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[Dannflor]

t3 in my opinion has generally scummy play... just like as a player

I mean read through his ISO in Not Quite Normal Multiball, even replacing into that game I had no idea what I was getting into

a case would be useful on a heaven phase but I feel like t3 needs a level of casing that goes beyond "oh look at these surface level scummy posts" if that makes any sense

I just started reading but I'll comment as I go in no particular order

[Dannflor]

[MT] has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game

actually im doing nsg dirty by saying that. Same slot tho

what

i like nsg but what did she do this game?

[Dannflor]

btw before I catch the rest of the way up I will just say I was having some second thoughts about ich troje

mostly I didn't like their reaction to Farren EoD 1 and I started thinking that a flow trap + ich troje team made a lot of sense

I've cooled down from that mostly, not just because I've been away from the thread, but I think generally ich troje had one of the solidly towniest D1s and the little bits that have made me think again about their slot have been due my averse reaction the extreme over-confidence they tend to have

that being said i see the concern from farren/mt about ich troje possibly losing us judgement day

first of all, i dont intend to be letting the game get to judgement day

second of all, despite the confidence they display in thread, I am at least pretty sure troje is a smart enough player to reevaluate in heaven as needed. like if we get to a judgement day with only troje in heaven they will *have* to consider that scum was okay enough with them being in heaven to not heavily counter wagon them?

[redtea]

Spoiler: Farren #1020

HOLY FUCK it's deadline?

Well I'm not done playing this game personally so I'd probably vote Ich, probably town for basic reasons.. even if Ich is scum i'd rather have them eliminated rn then reeval anyway

My only concern being is that if Farren is in fact town, which I lean towards I guess not with total confidence but some, then we autolose judgement day

*ding ding ding*

If they're scum, then scum is one step closer to a Heaven victory - but we get some breathing room during Hell 2.
If they're Town, then you have precisely summed up the problem.

Except that there's an obvious solution to that problem, if it arises: eliminating me during Hell 2. Better would be eliminating scum, but we'd be in a 4v3 ELo; I don't like our odds in that world.

Or we exalt someone else. Problem: If we exalt Town, then I predict Hell 2 will be a redux of what Heaven 1 started as - which is not conducive to actually figuring anything out. If we exalt scum ... probably the same outcome, except it isn't Judgment Day when it happens, so there's at least some extra time.

while this technically solves it, neither you nor i trust ich's reads

me and esooa mindmelding
'cept for dann heaven
then again i have one (1) person im confident sending to heaven and i don't want to this phase

To be honest it's kind of felt the same way for me

Like those thoughts exactly actually

including that person being farren?

[redtea]

I'm back for round #2. Will my Ich/Farren TRs + Redtea/flow TLs + Dann/Esooa/T3 team be torn to pieces ???

this isn't actual commentary i just wanna say this legitimately got me hyped to read your posts lol

[redtea]

[MT] has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game

actually im doing nsg dirty by saying that. Same slot tho

what

i like nsg but what did she do this game?

idk go like iso her or something
or not and place your bets on MT on her own merits, that works too
i know you were paranoid about nsg but mt is like. Definitely a salve to that paranoia, know what i mean?

a case would be useful on a heaven phase but I feel like t3 needs a level of casing that goes beyond "oh look at these surface level scummy posts" if that makes any sense

oh yeah, that's what i consider casing in the first place unless stated otherwise.
um but.... useful during the heaven phase? would it really? in what way?
partially asking because wtf, partially asking because i know im not going to have the motivation to case until we're looking at hell's deadline so like don't expect me to before then

second of all, despite the confidence they display in thread, I am at least pretty sure troje is a smart enough player to reevaluate in heaven as needed. like if we get to a judgement day with only troje in heaven they will *have* to consider that scum was okay enough with them being in heaven to not heavily counter wagon them?

this is getting too wifom for me.
Maybe ich will reevaluate. Maybe.

Maybe.

But I can't say I

trust

them, and that's. Kind of important here.

[redtea]

also i keep forgetting you get 36 hours until prod in this game. Then i forget that 36 hours is only 24+12 so i keep going "surely it hasn't been 36 yet? I just posted yesterday evening right?"
uuh i think today's been dead because we've just been eager on your posts mt.

[redtea]

Morning Tweet is town for effort I think. That doesn't totally outweigh the meta case on nsg.

if you used mt's review of that just now as a summary, i know there was more to the meta case than just that which basically contradicted the original one. I

think

someone said their scumplay improved majorly over time?
not that I don't agree with you, but for completeness's sake

*not that i don't agree mt is town. I don't think the meta case on nsg was relevant anymore, even before the replace-in

[Ich Troje]

I was sick yesterday but I'll try to contribute some todsy during breaks.
If anything, my bday is tomorrow and id love to be conftown for my bday <3
If theres any doubts on me choosing wrong, booneytoonz 14 shows me actually reeevaling based on scum choices. L

[Ich Troje]

MT looks to have nice looking reads but then I see small lines put in that make me go "huh thats not right at all"
Like them calling on people not to vote for me more and let timer run out while theyre the leading counterwagon - something subtle that is not directly saying "vote for me" but trying to keep themselves viable.

[Esooa]

I've played with t3 before and I didn't struggle to find them in any way at all. They were my town core day 1 both games. They can give reads as town, and I haven't seen that this game

[flow trap]

you're just jealous she can do quantity AND quality
has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game

Would you like a sun to go with that shade?

[flow trap]

Addtionally, you had a really hard TR on Farren before this point, so I **reeallly** question why you're taking the nongenerous route that he's discrediting you rather than the generous one that he is simply questioning Dann's logic.

I believe that's how they caught me as scum

I kind of discredited them and that was the turning point from what I saw

[Morning Tweet]

MT looks to have nice looking reads but then I see small lines put in that make me go "huh thats not right at all"
Like them calling on people not to vote for me more and let timer run out while theyre the leading counterwagon - something subtle that is not directly saying "vote for me" but trying to keep themselves viable.

that's the most important thing from my posts u thought to reply to???

I directly said I wanted to stay in the game, actually. but yes I also didnt want that to be an invitation for ppl to hammer u -- I wanted to wait on Dann for instance

[Morning Tweet]

I've played with t3 before and I didn't struggle to find them in any way at all. They were my town core day 1 both games. They can give reads as town, and I haven't seen that this game

Yes while I agree with Dann that T3 has a baseline of being scummy I have townread him in the past, and correctly! Idk if that was luck or not but I have seen things in T3 that showed a hidden thought process, whereas in this game there is none

[Ich Troje]

Sorry got into the book i was reading over break lol

Its the end of a series i started as a teenager, so it means a lot to me. The book itself is quite nicely analagous with this game's setup so xD

All I'll say is - hell Farren and then I'll take the reins and fix it if i need to reeval, then heaven flow if i was right
MT i cant say either way solidly atp.
Id say more but my supervisor is giving me a stern look , gl

[Dannflor]

oh yeah, that's what i consider casing in the first place unless stated otherwise.
um but.... useful during the heaven phase? would it really? in what way?
partially asking because wtf, partially asking because i know im not going to have the motivation to case until we're looking at hell's deadline so like don't expect me to before then

hell phase, it was 2am and I mistyped

[Dannflor]

also I fell asleep with my phone in my hand sorry I'm back now

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Farren #1020

HOLY FUCK it's deadline?

Well I'm not done playing this game personally so I'd probably vote Ich, probably town for basic reasons.. even if Ich is scum i'd rather have them eliminated rn then reeval anyway

My only concern being is that if Farren is in fact town, which I lean towards I guess not with total confidence but some, then we autolose judgement day

*ding ding ding*

If they're scum, then scum is one step closer to a Heaven victory - but we get some breathing room during Hell 2.
If they're Town, then you have precisely summed up the problem.

Except that there's an obvious solution to that problem, if it arises: eliminating me during Hell 2. Better would be eliminating scum, but we'd be in a 4v3 ELo; I don't like our odds in that world.

Or we exalt someone else. Problem: If we exalt Town, then I predict Hell 2 will be a redux of what Heaven 1 started as - which is not conducive to actually figuring anything out. If we exalt scum ... probably the same outcome, except it isn't Judgment Day when it happens, so there's at least some extra time.

while this technically solves it, neither you nor i trust ich's reads

me and esooa mindmelding
'cept for dann heaven
then again i have one (1) person im confident sending to heaven and i don't want to this phase

To be honest it's kind of felt the same way for me

Like those thoughts exactly actually

:eek:
including that person being farren?

I've agreed with Esooa several times

Except whenever she townreads Dann which freaks me out

And I'd vote Farren if Ich weren't being leavened

o.o

[Morning Tweet]

good morning dann

[Dannflor]

cliff notes on why you scum read me?

[T3]

I've played with t3 before and I didn't struggle to find them in any way at all. They were my town core day 1 both games. They can give reads as town, and I haven't seen that this game

???
I have been giving reads this game.

[Dannflor]

Morning Tweet is town for effort I think. That doesn't totally outweigh the meta case on nsg.

reading backwards

this is uh a bad post even considering T3

it also reads like scum that feels like they *have* to town read walls because only town put in effort but are really trying to find a way not to

there isn't even a meta case on nsg

nsg flaking is NAI

it's only AI when it's clear she's putting energies elsewhere like in Team Mafia 2020

[Dannflor]

the only point against nsg in my mind is that her posting pushing against esooa reminded me of my experience with scum!nsg in that her posting style seemed much more interested in appealing to the crowd than actually sorting alignment like I'm used to

haven't read enough from MT to form an opinion yet

[Morning Tweet]

cliff notes on why you scum read me?

Hmm as I recall your interactions with NSG and T3 ping me as odd. The post that got me the worst was the one about you suspecting ppl will scumread T3 if he's town so the mislim option is always open. That is exactly the kind of read I'd make as scum if I had an ulterior motive cause you could just as easily make an argument for the inverse

NSG I thought you were being a little resistant towards, I think you were largely reaching when you called out that question of hers to Esooa as scummy. Maybe cause you want to keep NSG as paranoia possible scum all game

You also did this with flow at the beginning of the game where it felt like a stretch the amount of scumminess you were getting out of a post of his

And just added on I scumread T3 and he interacts with you unnecessarily at least twice which psyches me out. And you just so happen to be keeping him null because he has baseline scumminess.

That being said it's been almost a little too generous for T3 if he's your partner so not entirely certain. If he were town I'd be concerned abt u all over again because them you were have an open opportunity to attack ppl scumreading him