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I'm agreeing with parela here. Pooky feels different this game at the very least. I'd say there's a decently higher chance of them being town/jester this game
In post 38, kookiemonster wrote:im not a hundred percent sure but pooky definitely isn't town here. I could see him as jester but I mean killing jester day 1 is fine by me too. just don't kill vt day 1. that's the goal here.
well if you are town then this is true. as i am town and wind jewels is TOWN, thus!! but now how do i know you are not the one pocketing
I have the IC to pocket and I have Raya to pocket. Why would I decide to come mess with bugs and shiki?
You know, I wasn't gonna let you pocket me, but then I saw rayugnus
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Post #110 (isolation #4) » Thu May 27, 2021 9:03 pm
Postby Sommers 365 »
Did people learn nothing from the last iteration? If the jester doesn't claim, then a jester wannabe will step up and end themselves and give the goon the win instead. So please kindly claim for a free and easy win. I propose this order for the massclaim:
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Post #111 (isolation #5) » Thu May 27, 2021 9:05 pm
Postby Sommers 365 »
Chillin Bois/kookie 1v1 could be mafia/jester shenanigans since they both seem to have little fear on the other being a jester, and aren't paranoid of it despite the other in the 1v1 basically begging to be 1v1ed
I mean just look at page 1, they basically fall into each other's death laps. Chillin starts this conflict though so more likely they're mafia in the 2
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Post #114 (isolation #8) » Thu May 27, 2021 9:18 pm
Postby Sommers 365 »
Actually actually, the fact Chillin has no paranoia whatsoever and is all or nothing pushing kookie makes them look really bad for the next day if they get jester!kookie killed, so maybe it's not that simple
kookie has the right amount of "but what if Chillin is jester and not mafia, I'm not sure" paranoia yet is voting Chillin anyway to fit the mafia pushing their jester mould. Also Chillin just reads way over the top in general this game and that could be a jester baiting
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Post #167 (isolation #9) » Sat May 29, 2021 3:34 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
Sorry, got busy
I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)
Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.
So my solve right now is:
Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)
Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.
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Post #170 (isolation #11) » Sat May 29, 2021 4:17 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
In post 166, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:i think sommers is scum. feels afraid to vibe and trying to not slip info
scum knows who the jester is and that's how the info that will cloud their posts to force them to unwillingly and unwittingly post ai info that gets them yeeted
sommers seems like someone who is trying to not get read and put in low efford while looking big effordt
Put your money where your mouth is and claim jester instead of implying we're not a jester, which we are
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Post #171 (isolation #12) » Sat May 29, 2021 4:19 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
kookie is just very transparently different from last game. From big walls to much more cautious speak, and Chillin just look like jesters. unwnd hasn't posted at all and he posted fine as scum, and would expect him to post more as town. Maybe he doesn't find jester fun and is leaving the trolling/hyperposting to Pooky
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Post #172 (isolation #13) » Sat May 29, 2021 4:23 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
In post 162, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:like you are town and we are town and the two scummiest are absolutely chillin and kookiemonster to me... but if we're more confident that -raya and -magnus at not traitor then voting -raya and -magnus potentially(???) the better option
Parela Parela, I think you're the other town this labyrinth. Do you disagree with the theory in 113/114? The mutual 1v1 is really really weird without outside shenanigans. Chillin aren't playing towards an end goal if they're scum and kookie jester, since they almost certainly die tomorrow for the push if that's the case. kookie on the other hand are pushing Chillin while leaving themselves room to act paranoid.
A natural 1v1 is the one we and kookie had last game. I thought they were scummy but not in a obvious jester way, and they were extremely paranoid we were a jester and didn't vote us until after a lot of deliberation and thoughts (the walls). There's none of that here
I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)
Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.
So my solve right now is:
Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)
Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.
-Raya
Raya, I'd normally say this to you in our hydra PT to save you some embarrassment, but these are shocking reads honestly
There is absolutely no way Sommers aren't jester here
In post 162, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:like you are town and we are town and the two scummiest are absolutely chillin and kookiemonster to me... but if we're more confident that -raya and -magnus at not traitor then voting -raya and -magnus potentially(???) the better option
Parela Parela, I think you're the other town this labyrinth. Do you disagree with the theory in 113/114? The mutual 1v1 is really really weird without outside shenanigans. Chillin aren't playing towards an end goal if they're scum and kookie jester, since they almost certainly die tomorrow for the push if that's the case. kookie on the other hand are pushing Chillin while leaving themselves room to act paranoid.
A natural 1v1 is the one we and kookie had last game. I thought they were scummy but not in a obvious jester way, and they were extremely paranoid we were a jester and didn't vote us until after a lot of deliberation and thoughts (the walls). There's none of that here
-Magnus
To be clear:
kookie-last game: Lots of paranoia and deliberation about someone who's scummy being a jester, before sorting their thoughts out and voting them
kookie-this game: A little paranoia sprinkled in here and there while voting who they think is scum, no in-depth deliberation
I think kookie as jester might not even fake that little paranoia, since it serves no purpose, the fact it's in there is because they want to act like they're paranoid about Chillin being a jester in the event they can push them out and they flip jester
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Post #177 (isolation #16) » Sat May 29, 2021 4:31 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
@noraa
So we've had 2 games together
deck of astral roles: you were 3p, I was scum, it was multiball. I voted you in my first post d1 as a scumread and you flipped 3p. I did think you townspewed after where I stopped my catch up to be fair. But since then I've learned that is not your townspewing so I can read that better now
animals upick: both of us were town, I only ever townread you and it was by both believing your claim and townreading your play
In post 166, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:i think sommers is scum. feels afraid to vibe and trying to not slip info
scum knows who the jester is and that's how the info that will cloud their posts to force them to unwillingly and unwittingly post ai info that gets them yeeted
sommers seems like someone who is trying to not get read and put in low efford while looking big effordt
Put your money where your mouth is and claim jester instead of implying we're not a jester, which we are
I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)
Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.
So my solve right now is:
Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)
Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.
-Raya
Raya, I'd normally say this to you in our hydra PT to save you some embarrassment, but these are shocking reads honestly
There is absolutely no way Sommers aren't jester here
I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)
Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.
So my solve right now is:
Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)
Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.
-Raya
Raya, I'd normally say this to you in our hydra PT to save you some embarrassment, but these are shocking reads honestly
There is absolutely no way Sommers aren't jester here
-Magnus
Unfortunately you're only embarrassing yourself
-Raya
Check the google doc, I've made a constructive criticism column for your benefit
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Post #196 (isolation #26) » Sat May 29, 2021 4:59 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
In post 191, Wind Jewels wrote:Our avatar is Rahu and Yomi, characters from a tactical RPG gacha game called Alchemist Code. Rahu is an energetic chronomancer and Yomi is a nimble monk
In post 162, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:like you are town and we are town and the two scummiest are absolutely chillin and kookiemonster to me... but if we're more confident that -raya and -magnus at not traitor then voting -raya and -magnus potentially(???) the better option
Parela Parela, I think you're the other town this labyrinth. Do you disagree with the theory in 113/114? The mutual 1v1 is really really weird without outside shenanigans. Chillin aren't playing towards an end goal if they're scum and kookie jester, since they almost certainly die tomorrow for the push if that's the case. kookie on the other hand are pushing Chillin while leaving themselves room to act paranoid.
A natural 1v1 is the one we and kookie had last game. I thought they were scummy but not in a obvious jester way, and they were extremely paranoid we were a jester and didn't vote us until after a lot of deliberation and thoughts (the walls). There's none of that here
-Magnus
To be clear:
kookie-last game: Lots of paranoia and deliberation about someone who's scummy being a jester, before sorting their thoughts out and voting them
kookie-this game: A little paranoia sprinkled in here and there while voting who they think is scum, no in-depth deliberation
I think kookie as jester might not even fake that little paranoia, since it serves no purpose, the fact it's in there is because they want to act like they're paranoid about Chillin being a jester in the event they can push them out and they flip jester
-Magnus
Magnus last game: scummy as fuck
Magnus this game: writing three page thesis's
who's scum here?
Sommers is scum
pooky is jester
game is solved.
Right, we're scum because I've posted more words this time in a game that's lasted longer than the last one. This is definitely a genuine read you have
I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)
Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.
So my solve right now is:
Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)
Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.
-Raya
I am happy with this solve even though it's wrong because I want to yeet Kookie into the sun
In post 169, Sommers 365 wrote:I'd have to fact check that but I'm pretty certain I've read you correctly before...
-Raya
You placed that E-2 vote on me page 5 or something as town which is embarrassing as hell. I wouldn't be surprised if ur actually jester this game. ur read on me is way overconfident. You say I'm scum and your reads are so reliable because you've read me correctly one singular time.
And ftr. I consider survivor to be the same thing as town essentially so get that right.
Also why the fuck would I put effort into town spewing after last game
Wrong head. I wasn't even around before the hammer besides 1 memepost so I never got the opportunity to get any read on you. Not liking the misrep. I also read you correctly twice but that's besides the point.
In post 219, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:do you think magnus knows how to obvscum on cue? as how to play as jester was difficult for me as i am usually confused as to why people want to eliminate me when they do
doubt he's doing it on purpose
You think we're the jester, and magnus is subconsciously acting like mafia? That doesn't make any sense?
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Post #270 (isolation #34) » Sat May 29, 2021 10:18 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
That was kookie's original push. If mafia, they can't just flop over and die, they're probably pushing back on us because think they have better odds at pushing us than Chillin. Maybe because of what you guys were saying earlier with your reads, and you being UTR
kookie would be trying to get chillin eliminated by voting for you and hoping we disagree then?
which is not impossible because they can just come back on for free but it seems less likely that they'd be mafia and pushing you primarily instead of chillin if chillin was jester
I don't think kookie-mafia wins this game if they continue pushing Chilling and manage to get them killed. I've been pushing that dynamic all game
In post 276, Sommers 365 wrote:I didn't consider jesters self-voting at L-1 in that game
I have now considered this
-Magnus
it was probably indicative of me to have shown that i had considered it last game but for some reason (probably the brainworms) i thought it would have the reverse effect of why would they show they have considered this if they are jester
Huh, good point. I thought the observation was useful so I gave you anti-jester equity for some reason
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Post #316 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:28 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
113 looks very different in hindsight. Chillin literally did just enter the game with a kamikaze attack the jester strat. Also, it's interesting that they never vote kookie after we had earlier. Based on their confidence on kookie being scum, they should have, but instead, they wait for Parela/Wand Jowels to vote them first
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Post #317 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:30 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
Not sure if they think that makes them look better because their hands are clean of the wagon, but it doesn't
Good luck, Parela. We don't mind losing here if you vote Chillin, but it would be nice if you could give us the jester win, Raya's been working really late nights to get this for us
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Post #328 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:32 pm
Postby Sommers 365 »
I'm not faking any lack of awareness, Parela, I just forget obvious details sometimes. This isn't a game I've exactly given a lot of thought outside of whenever I come in post. I mean, last game, I forgot jesters could hammer at L-1 (I was town)
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Post #329 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:34 pm
Postby Sommers 365 »
Just read the push from chillin on kookie the entire day with little to no paranoia of kookie potentially being a jester. You'd think they'd consider/talk about the possibility a lot more if they're town and kookie is 50/50 jester/mafia since they're being scummy. It's shameless and brave and chillin bois deserve a medal of honour but it's also scum
As early as this post Chillin established kookie was one or the other but just not town. And then the following rest of the day phase has very little consideration of the jester half, only the scum half. That's playing with an agenda of pushing kookie out since they get that sweet sweet Wand kill
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Post #335 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:19 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
Well from my point of view it basically has to be chillin. If Parela had pushed kookie more as scum (rather than potential jester) I would say Chillin pushed too hard to be scum and it could be parela but they played as polar opposites. One considered all possibilities. The other just wanted Kookie elimed. So unless Chillin and us are both town and both incorrectly pushed the jester while Parela just laid back then is has to be Chillin.
In post 329, Sommers 365 wrote:Just read the push from chillin on kookie the entire day with little to no paranoia of kookie potentially being a jester. You'd think they'd consider/talk about the possibility a lot more if they're town and kookie is 50/50 jester/mafia since they're being scummy. It's shameless and brave and chillin bois deserve a medal of honour but it's also scum
-Magnus
This is exactly it in better words. Parela considered the possibilities. Chillin did not to the same extent at all.
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Post #343 (isolation #46) » Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:10 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
In post 336, ParelaphostrongylusTenuis wrote:it seems strange that you are considering us to be town because we considered options as opposed to the fact that the game would be over and we would currently be being fitted for crowns if we were mafia
Wait, you're right. I keep forgetting about the quick hammering thing. So it's fully just Chillin
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Post #359 (isolation #47) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:45 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
This is like a replica of their last game, Parela, they lolhammered kookie and probably expected to lose the next day, I don't think they're that invested in winning
I don't think either wants to put in effort to actually fake reasons for why we're scum and are just hoping you randomly choose us
sommers 365 is mafia! because they are! and thus fake too!
which should lean towards you being mafia? but for some reason is currently having the opposite effect on me
Like don't overthink this
Them coming out gunning to kill kookie with no paranoia on potential jestering is obvscum. It's in the same vein of them lolhammering kookie last game despite that being obvscum
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Post #369 (isolation #50) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:42 am
Postby Sommers 365 »
I thought you sounded more unnatural this game actually which is why I thought you were jester, the trolling read way over the top
367: I linked somewhere earlier that Chillin considered kookie was either jester or mafia, but just not town in an early post, page 1 or 2 I think. They then didn't consider kookie to be a jester throughout the rest of the game. That complete lack of paranoia is unrealistic as town
Also, if they really were as confident as they say they were in being right, then they would've just voted kookie instead of refraining for whatever reason. I don't know what the motive is behind not voting but it doesn't correlate with what they're saying either way
In post 362, Sommers 365 wrote:I thought about which one was more likely though and you can see that process in my earlier posts, I just got the 50/50 wrong
Chillin didn't stop to think about it at all
-Magnus
this is actually a point in my favor
I didn't stop to think about it because I was convinced I was
right
I didn't even think there would be a tomorrow or a need to act/pretend like I was conflicted or some bullshit.
This is because I have an uninformed perspective.
This actually doesn't work in your favour. You knew who the jester was and you were set on getting them eliminated. You made a case and stuck to it, didn't bother to pretend to think about other possibilities or forgot to. And now you came up with the defense of being convinced. Nobody should ever be that convinced in a game of mafia that they don't even consider anything else. If you were uninformed like you claim to have been then you would have shown at least some confliction. The uninformed show confliction. That's how a town thought process works.