Micro 1028: True Love (Game over)

[Wisdom]

the fact that you guys had clear intentions of voting them the next day (not really, but)

I had clear intentions of voting them if bunny flipped red like I expected, for the reasons I pointed out
I had mentioned it early in the pt that NM and especially Hockey are mysteriously shying away from giving a read on bunny so it's no surprise redtea had the same position

That reminds me you asked what has been said in the pts, if you want I can paraphrase ours

[Wisdom]

VOTE: redtea

Explain your redtea vote.
You have zero mentions of redtea in your iso except to ask what is the connection between you and them
Voting them out of the gate in elo is just like in Hockey's case awful (Though Hockey's is worse exactly because Dunn's vote is present tbh)

[Wisdom]

The only thing that gives me pause on Dunn/Hockey is that I think they wait for cows to vote first instead of both instavoting redtea like that
Otherwise both look terrible and I want to lim them much more than redtea

[Not_Mafia]

Omg just elim Dunn

[Wisdom]

Spend a few seconds of effort to tell me who is Dunn's buddy and we might

[Wisdom]

I really hope it's not Dunn/NM because my brain has chosen to filter out that possibility

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.002
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
HockeyFan (0)	None
Not_Mafia (0)	None
cowsloveSushirolls (0)	None
Wisdom (1)	cowsloveSushirolls
redtea (2)	Dunnstral, HockeyFan
Dunnstral (0)	None
NOT VOTING: Not_Mafia, Wisdom, redtea
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2021-09-27 15:00:00)
Notes: pagetop count: lilith 5 | Wisdom 5 | redtea 4 | bnuuy 3 | cows 2 | Hockeyfan 2 | Aristeia 1

[cowsloveSushirolls]

especially when it's confirmed FMPOV that it contains scum

How is it confirmed
Why is not Hockey/Dunn
Sell me and you have my redtea vote

aside from the things i've mentioned and been keeping in mind from hockey, the conversation we had from 52 on

Cows's entrence is weird to me. His first 2 "game-solving" posts are just stating "XXX is not paired with Dunnstral". Like I still dont get it. Is dunnstral your scum buddy or smth?

i don't know what this post is trying to do if they're scumbuddies, because when the information we have is revealed (we're lover pairs) it borders on lover TMI that has done nothing to further his agenda and also a bit of projection

also hard to explain the "ughhhhhhhh we need a flip can we get dunn already" and completely forgetting about it while admitting you were probably just sheeping NM

you can make a case that hockey is trying to minimize attention on dunn with trivial accusations so that other people look bad on association, but i think that's already out of his scumrange

[Wisdom]

How do you feel about liming Dunn? How likely do you find Hockey/redtea?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: redtea

Explain your redtea vote.
You have zero mentions of redtea in your iso except to ask what is the connection between you and them
Voting them out of the gate in elo is just like in Hockey's case awful (Though Hockey's is worse exactly because Dunn's vote is present tbh)

I believe that your pair is the most likely to have mafia in it

Due to current vote situation that seems mostly locked in for me. It would have to be cows and hockey otherwise, and I don't believe that to be the case.

[Wisdom]

And who is redtea's buddy?
Say they flip red, who would you want to lim tomorrow?

[Wisdom]

Like this q goes to everyone
I am not dying unless you convince me of redtea/someone
Even if redtea is red which I really doubt I do not want to place my trust in this town to win 4p
I'd much much rather lim the other scum and decide for myself if I want to lim redtea in 4p

[Wisdom]

VOTE: dunn

[cowsloveSushirolls]

The only thing that gives me pause on Dunn/Hockey is that I think they wait for cows to vote first instead of both instavoting redtea like that

in PT i posted the intention to start out with a vote on your pair today after a bit of discussion on a post with the same information as 507

so they probably do wait and see if i vote there so they could (theoretically with NM?) quickhammer

[Dunnstral]

And who is redtea's buddy?
Say they flip red, who would you want to lim tomorrow?

Probably NM

[Wisdom]

Yeah that's what I thought
But then again it's kind of expected for you to vote our pair so they didn't necessarily need to wait

Another thought I just had was that maybe the quick vote is for the plurality rule. The mod breaks ties with who got the votes first, so if we ended the day with say their two votes on redtea and two on Dunn, redtea would go through
Town's unlikely to think of this but scum probably does while planning for options

pedit: @cows

[Wisdom]

^This could also be the case with a Dunn/NM team

With NM voting nothing but hammers Dunn could want to ensure he doesn't somehow get plurality'd out

[cowsloveSushirolls]

How do you feel about liming Dunn? How likely do you find Hockey/redtea?

i think the really easy decision is today where i lim your pair because everything else is reasonably ruled out

d3 is where i give a lot of pause, because i don't believe i've looked at the game nearly enough to make a decision there
but my vote would probably end up on NM/hockey with a focus on NM being scum

hockey/redtea isn't likely for the sole fact that i think hockey is town but i can look for any interactions later

pedit: in terms of voting, nm/dunn makes the most sense as a setup but i'm not sure how plurality plays into dunn/hockey if they're going to have to justify that vote for up to seven days if they want to keep it. it's locking themselves for a small chance of winning easily, right?

[Wisdom]

everything else is reasonably ruled out

uh no
Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

pedit: in terms of voting, nm/dunn makes the most sense as a setup but i'm not sure how plurality plays into dunn/hockey if they're going to have to justify that vote for up to seven days if they want to keep it. it's locking themselves for a small chance of winning easily, right?

I don't think it's hard to justify it
You saw how easily Dunn called poe
But tbh if we accept the plurality thing came up I'd too more easily see Dunn/NM utilizing it than Dunn/Hockey

[Wisdom]

Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

Like if I go solely with my reads I still think you and redtea are town and scum have to be in the other three

[redtea]

The only thing that gives me pause on Dunn/Hockey is that I think they wait for cows to vote first instead of both instavoting redtea like that
Otherwise both look terrible and I want to lim them much more than redtea

Personally I think one would show initiative and the other would wait.

[redtea]

i look at NM/redtea and i also see the interaction that is

"NM, you have a case? i need it so i know who to vote today"
"you aren't getting a case"

and i'm mostly confused if it's S/S

but also redtea going ahead and sheeping dunn immediately after they voted bnuuy doesn't make sense
ouch

I was giving dunn a chance at that time and also Id been sure one of ari/bnuuy was scum, like, the whole day

[redtea]

"ill engage more l8r" i said

but I will vote Dunn for now, in case someone convinced cows to change his mind before I have
VOTE: Dunnstral

If we make it to tomorrow Ill miss cows tho

[Dunnstral]

There's 6 votes in play, why would only 4 people be voting at deadline?

[Dunnstral]

I was giving dunn a chance at that time

Yuck