Micro 1016 | Newbie Game But Not Really | Town wins

[OutWorldER]

actually you know what

VOTE: Cupcake

I can follow the logic of it being somewhat unlikely they got three VT's in a row and I'm also sus of the Cop night action for reasons I don't want to state in case somebody screws up.

[VFP]

FMFT claimed VT 3 times in a row too though...

[OutWorldER]

I'm more sus of the cop action.

maybe it's WIFOM but it's the best lead I got right now.

[OutWorldER]

actually I'll just say it since if they have it they probably already know

The SK role PM I got before second rerand was a multitasking cop in addition.

[VFP]

Okay that's interesting then.
Did anyone get this role originally?

[Cupcake Butterfly]

actually you know what

VOTE: Cupcake

I can follow the logic of it being somewhat unlikely they got three VT's in a row and I'm also sus of the Cop night action for reasons I don't want to state in case somebody screws up.

I wanted to confirm if VT's did have a secret ability or not. I chose to cop VFP because I wanted to elucidate whether what I witnessed was T/T or T/S.

Do you think I'd claim VT 3 times if it weren't true, knowing how that worked for FMFT?

Too much risk and too little payoff for my blood.

[VFP]

Who was originally cop?

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Nobody to my knowledge? I had no clue how VT's acquired power IF they even did so.

[VFP]

Notice how there's no dead list on OP?

[Pickles]

Just waking up.
So who all had cop checks for real?
I was given a 3shot cop rolecard.
I tried to use one on Cupcake last night.
But like I said, I received nothing.
I’ve gotten three different rolecards.
And they’ve all done nothing.
If we don’t re-rand again, I’m gonna ask my shot amount.
I’m guessing if I was RBed, I should still have 3?

Did anyone have any actions that went through last night?
I’m not sure what all we get notified about.
Seems like we don’t receive any feedback at all.

[VFP]

Hmm going off what Pickles said..
What is the roles are x shot and carry over on a re roll?

[VFP]

So I just targeted NM but I didn't pick an action.
The person who attempted to kill the mod may not have been scum either as even I was actioning with the idea to kill.

Who targeted Lend? I want to see if it's true or Lend is lying.

[Pickles]

Hmm going off what Pickles said..
What is the roles are x shot and carry over on a re roll?

Hadn’t even thought of that!
It’s our third set of roles too.
Hmmm but why didn’t my check go through?
Maybe what Luke mentioned about the “Kick” ability.
It’s possibly how I was RBed.

@tris

when you had access to PT - did it tell you ability details?
If you don’t know, that’s okay.

[Lukewarm]

Who was originally cop?

Original PR claims were:

Vax - Cop
Korina - IC
Me - Mason
You - Mason

Everyone else claimed "V"T

[Lukewarm]

FMFT claimed VT 3 times in a row too though...

No, FMFT and Tris were the masons/mafia in the second bout of rolls

tris and I were mafia previously.

[Lukewarm]

@Vax, your original cop PR. Was it just a straight cop, or did it have any additional abilities

[tris]

why was there no pushback at all to the fmft elimination?

[tris]

All right VFP, if your goal was to dissuade pushback after literally gladiating yourself and the mislim D1, I'll entertain the idea that you're town, if not for entertainment purposes.

How do you read Vax and Tris' votes?

hold on, you voted in this wagon. why are you taking no responsibility?
VOTE: cupcake

[Lukewarm]

So I feel like I have been able to track each of the PRs through the rerolls, and they have been somewhat consistent: 2x Dreaming God Mafia, Cop, IC, + 5x vt. Obviously the mafia know now that they should not claim until after a re-roll, so it has been

Cop: Vax -> OWER -> Cupcake
IC: Kroina -> Pickles ->OWER
Mafia: Luke -> Korina -> ?
Mafia: VFP -> FMFT -> ?

The cop has apparently been slightly different (such as being multitasking with something else) but each of them have been there.

The biggest glaring differences were FMFT's claim to be an informed friendly neighbor in set up 2, but he later confirmed he was a mafia that set up, and that is why he lied.

And then VFP's claim of a majorly redacted role. - I feel like that is the biggest mystery in the game atm.

I know that VFP was the mafia in reroll 1, because I was their partner.

I know that VFP was still lying in reroll 2, because they said Korina was lying about our chat - I was not sure what was going on, so I played along, but clearly VFP was lying in re-roll two. I think that VFP thought that the two of us might still be the mafia after the reroll. 2. I also thought that might be the case, and that is why I kept the mason lie up.

Now that we are in the 3rd reroll, I no longer think that we are still the mafia team. Specifically, once FMFT said that him and Korina were the mafia together in reroll 2, But I am worried that VFP is still maintaining their claim from reroll 2. I think they lied about it, and are still lying about it, so I think that they rolled back into the mafia.

I don't know what else we can go on right now, so that is where I am voting.

If someone can back up their claim of the existance of this mysterious 5th pr, I will re-evaluate, but for now I am happy with my vote.

[lendunistus]

Micro 1016 Official Vote Count

Cupcake Butterfly

(3): Vaxkiller, OutWorldER, tris

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

tris

(1): Cupcake Butterfly

VFP

(1): Lukewarm

Not Voting

(2): Pickles, VFP

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-06-20 15:00:00)

Not_Mafia has been prodded.

[OutWorldER]

I mean it's possible that due to how bastard this game is there are just multiple cops running around (including also an SK) but I feel like that's unlikely since I feel like at least one of them should've gotten a guilty by now.

[Lukewarm]

I mean it's possible that due to how bastard this game is there are just multiple cops running around (including also an SK) but I feel like that's unlikely since I feel like at least one of them should've gotten a guilty by now.

Except we haven't had 2 people claim cop in any reroll. Each reroll has been fairly consistent. 1 IC, 1 cop(with or without a bonus), 2 mafia, 5 vt.

The only exceptions were a lie from someone who walked it back after they stopped being in the Mafia (FMFT)

And VFP's claim, which they never walked back.

There is a singular anomaly, and that is the only direction I see for us to follow right now

[VFP]

FMFT claimed VT 3 times in a row too though...

No, FMFT and Tris were the masons/mafia in the second bout of rolls

tris and I were mafia previously.

Ah sorry I thought he said he was VT all 3 times but apparently he didn't.

[VFP]

You realise that my name was the last name on the re roll.
Thats most likely why my role was redacted.
And I obviously wasn't scum after the first re roll so I could have just said VT. That was obviously not a lie.

The push from Luke on me does seem scum motivated though. Flipping me as town will make them look more town and probably try a theory that scum will bounce between everyone.
I'm starting to scum read Luke here because they have an idea how I play and this isn't scum me.

Impress me Luke or I'll lock us into a 1v1 trade with no going back.

[Lukewarm]

I think you are going to lay out the scum motivation a little better here for me to see it, because honestly, getting into a 1v1 with you most likely results in me being flipped tomorrow regardless of your flip. If you flip town, I am in the hot seat for pushing you. If you flip scum, then I am still a good flip because maybe our alignments are the same as they were in the beginning, and we are both still scum. The scum team should probably be laying low and hoping that the "lets just vote randomly" apathy that has shown up due to the confusion of this game continues, instead I am here trying to solve it.

I had 2 theories at the start of the day.

1) we were all still the same roles we were in the beginning, and the re rolls were all just smoke -- So yeah, I was worried that I might still be scum and not know it. That is why I wanted everyone to activate as ICs again. If it had worked for Tris, then her slot would still be the IC even though someone else currently has the IC role pm. But it didn't activate for Tris - so I am no longer worried that I am still scum.

2) I believed your redacted role PM claim, and I wanted to find out who had it now. I was going to suggest that we kill who ever had the redacted role pm, because I figured it might not be redacted when it flipped, and maybe we would have access to more information. But then no one claimed to have that role now - and that made me suspicious of you.


Things that I know.
-Roll 1, you were scum with me.
-Roll 2, you lied to the thread about us being scum team roll 1
-Also, during roll 2, I thought we both might still be scum, so I went with the lie
-Still during roll 2, you made a mysterious PM claim.
-Roll 3, there has been enough roll nonsense, for me to no longer think I am scum
-Also, during roll 3, you are still maintaining your mysterious roll claim.
-Still in roll 3, no one else has admitted to ever seeing your redacted roll claim.

I'm starting to scum read Luke here because they have an idea how I play and this isn't scum me.

This line is also absolute nonsense. I have played several games with you, but we have both been town in every game we have together. My only experience with scum you was THIS GAME, during the first roll. And in that little experience I had with you, what I saw was you coming up with a very detailed fake claim. It was good, but it also had a LOT of details. Enough that when I used your fake claim (sorry again for that lol) I trimmed off a lot of the excess details. - So you coming up with an elaborate fake claim is exactly how I have seen you play scum.

Once I accused you of it being a lie, my expectation was that town!you would have backed down from it, and admitted it was a lie to begin with, but instead you doubled down and decided to try and gladiate with me.

If you want me to focus somewhere else, and this goes to anyone, you gotta come up with somewhere else for me to look, because in the sea of confusion that is this game, this is the only clue I see on where to go from here, and succumbing to "lets random vote" apathy does not seem like a good alternative.

If you don't have anything better, then lets gladiate