Micro 1019: Dead Silence GAME OVER!

[Dwlee99]

This person is town

this person is scum
VOTE: VFP

[Dwlee99]

This game is... Dead Silent

[Dwlee99]

I want a wagon because wagons are fun but I don't want to E-1 on page 1 so HURT: Bugspray

[Dwlee99]

Well now it's page 2 soo...

[Dwlee99]

You know what you're doing

[Dwlee99]

Well you always look good but no it isn't that

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Mena is too good-looking to be scum

[Dwlee99]

I think it'd be very funny if Pooky actually gave T3 a triple word post restriction, and I think t3 is town.

[Dwlee99]

Official Vote Count

bugspray

(4): Momrangal, Menalque, Dwlee99, T3

Menalque

(1): Nathann

Nathann

(1): thana

thana

(1): BurgerParty

Dwlee99

(1): bugspray

Not Voting

(1): VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-07-10 19:00:00)

Wait I am not voting bugspray

[Dwlee99]

I think it'd be very funny if Pooky actually gave T3 a triple word post restriction, and I think t3 is town.

do you feel forced to you?

Are you asking if I think that the post restriction feels forced?

[Dwlee99]

Are you asking if I think that the post restriction feels forced?

nono i am asking if you feel like you are forcing your posts, though i am now also curious about the answer to your post restriction question

I feel kind of disconnected if that's what you mean because there was a big lull between game start and people showing up.

For the post restriction: I think it is likely fake but if it's real I'll be happy

[Dwlee99]

For the post restriction: I think it is likely fake but if it's real I'll be happy

it seems like a very unlikely post restriction to me and it also does not seem very funny to me but i often do not have a good sense of these things

Dude's name is T3, it's actually extremely funny

[Dwlee99]

Because it is a bastard game there is a chance it wouldn't be randed, correct?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Momrangal
Let's try this one

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[Dwlee99]

Okay fine.

I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

now it's on me!

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[Dwlee99]

Dangit, I messed it up. The gig is up

[Dwlee99]

Nearly every game of mine is with T3.
I read T3 correctly majority of the time.

Tbf, guessing town is going to be correct the majority of the time

[Dwlee99]

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Is this that one nightcore song?

That is one two three four five [redacted]

[Dwlee99]

Burger join the Mom wagon

[Dwlee99]

It'll be funnnn

[Dwlee99]

We vote her so that she posts !

[Dwlee99]

You coasted more than a peninsula.

[Dwlee99]

Can you explain your solve?

[Dwlee99]

Burger?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nathan
Mom is town methinks

[Dwlee99]

T3 you know me better than this

[Dwlee99]

Explain your meta reads?

[Dwlee99]

I didn't join a game modded by Pooky the bear with bastard roles/mechanics called "Dead Silence" to not fake having a post restriction at some point in the game. Mom is town and we sheep her, it's that simple

[Dwlee99]

I didn't join a game modded by Pooky the bear with bastard roles/mechanics called "Dead Silence" to not fake having a post restriction at some point in the game. Mom is town and we sheep her, it's that simple

i find this a little worrying
so there's 9 people
and you take out mom that's eight
then you and thats 7
take me out because i know im town thats 6 and then lets say i have a tr so in addition to mom there's three green slots
poe in five on d1?

Why is that worrying?

[Dwlee99]

I didn't join a game modded by Pooky the bear with bastard roles/mechanics called "Dead Silence" to not fake having a post restriction at some point in the game. Mom is town and we sheep her, it's that simple

i find this a little worrying
so there's 9 people
and you take out mom that's eight
then you and thats 7
take me out because i know im town thats 6 and then lets say i have a tr so in addition to mom there's three green slots
poe in five on d1?

Why is that worrying?

[Dwlee99]

There's also an actual case raised against Nathan and Burger (although the burger one is much less convincing)

[Dwlee99]

What does "bugs is on one" mean?

[Dwlee99]

Thana this conversation about whether t3 knew these posts existed does not feel like you trying to solve the game.

[Dwlee99]

Even if you did share a PT I don't think you would have shared that specific post with t3.

[Dwlee99]

So you think that t3 could have been told by someone that there was a post you made a year ago that they could emulate on Bugspray for what reason?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Thana
Oops VFP my finger slipped

[Dwlee99]

Yes I do

[Dwlee99]

Menalque
BurgerParty
thana
Nathann

Bugspray I one-upped you with a four person PoE

[Dwlee99]

Which part do you disagree on other than me and you?

[Dwlee99]

PoE is just people that I don't townread so do you disagree with my townreads (the rest of the game)?

idk I want mom to answer on why she had townpings on me by the time she entered but I feel like you have been (I guess up until now) sucking up to the players who are likely to be harder to lim and who are presenting as towniest so far which is uh

not something I like from you

Who am I sucking up to?

[Dwlee99]

I think you're completely making up this sucking up thing. Also I'm just gonna put out there that my vfp/bugs townreads are motivated by out-of-thread things

[Dwlee99]

Not wanting a wagon is explicitly not sucking up to you and I was referencing your FWAN with the other posts. I am happy with mom's entrance given what happened in dogs v cats that just ended.

[Dwlee99]

You also modded a game where I did extremely similar things so yeah I think your push is made up

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

I feel like we are going to get along

swimmingly

.

I knew that at the first look of your profile picture

VOTE: Tigerente

I like wagons

Another person with an amazing profile picture. Townblock it is.

[Dwlee99]

T3 your meta is bad.

[Dwlee99]

Bro

[Dwlee99]

Sometimes I think about how when I was actually evil you thought I was an innocent child.

[Dwlee99]

What if this is what T3!scum looks like and I've been tricked. I was kind of sheeping VFP for that one but it's also just more fun if we town block.

[Dwlee99]

You told me in CultD3 that your scum meta is tunneling and casing with an agenda, and that your town meta is blurting out unexplained reads. I think that you're doing much more of the former than the latter here.

Your reads here are
1.) Everyone is scum
2.) I'm obvscum and need to die

VFP I know you have the "scum!t3 doesn't fake post restriction" read but is there anything else here I'm not seeing?

[Dwlee99]

I’m not reading cats n dogs but what’s the cliffnotes on the mom thing

Scum!mom p much coasted the whole game to a win. Her vibe is completely different here.

[Dwlee99]

You told me in CultD3 that your scum meta is tunneling and casing with an agenda, and that your town meta is blurting out unexplained reads. I think that you're doing much more of the former than the latter here.

Your reads here are
1.) Everyone is scum
2.) I'm obvscum and need to die

VFP I know you have the "scum!t3 doesn't fake post restriction" read but is there anything else here I'm not seeing?

I'll read him over again later.
T3 scum tends to call people town though.

My experience with t3 has been the opposite (that is, town him calls people town more imo)

[Dwlee99]

Also outside of meta (metabad) I find t3's play this game uninspiring.

[Dwlee99]

I dont want to talk about it too much for right now. But mom's posting just vibes different to me relative to the other game. From the dead thread I thought she was screaming scum.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: nathan
Too towny to be town.

You can try harder than this

[Dwlee99]

VFP I still need you to towncase t3 here.

[Dwlee99]

Yeah sure VFP.

And Nathan: 100%

[Dwlee99]

how likely is dwlee and vfp scumteam?

0%

[Dwlee99]

I've been decently busy all day but wanted to acknowledge I read that and am gonna look over it some more to compare with this game when I get the chance (with the additional caveat that meta bad).

[Dwlee99]

So VFP one thing I'm noticing is that scum!t3 seems to fluff a lot more. I don't know if that's enough to think t3 is town here, and when reading through the games I didn't get a vibe of t3 buddying up there.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nathan
Guess I'm back to this and I'll let t3 resolve somehow else.

[Dwlee99]

Bold assumption that I remembered that happening

[Dwlee99]

Oh when he said too towny to be town okay yea I don't think my brain registered that as "Nathan was put to E-1 remember that." When you said "it happened two pages ago" I had to go back and reread to remember what happened.

[Dwlee99]

No like, I think I realized in the moment but I didn't record it in memory like that. Cause I remember seeing your unvote and thinking you didn't want someone in hammer range. I recorded the interaction as being t3 saying too townie to be town which I thought was more weird than E-1ing someone.

[Dwlee99]

VFP is giving me enough reasons to doubt a t3 scumread for right now.

[Dwlee99]

Ftr it is kind of a sheep but more like an "I agree with the points raised" sheep than a "mindless follow bah" sheep. There's other stuff like Nathan's tone is meh but that doesn't completely inform my read.

[Dwlee99]

Bugs is just town what can I say

[Dwlee99]

This Dwlee/VFP scum partners shit is so dumb because if anything they are trying to buddy me.

[Dwlee99]

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

[Dwlee99]

Yea the coasting vibes are kinda there and I feel egg-on-face a little bit. Still think her earlier posting was good and I'm hoping the lack of recent posts is real-life-indicative rather than scum-indicative here.

[Dwlee99]

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

i mean, you and vfp did something similar earlier as well, which i referred to here:

though vfp/dwlee mirrored reactions probably noteworthy, i do not know how to weigh those things,

so do you think that menalque independently reached a similar conclusion based on similar evidence? or do you think that menalque saw bugspray and i musing about the possibility and decided to push this narrative?

I only put this towards Menalque because he posited specifically that the t3 talk vfp and I had was indicative of being partners which I think is bad reasoning. Menalque has been pushing me longer from what I remember so maybe he reached that conclusion himself but I don't think there's a way to really tell that.

[Dwlee99]

VFP and I are in a neighborhood btw

[Dwlee99]

T3 you can't CC a hood. There's a third person in ours lol

VFP and I are in a neighborhood btw

any reason you didn't have the conversation about t3's meta in the neighbourhood? any thoughts on bugspray's musings about neighbourhoods?

There's no reason to not have a conversation like that in thread when it benefits everyone to read it.

[Dwlee99]

Did you not have that conversation in your hood? We thought multiple hoods was very likely.

[Dwlee99]

Like a "there are probably other hoods" conversation.

[Dwlee99]

Ah we have used our hood more than that. Although not much the past couple of days cause game slowish.

[Dwlee99]

How is asking t3 if he had a certain conversation in his hood role fishing? Wtf? How do you feel like you have a good read on mom when she hasn't posted anything for two days and wasn't even here since her initial push on Nathan?

[Dwlee99]

No, I asked it because t3 thought he could counterclaim me being in a hood which is stupid.

[Dwlee99]

NSG?

[Dwlee99]

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

[Dwlee99]

Oh yeah I've seen that before. It was clear to me that t3 was being serious but also I've played with him so much at this point.

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Yeh but I TR t3 and think he was being naive whereas I think you were encouraging it when you should know better

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood and why he thought he could counterclaim that. That's not encouraging everyone to claim hood status??

[Dwlee99]

I'm primarily trying to figure out why your thoughts make no sense to me and your responses aren't satisfying that concern. Like I'm having trouble seeing how someone can read my posts and interpret it as me fishing for anything other than t3's thought processes. I feel like that incongruency in our thinking makes you more likely to be scum but your tone is good so I'm conflicted.

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood

Why do you want to know this if ur town lmao

like this is literally nonsensical to me.

[Dwlee99]

You might as well ask why I'd want to open my eyes and read t3's posts fmpov.

[Dwlee99]

Menalque I feel like you're not this dense. If I want to sort t3 I will ask him what he thinks of his hood or what has been happening there. That doesn't mean he just spills to me that mom claimed PT god mother shuffler alignment cop doctor in the hood, that's not how that works. You're either being extremely dense or you think t3 is a blubbering idiot that would say too much info about the hood. I never asked who was in the hood. I never asked for more than "did you suspect there could be multiple hoods because we did?" And again you're extremely tunneled on me when we had Thana literally ask for everyone to claim all of their hoods.

[Dwlee99]

I'm starting to think that maybe scum are happy with both of these wagons

VOTE: Menalque

[Dwlee99]

I'm waiting to hear back from the other neighbor if said person wants me to say who it is.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not sure.

[Dwlee99]

nathann cant triforce

I was expecting you to eventually explain this but you haven't?

[Dwlee99]

I'm starting to think that maybe scum are happy with both of these wagons

VOTE: Menalque

Seems like I was right about this so let's make something happen, yeah?+

[Dwlee99]

Informed town neighbor, Bugspray is confirmed town. Don't have anything cooler than that. Menalque is open wolfing here so kill him please.

[Dwlee99]

Since you keep asking yes but they won't respond to me asking if I should tell you they're in there.

[Dwlee99]

I also claimed this to vfp/bugs at one point.

[Dwlee99]

I think setup-wise it would make sense (since multiple hoods) that ours could be all-town based on the fact I knew one was for sure so I didn't want to scumread solely based on the hood.

Otherwise, it felt like VFP was trying to solve the game in the hood etc. and I liked the way they reacted to things there.

[Dwlee99]

Honestly VFP could be buddying me here but like this game is so dead and they are one of the only people that I really interacted with (even bugs like dipped the hood pretty much) and so I didn't really want to kill there. I also figure I'll be able to read VFP better as time goes on by virtue of being in a hood with them.

[Dwlee99]

this game is so dead

Silent...

[Dwlee99]

With 7 hours and scum doing literally nothing they're fine with this game state so can we do something yeah?

[Dwlee99]

Would prefer Mena but I'll compromise on literally anyone not me/bugs/shiki I think.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nathan

[Dwlee99]

You're so unreasonable you must be scum

[Dwlee99]

I'll compromise on literally anyone not me/bugs/shiki I think.

"I'll throw my VFP townread straight under the nearest bus if it means I might be able to get my grubby little paws into a new gameday via a compromise wagon"

Yeah almost like it's worse to kill confirmed town (me) than it is to kill literally anyone else unless they're a strong power role.

[Dwlee99]

You're so unreasonable you must be scum

lol

what have I said that's unreasonable then dwlee

you not liking that I caught you D1 and am gonna get you limmed doesn't make me unreasonable it just means you feel salty

which I get, because I am too, but it doesn't change your role pm

I've already said what was unreasonable and you've conveniently ignored it or brushed it aside every time. Not doing this BS where you act like this is new to you.

[Dwlee99]

Honestly VFP could be buddying me here but like this game is so dead and they are one of the only people that I really interacted with (even bugs like dipped the hood pretty much) and so I didn't really want to kill there. I also figure I'll be able to read VFP better as time goes on by virtue of being in a hood with them.

Also since you can't read here is this post

[Dwlee99]

How is asking t3 if he had a certain conversation in his hood role fishing? Wtf? How do you feel like you have a good read on mom when she hasn't posted anything for two days and wasn't even here since her initial push on Nathan?

No, I asked it because t3 thought he could counterclaim me being in a hood which is stupid.

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Oh yeah I've seen that before. It was clear to me that t3 was being serious but also I've played with him so much at this point.

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Yeh but I TR t3 and think he was being naive whereas I think you were encouraging it when you should know better

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood and why he thought he could counterclaim that. That's not encouraging everyone to claim hood status??

I'm primarily trying to figure out why your thoughts make no sense to me and your responses aren't satisfying that concern. Like I'm having trouble seeing how someone can read my posts and interpret it as me fishing for anything other than t3's thought processes. I feel like that incongruency in our thinking makes you more likely to be scum but your tone is good so I'm conflicted.

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood

Why do you want to know this if ur town lmao

like this is literally nonsensical to me.

You might as well ask why I'd want to open my eyes and read t3's posts fmpov.

Menalque I feel like you're not this dense. If I want to sort t3 I will ask him what he thinks of his hood or what has been happening there. That doesn't mean he just spills to me that mom claimed PT god mother shuffler alignment cop doctor in the hood, that's not how that works. You're either being extremely dense or you think t3 is a blubbering idiot that would say too much info about the hood. I never asked who was in the hood. I never asked for more than "did you suspect there could be multiple hoods because we did?" And again you're extremely tunneled on me when we had Thana literally ask for everyone to claim all of their hoods.

**3 hours pass no response**

I'm starting to think that maybe scum are happy with both of these wagons

VOTE: Menalque

And here's the ones where I say you're being unreasonable.

Pedit: you're completely ignoring everything I've said about my VFP read to discredit me.

[Dwlee99]

And there you're focusing on that instead of it just being me providing context.

[Dwlee99]

Like you have completely ignored any actual conversation to preserve this tunnel because town!you would know how stupid your tunnel is. You're scum.

[Dwlee99]

What are you even on rn? Why do those forum times matter at all? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Ik you're in a different time zone that isn't my point.

[Dwlee99]

Quote yourself addressing how asking t3 about if he thought there were multiple hoods in his hood is scummy.

[Dwlee99]

Each time one of your "theories" for why I'm scum fails you've jumped to a new one. You said I was scum for trying to play into "hard to elim town," then when that was clearly bs you hopped onto something else I can't remember. Your read on me is completely fake.

Pedit: you also missed how I have basically crumbed my role from the beginning of the game and that I claimed it to VFP and Bugs in our hood earlier.

Pedit2: no that wasn't part of my framing at all you're misreading me or lying.

[Dwlee99]

Those holes are exactly why you're scum I'm just not stupid enough to think you'll get five votes in 6 hours.

[Dwlee99]

Assuming I don't die today I'm sure you'll leave me alive to mislim tomorrow and I'll have plenty of time to push you then.

[Dwlee99]

You've jumped on like five different explanations for why I'm scum throughout the game you're forcing this read and it's obvious.

[Dwlee99]

Playing into = pocketing

I'm hopping on a computer for this

[Dwlee99]

Okay guess I have to go through these one by one. Here's the sucking up progression, which ends with you admitting it was dumb and wrong/a misread but here you are still trying to say it's scummy like I can't refind these posts.

Spoiler:

idk I want mom to answer on why she had townpings on me by the time she entered but I feel like you have been (I guess up until now) sucking up to the players who are likely to be harder to lim and who are presenting as towniest so far which is uh

not something I like from you

PoE is just people that I don't townread so do you disagree with my townreads (the rest of the game)?

idk I want mom to answer on why she had townpings on me by the time she entered but I feel like you have been (I guess up until now) sucking up to the players who are likely to be harder to lim and who are presenting as towniest so far which is uh

not something I like from you

Who am I sucking up to?

me and mom

And uh, yes, the only person who I feel confident on other than maaaaaybe mom is T3 and that’s v much reverse institution

VFP might be town but not sure, if VFP town then I feel good about T3 town instead of getting to it through fucky logic, but I can also see VFP scum playing for a pocket on T3

then bugs is just like ehh, maybe town but more just bc there are 4 slots worse but of those I think you and burger are easily at the bottom of the pile

I think you're completely making up this sucking up thing. Also I'm just gonna put out there that my vfp/bugs townreads are motivated by out-of-thread things

I think you're completely making up this sucking up thing

mmm

I want a wagon because wagons are fun but I don't want to E-1 on page 1 so HURT: Bugspray

Well you always look good but no it isn't that

Mena is too good-looking to be scum

VOTE: Nathan
Mom is town methinks

hmmm

Not wanting a wagon is explicitly not sucking up to you and I was referencing your FWAN with the other posts. I am happy with mom's entrance given what happened in dogs v cats that just ended.

You also modded a game where I did extremely similar things so yeah I think your push is made up

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

I feel like we are going to get along

swimmingly

.

I knew that at the first look of your profile picture

VOTE: Tigerente

I like wagons

Another person with an amazing profile picture. Townblock it is.

Not wanting a wagon is explicitly not sucking up to you and I was referencing your FWAN with the other posts. I am happy with mom's entrance given what happened in dogs v cats that just ended.

oh lol, I’d forgotten i posted that around that point. hmm

I’m not reading cats n dogs but what’s the cliffnotes on the mom thing

You also modded a game where I did extremely similar things so yeah I think your push is made up

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

I feel like we are going to get along

swimmingly

.

I knew that at the first look of your profile picture

VOTE: Tigerente

I like wagons

Another person with an amazing profile picture. Townblock it is.

If u think I remember more than a fairly bare minimum of posts people make in games I mod you are... mistaken

[Dwlee99]

Next up is "dwlee and VFP are scum trying to have low-effort interaction in thread" which is just a dumb argument and I don't think he can honestly believe it

Spoiler:

I don't like the Nathan wagon, VFP/dwlee are not really doing The Good Posting and the "VFP sell me on T3 town" seems like a very easy way to have interactions that are very low-stakes and allow the two to interact while also going for a hard pocket

This Dwlee/VFP scum partners shit is so dumb because if anything they are trying to buddy me.

Bugs is just town what can I say

I can't be bothered to find it but "x doubt meme"

altho, maybe bugs town yeh? but like, that doesn't mean a whole lot about you

oh I fucked up quotes

"x doubt meme" was for 370

anyway I'm tilted beyond belief due to the wrap up of ferry's tarot u-pick so I'm ducking out, may be around tomorrow

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Yeh

[Dwlee99]

Here's the "you're fishing on t3" sequence

Spoiler:

Yea the coasting vibes are kinda there and I feel egg-on-face a little bit. Still think her earlier posting was good and I'm hoping the lack of recent posts is real-life-indicative rather than scum-indicative here.

Did you not have that conversation in your hood? We thought multiple hoods was very likely.

Like a "there are probably other hoods" conversation.

Fam how are y’all reading the game and not making a vote here

Like the bit on mom is such blatant fence sitting and the other posts are either fishing or informed fishing

stop claiming hoods/no hoods unless ur lying in which case also stop but just because some people are gonna fuck up and tell the truth

also stop speculating on if we have PRs via hoods

How is asking t3 if he had a certain conversation in his hood role fishing? Wtf? How do you feel like you have a good read on mom when she hasn't posted anything for two days and wasn't even here since her initial push on Nathan?

I think mom’s entrance for the same reason I think she liked mine, which is why I asked her about the early pings on me despite me not being outside range yet, which is we just played scum together and she felt like... distinctly different. That’s not enough to hard clear the slot bc that gsme was frankly a lot scarier than this one in terms of mechanics and PL

And it’s not about T3, it’s the “we’re pretty sure there are other hoods” is I think trying to prompt someone else to claim hood or no hood, and evidently it worked as both Nathan and thana claimed no hood and I can only hope one of them is lying and we’re not outing like, 80% of the setup on D1

No, I asked it because t3 thought he could counterclaim me being in a hood which is stupid.

I think phrasing it as a cc was an obvious joke which something something nsg something something cognitive load

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Uh.. the cc wasn't a joke.

nsg is northsidegal a very respected town player onsite who has a couple of useful theories/rules of thumb and one is that scum are more likely to interpret jokes as serious bc they have a higher cognitive load to deal with due to participating in active deception the whole game

that T3 was not joking and thought he actually could CC prooooobably makes that moot tho? Not sure, I still feel like the expected reaction would be to take it as a joke bc obviously you can’t cc a hood lol

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Yeh but I TR t3 and think he was being naive whereas I think you were encouraging it when you should know better

Oh yeah I've seen that before. It was clear to me that t3 was being serious but also I've played with him so much at this point.

Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Yeh but I TR t3 and think he was being naive whereas I think you were encouraging it when you should know better

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood and why he thought he could counterclaim that. That's not encouraging everyone to claim hood status??

Mostly you just don’t give me the Good Vibes and I feel like okay enough with the rest of the thread to want to yeet in (you, VFP) today and then have a lower tier of (burger, bugs)

T3 is i think likely town regardless of VFP alignment

Mom gave me sufficient pings that I’m not interested in her today

Nathan deciding to come back and push mom of all people is like lolworthy if he’s scum bc it’s so obviously not happening

Thana is probably the weakest TR of the 4 and like I might be wrong here but her resistance to voting is reminiscent of how she played ydra’s mini imo and I think she’s just being methodical in her thought processes? Actually she should maybe be in a tier with bugs which is like a bit above burger

So then bugs is like ehhh I don’t really feel town but also doesn’t scream scum to me which is what I would expect from scum bugs (maybe a tiny bit concerning that I don’t want to yeet bugs harder, à la my T3 read)

Which leaves like (you, VFP, burger) where I think burger could be town who scum are circling around as a compromise D1 lim which then leaves me with... you and VFP neither of which have posted anything that made me go “hmm that seemed like a town thought” and you specifically haven’t said anything that makes me think your town in your responses to me, just like you’re not giving up and rolling over

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood

Why do you want to know this if ur town lmao

I'm primarily trying to figure out why your thoughts make no sense to me and your responses aren't satisfying that concern. Like I'm having trouble seeing how someone can read my posts and interpret it as me fishing for anything other than t3's thought processes. I feel like that incongruency in our thinking makes you more likely to be scum but your tone is good so I'm conflicted.

I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood

Why do you want to know this if ur town lmao

like this is literally nonsensical to me.

You might as well ask why I'd want to open my eyes and read t3's posts fmpov.

Bc why

Would you want

Scum to have extra info about what’s going on behind closed doors

If you’re town lmao

Like I refuse to think that you’re unaware that a major part of utility in hoods is in depriving scum of information (if hoods are all town that is) so trying to elicit information is scummy

I was addressing that egregious part of your post instead of responding to the bit about you fishing bc I think that may have been misread on my part if T3 was serious when he claimed he was CCing you which is now confirmed true

Like the fishing bit is basically immaterial other than it fitting with my general thing of you inexplicably wanting to get as much info about the setup as you can which uh

Is not a town thing to do on D1 fam

Menalque I feel like you're not this dense. If I want to sort t3 I will ask him what he thinks of his hood or what has been happening there. That doesn't mean he just spills to me that mom claimed PT god mother shuffler alignment cop doctor in the hood, that's not how that works. You're either being extremely dense or you think t3 is a blubbering idiot that would say too much info about the hood. I never asked who was in the hood. I never asked for more than "did you suspect there could be multiple hoods because we did?" And again you're extremely tunneled on me when we had Thana literally ask for everyone to claim all of their hoods.

Honorable mention to this post in the middle of it:

Mostly you just don’t give me the Good Vibes and I feel like okay enough with the rest of the thread to want to yeet in (you, VFP) today and then have a lower tier of (burger, bugs)

T3 is i think likely town regardless of VFP alignment

Mom gave me sufficient pings that I’m not interested in her today

Nathan deciding to come back and push mom of all people is like lolworthy if he’s scum bc it’s so obviously not happening

Thana is probably the weakest TR of the 4 and like I might be wrong here but her resistance to voting is reminiscent of how she played ydra’s mini imo and I think she’s just being methodical in her thought processes? Actually she should maybe be in a tier with bugs which is like a bit above burger

So then bugs is like ehhh I don’t really feel town but also doesn’t scream scum to me which is what I would expect from scum bugs (maybe a tiny bit concerning that I don’t want to yeet bugs harder, à la my T3 read)

Which leaves like (you, VFP, burger) where I think burger could be town who scum are circling around as a compromise D1 lim which then leaves me with... you and VFP neither of which have posted anything that made me go “hmm that seemed like a town thought” and you specifically haven’t said anything that makes me think your town in your responses to me, just like you’re not giving up and rolling over

Where Menalque admits that all his reasons were wrong and it all just comes down to vibes, which is not at all what he is saying here. This one had multiple parts so there's the "you're fishing for t3/the game to spill hood info" which is just completely wrong and unreasonable, there's also the "you should have taken t3's CC as a joke if you're town" despite it not being a joke that I correctly read as serious, and then "asking t3 what happened in his hood is fishing for info again how dare you try to sort someone based on other information in a hood" part 2: electric boogaloo.

Here's the sucking up progression, which ends with you admitting it was dumb and wrong/a misread but here you are still trying to say it's scummy like I can't refind these posts

I mean I said the "you being complimentary" bit was dumb but I don't think that the "being supportive of what me and mom were saying from early on" is wrong, I think you just haven't been able to sustain that on me bc I'm pushing you anyway and bc mom hasn't ended up being a priority for you in the end bc she ducked out of the game

I

wasn't

supportive of anything you were saying early on because I explicitly pushed back on you trying to get bugspray to E-1. You're literally making stuff up to justify something you already recognized as incorrect previously in the thread.

Next up is "dwlee and VFP are scum trying to have low-effort interaction in thread" which is just a dumb argument and I don't think he can honestly believe it

Spoiler:

I don't like the Nathan wagon, VFP/dwlee are not really doing The Good Posting and the "VFP sell me on T3 town" seems like a very easy way to have interactions that are very low-stakes and allow the two to interact while also going for a hard pocket

This Dwlee/VFP scum partners shit is so dumb because if anything they are trying to buddy me.

Bugs is just town what can I say

I can't be bothered to find it but "x doubt meme"

altho, maybe bugs town yeh? but like, that doesn't mean a whole lot about you

oh I fucked up quotes

"x doubt meme" was for 370

anyway I'm tilted beyond belief due to the wrap up of ferry's tarot u-pick so I'm ducking out, may be around tomorrow

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Yeh

I mean I think scum often look to have some sort of interaction with their buddy in thread that will make it harder to ID them if someone goes down, and I think you/VFP had enough people SRing/SLing you that you would want to cloud the associations

however I think scum tend to find talking to each other awkward a lot of the time and one way around that is to answer like ~easy questions~ being posed to each other or to just get one to talk without really trying to pick them up on anything or to delve into what they're thinking, which I think fits you trying to look like you're having engagement with VFP without really sorting them in the process

If VFP flips scum be my guest and try to paint me as scum with them but like we're in a hood together so we've had interactions in-thread and out-of-thread and we've talked there too.

[Dwlee99]

If I find one bit of flawed reasoning it's not that it instantly invalidates everything. It's that you have huge gaps in your reasoning you never patch and just chug through on anyway. That's not a town thought process, that's pushing a miselim through.

If I was scum or non-informed town I would have just voted bugs there. I normally vote early wagons so it wouldn't look out of place for me to do it there. That I didn't is exactly as much info as I can give without going "don't vote bugs *wink wink*"

[Dwlee99]

You've had multiple points where you should have stopped and gone "oh yea this is an unreasonable thing I'm pushing and it makes no sense." You haven't done that. Like I can see people scumreading me sometimes (normally I think I obvtown but this game it's been dead and the apathy is thick) but the way you're doing it is just wrong. Not only that, you're doing what I'm going to call the pooky tell where you literally just hard focus on one player to make it seem like you're doing more than you are. It's an easy way for scum to blend in because you don't have to actually do anything other than quote their posts and say they should die.

And again like, it's not like I'm saying your argument needs to be perfectly reasoned with citations or something, I'm saying if you're town I expect it to follow a path of logic that I can follow. At multiple points you completely lose me on what you're even thinking (like when you think I'm scum because I try to sort t3).

[Dwlee99]

And again I made sure bugs was never in danger of actually getting yeeted there which is all that matters to me because I'm not trying to get conftown night killed immediately.

[Dwlee99]

450 was because my menalque vote and saying scum are happy with game state resulted in 15 hours of silence except for Shiki and I.

[Dwlee99]

Also dude there's 4 or 5 hours left in the day I'm not letting it go no lim and I'd prefer it not be me so yes I'll vote you.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I misremembered other people posted in that time a little but like no game-related stuff happened which is my point. If we wanna make a Menalque wagon happen I'm down but it seems like you want to townread him because he is organizing a wagon that's not you lol

[Dwlee99]

I have like a fifth of the posts this game jeez

[Dwlee99]

It's not a bad look for him to push a different wagon from you if you're town, but it certainly doesn't make him town. If you're town and he pushes a different thing and you go through, he can say now get dwlee. If I go through now people will push you through tomorrow for being a counterwagon, so he got a mislim off. Or you're partnered and he's saving your ass but I'm not sure. I have had a hard time reading people because half the game has taken the game name seriously.

[Dwlee99]

I was saying that clearly scum are fine with us being the top two wagons today because of how much time passed. Nothing about Menalque. Still better to kill you than me sorry in case the game stalled cause you're scum so unless we're doing something else I don't see an alternative vote here.

[Dwlee99]

No, I was saying I was right about what I said (scum are happy with the wagons). I think mom just flaked which I don't know if that is alignment-indicative. What are your thoughts on the other people besides VFP cause I want time to sort them in the hood if I get the chance.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like circling around is typically scum trying to distance but not commit to killing their buddies. I'm fine with a t3 wagon here.

[Dwlee99]

Bad vote. Done eating burgers if you wanna ask me questions before ruthlessly murdering me.

[Dwlee99]

Some quick thoughts if you don't have any questions:
I don't trust VFP's T3 read. He is just straight up coasting through the game doing absolutely nothing.
Menalque is still scum for all the reasons I stated.
If I'm wrong on t3 I'd say look into Nathan/Mom/VFP/Burger patty (wow I'm listing half the game but 3 of them are doing literally nothing) should be next
If I'm wrong on Menalque than I don't even know what is happening this game but in that case just throw out everything I've thought this game because I'm clearly not in the correct headspace to have formed good reads here.

[Dwlee99]

Also as a general frustration thing extremely pissed that I got put into a hood that hardly tried to engage with me. If bugs wasn't literally confirmed town to me I would have thrown a stake through their heart because they did absolutely zero engaging in the hood or in the game. Only things bugs even said was like "I think you're scum together" in the hood when VFP and I were actually trying to talk to each other.

[Dwlee99]

Shiki and Bugspray town don't kill them. Shiki just don't trust an ELO guilty and you'll do golden.

[Dwlee99]

Informed town neighbor. Is there something I'm missing about the question?

[Dwlee99]

Gonna do a paraphrase of the hood before I'm murderized because I doubt bugspray lives the night and it'll be useful for sorting VFP later hopefully

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: hood contents

Dwlee: greets people

Vfp: greets back

Dwlee: I ask what could make the setup experimental or bastard

Vfp: Says PT shenanigans are likely

Dwlee: I agree that multiple PTs is likely

Bugs: Theorizes maybe people can be added/removed from the neighborhood.

Dwlee: I try to add Mom to the neighborhood.

Bugs: Asks if my role can do that

Dwlee: No it doesn't

Bugs: Why post that then

Dwlee: The game is a bastard so literally anything could happen

Bugs: Asks if I'm faking a town slip

Dwlee: I ask how it's a town slip (no this was never answered)

Vfp: Attempts to kick bugs from the hood

Dwlee: I ask if his role can do that

Vfp: He says yes but it does not happen

Dwlee: It didn't work

Vfp: didn't realize it was bastard

Dwlee: Joking that it probably isn't going to be that bastard

Vfp: Comments that many people are voting Bugs

Dwlee: Asks if this is a masonry

Vfp: Says that this could be a 3 town neighborhood

Dwlee: Says if no one is super scummy I won't want to eliminate them because I want people to talk to

Vfp: Theorizing on whether we're all town based on pooky!meta

Dwlee: I say it's possible because there are probably other hoods

Vfp: Is open to such an idea. Says bugs is easy to read but we should be careful about the hood because it could make us targets.

Dwlee: I ask how VFP reads bugs

Vfp: Bugs is thread-avoidant and unengaged as scum

Bugs: Claims that wasn't alignment indicative and it was just that game. Asks how this is a masonry

Dwlee: I say that if bugs isn't evil and vfp isn't then it is one.

Vfp: Tells bug to stop voting for me

Dwlee: I agree, think t3 is town at this point in the game.

Vfp: Thinks so because of the post restriction

Dwlee: I didn't think thana's t3 post theorizing was a townie mindset.

Vfp: Says there are simpler ways to suspect someone in a fake way than that.

Dwlee: I didn't think complicating things like that is townie.

Vfp: thinks there are other hoods based on in-thread stuff

Bugs: Agrees there is probably another hood

Vfp: Says our hood is better

Bugs: Says the ideal thread if them and shiki and that VFP and I are scum

Dwlee: I tell bugs that my role says they are town

Bugs: Wants me to full claim

Dwlee: I do and show how my earlier posts in the neighborhood were softs

Bugs: Speculates about the bastardness.

Dwlee: I agree on their point

Bugs: Says I seem too willing to agree with them

Dwlee: Again just agree with the point because I do

Vfp: If they know you're town why not try to gain your trust?

Bugs: Says that the hood could have both scum in it and then try to pocket them into ELO

Dwlee: I say I'm gonna have to claim before then and they'll be killed so that isn't gonna happen probably

Bugs: Suggests I crumb in thread

Dwlee: I agree and then realize I can just use posts I already have put as the crumbs

Bugs: Wants me night killed so that they can surprise with the info

Dwlee: I say I'm either getting kept around as limbait or I'm going to be mislimed before that.

Dwlee: Asking if bugs wants to be known as the third member

Dwlee: Talking about my mena read.

Dwlee: Asking bugs about t3 read.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: hood contents

Dwlee: greets people

Vfp: greets back

Dwlee: I ask what could make the setup experimental or bastard

Vfp: Says PT shenanigans are likely

Dwlee: I agree that multiple PTs is likely

Bugs: Theorizes maybe people can be added/removed from the neighborhood.

Dwlee: I try to add Mom to the neighborhood.

Bugs: Asks if my role can do that

Dwlee: No it doesn't

Bugs: Why post that then

Dwlee: The game is a bastard so literally anything could happen

Bugs: Asks if I'm faking a town slip

Dwlee: I ask how it's a town slip (no this was never answered)

Vfp: Attempts to kick bugs from the hood

Dwlee: I ask if his role can do that

Vfp: He says yes but it does not happen

Dwlee: It didn't work

Vfp: didn't realize it was bastard

Dwlee: Joking that it probably isn't going to be that bastard

Vfp: Comments that many people are voting Bugs

Dwlee: Asks if this is a masonry

Vfp: Says that this could be a 3 town neighborhood

Dwlee: Says if no one is super scummy I won't want to eliminate them because I want people to talk to

Vfp: Theorizing on whether we're all town based on pooky!meta

Dwlee: I say it's possible because there are probably other hoods

Vfp: Is open to such an idea. Says bugs is easy to read but we should be careful about the hood because it could make us targets.

Dwlee: I ask how VFP reads bugs

Vfp: Bugs is thread-avoidant and unengaged as scum

Bugs: Claims that wasn't alignment indicative and it was just that game. Asks how this is a masonry

Dwlee: I say that if bugs isn't evil and vfp isn't then it is one.

Vfp: Tells bug to stop voting for me

Dwlee: I agree, think t3 is town at this point in the game.

Vfp: Thinks so because of the post restriction

Dwlee: I didn't think thana's t3 post theorizing was a townie mindset.

Vfp: Says there are simpler ways to suspect someone in a fake way than that.

Dwlee: I didn't think complicating things like that is townie.

Vfp: thinks there are other hoods based on in-thread stuff

Bugs: Agrees there is probably another hood

Vfp: Says our hood is better

Bugs: Says the ideal thread if them and shiki and that VFP and I are scum

Dwlee: I tell bugs that my role says they are town

Bugs: Wants me to full claim

Dwlee: I do and show how my earlier posts in the neighborhood were softs

Bugs: Speculates about the bastardness.

Dwlee: I agree on their point

Bugs: Says I seem too willing to agree with them

Dwlee: Again just agree with the point because I do

Vfp: If they know you're town why not try to gain your trust?

Bugs: Says that the hood could have both scum in it and then try to pocket them into ELO

Dwlee: I say I'm gonna have to claim before then and they'll be killed so that isn't gonna happen probably

Bugs: Suggests I crumb in thread

Dwlee: I agree and then realize I can just use posts I already have put as the crumbs

Bugs: Wants me night killed so that they can surprise with the info

Dwlee: I say I'm either getting kept around as limbait or I'm going to be mislimed before that.

Dwlee: Asking if bugs wants to be known as the third member

Dwlee: Talking about my mena read.

Dwlee: Asking bugs about t3 read.

[Dwlee99]

We have at least three here so we could try.

[Dwlee99]

I'm more inclined to turn it towards t3 btw so if you're down for that I'd prefer it to you (and obviously to myself)

[Dwlee99]

welp bye. You got all you needed from me. Cya in dead thread or post-game.

[Dwlee99]

Dang. Told y'all bugs was town.