 town reads is Sigmund.

[VFP]

what

why wouldn't scum me abandon pushing on a slot that spews itself as town by rage repping out

I'm not an idiot I just pretend to be one.

My main point was calling them town for it.
Scum you gets no benefit there and even risks being pushed for it.

If you come out and said, that's a scum replace couldn't handle the pressure, it keeps the stick you were presenting.

[VFP]

Icon's too in your face to be scum.
405 is town minded unless Ico and Moon are the scum team.

Andre was the other town read of mine for what it's worth.

I'll continue later I have work now.

[VFP]

Moon loses town points for not scum hunting at all and just trying to coast the day.
Opportunist voting?

@Moon

do you have an update of 434

Why did I have town points?

I find it odd that I'm being accused of coasting with opportunistic voting when I have been the most targeted player, the most active player and I've provided two sets of updated reads compared to your trolling, lack of engagement and no reads of substance.

If you're looking for a non-suspicious way to hop on my wagon, there isn't one for you.

If you didn't do a post of your reads I'd have you as scum now for trying to dodge the question.
Also I don't need to have reasons good or bad if I want you eliminated.

[VFP]

Updated:

Uneven
Ta vera
Nsg
SS
Sigmund
Ico
Andre's
VFP.

it's unlikely Sigmund is partnered with Ico.
Andres/Ico could be interesting but I'm not sure Ico unvotes me as scum.

Explain the top 2 like I'm an idiot.

[VFP]

I think Ta, SS, and Andre is a decent lim pool.

At best these 3 should be a null. Any town reads then present them

[VFP]

I think Ta, SS, and Andre is a decent lim pool.

I would replace Andresvmb with Iconeum here. And outside of NorwegianboyEE's exit northsidegal has not felt particularly towny to me but I am willing to trust Sigmund on this matter at this time.

I agree with the NorwegianboyEE side of this.
It's NAI as a replacement goes. I need to go over NSG properly yet but I don't see anything that pings me

[VFP]

You're dodging mine. Yes you need reasons whether you're scum or not.

I didn't take your question as serious since I said early on I like the thinking outside of the box.
Either you're not paying attention to the game or you're asking questions to look proactive. Which is it?

And no, I really don't. If I think you're scum and I can't put my finger on it, I'll vote you.

[VFP]

Of course you have the ability to vote me, I'm saying you need reasons to cover your own behind.

Why am I not paying attention? You're the one who has been absent and who accuses me of behavior that is clearly inaccurate.

Try again buddy.

I will say that I do like your push on nsg. I don't see scum doing that if nsg is town as they can just conveniently dispose of her N1 with no one questioning that NK.

And I'm telling you that I don't. You have this image that I'm going to vote where's safe or care about a retaliation vote on me.

I've been absent yes, but I recall the game and I know what happened. You chose the only wrong option here, and that was to deny/divert away from my question. Not paying attention / forget in a slow paced game is not AI, and neither is posting questions to look proactive, as long as the motive is there to get things rolling.

I havent really pushed on NSG, I'm just not giving credit where not due.

Let's talk as if we are both confirmed town to each other though.
What do you think of my lim pool, and what would yours be in this kind of scenario?
I think 3 names works best to match mine and I'll explain why after.

[VFP]

I care about a retaliation vote on you in coming days. You misunderstand my perspective. I don't care if I go down I care if I take town with me because they couldn't give good reasons for their vote and will be easy targets.

I wasn't expecting a response like this. I like it.

Ico, Andres, and SS.

So since we would both have SS and Andre, let's talk about these two.
Thoughts directly on SS? I think SS is just cautious to make a push or a stance here, considering 24 pages in and yet SS hasn't even casted a vote.
There was a point where SS flipped a play style for me

320

Before this, SS looks to be heading into a direction and after, it feels something changed and SS lost interest.

[VFP]

I found that post empty. Obviously it was a meta read, the question could be considered posting for the sake of posting.

The post isn't of concern itself, but the way SS is playing before and after

VFP what are your thoughts on Ico?

So I have 0 experience with Ico and I have no meta knowledge.
But Ico just comes across as not caring and just to be in everyone's face.

The read list isn't of anything to be impressed with I agree there, and is pretty lazy. However, that would suggest that Ico is being lazy in general.
If scum, Ico is looking for the "scum don't do this" and most likely putting effort into their posts to get this read, so a lazy read post doesn't fit in this situation.
This goes back to my lack of caring comment.

The biggest down fall I see with Ico is still having Sigmund as scum while responding positively to my post about Sigmund being town.

I do think though that Ico would be a bad lim today regardless.

[VFP]

Am I fish boy or is SS fish boy?

If its me

Ta vera
SS
Andre

In that order.

Ta isn't trying to sort anyone.
Their ISO is just low key fluff. I've read it several times and I just have no idea where they are at in the game.
I know that they scum read Moon, I find it hard to progressively see why though.

Even when I asked who was scum outside of Moon, Ta showed that they didn't care to contribute.

If Ta gives me something to work with though I'll review this. I'm assuming a read list is planned, unless Ta is dodging taking more of a stance.

[VFP]

could maybe sub one of them with VFP but i'm sort of doubtful and from what i've reviewed VFP has a better scumgame than i initially expected (no offense or anything, just what i expected based on join date)

Can you elaborate on this?
I have 2 scum games which went terribly wrong for me.

[VFP]

UneveN and Sigmund are Town though - we agree there. My position hasn’t changed there.

Who else do you have?

[VFP]

i guess i should start by looking into moongrass like i was supposed to ages ago

This just seems to be another cop out to not do anything and I don't understand why this behaviour is considered town?

[VFP]

I was in the middle of reading VFP’s ISO yesterday and I fell asleep.

So you voted VFP for being boring?

No. That was more a point of me literally not delved deep enough into VFP so take my vote as provisional, not VFP being boring haha

Actually hurt my feelings until this post!

Anyway, it's my first time meeting up with my gaming group since March 2020 so I'm pretty hyped and therefore I shall not participate tonight

@Sang Froid

To help you get into the game, your slot I feel like has been posting nothing but fluff or just avoiding making reads. I don't see the replace out as AI as there are favourable reasons for either end.
If I'm not voting you today, I'll be on SS next.
I made a post about SS 588.
I'm interested more in your Moon, Ico and NSG reads here though once caught up.

On that note, I hope everyone has a great night!

[VFP]

UNVOTE: Sang Froid

There's a catch up for me to read.

[VFP]

Stop that!

[VFP]

I was prodded

VOTE: Something Smart

I think SS is just scum here. There's.anough players to suspect SS as well so let's see how much resistance there is here.

[VFP]

So no takers to SS?

[VFP]

VOTE: Andre

That's E1.
Since we only have 15 hours, let's just get this claim on the road.

[VFP]

That explains a lot.

UNVOTE:

So does being a neibour make Andre town here for you?

[VFP]

Still plausible scum.
Outting NSG as a neibour too is pretty scummy.

Andre can't claim anything else as scum here though so I don't doubt the Neibour part of the claim.

[VFP]

Yeah there's no reason for us to vote outside of the neibours with a Mason claim. Otherwise town effectively have 2 sets of masons, which I don't buy.
If anything the last few pages show Sigmund setting up NSG to fail here which looks really bad for them.

I think Andre flips scum and NSG flips town.
I'll swap to NSG if the time is about to end though.

[VFP]

Also not caught up but that seems to be what’s happened here

Going to need more of an explanation here.
You're not CC a Mason claim but calling Moons claim fake?

[VFP]

Yeah there's no reason for us to vote outside of the neibours with a Mason claim. Otherwise town effectively have 2 sets of masons, which I don't buy.

neighbors are not effectively masons.

If both are town they really can be.
The second you can read the other as town you are basically masons.

Do you town read Andre?

[VFP]

Hi ta vera.

M

ay I

a

sk for

s

ome of your

o

pinions

n

ow?

I think Moon means this one.

[VFP]

no, they're not. the strength in masons comes from being confirmed town to each other, not the communication aspect. do you know what would actually be similar to masons? two people who knew each other so well that they could both very strongly claim that the other is town, and convince other people on that as well.

from a setup balance perspective, neighbors are simply not comparable to masons. they're just not.

No, having the ability to discuss thoughts in a PT is where the main power of a Mason is.
This is the same from 2 neibours who town read each other. Stop making out that this isn't strong.

I'll ask again, do you town read Andre?

[VFP]

We're not voting away from the neibours. There's no way I believe they are T/T with masons.
I'm town mailman though since I'm E1.

[VFP]

What's unknown?

And no. We lim in the neibours.

[VFP]

For the record, Datisi is a scum sided mod as confirmed the last game.
If you think masons plus 2 town neibours against a mailman is scum sided, then there's not much to say.

[VFP]

In what world do I claim mailman as scum instead of VT or a power like PT cop here?

[VFP]

I can prove it tonight.

[VFP]

Lim Andre, scum means I'm just right anyway.
Town, either I'm lying and not a mailman or I'm proven.

[VFP]

Delivering messages doesn't prove you're not scum.

You're argument is my role claim is false though. I can prove its not.
There is no world where I claim my real role here as scum. I officially can't say why yet but I can assure you that claiming PT cop would be my go to here.
You can find out why yourself.

[VFP]

If you want to see a Datisi mod game then look at this one.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324

Datisi is a scum sided mod.

We lim in the neibours.

[VFP]

No I'm not lying. I have a role that can be proven real or not.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79367

My views on hoods are explained here.
I was so wrong with pushing the hood as town it actually made me quit for 2 years.
They are never T/T.

[VFP]

Vedith.

[VFP]

I spent the entire day pushing that my hood were town and that it is basically a Mason group.
I was wrong, although the thoughts are still correct.

[VFP]

At the very least you know that my opinion on the neibours is genuine here.
And if you know me, I don't just claim my role the moment at E1 when scum, I think about what role helps me get info or keeps me alive.
Mailman isn't common enough to look for a CC neither a role that overly helps town so it doesn't fit into the above.

[VFP]

We lim in the neibours.

That's where scum is.

[VFP]

Well done town
Thanks for modding Datisi!