An outrageously US-centric plan.
VOTE: Bingle
In post 57, Wisdom wrote:but actually
VOTE: imaginality
He's a manipulative guy. I feel if he was jester he'd be posting something to gain attention already
In other news:In post 29, Wisdom wrote:Mystik why the vote change?
(@Mystik/anyone: what does 'lamisty' mean?)In post 67, Mystik Spiral wrote:anyone else get possible lamisty vibes from this?In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a thirdshotbecause plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
It's subtle but I just get the sense they hope to make it plausible they're jester so they can make people wary of voting them.
I can confirm I posted in a dead thread - Wisdom's not lying.In post 83, Wisdom wrote:There are more posts than you can seeIn post 79, Bingle wrote:Imagine doesn’t have any board posts between the two in this game. This post is not only a lie, but an easily seen through one.we should definitely eliminate wisdom at the start of D4.Wisdom wrote:Not just on 8ball and he actually posted elsewhere and not here, thats why I said it
Cake also feels not jestery enough with that post, but we'll see
How does that explain why you voted Gamma?In post 86, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?
I didn't make an issue of this? I asked why you hadn't answered, you said you had, I pointed out it wasn't an answer to the question Wisdom asked, which you have now answered.In post 91, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 89, imaginality wrote:How does that explain why you voted Gamma?In post 86, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?i explained why I unvoted Wisdom. both were rvs votes but i switched because i like Wisdom’s response.In post 90, imaginality wrote:Since Wisdom's comment was responding to SirCakez rather than Gamma it can't be that.
VOTE: imaginality
i really don’t like how you’re making such an issue of this, considering that neither Wisdom or Gamma did.
I haven't played with you before. What's anti-town about your usual playstyle?
Scum have a PT so it's less likely they wouldn't think of that explanation.In post 101, Bingle wrote:How so?In post 85, imaginality wrote:Bingle not considering the PT explanation for Wisdom's post adds to my belief Bingle isn't scum here.
I'm not jester, feel free to keep voting me.In post 151, Mystik Spiral wrote:convince me imaginality’s jester then and i’ll unvote him.In post 148, LicketyQuickety wrote:Sure, you want to find Scum but like, the game is 2 Scum, 1 Jester, and 5 Town.
If you get it wrong, then the game is over. Kinda makes me want to be careful.
Post #64 sounded like it had genuine intent behind it. Trying to sort, expressing willingness to prod at people to do so. So I don't think you're scum. And purely subjectively I personally doubt jester calls themselves jester in their first post.
I can see why Cakez/Mystik might think it's bad but not gonna put words in their mouths.In post 188, Wisdom wrote:Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?
It was less than an hour ago you posted that so hold your horses. If you're expecting me to consistently reply to stuff that quickly you're going to be disappointed. It's 10am here, if I didn't have today off work you'd be waiting even longer.In post 184, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality, are you going to respond to this?In post 173, Mystik Spiral wrote:you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.In post 155, imaginality wrote:Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.
it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?
I hear it's drawback-free in 8-ball tooIn post 195, Bingle wrote:It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.
Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) so I believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous.In post 191, Mystik Spiral wrote:so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.In post 96, imaginality wrote:Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer
My theory was you were hoping to lure some dumb Jester into self-voting themselves to E-1 expecting you to hammer so you could then not hammer them.In post 196, Bingle wrote:Nah. It's a Jester Nightless policy. I had it the first time I played Jester Nightless. I will have it the next time I play Jester Nightless. It just makes sense.In post 189, imaginality wrote:Also I have a theory about why Bingle has that policy. Not gonna say that either though.
How should my answer to your question have been different because you unvoted me versus if you still had your vote on me?In post 218, Mystik Spiral wrote:town!imaginality would take into account that i unvoted him but he ignores it.
What conclusion did you come to after your serious consideration of this?In post 176, Mystik Spiral wrote:UNVOTE:In post 162, SirCakez wrote:this post is another reason to vote Bingle - I don't think this vote comes from town BingleIn post 133, Bingle wrote:In the game Shirley, You Jest (a variant of Jester Nightless with moar Jester) Wisdom won as the third Jester limmed by playing as town as possible. It is not only a good theoretical strategy, it's a proven one I have first hand experience with. Me being uber town is not a reason to say I'm not Jest.In post 51, Bingle wrote:Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.
OTOH:
VOTE: LQ
Jester hunting in lieu of scumhunting is a pretty good reason for me to think you're maf.
i will seriously consider this.
#111 "weird TR but I'll take it" doesn't sound jestery.In post 229, Mystik Spiral wrote:could we actually be getting somewhere then? Am I wrong about you? you posts confuse me so much. okay, what makes you think Meg is scum here as opposed to town or jester?In post 228, imaginality wrote:I agree with you on Gamma/LQ's slot being town btw
I see some scum players might do that to try to keep some jester wifom alive.In post 238, Mystik Spiral wrote:could beIn post 237, Wisdom wrote:198 sounds more town than anything tbh
Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it
It sounds more like bored town
Hardpushing wtf?In post 255, Mystik Spiral wrote:
i’m getting the impression that both you and imaginality are hardpushing this scumread on Clemency and completely disregarding Wisdom’s take on it. Why are neither of you taking that into account? if you townread Wisdom that strongly, which is what you’re claiming, then why aren’t you even reconsidering that read?
I never called your answer to Wisdom itself disingenuous. Just your continual harassment of me thereafter for not entirely conceding what was very clearly a semantic disagreement.In post 253, Mystik Spiral wrote:
I still dislike you repeatedly calling my response to Wisdom’s question “disingenuous”, because it don’t think town continues to double down on something like that after my reaction to that accusation was very obviously not so.
yet another thing that makes me think that Bingle may be onto something with the buddying thing is it was my pivot from Wisdom to Gamma - lq’s predecessor that caused you to push me. i found that weird because if it didn’t concern Wisdom, why should it have bothered you that much?
In post 214, imaginality wrote:Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) soIn post 191, Mystik Spiral wrote:so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.In post 96, imaginality wrote:Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answerI believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous.
Fair enough. I'll leave it there in that front. Others can make of it what they will.In post 259, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm not getting any Scum vibes (TM) from Mystic. I think we just leave them alone at this point
"I like you" seems scummy to me. An attempt to appease someone who's voting him. And I think not likely to come from jesterIn post 242, Clemency wrote:hey sorry ive been busy and exhausted and stuffIn post 225, imaginality wrote:@Clemency any reads so far?
Which player(s) do you think seem scummiest so far (don't worry about whether they're scum or jester, just who seems scummiest on the face of it?
wisdom is town
i like you
mystik is cool too
lq slot is weird
bingle
i guess i dont like meg either
SnapIn post 270, LicketyQuickety wrote:Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.
In post 282, Mystik Spiral wrote: oh and why is imaginality town?
In post 288, Mystik Spiral wrote: why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.
Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.
Yes, like the analysis Mystik included for Mystik's changed read on Wisdom, or the quotes and analysis for Mystik's read on Gamma.In post 289, Mystik Spiral wrote:if it isn’t already clear, i want actual quotes and analysis of those quotes to back up your reads. why are you not doing that?
Oops sorry I promised I wasn't gonna get sucked back into that whole thing.
Lol. Fantastic!In post 293, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 292, imaginality wrote:not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.Spoiler:
Sorry tried to find the lamest one I could.
I usually go more for deadpan irony than outright mocking. Honestly though I've spent most of this game day explaining my point to Mystik and I'm tired of it.In post 320, Wisdom wrote:Disagree, looks like town to me nowIn post 294, imaginality wrote:But seriously, Mystik is reaching obvjester territory.
Also you mocking people's responses is new to me. Is that how you are as town?
Mystik is voting me but thinks I'm jester?In post 357, Mystik Spiral wrote:VOTE: imaginality
as Bingle says he’s “obvscumming”which would make total sense to do if he’s actually jester.i could see LQ as tstbs here and that also would make sense with the jester hunting. the more slots you call out as jester, the greater the odds of achieving that wincon.
Wisdom, I still don't get why you see this as indicative of Clem being town rather than scum wanting to keep jester wifom alive.In post 198, Clemency wrote:or maybe that's what i want you to thinkIn post 170, Wisdom wrote:yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent
~(v-v)~
I can confirm I'm not jester.In post 366, LicketyQuickety wrote:It's tempting to vote image here just because I TR Wisdom and Clem might be Jester. Not sensing any Jester vibes from Image myself.
That's not the point though.In post 361, Wisdom wrote:There are plenty of scummers who act like this as town and Im sure you know it
Wisdom is right, I make good points as scum or town.In post 373, Wisdom wrote:this is dumb. Do you want me to quote imaginality scum games where he posts like this?In post 369, LicketyQuickety wrote:I don't really want to Lim someone who makes posts like this.
In post 374, Wisdom wrote:Mystik's motivation is solving and it's transparent
Ah yes, clearly this is a transparent genuine attempt to sort me.In post 299, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality are you scum or just being intentionally dumb? no offense but i really can’t tell anymore but i think LQ avoiding my questions is seriously scummy, which is why i switched my vote.
@Cakez if you're around: Probably good to share your other reason with us soon in case you end up today's lim.In post 165, SirCakez wrote:I do [have another reason for scum reading Bingle] but it's secret for now
I think this is a good call. I get the sense Meg was happy for anyone to be limmed. The only thing pointing against that was when Meg said a late change in wagon is usually to scum's advantage but that could have been an attempt to paint Cakez wagoners as scummy knowing Cakez would flip town.In post 439, Wisdom wrote:In post 425, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Cakez
LQ do you want to just hammer Cakez, it's better than doubling our odds of getting jesters by keeping 2 people at the same countI feel like this train of thought carries a little TMI, as if Meg knows those two are not scum and thus are likely to be jesterIn post 428, MegAzumarill wrote:Because if we keep clem/cakez at 3 to 3 either can self vote next to dl to win as jest
VOTE: meg
So you weren't concerned either was jester?In post 607, LicketyQuickety wrote:Okay, but the votes were tied? I was under the assumption a Lim wouldn't go through unless I voted Cakes. Otherwise, I would have just let it rand.In post 604, Wisdom wrote:Plurality?In post 602, LicketyQuickety wrote:If I don't vote Cakes there, there's no guarantee that a Lim even goes through.
In post 517, LicketyQuickety wrote:How do you know I am Mafia?In post 515, Mystik Spiral wrote:wutIn post 512, LicketyQuickety wrote:That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.In post 510, Mystik Spiral wrote:i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.
if you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.
I think LQ may have misread this post as Bingle saying he wouldn'tIn post 534, Bingle wrote:In post 531, Wisdom wrote:LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for herI wouldn'tespecially if we were buddies, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
In post 639, Bingle wrote:imagine: look at these two sentences sequentially and realize you're telling me that LQ is referencing that post in both of them.In post 635, LicketyQuickety wrote:Keep telling yourself that. I already quoted where you said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them. Yet somehow you still maintain your stupid strategy of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer. Are you just eager to Lim people or what?
In post 543, LicketyQuickety wrote:You said the opposite just before that though.In post 539, Bingle wrote:I'm saying that theoretical scum me would hammer Meg regardless of whether Meg was my partner or not.
In post 547, Bingle wrote:I said I would follow my policy [of quickhammering anyone at E1] especially if Meg and I were S/S. But keep pretending to read my posts, it makes the scumclaims so much harder to see. /sIn post 543, LicketyQuickety wrote:You said the opposite just before that though.
In post 548, LicketyQuickety wrote:Wut?In post 534, Bingle wrote:I wouldn't especially if we were buddies, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
Why did you leave me off your reads? Hoping to drag me down with you as your buddy?In post 703, MegAzumarill wrote:All players that aren't mafia shouldn't be eliminated.
Further nuance is frankly unnecessary
Clemency and Bingle are low in reads, you are probably my biggest TR and lq is >rand town. Wisdom could honestly go either way.
Dislike bingle interacting with LQ
Also town getting onto someone quickly would be important since if all three town are voting the same person then scum plus jester can't stop that scum getting limmed under the plurality rules. Whereas if scum and jester get on someone first then they can.In post 742, Bingle wrote:Could be Wis, but I'm like 99% on MS town.In post 685, LicketyQuickety wrote:Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?
Not sure on Meg, she definitely fits as LQ partner and imagine partner.
MS picks the elim tomorrow and everyone sheeps no questions asked. It's the only way you deal with town not being a true majority.