I've given my reasons why I think bugspray is flipping red, strongly enough that I want to see that flip today knowing I've giving you ammo to push my own mislim if I am wrong, given your stated justification for scum reading me.
In post 94, Three wrote:STD's reactions to pressure feel so OTT that I'm not sure it's even real.
this i believe to be an exaggeration, patently false
In post 94, Three wrote:Like he's clearly flailing here, but it comes off like he's trying to signal a townie flail by being indignant, and voting emotionally and outside of his scum reads (or what I assume were scum reads on Prism and Bugspray).
you make an assumption i have scumreads on prism and bugspray and that nothing is fluid
In post 94, Three wrote:He's also doing what he can to keep the spotlight on him,
I don't think this is true
In post 94, Three wrote:but isn't doing much with the attention, mainly just complaining about getting voted instead of doing much to solve. I feel pretty confident in saying that it's a manufactured flail, like a refuge in audacity type of situation. My vote stays.
you don't reassess here you just keep your vote on me
In post 272, Three wrote:This doesn't really answer what I asked. I had to look up what sandbagging was since I didn't really get what you meant by it in this context, but if you're claiming I'm trying to dupe you into lowering your resistance and expectations, I don't really see it.
I meant it as in you keep attacking me weighing me down keep attaching yourself to me so i can't fly free in the sky.
In post 272, Three wrote:I'm also not sure what you're referring to when you say I'm accusing you of things that aren't true. Are you talking about how I scum read you? Or the specific things I said about how I perceived your actions?
see above
In post 272, Three wrote:It just sounds like you're scum reading me for not being pleasant.
this also feels untrue you're trying to characterize the argument as invalid
In post 272, Three wrote:And what makes you think my attitude doesn't come from town?
I think my biggest problem with you is that you're not really trying to solve outside of me at this point, but i think the way you've presented your argument is full of florrid language designed to pump it up and make it look more true than it actually is.
In post 267, bugspray wrote:I agree with this readlist mostly aside from my inclusion which is reasonable because I haven't posted in a while. Early on I thought it could be prism+esooa because esooa's second post just sort of brigading in with prism which to me made no sense especially because of how easy it is to explain/rationalize Azu's one "weird" post that prism was attacking as coming from town. VOTE: prism
It might be valuable information that I am familiar with Esooa from Happy Face Mafia, and theseposts of hers spurred me to invite her to other games, though not this one.
It is unclear why I am the vote if Esooa is the one with the weird tag-along.
In post 265, Prism wrote:Very short on time the next two days but will carve out time to track through Val/Pav dialogue. Role claim doesn't swing it for me in and of itself.
hope you don't hurt your ass on that fence
Perhaps you missed 171. I will do you a favor and link it.
I think Val gets the better of the argument with Pav, I also thought 238 was a bit overwrought. 243 is like, ~fine~ from Pav's POV but Val already explained why he's skeptical of the goodwill gestures.
249 rang kind of town but the "If I'm scum who's my partner?" is the line that sends me back to the war years.
I think I feel slightly better about Pavowski and don't townread Val despite sympathizing with his argument a bit more.
We've got two PR claims already and I'd probably just dart throw vote Dwlee whose 234 is less direct, and more showy, than I expect from them.
Val's point on bugspray I think is wrong and their question of Meg totally compatible.
bugspray's 145 hypothesizes that Meg wanted to put Dragons at E-1, then saw it was hammer and decided not to. This is a judgement on Meg's 66
bugspray misses that 71 adds that Meg saw "no value" in E-1, and only catches it the second time around with 186. bugspray never defended 71.
Val is correct that there is an incompatibility in Meg's description of their E-1 claims, but there's no issue with bugspray's progression other than them missing 71 imo.
In post 216, Val89 wrote:if they [Prism] were taking issue with Pav's defense of bugspray in 164 (it wasn't actually an unvote of bugspray, but three, but I can see Prism's intended meaning) because they consider the perfomative and agressive proactivity to be scum indicative in the case of bugspray
It's important to note that I don't think it is scum-indicative of bugspray to be aggressive and proactive.
Pav just said that he didn't see a reason for scum (in general) to be that way. It is one of the basics of the game and there is plenty of reason to be that way of scum, mainly because it is expected of town.
Pav being a PR makes a decent amount of sense because FmPoV I saw Pav as focusing very heavily on things like defending themselves, "who's my partner" kinda thing, and had very few reads. One of their only contributions in the first series of posts was saying there was a wolf on their two person wagon and having little reasons for that being the case or who it was on it, and etc.
The play makes some more sense as a PR, but someone who when pressured couldn't really give much (as I saw it) in terms of content and focused instead on self defense was wolfy/fine with a day 1 elim where I have no sure scum reads. So in that sense I think Pav's worry about his position in the thread makes more sense than as VT and I think it's something that can often come from town, but it still just leaves a bad taste in my mouth
I don't think Bugspray has done a ton this game, but I don't feel bad about anything they've done. Their reasoning for the heavy skepticism towards myself and Prism made sense, I could see pretty easily where their Three is town comment came from (which could just be me projecting, as nothing was really given for why), the turn around on Meg seemed towny.
Dwlee is someone I want dead currently mostly because I again don't have much in terms of confident wolf reads and they're just.... barely playing the game. I disagree with their conclusions more than other players, and although the thoughts are fine I just generally don't like them and they're kinda sparse.
I think Three showed a sort of care of how they're perceived in thread, but it wasn't "I'm being scum read and that worries me," it was much more intense and personal, in the way of "people are wrong about me and what I'm saying and my intentions and they need to stop," which comes a lot more from strong and true (aka villager) convictions. That's shown in their posting before Bugspray called them town and again since then.
Val I think has been posting good thoughts, thinking about a lot of things, and giving lots of reasons. I may need to look at them more closely, because I remembered earlier there's a lot more scum archetypes on MS along the lines of.. sort of wall posting content to give lots of thoughts and such, but generally done much better than on other sites I've played on. Maybe Val could fit that I guess, and would be a blindspot for me this game as I've never really thought about them as scum, but yeah, I just like them a lot I guess. They also very strongly give me the impression of someone who has convictions and plays to them in a very strict manor, or, they seem to be playing very logically and trying to hold themselves and everyone to that in a way that just comes across to me as genuine.
Prism I'm unsure on because I do think a lot of their posting can more easily fit the archetype of scum who can post a lot of thoughts that are reasonable or good thoughtsbecause I don't feel the same strength of conviction behind certain things as someone like Val, but I'm not really concerned about them because I don't really care to kill them day 1 and I recall them being very very obvious town in later days in terms of just effort to drive out wolves and can just measure them by that later on if need be.
I need to reread Meg before giving thoughts I'm okay with there as I may want to kill them day but I'm not sure on their alignment at all and I think they're someone I can be a decent amount more sure on with proper reading
It's fine, I've sort of accepted that I basically will never get to play scum on this site before I retire lmao, which is a shame since I'm a scum specialist
That's my only completed scumgame in 4+ years. I also got 3 half-Day 1s in last year.
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
