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I never finished the series. I stopped after like book five or six, which should tell you somethingIn post 11, Three wrote:VOTE: STD
Is Wheel of Time actually any good? The series on Amazon looks very...not good, which isn't a good sign for the LOTR adaptation they're also doing. I'm assuming it's a "just read the books" kind of situation because a quick Google search shows that the fanbase is really passionate.
Of course the fact that the series has that many books should also tell you something
The Amazon LOTR adaptation can get hecked also, the LOTR trilogy is transcendent and everything after that is just chasing smoke-
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This is weird enough for an early townleanIn post 13, Esooa wrote:Azurmil is my first town read, I think.-
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Are you shading your own vote? LolIn post 17, Val89 wrote:-
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I was gonna unvote but now I am not doing itIn post 38, Prism wrote:Since you seem legitimately annoyed by it, meh
UNVOTE:
Pressure is good and such but I really don't mind playing slow-
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Got it.
I've had my morning run and the game is slow, so here are some hot takes.
My RVS on STD is no longer RVS, it's now an AVS (actual vote, seriously)
Based on the page 3 back and forth, there's an outside chance STD and Prism are teamed, though it's probably (maybe?) early in the game for theatrics
And I don't think there's any universe where Esooa and Meg are scum together, though they could be individually
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Nah, it's the indignance and upset over being a leading wagon on day oneIn post 82, Val89 wrote:
I'm not seeing this one. Is this based on the bugspray vote?In post 81, Pavowski wrote:My RVS on STD is no longer RVS, it's now an AVS (actual vote, seriously)-
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Not what I'm saying. Of course town could get upset by that. It's the feel of it that pinged me.In post 86, Save The Dragons wrote:because town couldn't get upset at such a thing-
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I felt that in my damn soulIn post 95, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm a 1 shot RB
i'm also living in a covid world that sucks so maybe i'm not exactly rosy all the time-
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You have my interest ratman, let's see where this goes. VOTE: Three
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I didn't particularly think it was serious, but it did put me at e-2In post 102, Save The Dragons wrote:my vote on pavowski wasn't very serious but i don't expect people to get that
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Hard agree, I want more from Esooa as well but she's hardly the only lurky slotIn post 116, Val89 wrote:VOTE: Bugspray
Yeah, this feels off. How many times has Dwlee actively contributed, by that definition? In fact, what about me? It looks like one of those metrics thats makes sense on the surface, but it's obviously a bunch of crap after a moments reflection.
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Actually what I want to ask is, are you asking Val or asking the rest of us?Pavowski wrote:Are you asking or telling-
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Sigh UNVOTE:
I would really like to scumread bugspray but like
I just ... can't picture scum drawing attention to themselves with this weirdness
So if scum in this game would do some conventionally scummy things and, y'know, identify yourselves to the group, that would be much appreciated at this pointIn post 113, bugspray wrote:clarification: This is intent to yeet the player slot esooa. I am trying to create a.LETHAL WAGON-
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I don't think I've played with spray before.In post 166, Prism wrote:
??? This is not difficult to fake at all, just bugspray going aggressive.In post 164, Pavowski wrote:Sigh UNVOTE:
I would really like to scumread bugspray but like
I just ... can't picture scum drawing attention to themselves with this weirdness
In post 113, bugspray wrote:clarification: This is intent to yeet the player slot esooa. I am trying to create a.LETHAL WAGON
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I take it you know Spray better than I, so, cool.In post 168, Prism wrote:That turned out to be one of like three issues and I'm gonna vote you so F
I'm not saying it's a townlock or anything and my day 1 reads are consistently trash, I am perfectly happy to be proven an idiot on that take-
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I didn't think I was expressing a new thought with that. I could've sworn I saw somebody else in the thread make basically the exact same point about bugspray. But upon review I either missed it or imagined it, so while I was gonna call you out for selectively scumreading me over that other person, I will now accept your scumread with whatever dignity I can pretend to have.In post 171, Prism wrote:Third, did not like the unvote on bugspray. I don't think it's anything specific to bugspray, if anything I'm floored by the level of proactivity bugspray has shown because this was not at all what I expected. I'm saying that scum have an incentive to be a bit performative and aggressive and it'd surprise me if you hadn't seen that more broadly.
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I'd forgotten what it's like to play with Dwlee, thanks for bringing it backIn post 173, Dwlee99 wrote:Vote val win game yw-
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You efforted pretty good in that one newbie game you replaced into (with sushi and kenny, whose lim made you sad). Also how dare you suggest the memes don't merit effortIn post 176, Dwlee99 wrote:
Have I really not efforted with you in a game. I will eventually, but this is meme warsIn post 175, Pavowski wrote:
I'd forgotten what it's like to play with Dwlee, thanks for bringing it backIn post 173, Dwlee99 wrote:Vote val win game yw-
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Found what I was talking about. I shouldn't play while I'm on gummies:Pavowski wrote:
I didn't think I was expressing a new thought with that. I could've sworn I saw somebody else in the thread make basically the exact same point about bugspray. But upon review I either missed it or imagined it, so while I was gonna call you out for selectively scumreading me over that other person, I will now accept your scumread with whatever dignity I can pretend to have.In post 171, Prism wrote:Third, did not like the unvote on bugspray. I don't think it's anything specific to bugspray, if anything I'm floored by the level of proactivity bugspray has shown because this was not at all what I expected. I'm saying that scum have an incentive to be a bit performative and aggressive and it'd surprise me if you hadn't seen that more broadly.
Also I was never voting bugspray.
I am not sure how I feel about it coming from Val but I knew I didn't imagine it. So I'm back on being slightly salty for Prism selectively scumreading me over flagging the whole "Lethal Wagon" thingIn post 159, Val89 wrote:
I don't think three is all that wolfy, to borrow your term, but I do think the timing was notable. The whole "LETHAL WAGON" business was premature, and to my mind, obviously over the top in such a way that I can't help but wonder if it was actually calculated to draw attention; which isn't something I would usually expect from scum, but I can think of a small number of scenarios scum might chose to do so - one of which is if a wagon is about to take off on a powerfull PR, and a three wagon looked like it was just about to start rolling. I also considered the possibility it was aimed at distracting from the discussion around STD, but the Three votes were the immeadtely procceding posts.In post 140, Esooa wrote:The comment about three is interesting/maybe weird though as it implies three is wolfy or at least notable even though I don't think Val said anything about them
I do find myself musing today, however, that such a thing is less likey in a micro game and I might have been barking up the wrong tree with respect to motivation, but it still feelsoffto me.
I don't mean to dwell on this but nobody is posting
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Still like your Three vote? I'm reviewing with a clearer head and I like you for town soIn post 190, Save The Dragons wrote:i don't have a life ama-
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Also dammit the African swallow is traveling west, a;ljsf;laIn post 201, Pavowski wrote:Ok cool
If an African swallow travels east from Key West and a European swallow travels east from Seattle, where will they meet?
Also please enjoy this pagetop, I usually yeet them for myself
LUKE HOW DARE-
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That's a good question that like, I could answer better in another state, but for now I kinda wanna say that one of these two voting me is probably scum
Unless what Prism pointed out in my posts is in fact as bad as Prism thinks it is, which I'm not sure it is
Which would give me Esooa....
Actually I'm reaching the point where I'm not useful to think about this stuff
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Just in case what? In case the day ends early, which apparently you're ready to do?In post 218, Val89 wrote:The rest of my reads, just in case.-
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It's not that I'm afraid of a particular person doing it, but I've lolhammered as scum and maybe somebody else is wanting to juice the game just like you are.In post 221, Val89 wrote:Who do you think is at risk of lolhammering you here; or this more of a "I need some time to discuss a possible fakeclaim with my scum buddies" thing?
I'm here, but not unvoting. This game needs a kick in the ass one way or another.
I think it's mad sketchy to put me at e-1 without Esooa or Meg giving some reasoning for their votes regardless of your own reasons for scumreading me.-
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Thanks Meg. I have a couple chores I need to see to and I'll make some posts (maybe my last in this game, whee)
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Okay, first things first, I owe a post on Esooa from last night.
I think the bulk of their ISO is null (not surprising for d1) but then they make some posts about Three which sorta waffle back and forth but seem to land on the scummy side for that slot (correct me if I'm wrong). This is probably the closest thing to an AI post they make, but it depends on Three's alignment. I could see this as scum theatre, since there's never a vote there (when I believe STD and I were voting there at the time, which would've put Three at an uncomfortable, if not dire, e-2).
I took Esooa's naked vote on me as particularly scummy. While I could see scum!Prism casing me and casting a vote to see if a wagon would take off, I think that's equally likely an approach from town!Prism trying to sort me. The naked vote, though, flagged me big time: "Hey, there's a decent post against Pav, let me get some of that."
But then, see, Esooa unvotes me and turns to Dwlee when I make a little noise about my speedy ascent to e-1. I don't think scum hops off my wagon so quickly. This is actually pushing Esooa into town territory for me. I'll grant it's easy enough to fake this, and try to win some cred here, but it would have been very easy for scum!Esooa to just leave the vote there, post nothing for a bit, see what happens, and then move the vote later if in fact the wagon dissolved. If I did get lolhammered, there'd be the "well, I placed a 2nd vote on him and then you guys quick ran him up, that's not my fault."
But I think I'm too deep with that. More likely, Esooa is town legit trying to sort me, and maybe she thinks (as I do) that there was/is scum on my wagon.-
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Give me a call, I'm ready to believe you.In post 237, Dwlee99 wrote:
It's more exciting this wayIn post 235, Val89 wrote:Why wait to be asked?-
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I mean, this is just making it hard for me to take your vote on me seriously. If you're town, what's the harm in giving me a little time to defend myself / get some more thoughts out of me? If I'm scum, and I lie, and you still push my lim through, you have the added value of seeing how the plist reacts to my claim.In post 228, Val89 wrote:Well, it's a bit moot now, but no, I wouldn't unvote as a 'gesture of goodwill'. I had a game previously where I correctly deduced someone was scrambling for more time in order to discuss things in the scum PT before they were forced to claim, so I know it happens, and I'm scumreading you.
At least I'm pretty sure this spews Meg as not being the person you are potentially waiting for if you do flip red, so there is that.
Scum often feel more compelled to commit to their reads rather than entertain doubt, and this smacks of that to me.-
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It's cool that you made a correct read in that situation in that game, but you are wrong this time. Nothing to say about the rest of my post, huh?In post 247, Val89 wrote:
Pressure came off this one far too quick, folks.In post 243, Pavowski wrote:
I mean, this is just making it hard for me to take your vote on me seriously.In post 228, Val89 wrote:Well, it's a bit moot now, but no, I wouldn't unvote as a 'gesture of goodwill'. I had a game previously where, so I know it happens, and I'm scumreading you.I correctly deduced someone was scrambling for more time in order to discuss things in the scum PT before they were forced to claim
At least I'm pretty sure this spews Meg as not being the person you are potentially waiting for if you do flip red, so there is that.If I'm scum, and I lie, and you still push my lim through, you have the added value of seeing how the plist reacts to my claim.If you're town, what's the harm in giving me a little time to defend myself / get some more thoughts out of me?
Scum often feel more compelled to commit to their reads rather than entertain doubt, and this smacks of that to me.
Day 1 is less than half over and you were ready to ram through my elimination. Like, bro. Surely, even if you're 100% convinced I'm scum, you want to hear from the other posters some more, right? Maybe give you a chance to locate my partner and lock this whole thing up day 1 so you can brag about it afterward?
C'mon man
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This is like ... man I dunno what even to say hereIn post 248, Val89 wrote:To be more explicit, there was and still is absolutely nothing stopping you from defending yourself anyway, and you should have been doing so. Even if you think I am scum, you know I'm not going to be hammering you because I've just laid the E-1 vote.
Scum doesn't want to lolhammer. Scum wants to be an earlier vote on the wagon. The best thing you could hope for as scum is to get early position on a wagon and then have impatient/impulsive town hammer it. Placing a vote then obstinately leaving it there, thereby leaving me floating there to get hammered,especially at this point in the day, is distinctly scummy and you're talking about "well I couldn't hammer from that position so what are you even worried about"-
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"Happy" is a weird way to think about it because I still feel mostly like I'm fumbling in the dark (as I always do d1). By "a few hours ago" I'm assuming you mean before the wagon on me got rolling this morning. But no, there are some slots not contributing as much as I'd like and I agree with what you said about the game needing a kick in the ass.In post 252, Val89 wrote:Let me ask you this - if you are town, were you happy with the state of the game a few hours ago?
In that regard, if a wagon on me juices the game a little bit, I guess I'm for it? It at least gave us something to talk about and after how dead the thread was yesterday, that was welcome at least.
The doubt shouldn't come from me. I could say anything as scum to save my skin. It should come from the makeup and the circumstances of the wagon you were all gung-ho to ram through. But -- as you pointed out -- the pressure is off, at least for now, so this point is now moot.What do you think should have given me doubt between putting you at E-1 and now, exactly?
I would still like to know who you think my partner is, since you're so confident I'm scum myself.-
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STD and Bugspray, then. Fair enough.In post 254, Val89 wrote:I don't see any reason you couldn't be scum with any of the slots of which I am suspicious.
I think I'm done with engaging you for now; for one thing we're just going in a circle at this point. I don't want to clutter the thread overmuch and I already did too much of that last night with STD; I don't want people tuning out at post after post from us. I've seen you tunnel on town as town before so I'm willing to entertain that as a possibility here, but I think you are confbiasing yourself if so.
Either way, you've managed to get me emotional and that is not a space I like to play from, so I'm leaving the thread to some other voices for a bit.-
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This was a good part of my TR on STD.In post 264, MegAzumarill wrote:I think it makes sense with STD's claim.
Don't want to openly speculate further though
Granted it's not a *great* reason; if town-sided PRs are limited, it stands to reason scum-sided PRs are as well
But at least his claim was more-or-less in line with mine, so...
Nor should it, but at least I'm easy to verify. Tonight I'll either be dead or blocked or I'll have a result on somebody that we can evaluate.Prism wrote: Role claim doesn't swing it for me in and of itself.-
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These posts are 6 mins apart and I am getting whiplash
But yet again I find myself thinking "why does scum!bugspray do weird shit like this" and in a more existential sense "why does anybody do anything like this"
I need caffeine and this is a week where I'm trying to cut back on the caffeine so life is just pain wall to wall-
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I don't know exactly what you're saying here but neither of the 2 claimed PRs could be called confirmed at this point.In post 461, Esooa wrote:is it reasonable to say no wolves have come out and said "look at these people pushing the PR's who are now confirmed town, that's scummy, they're wolfy" is becuase wolves did that-
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I have almost no read on Meg right now. They accused me of coasting at one point but I think the shoe is solidly on the other foot.In post 465, Prism wrote:I'll put a vote on a real wagon tomorrow I guess
Do not get lack of appetite for Meg but o k a y
Time is a little short to explore a new wagon but what the hell.
VOTE: Meg
I'm ready to go back to Val at the drop of a hat, tho (get it?)