Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

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oh okay

hi mathblade did you roll scum again

Thankfully no. Working now but will catch up after work.

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Votecount:

• innocentvillager (2): Save The Dragons, Datisi
  Datisi (2): innocentvillager, Faker
  NorwegianboyEE (1): GeorgeBailey
  marcistar (1): The M&Ms
  unwnd (1): NorwegianboyEE

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).

Anyone want to explain to me why their votes are where they are for when I get off work?

A wagon on Datisi is pretty shocking considering he’s usually an easy read.

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And Datisi v IV seems to be a thing. Usually 1v1s contain at least one town early if not both unless scum planned gambit so kinda interested in the dynamics of who is on who is off and why please.

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VOTE: iv
I believe in datisi

Why? You skimmed over me asking questions for a naked “I believe Datisi” Why?

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MathBlade replaces unwnd.

<3 great plist this is

Seems dissonant?

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MathBlade replaces unwnd.

<3 great plist this is

Seems dissonant?

Are you going to use words?

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Oh you’re a hydra. Got it. So dissonance is NAI. Looking forward to Dwlee’s answer.

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MathBlade replaces unwnd.

<3 great plist this is

Seems dissonant?

Are you going to use words?

While very funny to see Mathblade angrily talking to a tree. The image quote walls are a bit too much.

I don’t like this post.

I wasn’t angry. I was frustrated. Two different things.

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Sorry again for the wall. Hard to delete stuff on mobile

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And then for no reason i quote it as well… i swear it wasn’t there before i clicked submit… Anyway

Water. Earth. Fire. Air.
Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when innocentvillager attacked

Do you think we are in RVS or out of it?

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I don’t like this post.

I wasn’t angry. I was frustrated. Two different things.

I was making an joke. Is my sense of humor something you dislike to such an extent?

I do not see a joke here.
It seems to misrepresent what I said.
I do however struggle with jokes.
I also do not see where I am talking to a tree.

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VOTE: iv
I believe in datisi

Why? You skimmed over me asking questions for a naked “I believe Datisi” Why?

Homie I just repped in too. I read part of the first page and the stuff posted since I've been in here as well as a few posts in IV's ISO. I don't like the jokey "haha I'm scum derp" routine he did at the beginning.

Then why not vote IV because of that? Why the “I believe in Datisi” instead?

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VOTE: iv

what is this

Why are you asking yourself what you’re doing?

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I am serious? I don’t know what you’re laughing at.

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Sorry for being so rude, but your recent posts sent me on an laughing trip.
Anyway i’ll try to be serious.

Can you seriously answer my question about the seeming 1v1? (Yes I get Datisi moved his vote but haven’t read yet). Do you think it is TvT SvT TvS SvS?

Which way and why?

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Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo

This is NAI.

I have done the same as both alignments.
I struggle reading neon and mods use it anyway so I give up asking.

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Read what? The game? No.

How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?

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Read what? The game? No.

How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?

I already answered this.

Explain it like I am 5 please.

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A wagon on Datisi is pretty shocking considering he’s usually an easy read.

actually hold on

if i'm apparently an easy read (which i have no clue where you're getting form considering your experience with me is one game), why is the wagon on me shocking?

1) it’s not. 2119 is another game I have played with you. I also don’t have to have played with you to hear of meta about you.
2) It’s shocking because if you’re town I don’t think scum go after you and if you’re scum I don’t think the wagon would be like that.

It’s an unexpected deviation

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Read what? The game? No.

How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?

I already answered this.

Explain it like I am 5 please.

I individually thought IV bad and Datisi good

How did you think IV bad and Datisi hood without reading?

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Read what? The game? No.

How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?

I already answered this.

Explain it like I am 5 please.

I individually thought IV bad and Datisi good

How did you think IV bad and Datisi hood without reading?

I answered this too

This is an unexplained logical contradiction.
I do not understand it.

Does anyone else want to explain it to me?

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Does anyone else want to explain it to me?

you don't need to read the whole game to have reads on people? like, dwlee already gave reasoning why they thought iv was +scum and why i was +town

What I am struggling with is how you have reasoning without reading.

If you have no posts to go off of (IV has no posts since replace in I believe) then he can’t have an opinion unless he has read.

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A wagon on Datisi is pretty shocking considering he’s usually an easy read.

actually hold on

if i'm apparently an easy read (which i have no clue where you're getting form considering your experience with me is one game), why is the wagon on me shocking?

1) it’s not. 2119 is another game I have played with you. I also don’t have to have played with you to hear of meta about you.
2) It’s shocking because if you’re town I don’t think scum go after you and if you’re scum I don’t think the wagon would be like that.

It’s an unexpected deviation

(1) i don't count 2119 considering i was dead when you repped in, but sure. "hearing of someone's meta" feels a bit like it would be very easy to lead to errors but /shrug
(2) er, what would you expect the wagon on scum!tisi to be like? like, if you think i'm an easy read, then i'm assuming that also means i'm an easy read when scum too, so like. what's the issue

I would have expected more of a stagnant VC. Word is you hate scum and can’t match effort as you do town. So if you match effort then you’re prob town. Here you seem to be posting so probably town. But I think necessarily that makes IV town because I don’t see scum IV picking on someone like you but I do see a town IV believing you scum and pushing you. So likely TvT and will read to see if my theory is valid later

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It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

VOTE: Dwlee

I don’t like their ISO.

And if Dwlee flips scum I have a gut read M&Ms is.

Like I kinda wanna vote M&Ms based on gut but Dwlee is more likely.

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math have you had a chance to look at faker

Nope

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It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

mmm

i feel like i strongly dislike this. like i don't think "i didn't read the whole game but i read parts of it and have some opinions based on what i saw" isn't like, a controversial/scummy thing to say, and it feels like you're forcing it into being one

Awww I am sad. You’re making me wonder if you have stock in Home Depot or something

It isn’t a controversial thing to say but not wanting the accountability is.

The honest answer to have they read would be they skimmed, not a no.

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Awww I am sad. You’re making me wonder if you have stock in Home Depot or something

reminder that i don't actually know what that means

Home Depot sells chainsaws. You’re awfully invested in providing defenses for Dwlee when I am asking questions and you’re very invested in defending them.

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@The M&Ms who deserves a red M&M?

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It’s a possibility in my head. Datisi is very attached to you which was unexpected. He’s showing levels of resistance similar to when I was pushing Chaos in the recently completed game which implies he either knows your alignment or has a strong reason to townread you. It isn’t sitting right with me.

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everyone they're the best ones

Damn then I don’t understand your recent posting at all.

Guess that makes you town then. *shrug*

Joking tone aside they’re null.

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It reminds you of the time you were scum and pushing someone? :monocle:

Interesting. I didn’t say I was scum and you weren’t in that game. But yes it did, because of the level of resistance doesn’t match the game currently.

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Players

Bold = confirmed.
* denotes a prod.

• 1.
  innocentvillager
  
  2.
  Datisi
  
  3.
  GeorgeBailey
  
  4.
  NorwegianboyEE
  
  5.
  Save The Dragons
  
  6.
  marcistar
  
  7.
  Dwlee99 who replaced Faker
  
  8.
  The M&Ms
  
  9.
  MathBlade who replaced unwnd

So then if Dwlee is scum this means we’re looking at someone who was in mini 2226 like Datisi or maaaaybe M&Ms but I don’t believe in alt outing so leave it at a maybe.

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It reminds you of the time you were scum and pushing someone? :monocle:

Went to my ISO, read it, found I was scum, and posted a response in three minutes?

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Yes. Your alternative theory is that I asked in the scum PT and got an answer and posted there faster than that?

My alternative theory is someone told you I was scum recently and it’s a slip.

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It’s a possibility in my head. Datisi is very attached to you which was unexpected. He’s showing levels of resistance similar to when I was pushing Chaos in the recently completed game which implies he either knows your alignment or has a strong reason to townread you. It isn’t sitting right with me.

lol what? you attacked dwlee with "they said they didn't read the game but they had reads", which is an absolutely awful take that reminded me of the way you were twisting things i said back in 2226. i don't even have to townread dwlee (i actually do think their entrance is somewhat townie, but that's besides the point) to be able to say that that push is stinky. yes i know you turned it into "didn't want accountability" but nowhere did they not want accountability? like they said where their read on iv came from.

knowing full well i am gonna get called chainsawing again: do you find it impossible that people spectate games sometimes?

I think sometimes people spectate games and I believe it is you twisting not me.

They didn’t read but they “read” but then said they didn’t read is pretty clear to me.

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maaaaybe M&Ms but I don’t believe in alt outing so leave it at a maybe.

the fact you even have this knowledge has me

and is making me just considering outing

Sorry I shouldn’t have said anything

#derp

*tries to yank foot out of mouth*

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maaaaybe M&Ms but I don’t believe in alt outing so leave it at a maybe.

the fact you even have this knowledge has me

and is making me just considering outing

Sorry I shouldn’t have said anything

#derp

*tries to yank foot out of mouth*

its the fact that you know from out of game not that you said anything

I don’t? *confused*

Maybe I am wrong on who you are then and I don’t know anything.

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Off the clock now I can actually sit and read here.

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I am very wary of protracting out the conversation. To be blunt, even if I am biased I feel my point is very reasonable and intuitive, if not before than with 57 as a very explicit roadmap. It is not intended to be a mathematical proof to be either proven beyond doubt or dismissed as worthless if it cannot be. If you think it is flatly unreasonable for me to hold it, or that I am scum for doing so, we can switch the topic to that, but I have little interest in the idea that I

might

be wrong, as this is not new, and my initial take is not the only one important to the game.

VOTE: Unvote[/b]

I don’t like I am getting Faker townpings and Dwlee scumpings.

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VOTE: Unvote

I can’t type today apparently.

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Right now I prefer to be the informed minority. I like staying a step ahead. This changes frequently: at other times I am deeply fascinated by both the alignment and cooperation puzzles presented to the uninformed majority.

If you didn’t replace out I think we would get along swimmingly.

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Time to blatantly vote an dangerous player and see if they get mad.
VOTE: UNWND

I think M&Ms is town for this.
75/25 on Norway town.

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so u dont know what to think about me ?
u dont have anything u wanna ask about?

yeah. the q whether faker is nervous and the fos on std is fine. going off of one game of yours that i skimmed a bit back, i'd say it's vaguely townie, but /shrug, still feels too early.

sure, here's a question then - any updated thoughts on me/iv?

Why is the FoS on Dragons fine but the FoS by M&Ms on Norway ignored?

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What do you mean: "not enough"
You should really update the software and drivers on that vibe checker thing.

Lol software sucks for vibe checkers. Just don’t use it.

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Can i just say that i really think M&M’s should die if he’s just gonna post snapchat pictures all game?

I hate this post. Back to null read

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also @norwee, why do i get the boring username

I guess i just have an sort of image of you as an dull bespectacled office worker in his 40’s booting up his Dell computer to play minesweeper and solve mafia on the side, when not doing software consultation for the company. And that image brought itself over to your fantasy username somehow.

Stop describing me ten years younger and I am multitasking when I do it tyvm.

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im not really too worried about datisi right now, i feel like when innocentvillager comes in those posts you think are weird from datisi might make more sense to me.
i could see town being worried about their image as well. so it isnt really indicative of anything i feel.

i asked you if you were nervous because 13 kind of gave the vibes like you were imo, but excited could fit too so its not really something to push on right now imo.
kind of wanted to put the pin on what to think about it before i forget

i think save the dragons = scum

Y?

he failed the vibe check.

specifically, 75 has nasty nasty vibes
him commenting about how deep it is, but not adding any comment otherwise felt weird imo.

i go back and forth on whether marci's early posting on me/iv is townie thinking about it and not jumping to conclusions, or scum who knows there's nothing malicious going on there and is somewhat spewing that mindset while posting

so u dont know what to think about me ?
u dont have anything u wanna ask about?

Why does this one post destroy my townread on M&Ms?

Help. *sads*

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I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me

So then you think it’s IV+George?

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you know what, sure

i'd be lying if i said i totally see std as town now, as opposed to possibly scum who's tired of The Walls and doesn't wanna contribute much there, but my primary reason to wanting to kill him has kinda gone down now, that is you convinced me that my gut reaction probably wasn't valid

VOTE: georgebailey

pedit: i find faker slightly scummy for the "it's important for me to understand dats/iv, but it's difficult", followed by zero attempts to understand. but i'm not sure if voting him is gonna produce much right now? like, my current objective is to make all slots at least have something readable, and i wanna see how he responds first, so

I get scum pings from this and if I am right not with George.

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You need to treat people like they have nuance

Not an algorithm to sort

But but my shiny algorithms!! *sniffs*

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If you ever played on DLP then maybe? You don't remind me of anyone from there, though, and that was a long, LONG time ago.

Ugh if I missed Sloth I am gonna be hella sads.

That being said if Faker is sloth scum vibes.

I agree with my prior slot’s take that Datisi / Faker has a scum in it.

VOTE: Datisi

More likely of the two.

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Not really sure that’s necessary but
1) Your posts give me scumpings frequently
2) You’re vastly different than in the prior game
3) Our reads are pretty much polar opposites in most regards (STD is a top town read, even though I disagree with their solve I could see George but not IV I don’t think George and you make sense though and you’re more likely)

Usually I can find a bit where I go “yeah okay”
But your defense of Dwlee is weird
Your play with Faker and IV is weird
I don’t get most of your reads where as you were much more charismatic in the mini normal

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IV + Math or Dwlee's Marci concern is on the money and so were my gut concerns. It's not impossible for it to be george but either my reads are shit and he is or I have too many suspects and its likely that he's just not it. who knows mafia is a weird game.

I am probably never voting Faker slot.
I would rather vote one in the first 3 before voting Datisi.
I have not been presented with a reason to vote STD. Honestly same goes to IV I kinda don't get that one but I can see unwnd + IV being a team so like /shrug. Kinda leaving STD to the side for now.
don't have a norwee read yet. No reason to right now anyways. Tho I'm actually kinda mad that he won't let me troll him as easily

I feel like contributing so these are just my thoughts. I may or may not go back to trolling or actually contributing based on mood.

Dwlee I wouldn't worry about the pressure from math too much.
It's either irrelevant or its scum.
In one case you want to just let it do its own thing (talking sometimes doesn't rly help), the other you want to kill it.

I think we can kill it but like tbh idrc. Math gets easier to read overtime anyways.

VOTE: Marci
feeling this more thinking on it more /shrug

This is a whole lotta gibberish lol

Says Dwlee + Marci but yet never voting the Faker slot despite Dwlee being the Faker slot.

They said I am easier to read over time when the opposite is true. If you scumread me you never keep me around like ever.

Pretty sure M&Ms is just trolling still or scum at this point.

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Humor me. Explain the townread on Datisi.

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Because I disagree with everything in it and it uses an alt right figure in Pepe so double ewww

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Will they stop calling me an it?
That’d be nice.

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I’m not letting up the possibility that Mathblade is scum, because Mathblade always reps into scum slots.

Ah yes, the classic “Math is scum because he is good scum” argument. Rather than anything in game.

Remind me why are you town?

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i see the new replacements kept things popping

I’d probably be TRing math if I didn’t feel he was a strong scum player but unwnd was fine so

See this is the Townie equivalent. It’s not shade of me but it’s acknowledging I am good scum,

This split 2x2x2 sucks

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I’m not letting up the possibility that Mathblade is scum, because Mathblade always reps into scum slots.

IV/Math my scumreads

It is quite literally what you said.

Attack the attacker much?

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There’s 0 in it in regards to this game at all. So it’s just “waaaah I can’t find a reason to call Math scum so I am just gonna say he replaces into scum slots a lot”.

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Oh god, Mathblade scares me.

It’s not lol. You’ve been implying it a while.

If you think I am scum, you should be able to explain it with things from this game.

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There’s like this stupid BS undercurrent of shading me and never voting me that’s going on the entire game.

It’s weird.

It’s like scum want me discredited but don’t want to actually wagon me.

VOTE: M&Ms

Biggest offender time.

Plus they never apologized for calling me an it so tiny bit policy.

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Votecount:

• innocentvillager (2): NorwegianboyEE, GeorgeBailey
  marcistar (2): Dwlee99, The M&Ms
  GeorgeBailey (2): Datisi, Save The Dragons
  Datisi (1): MathBlade
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager

I would go so far as to say that anyone on the 2x2x2 should vote their second pick.

Everyone here is pretty active.

If you assume I can be scum incorrectly this means for no scum to be on any leading wagon two scum have to be in Me/Marci/IV.

IV+Marci results in George being ran up and at a minimum IV doesn’t vote a vanity wagon.
If my buddy was being wagoned I don’t vote vanity.

So then 2/3rds if not all three have to be town. I would suggest people look at 2nd or 3rd choice wagons

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Not really sure that’s necessary but
1) Your posts give me scumpings frequently
2) You’re vastly different than in the prior game
3) Our reads are pretty much polar opposites in most regards (STD is a top town read, even though I disagree with their solve I could see George but not IV I don’t think George and you make sense though and you’re more likely)

Usually I can find a bit where I go “yeah okay”
But your defense of Dwlee is weird
Your play with Faker and IV is weird
I don’t get most of your reads where as you were much more charismatic in the mini normal

1) is meaningless on its own
2) yeah, this is a vastly different game. how is my apparent difference scummy?
3.1) if our reads are different, why does that make me scum as opposed to town with different thoughts? which of my reads are in bad faith?
3.2) are those not my reads?? i'm townreading std, i can see george scum and i don't think iv is scum? like?

why is my defense of dwlee weird when you literally attacked them for "they said they didn't read the game but they had reads", do you not see how that is an awful take from the outside?
what about my play around faker and iv is weird
why is weird scummy

none of this feels properly founded

1) Gut and scumpings are not meaningless.
2) You’re not charismatic town leader. So you’re scummy hence in my would elim pool.
3.1) Too much in contrast is the problem I have. With a town player I disagree with I at least see something I can agree with
3.2) I don’t remember the exact post but I remember that I wrote that with those thoughts.

I attacked them for lying. Pretty straightforward. You keep repeating the same thing. Do you expect a different answer?

Regarding Faker and IV that’s been covered extensively.

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i read 617 5 times and i still have no clue what the conclusions are there or how math is coming to them

I mean it’s step by step…

Start with pool of people not voting on the 2v2v2

Unless there’s 2 scum in that pool of three scum are in those 6 players
Distributed votes no incentive to bus…

No incentive to bus means scum are voting town.
If scum are voting town they’re not likely being wagoned

So then all the wagons suck.

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2) You’re not charismatic town leader. So you’re scummy hence in my would elim pool.

So because Datisi is not playing exactly the same as 'previous game' they= scum?

It’s a contributing factor but not the only one.

I have listed several reasons why this game as well.

I think at least one scum if not both in Datisi/Norway/M&Ms/Dwlee

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you know what, sure

i'd be lying if i said i totally see std as town now, as opposed to possibly scum who's tired of The Walls and doesn't wanna contribute much there, but my primary reason to wanting to kill him has kinda gone down now, that is you convinced me that my gut reaction probably wasn't valid

VOTE: georgebailey

pedit: i find faker slightly scummy for the "it's important for me to understand dats/iv, but it's difficult", followed by zero attempts to understand. but i'm not sure if voting him is gonna produce much right now? like, my current objective is to make all slots at least have something readable, and i wanna see how he responds first, so

I get scum pings from this and if I am right not with George.

If you ever played on DLP then maybe? You don't remind me of anyone from there, though, and that was a long, LONG time ago.

Ugh if I missed Sloth I am gonna be hella sads.

That being said if Faker is sloth scum vibes.

I agree with my prior slot’s take that Datisi / Faker has a scum in it.

VOTE: Datisi

More likely of the two.

For starters here
But it’s also been covered extensively by others in thread

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Unless there’s 2 scum in that pool of three scum are in those 6 players
Distributed votes no incentive to bus…

No incentive to bus means scum are voting town.
If scum are voting town they’re not likely being wagoned

i still have no clue how you're getting here?

like, how do you get to "if scum are voting town, they're likely not being wagoned" do you expect scum to bus with just 2 votes on them?

I would expect consolidation. There’s no fear or panic here so scum are happy with the position the game is in.

Assume one wagon of the 2x2x2 is
T >> T,S or T >> S,T or T>>S,S (This premise is scum voting town)

Then there is only one other scum vote outstanding. Again no pressure to vote a buddy.

So then the wagons with multiple players on it are more likely to be on town since scum gain nothing from vanity wagons.

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Votecount:

• innocentvillager (2): NorwegianboyEE, GeorgeBailey
  marcistar (2): Dwlee99, The M&Ms
  GeorgeBailey (2): Datisi, Save The Dragons
  Datisi (1): MathBlade
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager

If all the scum are not in Norway/George/Dwlee/M&Ms/Datisi/STD then I would be shocked.

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math, i really really don't care it was covered by other people. i'm asking for *your* thoughts. neither of those quotes actually explain why you thought my handling of the situation was weird, let alone scummy.

I think they do pretty well along with my prior ISO.

I see no point in arguing down that path with you when my path is limited and I would rather focus on the wagon dynamics that “I don’t get it” when it’s really freaking simple and I go step by step.

Like c’mon dude

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math, i really really don't care it was covered by other people. i'm asking for *your* thoughts. neither of those quotes actually explain why you thought my handling of the situation was weird, let alone scummy.

I think they do pretty well along with my prior ISO.

I see no point in arguing down that path with you when my path is limited and I would rather focus on the wagon dynamics that “I don’t get it” when it’s really freaking simple and I go step by step.

Like c’mon dude

Time is limited lmao
Brain fart

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Like assume IV is scum >> then Norway and George prob town and innocent votes vanity because ….?
Assume Marci is scum >> Marci doesn’t vote anyone because …
Assume George is scum >> Makes IV almost certainly town, this makes Norway town for scum rarely double park town. So then Marci + George is possible but not very probable as Marci and George aren’t doing anything to stoke flames or division.

So I don’t see a way 2/3rss of IV/Marci/George are scum which means at most one is which means your wagons suck go vote a second choice or something.

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you don't have to explain it right away, we have 3 days. but i want to see actual your thoughts because hiding behind "others explained it better" isn't gonna win you any favours. and i can't discuss the wagon things now anyway since i'm obviously briandead for the wagon stuff and i wanna try to figure it out but i'm in a call rn so

I am not looking to win favors. I am looking to elim scum.

I gotta work now

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VOTE: Datisi clearly scum

;)

yes. part of it is in jest, because i know innocentvillager will match into anything he can to call me scum early (he's a treasure), part of it I s serious as i am not in the mood to listen to arguments about how i'm scum because i offered to help someone.

would you like to declare a scumread on me because of being concerned about my own image?

this feels NAI to me

Datisi will probably become more readable over time I think

I don’t think I particularly care for faker’s suspicion on Datisi tho but I don’t want to discourage him from pursuing what he believes

I don’t think scum!IV writes these posts
There’s more I want to comment on but I don’t see IV scum here

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If we assume scum IV Datisi town then scum IV intentionally picks a fight with Datisi, doesn’t make sense to me
If we assume scum IV scum Datisi I mean possible but why would scum IV and scum Datisi 1v1 like that?

I don’t see IV as scum here

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Scum have to have a plan in RVS as they aren’t hunting.
So in RVS IV intentionally pokes at Datisi, nah not buying it

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no one has a plan in RVS

it's RVS

Then imho you’re playing scum wrong.

When I am scum (not this game) every post is a calculation and manipulation designed to get further ahead.
If you don’t have a plan (whatever your alignment) it’s a plan for failure.

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*Yawn*

Mathblade sure has a lot of interesting things to say.

After work I acknowledge I have a lot to catch up on yes

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Micro mini large?

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you may want to open your mind up a little

I don’t assume suboptimal play until evidence presents itself that’s what happened.
Optimal play is to have a plan whatever your alignment

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As I should be on your radar.
I put in effort to avoid any sort of meta tell between alignments.

That’s not a yikes STD.
My plan today is to force scum into a suboptimal play that tips their hand.
They know wagons will be watched so they now have a hyper focus on where they place their vote.
That creates more for us to go off of to find scum.

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My plan is kil IV

Then push him.

You’re not executing your plan.

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As I should be on your radar.
I put in effort to avoid any sort of meta tell between alignments.

That’s not a yikes STD.
My plan today is to force scum into a suboptimal play that tips their hand.
They know wagons will be watched so they now have a hyper focus on where they place their vote.
That creates more for us to go off of to find scum.

nah it gets a yikes from me dawg

you didn't answer my question about the wagons, though...knowing i'm voting IV and not george bailey, doesn't that throw your 2x2x2 analysis out the window? do you have thoughts about that?

I do, I am just on my lunch break here.

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yes, that is very much a yikes

assuming perfect play and only operating under the idea that the opponents will only do Perfect Moves (no, this is not a crumb) will lose you more games than it will win you and is generally a bad practice. unless you know everyone on the table is an extremely good player of [opposite alignment]. and also like i am again getting flashbacks to having had to argue this exact thing in the other game

It’s a great practice. Assuming people are good nets more scum than it loses.
If people are bad then they will get caught anyway.
Difference is I was forced to argue a lot of dumb shit that game at at a certain point was trying to get elimmed to save NM another day.
Here there’s no traitor.
As any alignment I always suggest the optimal strategy.

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I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me

STD literally argues the same thing. Scum!Marci doesn’t pussyfoot around voting you. Because you believe optimal scum Marci votes you. It’s the same thing I just have the courage to say it.

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I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me

STD literally argues the same thing. Scum!Marci doesn’t pussyfoot around voting you. Because you believe optimal scum Marci votes you. It’s the same thing I just have the courage to say it.

yikes

You’re saying yikes at yourself. Lmao you’ve played with town me you’re better than this dude.

I think you’re town but c’mon dude

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viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86330

Here’s a fine example: optimal play said NDMath was incorrect and Koba was town. NDMath was scum.

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Another example: A50 was scum.
FoS’d him because he wasn’t as good as he usually is.

I always hold players to the standards I know they can achieve and I will never ever change that.

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This is turning into another one of those games where i don't play to please anyone because i don't care, and that get's read as scummy.

Oh no you’re scummy besides that.

In the game where I was scum and you got lock Towned before you were lock towned you didn’t care and it was different

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viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84589

Game I am talking about Norway if anyone cares to look it up.

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Votecount:

• innocentvillager (2): Save The Dragons, Datisi
  Datisi (2): innocentvillager, Faker
  NorwegianboyEE (1): GeorgeBailey
  marcistar (1): The M&Ms
  unwnd (1): NorwegianboyEE

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).

Assuming 141 is accurate you moved from George (199) to IV in the mid 240s.

Most of the timespan was interactions with IV. IV was defensive as that’s what the page was about but then votes Norway and doesn’t keep his vote on Datisi. That really doesn’t read like scum to me.

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Votecount:

• innocentvillager (3): NorwegianboyEE, GeorgeBailey, Save The Dragons
  marcistar (2): Dwlee99, The M&Ms
  GeorgeBailey (1): Datisi
  Datisi (1): MathBlade
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).

Combining it here with latest votes we are looking at a stale vote from Datisi,

My vote should be on M&Ms I believe

VOTE: M&Ms (just to be sure)

We are still looking at scum not giving a fuck if either IV or Marci die. Takes 5 to eliminate, STD is voting with a scumread on IV and there’s no other wagon except my scum pool on Marci.

This VC is ugly and scum are apathetic atm

My preferred elim is M&M.
I will consolidate on Datisi, Norway, Dwlee

That’s pretty much where I am at.

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VOTE: norwegianboyee

Yeah this is prob town. Marcistar just thinking they caught me as scum for being lazy and not pushing IV harder or some BS.

it seems like you are fitting a reason to your read here - by virtue of her being town to you you come up with some explanation for why she did what she did

Flash wagon Norway?

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what do you find scummy about him again?

Tone is off and certain posts ping me.
Interactions don’t seem right especially with M&Ms

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Combining it here with latest votes we are looking at a stale vote from Datisi,

in response to this shade - there is a reason why my vote is still on george.

Which is?

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i got the “confbiastown town” or “mafia driving a narrative” vibe because it strongly contrasts his reaction towards my vote on him, which he just didn’t like because of omgus or whatever and he was already scumreading me at the time

Can you say this again?

I can’t tell if you’re talking me or Norway.
Your vote is on Norway but you quoted my post.

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Combining it here with latest votes we are looking at a stale vote from Datisi,

in response to this shade - there is a reason why my vote is still on george.

Which is?

[redacted] considering that me saying it now would let george know what to do in order to get me to unvote

Let’s try this a different way.

Your vote hasn’t moved for 100+ (guesstimate) posts and you don’t talk about George a lot.

Why are you voting one way yet pushing another?

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VOTE: Norway
The wagon of flash I summon thee while I work

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And before you even go there Datisi I am hunting in my pool of four

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m&ms are probably my top town read tbh

That requires explanation of how you’re townreading a slot with almost no context and can’t even recognize they should apologize and not call people “it” unless they are an it in its profile

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I mean like go for it.
Norway is either grandstanding or being a silly player.

I am one person. One person scumreading him doesn’t necessitate the response given assuming it’s genuine.

I don’t believe him and I don’t think M&Ms is town either. But we shouldn’t risk him being actually genuine today.

VOTE: M&Ms

Bring it. 1v1 you and me let’s go.

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Yes.

They’ve done nothing Townie at all.

They post random fucking images all day without any context.

Then when I have a narrow PoE the few times they do post words it’s unintelligible gibberish and calling me less than human.

So yes let’s.

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Look! I posted an image whoopedy freaky do guess I am obvTown.

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it's not the images themselves its how m&ms uses them

It’s meaningless.

I can take any of their images and make it say 25 things.

Oh the orange M&M means discomfort here, disappointment there. It’s empty and vacuous.

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I’m not letting up the possibility that Mathblade is scum, because Mathblade always reps into scum slots.

Take here.
This can mean “Hmmmm you have a point”
Or “Hmmmm not how I see that”

And without them using words they can come back and say however it suits their narrative.

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well like everything else you've said this entire game i disagree

Then vote me.

Because until they do something that’s actually verifiable content that they actually have to stick to they’re the scummiest of everyone here.

I don’t plan on moving off them like at all.

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STD sell me on IV.
I will sell you on MathBlade later this day phase.
Right now my intention is to votepark in the pool of {IV, Marci, Math, George} while reading along and watching what actions they perform, so at this minute I do not feel pressured to do anything.

Even more reason you should be the elim.
IV and Marcy (no matter how small the timeframe) were in a 2v2v2 and IV was the primary focus.
No counter wagon or shift formed.

This makes IV more than likely town.
Marci is more than likely town as explained earlier
And George is the only decent vote there but that’s being quiet more so than a scumread.

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i dunno man, after all that i'm not sure i'm sold on iv

Then you got the same problem as IV too many townreads

Means you should look over the game again. Start from concrete where the votes are and go from there

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Your way leads to you keeping your vote somewhere you don’t have confidence in.

How do you rectify that problem?

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Doubling down

So your solution to not having a scumread is to vote a townread?

*confused*

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I didnt say I thought he was town

I said I wasnt sure I was sold

People can be one of three things
>> Scum
>> Null
>> Town

If you’re not sold on IV scum, meaning null or town, why not put your vote on the person most likely to flip scum fypov George?

Not following what you’re doing here

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How does doubling down help you?

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Exactly

???
I literally ask what you’re doing and ask incredulously and you’re “Exactly?”?

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Oh that makes more sense. I still think you’re wrong but that makes some sense

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He’s referring to when I was pissed off in the recently completed mini normal that had like 6 conf town by day two.

I sucked that game don’t get me wrong but uhmmm setups have been bad as of late so this one being an open setup I replaced into handily because it wouldn’t have the same issues.

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math do u agree with my logic for why i think you are town?

Enough to where you’re a townread.

I am a logical town or scum player but I am much more charismatic as scum.
I mean I explained it like someone was 5 and the only response is “I don’t get it”.
I can’t work with that. If you’re not telling me what you don’t understand you either don’t want to work with me or you’re scum.

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So you’re basing your read on what exactly? I clicked on their ISO and saw only the one signup post and here. You’re that confident in who they are?

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You're still as impulsive as ever Al- *cough* M&Ms

Oh if this is permabanned ABR I know I made the right choice 1v1ing him.

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There's no way in hell M&M's isn't town for that random vote switch from Mathblade to Marcistar. Because it makes no sense for scum!them to not just keep voting Mathblade.
So in the self-proclaimed 1v1 between Mathblade/M&M's, Mathblade already lost majorly and looks like an dominant and megalomaniac control freak of an scum that wants to powerwolf this game.

Go for it.

Even if I am miselimmed y’all flip M&M or you after me.

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Literally there’s no case or points it’s just “yikes” and “gross”
No explanation.

Tells me my PoE is spot on.

Scum can succeed in miselimming me today and lose the war or they can concede I am obvTown and elim M&Ms

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The scum motivation is that he is wying for control. And trying to dominate the game as an wolf and eliminate opposition.

What control of the game would I have when dead?

This push calling me scum is empty. You haven’t said a single reason why I am scum THIS game.

Final solve is M&Ms +Norway.

>> M&Ms uses pictures to avoid content. The little content they do have they contradict themselves in the same post.

>> M&Ms switches off of me to Marci because they know I won’t go down without a fight. They need an easy miselim.

>> M&Ms tries to use a transphobic moment to throw me off my game and it didn’t work. At this point they could have easily dropped a fake “Sorry” and moved on back to their images, but all there is is a freakin + sign.

>> M&Ms has now pivoted to George + Marci. No reason no explanation just convieniently the group a lot of people have whispered about. But then they pick Marci who iirc has the most votes of the two. M&ms just wants anyone at this point.

Now it’s possible, not probable, that Norway is town and just is really really tunnelled on me but I doubt it.

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This is just how he plays as scum, very direct not afraid to get his hands wet.

I will go one further. You like talking meta so much, describe my town game. Go on. Do it.

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The scum motivation is that he is wying for control. And trying to dominate the game as an wolf and eliminate opposition.

I mean maybe

i still feel like there is a difference between what he is doing (pissing a bunch of ppl off, trying to aggressive shift people off of the main couple wagons), and an actual scum agenda to control everyone

maybe I just feel this way because I’m getting WK’d by him and not pissed off lol

If people are pissed off, good. They should be.

Letting transphobic content go unchecked, unexplained townreads, not talking with each other.

If people are pissed at me then people would be working together which is still an improvement over the “my reads are X”, my reads are “y” and no one actually talking with each other.

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math why do you have a final solve at this stage?

i don’t know if I love the case on M/M, the only thing I can see is that marci/George is an easy solve rn but tbh I have both near my bottom too

Because it’s to me they’re scum. Simple as that. Game has only two scum. I scumread them. They work as a team. M&Ms is more likely than Norway. Norway hinted at something I shouldn’t say but I think it was just to get me off their scent because scum actually can’t do X or they’d be dead so Norway resolves themselves one way or the other.

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Dwlee I wouldn't worry about the pressure from math too much.
It's either irrelevant or its scum.
In one case you want to just let it do its own thing (talking sometimes doesn't rly help), the other you want to kill it.

I think we can kill it but like tbh idrc. Math gets easier to read overtime anyways.

They call me an “it”. This is a common transphobic thing to do.

Their response to it was just to quote it and a plus sign.

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Will they stop calling me an it?
That’d be nice.

+

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https://coe.uga.edu/assets/downloads/de ... phobic.pdf

Simple guide if you want it.

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Furthermore they call me “irrelevant” or scum.

Simply for pushing. What town motivation is there?

And why tell Dwlee not to worry?

Possible M&Ms + Dwlee if Norway is town and matches with the beginning of the game.

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he's not doing a great job saving his partner marci or George if my elimination doesn't go through

Datisi I did say that as the first reasoning

But then my part two i think is basically just he’s not doing a great job saving Marci or George especially by whiteknighting me so really I think the only pairing to me that makes a whole lot of sense objectively is with me

why is the possibility of "scum!math is failing at saving his partner" not an option there?

actually ehh saving you does look kinda weird there

Because I quite literally do not fail D1 if I am scum. I have had maybe one game in the years I have been on site where I failed D1 but that was an already outed slot shooting for the moon. Anyone who knows my scum meta knows this.

If I want to manipulate people I can.

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It was unintentional and I would rather just not do it again because that’s what matters more than an apology. In my culture I was taught that apologizes don’t mean anything and that it’s better to just not do it. Rereading I realized I did so I apologize

Apologies mean a lot here in general because they get followed up with actions:

For me and how I grew up an apology is three fold
1) Address the pain you caused (regardless of if good intentions)
2) Address how you won’t do it again (eg avoid the circumstances that caused the hurt)
3) Do it.

I am sometimes shitty at this but this is what I learned for it.

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(1) i really do not care for "scum!me is better than this" arguments
(2) is iv even supposed to know that?

1) It’s evidence based. If you don’t care for evidence I can’t help you.
2) Yes. He knows me enough on site and considering I can do things like peg every PR in large normals this is accurate. You saw an off game in that mini normal.

Norway if town fears me for good reason so it’s more like having to bring my town game to be better for me

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My town game (which we are currently in) is shit and I am working on it.

What irks me is the “I don’t see it” after laying out a case and no one says why they don’t disagree.

This only reinforces my scumread of M&M and makes me hate counter wagons

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should i lay down the evidence of how many times you said "scum!me doesn't end up in this situation" as scum in that mini normal?

What irks me is the “I don’t see it” after laying out a case and no one says why they don’t disagree.

what's the case again? you can just link it if i missed it

Already linked 809.

And in most of those cases what I was saying was accurate until the point I wanted to be elimmed.

Most of the cases were arguing a flawed premise. The conclusion was correct, me being scum, but the argument was wrong.

You are free to think I am scum all you wish but when I say scum!me doesn’t do X that’s pretty much truth.

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Whelp this is why I don’t alt hunt.

Wanna provide content Alisae?

I wasn’t even trying to hunt you til Norway said Al…And the first name that popped in my mind was the ABR incident in Team Mafia when he was losing and did transphobic shit to Mastina so I was triggered sorry.

I will avoid this by trying to ask more questions.

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VOTE: Unvote

I think me being triggered caused me to tunnel.

Going to reread later.

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Yeah you screwed up trying to push Alisae as the elimination.

That wasn’t a mistake as my agenda was and is force scum into a bad position.
Even if you think I am scum, I never plan who to push as scum unless I am behind. Town almost always does a better job for me.

All I did was realize I made a mistake and realized my perception of the game was wrong so I am eating crow while it is young.

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Math if you value our friendship can u apologize for vilifying me and painting my 1 slip up as me being a transphobic asshole?
I thought the + would make it come across that it was me cuz no one on this website does that considering is nq lingo but clearly it didn’t.

Calling someone transphobic carries a lot of weight behind it and usually the people who are transphobic go out of their way to do it multiple times. Did I hurt you this much to warrant such a title?

I am sorry. I already said I was wrong.
And yes me reading that I thought you called me an “it” hurt a lot.

I apologized for the misconception above already and I have and will be taking steps to fix it.

Let me be abundantly clear Alisae is not transphobic and never was.
I misread the situation.

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Can we go back to playing mafia now?

Yes which is why I want to reread here. I think my prior reads are invalid because of my prior emotions.

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I think my 2v2v2 analysis was right.
Std thinks it was wrong.

Does anyone else think it was wrong?

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I am trying to figure out what is salvageable of my reads.

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I think my 2v2v2 analysis was right.
Std thinks it was wrong.

Does anyone else think it was wrong?

wasn't the reason it was wrong because you were working from an incorrect vc?

It was 2v2v2 for a short amount of time like std said.

It was still a 2v2v2

The moment it was the logic still applies

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Unless my counting is wrong it was. If my counting is wrong then okay not valid
Can’t recount at work but last I remember it was

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can you eli5 your 2x2x2 analysis and explain why you think even though it was there for a short time that all three wagons are unlikely to be on scum

Player A >> two votes
Player B >> two votes
Player C >> two votes

External votes / non votes 3 others.

Either 2 scum, 1 scum, or no scum are being wagoned
If 2 scum were being wagoned then consolidation on the Townie would have happened. It didn’t.
If 1 scum was being wagoned then consolidation would have happened.
If no scum were being wagoned then this is likely to happen

It could be argued that std voting IV from George was consolidation but considering STD is leading the George charge now not really.

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Why? This is a common thing.

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Because otherwise they’ll end up consolidating on them anyway.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284

Prime example:
Two wagons stalled D1 Meg and Chaos (iirc Chaos was the counter wagon).

Myself, Prism/NM, and Unlaut were all off wagons which simulated scum resistance specifically to fuck with Titus VCA (well I was at least).

I didn’t care which one I got for that day.

Eventually I was forced to consolidate onto Meg anyway.
Scum consolidation will almost always happen on a Townie rather than on a scum

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The one exception is flash wagons where it is worse to be off than on.

But nothing here has been flash.

So a good chunk if not all of IV/Marci/George are probably town as you’d need a really inactive scum otherwise

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is this a thing where you're attributing your optimal play to people who don't play optimally on accident/purpose

No

viewtopic.php?p=12861429&user_select%5B ... #p12861429

For context I just pulled up a random micro
Dwlee and ActionDan were scum.
Look at the vote counts when Not Mafia and VFP were wagoned and scum didn’t care
Compare them to here.
They are remarkably similar

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FYI you have to look at the end of the game Dwlee was an actress (the role) so Dwlee wasn’t town.

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viewtopic.php?p=12882541#p12882541

This is what I would be expecting if a wagon was on scum. The other buddy would be voting a Townie wagon.

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Dwlee replaced into the Enchant slot.

Pedit: okay why? What do you not “buy” or understand?

Just saying you don’t buy it cuts off conversation.

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my issue is that none of the wagons were especially solid / seemed like they were likely to go through. which imo makes it solid ground for scum who threw on a throwaway bus vote to be idly sitting on that wagon waiting for a good opening to jump off.

Scum do not tend to do that though as they fear their vote being the one to make it pick up steam.
While that is a good strategy in practice it is rarely ever done

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Today is more about who is probably scum and analyze it from there.
Outliers are always possible but it’s a matter of what is probable.

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i thought we were assuming perfect don corleone play >_>

who's your current targets then?

I don’t have a target.

I have a PoE. Someone who was voting in that 2x2x2 (no matter how brief) who isn’t in Marci/IV/George.

I have to head back to work but will look at VCs again.

Probably someone in position two on a wagon.

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Dwlee replaced into the Enchant slot.

Pedit: okay why? What do you not “buy” or understand?

Just saying you don’t buy it cuts off conversation.

i'm trying not to get into the weeds with a pedantic conversation about whether or not a thing happens because of 2x2x2 wagons

but we can!

but let's say inactive george is scum and marci is town. you're saying george would have voted marci in the miniscule amount of time the wagons were 2x2x2? when i think scum!george

1) does nothing because he's not here
2) maybe makes a new case
3) maybe pushes the wagon on his buddy scum!iv to bus for towniecred
4) comedy option

To the contrary.

If inactive George is scum and Marci is town George was a part of 2x2x2
His partner would be voting a Townie

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so you're looking at who the partner is voting?

they can't be bussing at this point because

they have to be involved in the 2x2x2 because

They can’t be bussing because it’s unlikely.

In the case George is scum they’d either be doing a planned bus (which there’s no evidence of) or voting elsewhere. Likely there are two wagons on town means probably voting a town in that 2x2x2 rather than starting own wagon.

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I start from >75% likelihood and go forward.

It’s more than likely scum we’re not bussing as there’s no evidence of tryharding/efforting on a wagon.

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so it's based on what's likely and what's not likely?

what if what if what if

that's why i don't buy it

If someone told you that a player was 99% likely to be scum do you vote there?

75%

50%

Everyone has a threshold and sure there might be conditions but everyone does it.
If you’re town you are (or should be) pushing who you think is most likely scum.

I really really don’t like this you don’t buy it because I don’t know who scum is.

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This reads to me as “Well I can’t argue with Math on the merits because it is more likely” “I can’t argue with Math that it’s false because we did it” “So what if I shade him?”

That’s how you sound to me.

You haven’t said anything wrong you’re just saying what if {remote possibility here} and asking about it.

I don’t chase a remote possibility when I have likely probability.

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so it's based on what's likely and what's not likely?

what if what if what if

that's why i don't buy it

Here

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i am kind of annoyed that math seems to hold both "we must assume scum are good players and always have a plan and aren't doing anything accidentally" and "no, we cannot assume scum is doing this good move"

i'm not getting the same spine chilling feeling from math that i did last game but like, a lot of this solving feels almost arbitrary

It is a good move for VCA purposes but only if the gamestate allows for it.
Sometimes solving is arbitrary like a chess board.
Newbie C9 seemed arbitrary before the strategy was optimal.

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where's the probability coming from

Years of experience playing mafia on forums and irl

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VOTE: STD

Good vote while I reread after work

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guess i'm not a top town read anymore

Nope sure aren’t.

As I said I am revisiting my reads.

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why exactly are you voting me

I already said why I don’t like how you are arguing against what’s probable so it’s a good temp vote til I read

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 9-10%3famp

*hides in blushies*

I have to know this shit for my job. It’s why we can’t have a frog themed game lol

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Like I said because it’s you I know you’re not alt right but ..not knowing that I overreacted just providing context

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Nope. What is your intent by posting that gif?

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@Mod: Can I have a VC please?

Haven’t read as I wasn’t irrelevant in civ like I usually am.

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@Mod: Can I have a VC please?

Haven’t read as I wasn’t irrelevant in civ like I usually am.

How did that go btw

Put my units on the wrong side for defense and cap got one shotted a few turns before I could mass scientist a ton of tech for the space race. Might have been close if I didn’t make that mistake.

Anywho feel like shit no idea of VC and so may not be able to read. I think consolidation options still seem to be IV Marci and George.

I think all these options are crap as stated before but
VOTE: george

Least shitty of a bad situation.

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okay okay we're running out of time
i'm getting this sinking feeling that george is actually town, his wagon is mostly town, and scum is sitting by the sidelines not doing shit because they don't care

i would have much more confidence in this if george were here and actually playing the damn game he signed up to play but here we are ig

also i hate about everything that marci has put out in the last page or so and her resistance to george kiiinda feels like scum last minute defending a loltownie who's about to flip and uh

do we last minute flashwagon or not

I think no.

I was already on George as a compromise. I have even less faith Marci or IV flip scum.

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what if the team is marci george

I don’t think that’s probable. And if the team includes George then no need to flash wagon.

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Are you really suggesting that an super genius like me can be wrong?

I know you’re wrong on your scumread of me so and that’s like all your content almost so yeah, you’re probably wrong.

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Are you really suggesting that an super genius like me can be wrong?

I know you’re wrong on your scumread of me so and that’s like all your content almost so yeah, you’re probably wrong.

Why did you unvote M&M and reser your reads after they outed their alt?

I unvoted M&M because I thought they were someone else who was doing flail scum tactics.
My emotions got the better of me so my read on the slot was bad.

I need to read again but when I am that compromised I should re-evaluate

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I won’t allow you to kill my scum partner this early.

I mean George if scum will probably get hammered. If you stay off and he flips scum that just makes the case already.

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Fine by me. I already said George was a compromise: My primary PoE will be demonstrated if that happens.

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VOTE: Dwlee99 if George is town
VOTE: Norway is George is scum

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What are you George?

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Sorry in the middle of my date I had to reschedule thought night would go longer
Haven’t read I am a VT.

PRs should claim to be conf town then scum have to kill prs or have conf town in elo.

Haven’t read scum is in Datisi and Std imho

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I townread Marcistar for the record, and for an reason.
Scum probably bussed.

I agree it’s why I think Datisi bussed

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why the hell do people think i'm a masochist and insist on turbobussing my strongman for the whole goddamn day 1 when i know very well that 99/100 ends in me entering autoloss

Because you tried to get George off at the last second.

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Haven’t read scum is in Datisi and Std imho

try reading?

I did. Rl came up and everyone else had to vote fast night including scum which means scum has a strategy.

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@marci can you do like a general readslist with a few words for each player?

btw i was like working on this, but dont wait on me too much cuz like..
its taking alot more than a few words and i keep getting sidetracked

Yeah Marci is town. Scum would force an safe readslist to look busy.

Which funny enough looks like this

i think im at like

{STD, Math} - townlean
{Datisi, Dwlee} - townish i guess
{marci} - ehh conflicted
{Nor, George, M&M} - null

LIke why did this post happen

to try to get me offed when he eventually fell.

try to look at the bigger picture rn instead of tunneling.
i can claim if u want but im not sure if i wanna

You should.
If PR you’re conf town if VT then you’re in the poe

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alisae just look at the bigger picture and realize im jailkeeper pls

Your action was??

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VOTE: STD

I think I was right with my earlier tell and STD consolidated on IV.

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am i wrong about mathblade being town

i feel like mathblade would be trying harder than this

Classic mafia logic dictates that Marci might have stopped an STD action with the JK and that makes them the best lim here.

Which is why i am voting Mathblade instead.

Then StD would claim PR and be conf it’s in std/Datisi

I literally town told

Policing me may be the best okay today but std wins the game prolly

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I am in the middle of a date

Those are rare for me

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Other PR should claim before EoD

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What is the town VS scum advantage to have the last PR claim now?

Pr is conf town

Both PRs claim then scum have to shoot a PR
If last PR is baby sitter then can possibly get a scum no kill.

Pr claiming today only day it works

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Mafia would want the last PR to claim today, and that is the line you are pushing Math.

No they would not.

Pushing for last PR claim is pro town

Scum have to kill a PR tonight or a PR is in elo.

Knowing that then last PR is in babysitter or follower

If Babysitter they’d be on Marci so then they’d die shooting Marci.
If Follower then they’d learn who scum is and become a de facto role cop.

If it is a follower scum have to have the follower die tonight or they lose due conf town problem.
But scum should already know who the PR is as I suspect I know who it is.

So it’s better for the Pr to claim in the open.

Worse case scenario miselim me PR dies
Miselim STD PR dies then elo in the same PR

Then Datisi elim should win the game

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What is the town VS scum advantage to have the last PR claim now?

Pr is conf town

Both PRs claim then scum have to shoot a PR
If last PR is baby sitter then can possibly get a scum no kill.

Pr claiming today only day it works

u want babysitter to claim so u can get the 2 for 1 value meal

Not how that works
Babysitter would be in the PoE if they claim

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Mafia would want the last PR to claim today, and that is the line you are pushing Math.

No they would not.

Pushing for last PR claim is pro town

Scum have to kill a PR tonight or a PR is in elo.

Knowing that then last PR is in babysitter or follower

If Babysitter they’d be on Marci so then they’d die shooting Marci.
If Follower then they’d learn who scum is and become a de facto role cop.

If it is a follower scum have to have the follower die tonight or they lose due conf town problem.
But scum should already know who the PR is as I suspect I know who it is.

So it’s better for the Pr to claim in the open.

Worse case scenario miselim me PR dies
Miselim STD PR dies then elo in the same PR

Then Datisi elim should win the game

This I merged thoughts this should be not on Marci so they’d die to Conf creep

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Pretty much Babysitter can remove a potential scum
Follower can remove a potential scum.

Jailkeeper can hit StD again
Then babysitter/follower elsewhere

A kill confirms STD as town
If it’s babysitter it removes a PoE for scum so they lose
If it’s a follower then they either get a guilty or an inno.

Them claiming helps coordinate checks to avoid overlap

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Pretty much Babysitter can remove a potential scum
Follower can remove a potential scum.

Jailkeeper can hit StD again
Then babysitter/follower elsewhere

A kill confirms STD as town
If it’s babysitter it removes a PoE for scum so they lose
If it’s a follower then they either get a guilty or an inno.

Them claiming helps coordinate checks to avoid overlap

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They really want us to think Datisi is scum now.

I think it’s in StD/Norway

I know I am policy today despite towntelling

I am setting up for success that’s all

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Pretty much Babysitter can remove a potential scum
Follower can remove a potential scum.

Jailkeeper can hit StD again
Then babysitter/follower elsewhere

A kill confirms STD as town
If it’s babysitter it removes a PoE for scum so they lose
If it’s a follower then they either get a guilty or an inno.

Them claiming helps coordinate checks to avoid overlap

If you flip me remember this.

Marci should be on StD
Babysitter/Follower should be in the PoE

If a kill on Marci or anyone happens StD becomes conf town.

That should be night actions.

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Them claiming helps coordinate checks to avoid overlap

why dont i just say what im gonna be doing then? im confused

Because it’s not coordinating unless the other person sees what I do and when you’re shot we still gain another conf if you die no matter what

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Players

Bold = confirmed.
* denotes a prod.

• 1.
  innocentvillager
  
  2.
  Datisi
  
  3.
  GeorgeBailey*
  was eliminated day 1. He was a Mafia 1-shot Strongman.
  4.
  NorwegianboyEE
  
  5.
  Save The Dragons
  
  6.
  marcistar
  
  7.
  Dwlee99 who replaced Faker
  
  8.
  Alisae who replaced The M&Ms
  
  9.
  MathBlade who replaced unwnd

Last scum is in
IV,Datisi, Norway, StD, Dwlee, Alisae and me. (Although I am not)

Marci on StD
PR on one of that pool.

If it’s a follower then if a kill

STD + 1 conf/guilty + 1 PR claim = three known alignments tomorrow = gg

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Math ur still on ur date right

The dates over :/

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Pretty much Babysitter can remove a potential scum
Follower can remove a potential scum.

Jailkeeper can hit StD again
Then babysitter/follower elsewhere

A kill confirms STD as town
If it’s babysitter it removes a PoE for scum so they lose
If it’s a follower then they either get a guilty or an inno.

Them claiming helps coordinate checks to avoid overlap

If you flip me remember this.

Marci should be on StD
Babysitter/Follower should be in the PoE

If a kill on Marci or anyone happens StD becomes conf town.

That should be night actions.

So yeah if PR listens to this on my green flip and checks Datisi this should be game if they are a follower

Just let me quote this after hammering me. Marci on StD and Follower/Babysitter on Datisi should win the game

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when you give the town the strongman flip d1 and people still think ut scum lol

Because you didn’t lol.

Yes I do but if I am wrong you’re conf so lolz.