Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[Morning Tweet]

265 is the plot twist of the century LMAO WHAT. There's no way imaginality as scum predetermined that move, the positioning on Wisdom was so steadfast, and now they're helping Wisdom's reads. Nuts. Towny, I think. I think it's a misread of Ali though

amazingly I think Wisdom just turned the tables on Ali and imagine at the same time bottom of page 11 and came out on top. I think the swap from imagine was towny but wrong, Wisdom thinks it's wrong, insinuates it's scummy, and keeps the pressure on both Ali/imagine in the process. completely optimal positioning if he's scum! And I agree with him that imagine's wrong about Ali -- I just got a different conclusion

That was pretty cool though. Seems sort of convenient for scum!Wisdom but at the same time very convincing since I don't exactly disagree with what he's saying (besides the conclusions)

Imaginality's tone still feels manipulative to me

Read your ISO the past 2 pages, doll.

! are u referring to the same thing I just pointed out by chance? No, I don't think so actually.

I am definitely missing what is "Manipulative" about 262 according to imagine. I agree with Wisdom that it isn't. It reads to me like Ali is frustrated about being pushed and sort of blaming the pushers -- but im not sure how it's manipulative

Kind of townleaning imagine

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

WAIT WHAT

BINGLE SAID THIS ON DAY ONE?

[Morning Tweet]

Hang on hang on hang on

The first 8-ball is chosen during pre-game

What scumteam chooses Wisdom, aka the player who everyone in this game seems to unanimously agree is hardest to mislim, in the pregame?

Also, it's literally just Taly spearheading Wisdom and I think Taly is town anyway.

Who is the "sudden shift to Wisdom" referring to exactly?

@Bingle

[Morning Tweet]

House baby you're right forget what I said earlier

I thought Bingle was worried about Wisdom being an 8-ball DAY TWO

Which, I would understand. And I still understand that idea after reading up to this point.

Day one, though? Stopped me in my tracks when i hit that post

[Morning Tweet]

So... Yeah. I think it's entirely reasonable that there was scum somewhere in {Taly/Alisae/duck/imaginality} and that was why the sudden interest in Wisdom at "the butt-ass last minute".

[Morning Tweet]

Taly your posts are too long ill read the really long ones going forward but its unlikely to happen from me tonight actually im about caught up nvm

If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us

But you're probably just scum so

Scum self-hammers

Demoralized town self-votes.

You're better than this.

I kind of feel bad if Wisdom is scum cause Ali's play (page 18) is just too hard for scum to go against lol. I don't think scum!Wisdom can concede Ali town

I don't really know House's gameplay outside of when he got eaten alive by hyperposting in my game as scum

Current hero solve

Taly/imagines

You're not the hero we deserve.

You're the hero we don't need.

Mom's hero solve is so far away from my solve that it probably makes her town, but maybe one of my backups if I'm wrong so far

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This. Is. Not. A. Real. Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

(Obviously I think this is huge now, i originally thought Bingle said that post D2)

Granted yeah House/Ali is defending his own slot, but I still think it's good he saw that. I don't know if I had the big reaction to Bingle's post because House saw it first and i remembered addressing it, or if that post genuinely was so pinging. Either way i see the same thing as house

VOTE: Wisdom + bingle

and you can take that to the bank

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Bingle

I scumread that vote + reasoning even if Wisdom isn't scum

Was my catchup tainted by my interactions before reading thru or is it just reinforcement, I wonder?

[House]

If in doubt, hash it out.

No need to wonder.

[Morning Tweet]

Well now I don't know because as I read I was already sort of thinking "Ali/Taly town, watch out for Wisdom"

And as I read, sure enough, I thought the same things.

To summarize I think Taly/imagine/Ali-House/Mom were all towny to extents

I probably would have thought Hiraki was a bit scummy cause i disagree with a lot of their reads but yeah

And Bingle now I kind of need to hear more from wait you probably already did that then let me look

[Morning Tweet]

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

He's an nk target, not mislim bait.

Well, as of the last time we played together, anyway. It's been years.

My point is that there really isn’t mislim bait in this list, so I could easily see scum picking someone who would normally be hard to eliminate as the day 1 8-ball. And the way EOD happened, it looked like could well have been wisdom.

Okay well as I said I thought Mom/Ali at the very least made more sense

But even then -- who is the sudden force switching to Wisdom you're referring to?

Imagine who was pushing there all day? Ali who was the main wagon who was obviously gonna vote there? And then like... Taly. Taly is the only person who makes sense for you to be talking about, Taly actively wanted to get not!Ali elimmed

If you DONT think Imagine is scum, then it's by complete luck that scum gets Wisdom as the 8-ball, no? That's why your idea makes no sense to me. And if you do think Imagine is scum, then lol I guess but also that's not a sudden swap, that's all-day tunnel on the 8-ball which is going to be exceptionally obvious if the elim even goes through which like... why would scum!imagine even expect that to go through? And how could scum!imagine predict Wisdom does something they can scumread?

I'm so confused and basically House saying "There's no way that's a real thought process" comes to mind. It just seems like you wanted to vote Ali.

[Morning Tweet]

Now, to be completely fair -- I'm not sure if there was scum motivation to vote Ali or not. It seemed like the day was about to end. So maybe someone who is more familiar with D1 times could tell me if it seemed like Ali could die after that Bingle vote, or if it was total vanity by Bingle.

[Morning Tweet]

Oh I also think Wisdom's reaction to Ali's self vote and stuff is a misread possibly by scum who wants Ali dead

Kind of same with Wisdom's read on imagine, i don't agree at all

Does that make wisdom scum by default, i guess not though

[House]

I don't really know House's gameplay outside of when he got eaten alive by hyperposting in my game as scum

My play this game is not representative of my typical play as either alignment, as I'm sure other players can confirm.

I'm in a much better headspace than usual for reasons™.

[Wisdom]

Morning Tweet town
House a little townier than Ali though I'm not entirely convinced
Taly and duck remain town

VOTE: imaginality

[the worst]

But I also wonder why Bingle feels compelled to defend Wisdom.

i feel like bingle is
- missing a vibe read
- working on a consistent trajectory

he feels forced

[Wisdom]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

Ali is right that this justification for this vote is scummy tbh

[Morning Tweet]

Why're we voting Wisdom > Bingle out of curiosity

[Morning Tweet]

Cause I agree i think the Bignle vote is scummy even out of a Bingle/Wis scumteam context

[Wisdom]

Since an elimination was not reached in time, we can never have a solid idea of who was the D1 8ball, nor have clarity of Alisae's slot. It was highly likely that Alisae would be eliminated, so for Alisae to only go after another wagon at the opportunity to eliminate a scumread, I don't think self-voting is a negative.

To explain my pov better; Ali uses ate a lot. When I see him in hysterics doing antitown things my first thought immediately goes to him being scum trying to do crazy things to get townread for it.
As for the actual point, selfhammering when you think you might be 8ball and your lim gives scum a nk is certainly a negative. Not only that, but if you're 8ball scum really want to lim you so they'll be on the wagon or otherwise push for it to happen. You giving them one of the votes they need detracts from the information your lim is going to give.
The only question here is if Ali genuinely became that frustrated and disregarded all that or it was just scum theatrics

[Morning Tweet]

I agree 100% it's a completely nonsense move as town and actually hurts us even more than a town self hammer would usually

I do see a theoretical scenario Ali was faking the hammer part, it was in the back of my mind as i read that

Although Ali's initial reaction to like, just one person voting her ("Leave me alone so i can do what i can do") just seemed frustrated and not particularly theatric to me

i've kinda seen it both ways from Ali so I suppose you immediately assuming Ali was doing it for scum reasons seemed sort of hard to believe from me

Also while i was searching thru the iso i saw this

Btw y’all know Bingle is scum cuz guy has t even made an attempt to read me and guy knows my scumgame and knows this ain’t it
But apparently I’m scum KEKW

Bingle didn't really try to read Ali and i think the reasoning for his vote was indirect intentionally (about wisdom push being too quick) cause apparently he is good at reading Ali.

[Wisdom]

No elims are bad
Scum now have the info to change the 8ball into someone likely getting limd whereas it was a blind guess in pregame
Let's just flip Ali

Please tell me you're not still voting my slot on d2 after making this post on d1...

*goes to check*

Why would I not? Yes, your slot is way more likely to be 8ball now than it was D1, which is why I really wanted it gone D1. That does not change my scumread there.

[Wisdom]

If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us

But you're probably just scum so

Scum self-hammers

Demoralized town self-votes.

You're better than this.

Except it was not a hammer and Ive seen scum Ali doing crazy ate stuff before

[Wisdom]

I think I'd drop the Mom & Bingle down a tier, and color the rest light green.

Sell me Imaginality town

[Wisdom]

My point is that there really isn’t mislim bait in this list, so I could easily see scum picking someone who would normally be hard to eliminate as the day 1 8-ball. And the way EOD happened, it looked like could well have been wisdom.

So scum pick me as 8ball and don't care about me until eod?
You could argue Imaginality did but I don't see you pushing him

[Wisdom]

I'm not seeing what Wisdom is seeing about imaginality's push on him being scummy (page 10, he said it twice now). Maybe it's a little hyper-focused and tunnely, but I'm not sure what the obvious scum motivation is for that, reads a bit more like town that starts to conf bias no? "Manipulative" is strong

Its the tone. It felt more like he wanted to poison people's minds rather than read me.

[Wisdom]

265 is the plot twist of the century LMAO WHAT. There's no way imaginality as scum predetermined that move, the positioning on Wisdom was so steadfast, and now they're helping Wisdom's reads. Nuts. Towny, I think. I think it's a misread of Ali though

Disagree
Scum "de-tunnel" way more easily because they are moved by opportunism
Town with a steadfast scumread is not very likely to reconsider to the point they sheep their scumread