Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[GuiltyLion]

what do you mean by the "pushing the right slots for scum"? Like, if he is scum, he is pushing slots that benefit him the most? Or he is pushing slots that you think are most likely to be scum?

I think you mean the latter but I want to be sure I'm understanding you

[The Cheek of Gamma]

what do you mean by the "pushing the right slots for scum"? Like, if he is scum, he is pushing slots that benefit him the most? Or he is pushing slots that you think are most likely to be scum?

I think you mean the latter but I want to be sure I'm understanding you

No the former. Both of you seem to be townread to some degree, getting you both off the list leaves more room for scum assuming you're both town.

I locktown you now.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I will admit I was a little paranoid of an Iverson/GL team
And it's still possible that Pooky has taken the route of hard distancing instead, but I think you past scumgames have a different tone to here so I'll roll with that.
~ C

[GuiltyLion]

if I'm wrong on Coalition it is definitely going to bork my view of the game at this point and probably means a deepwolf has a path into my coalition, but I'm not going to be able to re-evaluate them until/unless they treat me in good faith and so far all they've done is discredit me at every turn, and a few of their arguments have been brazenly disingenuous (GL manufacturing reads, GL targeted me bc he was threatened by my coalition) in a way that I'm struggling to convince myself comes from town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

GL if you think TownKoba treats people with "good faith" you should read the last run of coalition lulz

[The Cheek of Gamma]

It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C

[GuiltyLion]

if Coalition has a big ego and hasn't played with me or read my games before, I feel like they might think they can bury me, the first/main voice speaking against them, and then not suffer any consequences afterwards

[GuiltyLion]

my method of scumhunting has always been "analyze the thought process not the content" so fuck off <3

im gonna come back later when I am not at risk of saying something that will get me banned

also, @Cheek why does a town!Coalition get this pissed off if they think I'm scum? I was pushing on their early posts but I wasn't insulting them as a person or being toxic (I would hope...), so the "fuck off" and the worry about saying something ban-worthy feels a lil extreme to me if they really think I'm just caught scum trying to push them

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I mean I could be wrong. Time will tell with that one, for now the 1v1 isn't helping anything.
~ C

[implosion]

I quite do not buy GL hard scum right now. The thing koba pointed out (i'm just going to say koba bc it's annoying to say coalition in this game) in 187 is a bit bad but I think his play over the last page or so is pretty town and I generally like his takes on the game. I don't necessarily buy koba as scum (or at least I don't feel strongly that they are); I thought they were townish early on but not for any real substantive reason. I do lean toward Iverson having been town but I don't think they really proved themself to be town either, at least not in like the day they were here. I think Pooky could be scum certainly. I have like

an

idea how to read pooky but it's almost certainly wrong and I'd be curious if others have more of a general sense of how to read them, because I historically (in like 2 games i think) have not been able to see any real way to read them.

Gamma townreading me is probably a good sign in principle.

[implosion]

I quite do not buy GL hard scum right now. The thing koba pointed out (i'm just going to say koba bc it's annoying to say coalition in this game) in 187 is a bit bad but I think his play over the last page or so is pretty town and I generally like his takes on the game. I don't necessarily buy koba as scum (or at least I don't feel strongly that they are); I thought they were townish early on but not for any real substantive reason. I do lean toward Iverson having been town but I don't think they really proved themself to be town either, at least not in like the day they were here. I think Pooky could be scum certainly. I have like

an

idea how to read pooky but it's almost certainly wrong and I'd be curious if others have more of a general sense of how to read them, because I historically (in like 2 games i think) have not been able to see any real way to read them.

Gamma townreading me is probably a good sign in principle.

[implosion]

It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C

Why doesn't it benefit them as scum? Isn't like, the #1 thing scum have to do in this setup to stop, y'know, coalitions of townies from forming?

[The Cheek of Gamma]

It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C

Why doesn't it benefit them as scum? Isn't like, the #1 thing scum have to do in this setup to stop, y'know, coalitions of townies from forming?

Sorry, not what they're doing, but how they're doing it
Like how are they going to progress a scum agenda going about things the way they are? Has coalition persuaded you that GL shouldn't be in your coalition?

[implosion]

I definitely wavered a little before GuiltyLion's response. I'll probably waver again later.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

It's weird because implosion said a lot of words but all I got out of it is coalition is probably a townread lol.
~ C

[implosion]

Right now I generally think GL's takes are mostly good or at least fine and like I personally don't want to jump to any conclusions in a setup like this while two slots have contributed 0 and another has contributed very little (tbh shelby's probably posted enough to try to read him off of, i could certainly imagine him being scum w his current iso).

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Fair. I'd be annoyed if both scum were in the no posters though.
~ C

[Black Ranger]

i read the first 4 pages and only managed to get a townread on imp

simply because i really hated post 27. it looked like a giant spotlight saying, "hey, there's scum in here". when you point at one person it's tough to have something stick but when you spotlight two players it's a lot easier to have criticism to be valid for at least one of them. based on the state of this page i'd say it had an effect.

HEAL: implosion
HEAL: Uncle Shelby
HEAL: Black Ranger

VOTE: CheekofGamma

[Black Ranger]

imp, what's a good GL take? I'll read up in the morning and see if I get there.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

this is basically a main claim, but I randed scum with gamma and their usual weaknesses I've seen in the past were not present anymore.

There’s like 2 people this can be, and Iverson named one of them
And Iverson was probably right since just looking at posting style it looks more like DkKoba than the other person I had in mind
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

the coalition's read on me is really interesting because I'm not sure if that kind of reasoning is something I'm bad at faking as scum; I'd like to think it isn't, but it might be.

...incredibly once again, I typed this sentence before seeing 135

I think i'm kind of bad at scum tbh. I sort of focus on mimicing town thought in general, or at least my overall approach historically has been to try to do things that I think I'd be doing as town/read people based on the reads I think I'd be getting on them. Since it's most of what I focus on in principle I'm better at it than I am at other aspects of scum play. I don't think I'm an especially good scum player though.

I’m not sure on the finer details but I think implo is low-key obvscum when he’s scum from last time I remember him randing scum, and this also feels like a vaguely honest description of his scumplay, which are +town for implo
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

HEAL: The Cheek of Gamma, Pooky, Implosion, GuiltyLion
I feel like this is a pretty good starting point
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.

I have outed two townreads-one with extended justification, the other denied it by meta-elsewhere while you townread implosion for not being a potato and tunnel GuiltyLion for incoherent nonsense.

If implosion is town all you have to do is get out of the way.

It took a second but Iverson kinda misread my post
I wasn’t denying the read so much as being like “hey you’re underrating me and in a way that feels diminutive”
Although whether I would sit out the opening as scum is like, entirely dependent on my partners, since having come off the aforementioned scum streak, my big takeaway is to not get bogged down trying to carry weaker teammates
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

i want no part of any coalition with GL on it
VOTE: GuiltyLion

fun fact you can queue up an elimination to occur right after a coalition passes.

I want to see it happen this game.

Doesn’t an elimination just make the coalition portion just not happen? Iirc that’s the way it was designed initially
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Also, I think it would be reckless to have an elimination happen immediately after the coalition check occurs without taking time to evaluate why the coalition failed (since the only time the following elim would be relevant would be if the coalition fails)
-G
(FYI I’m trying to consistently tag my posts so C doesn’t have to be consistent. I also probably won’t be doing the “guess who” stuff I like to do since a) I don’t feel like that fits the vibe of this game and b) it pretty much always results in people not getting it)