Micro 1041: Geriatric F11 [Postgame]

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.06

Dwlee99 (2):

Sleepless Assassin, Three

mc esther (2):

Dwlee99, Roadkill

Three (2):

Umlaut, mc esther

Andante (1):

joqiza

Looker (1):

Andante

Not Voting (1):

Looker

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joqiza (1)

[Looker]

Might need some confirmation from people that they're still in since the signups took a long time? Wh4t hasn't logged in since December 30.

/in to replace wh4t if necessary

FWIW

Pedit: "Here now" is because I keep replacing in in spurts of temporary boredom

I volunteered to replace Wh4t before the game even started. I thought you guys were joking, but, if not, the argument is invalid.

And, for clarity, I don't see how both of the following statements would be perceived to come from the same player:

• "Lurking gets me killed - I want to be killed, so I will lurk" as in the scum game with mc esther
  
• "Lurking gets me killed - I don't want to be killed, so I will lurk" as in this game with a hypothetical scum!Looker

Also, I literally just linked town!Looker games in Post 158. You not reading them kind of proves my point, that there's a point where mafia gets to feel like homework. That's NAI - it just happens.

[mc esther]

Why is your current stance on me "idk lol vaguely weird"?

so like, right now, it's not; it's "probably mafia". but at the time i made that comment: i didnt (still dont) recall many of your posts, i think joqiza's/umlaut's observations on you arent damingly alignment-indicative, are, yeah, weird; and at the time, i felt your comment about looker's replacement habits was not necessarily alignment-indicative but was very odd, it's only your subsequent explanation of the comment that has me going "i dont think this stacks up!".

looker, i know that you volunteered to replace pregame, but three didnt know that at the time he made his comment, and the reason for which he made that comment (which, you must agree, was a little odd!) is relevant to puzzling out his alignment. and, yes, lurking gets you killed in some gamestates but not others, there's no contradiction here.

[Looker]

That's only if you eat a sandwich

[Looker]

Ignore that

[Looker]

VOTE: andante

e-1.

I've put people at L–1 on page one as town, I would do it again, and I think forming big wagons out of the gate is a good thing. I don't find it suspicious at all. It's a slightly audacious move which I think is if anything a

very very weak

town tell since drawing attention is not a natural thing for scum to do so early.

I don't trust it. VOTE: Roadkill

[mc esther]

i was gonna wait for more posts to come in just so i could cover multiple in one, but im heading to bed now so:

did you quote umlaut because you think he's a potential roadkill buddy, or for, some other reason?

[Umlaut]

You don't trust what exactly? The vote? What does "trusting a vote" mean?

[Andante]

VOTE: mc esther
I'll go here then if no one wants to vote looker

[mc esther]

i was right about three though. like, literally, the sole basis for your read was that three was "obviously" joking. he, by his own admission, wasnt.

[Umlaut]

More votes/opinions on Three plz

VOTE: mc esther
I'll go here then if no one wants to vote looker

Weird thing to say right after I say I'm willing to compromise on Looker.

[mc esther]

the only thing that makes me antsy about three is. okay. he says he actually meant "nobody townreads wh4t" when he said "looker intentionally tries to replace into scumslots". surely maf dont do this, surely maf just takes the out that andante offered ("it's a joke") rather than trying to retrofit such a far-removed meaning here, why do maf post this in a million years, right?

but i dont like the other side of this either. "why would maf ever try to backtrack so implausibly? clearly he's town and just mangled his meaning"; okay, i usually love this sort of reasoning. but i expect town to be more up-front in this scenario? i often mangle my own posts, ive done it this game. surely town here says "yeah sorry lol that post just wasnt an accurate representation of my thoughts", rather than acting like im being unreasonable for expecting words to mean things.

i think in this dichotomy, i lean maf over town, it's the "acting like im being unreasonable for expecting words to mean things" (#172, for reference) part that really starts to ping me, but fuck the whole exchange is so weird.

[Sleepless Assassin]

More votes/opinions on Three plz

VOTE: mc esther
I'll go here then if no one wants to vote looker

Weird thing to say right after I say I'm willing to compromise on Looker.

My opinion is decent compromise. I like that Three is voting Dwelee with me. I didn't like a few things that were unexplained early on, but when I asked, Three's explanation was fine. I dunno. I just don't see a lot. If I have to compromise, I'd probably rather do Mc Esther. But I'd vote Three over a bunch of people not being voted.

[catboi]

Prodding Dwlee99.

[Dwlee99]

Drafted this yesterday but was gonna add more but didn't get to it

To respond to 119: I'd like to townread the effort, too. It's strange to me that your response to my case is simply that you "Don't understand the vote." If you are town I'd expect you to be trying to parse my motivations and your response is as if I placed down a naked vote without further clarification. What is your read on my motivations? And do you have a response to the specific points I brought up about her?

When I saw this

Andante your 83 is ridiculously uncharitable.

Do you really not understand why I was skeptical of your opening post? It's not something I've ever actually seen and asking you to give examples is not something crazy.

You can't even provide any examples. It would take one post to say "yeah here you go." In theory you shouldn't have to reread your own games in order to find one, that's what I'd have to do to verify it, but you'd just remember and be like... "Yeah, here you go. Let's move on."

FWIW I was prepared to accept something like "Yeah idk I can't think of any examples, guess I just spoke heat of the moment." But this is... A lot

It reminded me of this time I said something similar and people were tunneling me for it and I was town. Ironically, I can't remember which game it was, but the vibes are very similar to that time. People were like "Dwlee give an example" and I was pretty sure a time had happened but couldn't find it. I'd expect scum to be

more

conciliatory and give the "can't think of nvm" so I actually think the thing you're pointing out is town-indicative, not scum-indicative.

Your other comments on my posts are so aggressive and... Unpleasant, some not even making any reference to what my alignment would be just attacking the way I post. Nowhere in my suspicion of you did I ever address you or treat you like that and given that we know each other and have played with each other before I want to believe it's just because I caught you and not because you actually think any of this stuff?

This I'm gonna ignore because this is between y'all.

Looking at Andante's 83 which you called uncharitable:

wh4t gave "reads" there is NOTHING of that sort in joqiza's ISO, joqiza probably maf

When I read this I initially disagreed but at the time of the post, there are implications of reads but not explicit ones if that makes sense. That might be what Andante is talking about here.

[Andante]

When I read this I initially disagreed but at the time of the post, there are implications of reads but not explicit ones if that makes sense. That might be what Andante is talking about here.

reads need reasonings... "reads" are just "A town, b maf"

[Umlaut]

We have less than 36 hours. Let's consolidate.

Of the players with votes currently on them, I'm never voting Esther or Andante and not likely to vote Dwlee. That leaves Three or Looker.

[Andante]

I'm only voting Looker or Esther here

[mc esther]

i can do three or looker. idk about dwlee, i'll need to read again.

[mc esther]

yeah, im not voting dwlee; i probably would if both three and looker seemed impossible, but i think either could easily have support. i heavily prefer three to looker, but either is fine. i dont think andante is a realistic elimination at all, joqiza should move his vote.

[Looker]

did you quote umlaut because you think he's a potential roadkill buddy, or for, some other reason?

You don't trust what exactly? The vote? What does "trusting a vote" mean?

• What would be the other reason? I disagree with his stance on Roadkill putting Andante at e-1
  
• You set "trusting a vote" up yourself and then questioned it. I didn't say that.

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

[Looker]

Is this a sandwich thread?

[Looker]

Ignore that.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I won't vote Looker. I want Dwelee and can compromise on Mc Esther. I'm not against voting Three but would rather Dwelee or Mc Esther.

[joqiza]

I'm sorry for my recent inattention to this game. I'm here now, catching up and will make a decision shortly.