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[HoldenGolden]

atp i think i'm going to ignore the mollie wj conflict because i think they are t/t

I think it's a personality/playstyle clash paired with the fact that they are in a hood.

How is the first part TvT indicative though? What about the clash screams town vs town instead of one of them being scum and catching the other off guard?

in 161 i explained why i was voting koba which is essentially what they were asking. i found those things weird but not necessarily scummy and i wanted to make that clear in 162. i wasn't really voting for the sake of applying pressure

i can understand you disliking my wishiwashiness, but that's just me as a player as both alignments.

im not very confident on a lot of things especially early on which is in stark contrast to a player like koba.

ive played with gamma but not really with koba.

It's more that you are being wishy-washy AND setting up ways to get out of stuff. That's why it rubs me wrong.

Could you elaborate about your feelings about T3?

I may have used the wrong phrasing. Idon't necessarily think they are both town, just that the points made in the conflict are not AI.

Fair.

Can I trouble you to give your feelings on them besides the conflict. Reading your iso it seems you suspect Wright. Is that still true?

[Wright and Justice]

Lawyers vs Pirate

[Wright and Justice]

nevermind i got bored and read

you're right which is weird because reasons but I will continue to pressure the slot because of aforementioned PoE read.

[Wright and Justice]

^ -Justice for the gif

[Wright and Justice]

nevermind i got bored and read

you're right which is weird because reasons but I will continue to pressure the slot because of aforementioned PoE read.

@t3 re:alice

[Wright and Justice]

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

[pirate mollie]

I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tells

-Justice

Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/

His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.

[Wright and Justice]

okay mollie I'm past the point of letting you figure it out on your own, Koba's pronouns are they/them, it's in our signature
thanks flea for also trying to help

-Justice

[Wright and Justice]

You wont engage with us becsuse im smart enough as a player to dissect bad arguments and that kills your push against me if you acknowledge my points

Your summary of the hood is dishonestly framed - as you *yourself* avoided answering the question and never evem asked us back and just assumee we were scummy for not sharing back. This is deranged as hell for a towny. You dont interact with people like that. If you're town here - then fuckint stop ruining the game thread with this projection because its jot helpful
Yes i think theres a chance youre a townie just tossing the game over your own ego. Just own up to it if you are because its not fucking healthy for a solvestate.

If im scum here - how are you gonna find my partner? Js. You haven't even looked to solve outside of me

This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

You're constantly putting my slot on the defensive and try to avoid talking about anyone else but me except to defend IV from us. Why did IV get special treatment? Oh wait you also shaded T3 townreading us.

This is not the play of a townie solving - this is the play of a townie tunneling, or a scum trying to powerwolf against a strong player.

I came into the hood strong and swinging and you interpreted that somehow as scum because either a)youre a townie whos playstyle clashes with how i play or b) you are scum who panicked seeing me in your hood being very proactive.


Give reads on others - in rhe same depth you’re putting forth on me - or die.

I wont budge my vote on you until you sort in more depth outside of me.

Oh am I that player? No. I'm not. Trying to impose another player's meta on someone is a scum tactic btw

What is your expectation of town me to say? your push is a good show? You're hilarious. Nice try.

What lies? Your premise is entirely on a small interaction in the hood and my views on mech - you misread a post i made towards you then said accused me of not sharing my side (which i think you dont really care about). Your paranoia is overblown to me.

Also youve yet to make any solid reads outside my slot- why do you keep avoiding doing so?

Also thank you for giving thoughts on others but its still a lack of depth that is a stark contrast to how you treat our slot+ no scumreads outside us.
What would a ranked list of reads look like for you?
Also regarding alice - they made a joke about my mixup with the page count and you are interpreting that as a scumread - nice agenda pushing much huh?
Stop putting words into people's mouth

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

just ctrl-f'd "outside" to see how many times we have mentioned mollie to get them to talk about slots that aren't ours - its building up!
and if you go to these posts, mollie has not responded a single time


We also have asked mollie at least twice in hood to sort outside of us.

so what gives mollie why are you dodging trying to make any solid reads?

You outted your mid reads list - I now remember that - but you had not even another scumread there and it was super weak reasoning compared to what you were pushing at us. Quite a disproportionate difference - are you not reading the game or ?

[Wright and Justice]

I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tells

-Justice

Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/

His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.

VOTE: Mollie

[pirate mollie]

Votecount 1.3

Wright and Justice(2)

~ innocentvillager(39), piratemollie(

46

)

innocentvillager(2)

~ T3(22), HoldenGolden(31)

AliceK(1)

~ Wright and Justice(

124

)


Not Voting (4): Facebones(7), AliceK(2), Flea The Magician(8), Andresvmb(7)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-05 18:49:25)

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

Because I am one person not 2, and you have nearly triple the posts of anywhere else, here and in our hood.

I am struggling to keep up.

It is only within the past few hours that other people have been posting.

You could, you know, stop posting and actually give other people the chance to interact, instead of spamming the thread.

[Wright and Justice]

Mollie: *has literally only scumread my slot*

also mollie: lol ur so scummy for having alice as your only scumread!!


really makes you think

nice discog mollie

[Wright and Justice]

Votecount 1.3

Wright and Justice(2)

~ innocentvillager(39), piratemollie(

46

)

innocentvillager(2)

~ T3(22), HoldenGolden(31)

AliceK(1)

~ Wright and Justice(

124

)


Not Voting (4): Facebones(7), AliceK(2), Flea The Magician(8), Andresvmb(7)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-05 18:49:25)

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

Because I am one person not 2, and you have nearly triple the posts of anywhere else, here and in our hood.

I am struggling to keep up.

It is only within the past few hours that other people have been posting.

You could, you know, stop posting and actually give other people the chance to interact, instead of spamming the thread.

you're caught scum

you have so many lies you've caught yourself up in.

its over

it's you and IV - I didn't want to push IV in *case* they are the FN and since you outted it lets go ahead actually

VOTE: IV

see what you think.

e-2 motherfucker.

you 2 are a viable team here.

[HoldenGolden]

re pirate's 251 uh i think you again inferred some more stuff about my post than i was going for myself? i simply noted those two koba outburst posts as posts i probalby should've been getting a tonal read from but wasn't sure if it's actually town indicative or scum indicative.

can you explain what you found towny about it?

maybe you'll convince me

wrt the italicized and the bold:

are you asking me if I think

your

post is townie or W&J's?

I missed those two posts and I am taking a step back because I have grown to understand that neurodivergents have a completely different set of scumtells than neurotypicals. I misread Titus for years because of this, and it caused a lot of pain on both parts. We worked through it and now she is my favorite player and we send each other gifts.

Again, I am not abandoning my read. I am just shelving it for now.

The reason I am shelving it is because I want to think about it and I am waiting for other people to post.

I kind of want to vote Flea, 2 posts and 1 is a prod dodge. At this point I am wanting to lim one of the lurkers

.

I thought you loved me Dokba

(Above is just random post I found where priate give something else then you guys. I'm quoting mainly to show that more needs to be said then general blanket statements that discredits both of you)

Anyways since 2v1 is your issue private mollie, takk with me. What do you think of Flea's last posts? Anyone else sparks your timbers?

[Wright and Justice]

I push IV early -> mollie's push on me begins


i really fucking wonder if IV flips scum who the most likely suspect is here?

also I now have seen the hedgy posts from IV that others have pointed out.


fun fact: you should have let IV go down, IV dies d1 as scum *often*

so hf

[HoldenGolden]

There's issues with the flea read but mean.

Also im a lightweight but hold my liquor and weed quite well despite being 5ft 8 and only 135 lbs.

Twink non binary for the win

Pedit: hedge posts like the one I pointed out?

[Wright and Justice]

There's issues with the flea read but mean.

Also im a lightweight but hold my liquor and weed quite well despite being 5ft 8 and only 135 lbs.

Twink non binary for the win

Pedit: hedge posts like the one I pointed out?

yeah those ones
I was trying to like not push there because of my read it could have been a sloppy FN roleswap.


scum IV hard implies scum mollie everytime.

[HoldenGolden]

Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?

Pedit: I agree with the association.

[Wright and Justice]

Also I'm pushing in this direction because mollie has to give more in depth posts about IV rather than try to case me harder because everyone has heard the case on me from them thus far -> but ! -> despite that there are 2 other people voting IV instead.


So mollie, if you want to get people to unvote IV you should explain why IV is town

[pirate mollie]

okay mollie I'm past the point of letting you figure it out on your own, Koba's pronouns are they/them, it's in our signature
thanks flea for also trying to help

-Justice

When did that change?

I honestly don't read sigs. I used to have them turned off, I don't know if they rid of that feature or what.

Why didn't you correct me in the hood...ever? I haven't been back since my last post.

This is confusing because you know I am non-binary, that was part of A50 and mine's kerfuffle is when he misgendered Dwelee and then defended his misgendering.

I apologize Dkoba. You were he when I knew you prior and you haven't said a word. I will be respectful moving forward.

It is just bizarre that you have not brought this up, especially after the last game Gamma.

[AliceK]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

[Wright and Justice]

Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?

Pedit: I agree with the association.

Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.

I have a recent game where I was replaced in on limlo where I did read IV's posts to find associatives: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

[Wright and Justice]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

1) "could be scum" is a shit reason. You are accusing me that I would never do that as town(which is impossible as a) I did it in a previous iteration of this setup, b) I am town this game) so nice try alice
2) I self meta on the regular as town. Wanna get dunked on? I refuse to talk about self meta as *scum* because it makes it harder for me actually. A conclusion with no basis in fact.

[Wright and Justice]

Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?

Pedit: I agree with the association.

Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.

I have a recent game where I was replaced in on limlo where I did read IV's posts to find associatives: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

btw fun fact alice ^ this very game I linked where I replaced in - I self meta myself.

Have a guess what alignment I flipped.

[Wright and Justice]

I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)

Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.

Spoiler:

I have zero read on koba slot

pirate mollie like maybe slightly +town

maybe not

Holden

seems alright maybe a little performative

I’m not convinced that FN is like that essential this game to protect and withhold neighbor info and solvy stuff

but I’ll go along with whatever ppl think

hang in there gamma

yeah I just said it

seemed performative lool didn’t say it’s not in townrange but thanks for bringing up the meta nugget

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

note that bizarre/wrong doesn't mean i think you're scum necessarily just worth parking my vote here rn, also im more of a PoE type player anyway so not that many things scum ping me, etc etc

*Entire post reduces impact of the read

I kinda think u are town because you have been very straight-up with everything you say idk it’s a weak tonal read that I got in the last like 15 seconds.

I didn’t really have a read on u before that but just noting it here that I had this thought before I go

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

im not sure if there’s a tonal tell here and in which direction if so

In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:

IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.

this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.

Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: innocentvillager

IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you.

btw ^^ @mollie refute this