Micro 1041: Geriatric F11 [Postgame]

[Looker]

O hi, hello. I guess I'm here now lol.

Give me some hours; I'll be back later on.

[Looker]

VOTE: Looker Looker repped into a scum slot

I'm almost entirely certain Looker intentionally tries to rep into scum slots, so I'm not against a policy lim here if we near EoD and can't reach a consensus. However I feel confident that I'm currently voting scum and would like to stay on Dwlee.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Looker Looker repped into a scum slot

OMG why are you the enemy in every game

Sorry, still reading but I couldn't resist

[Looker]

Might need some confirmation from people that they're still in since the signups took a long time? Wh4t hasn't logged in since December 30.

/in to replace wh4t if necessary

FWIW

Pedit: "Here now" is because I keep replacing in in spurts of temporary boredom

[Looker]

Looker and mc are both literally maf.
Joqiza, idk what you're going on about, but I'm not reading any of it. You are just deadset on tunneling me for whatever reason, and it's actually just annoying. You are taking every little thing I say, and making a huge deal of it.
135 was a joke,

I tunneled Looker a game they replaced into scum, and tunneled upon the second they replaced in

. They were scared of me. thus it was a joke, but Looker is literally maf here. Town looker does stuff. maf looker goes "uhh I'll do stuff later" and freezes when caught. 2nd post was a genuine sr yes

> I feel like I'm trying to collect scraps of posts to build a sense of each slot
you sure that's how you feel? it sure seems like you're just deadset im maf, and refuse to actually look at anyone else. the team is mc and looker, why not go look there?

• First of all, I don't think Andante's meta arguments hold up
  
• I replaced into
  Open 836 and won. The reason I didn't say much was because it was already at the end of the game - this is the beginning of the game. Also, I get busy regardless of whatever slot I'm in.
  • Andante is actually the one who doesn't post much as scum. This is what she did in Micro 1039. Lurking as scum is not my meta, it's hers - I just get antsy and replace into games when I'm bored only to find better stuff to do momentarily (mafia starts to become like homework at that point).
  • I also literally just did the same thing (as town) in Mini 2256 - scum (Andante was scum this game) used my being busy against me and killed me within ~24 hours of me replacing in.
• I literally have no reason to fear Andante - I've beat her every time I've played her, and, if she's scum, I'm going to do it again. If anything, I see this as a potential scum attempt to get me out before I can even do anything. I
  will
  start doing more, though - I owe it to catboi and whoever else is on this player list.

Pairing me with anybody using 3 posts is odd to me.

two other people didnt get the joke ("joke"?); claiming it was so obvious that i could only take it seriously as maf is, no, fuck off lol (and you obviously dont even believe that, given that umlaut asked similar questions over it). i also dont get the "responding to a bad push" thing, when three literally isnt pushing looker, and i explicitly asked why he isn't pushing looker.

the thing that really sucks is, i actually agree with andante on looker's replacement behaviour as maf (another 12 hours with no comment from him, yeah lol, it's not exactly looking better is it?). im really not happy about voting with her but.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: looker

three isnt off the hook though, i want clarification on the joke thing and answers if it wasnt. also looking forward to his next vote.

the thing that really sucks is, i actually agree with andante on looker's replacement behaviour as maf (another 12 hours with no comment from him, yeah lol, it's not exactly looking better is it?). im really not happy about voting with her but.

I don't recall your having a problem voting with Andante. In fact weren't you already voting with her on Joq? Where is this coming from?

im just lowkey mad at her take on me

This sequence makes me think it's mc esther and Andante, especially if there are only two scum. They realized I wasn't posting and generated an ad hoc justification for a wagon vs a replacement. mc esther and I were just scum together in Open 837 where the strategy was to draw the elimination, so saying my behavior here is scummy based on meta is suspicious to me - why would the behavior I exhibited in a scum game with her where I was trying to be killed be the same in a game where my hypothetical objective would be to survive? It doesn't make sense that she would logically think this as town - it comes off as opportunistic.

[Looker]

Sorry. Still haven't given much thought to this, but I

am

present lol

[Looker]

VOTE: Looker Looker repped into a scum slot

I'm almost entirely certain Looker intentionally tries to rep into scum slots, so I'm not against a policy lim here if we near EoD and can't reach a consensus. However I feel confident that I'm currently voting scum and would like to stay on Dwlee.

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Also

Dear Three,

It's not personal. You're really smart but you're also really town, so I have to disagree with/undermine/gaslight/ignore you to get you to cease existing in this inconsequential game. I'm sure we'd be real good friends IRL...at least until you got to know me

I've killed Three twice as scum - in Open 383 (which is what the above is referring to), and Mini 2246 - for context. I feel this is why he said what he said.

That was Jacket that antagonized you, though, not me, so let's just be friends

[Looker]

Might need some confirmation from people that they're still in since the signups took a long time? Wh4t hasn't logged in since December 30.

/in to replace wh4t if necessary

FWIW

Pedit: "Here now" is because I keep replacing in in spurts of temporary boredom

I volunteered to replace Wh4t before the game even started. I thought you guys were joking, but, if not, the argument is invalid.

And, for clarity, I don't see how both of the following statements would be perceived to come from the same player:

• "Lurking gets me killed - I want to be killed, so I will lurk" as in the scum game with mc esther
  
• "Lurking gets me killed - I don't want to be killed, so I will lurk" as in this game with a hypothetical scum!Looker

Also, I literally just linked town!Looker games in Post 158. You not reading them kind of proves my point, that there's a point where mafia gets to feel like homework. That's NAI - it just happens.

[Looker]

That's only if you eat a sandwich

[Looker]

Ignore that

[Looker]

VOTE: andante

e-1.

I've put people at L–1 on page one as town, I would do it again, and I think forming big wagons out of the gate is a good thing. I don't find it suspicious at all. It's a slightly audacious move which I think is if anything a

very very weak

town tell since drawing attention is not a natural thing for scum to do so early.

I don't trust it. VOTE: Roadkill

[Looker]

did you quote umlaut because you think he's a potential roadkill buddy, or for, some other reason?

You don't trust what exactly? The vote? What does "trusting a vote" mean?

• What would be the other reason? I disagree with his stance on Roadkill putting Andante at e-1
  
• You set "trusting a vote" up yourself and then questioned it. I didn't say that.

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

[Looker]

Is this a sandwich thread?

[Looker]

Ignore that.

[Looker]

Why are my suggestions not viable

[Looker]

Are there any cases other than thinly veiled survivalism

[Looker]

I've read after my replacement - I figured if anything happened before that someone would reference it, so that part was skimmed. Is there anything worth seeing?

[Looker]

"Say it with your chest" Mafia as a game is survivalistic, but I appreciate your retort and additional information. Didn't think it was catty, tho.

Andante's quiet like the last game I was in where she was scum. Three always dies. And mc esther I can't remember by phone the eagerness or lack thereof with which she jumped on Three's replacement theory to policy lim me. The fact that there's intent to policy lim me when I've hyperlinked my town utility in previous games should be alarming.

[Looker]

I'd much rather say who I suspect and then get NK'd for WIFOM.

[Looker]

That is like a textbook "it's nbd to me if you all suck" post that scum

think

they should make to look like unworried town when actual town would in fact be worried

pedit

someone unvote esther now pls

But Three does that every game. It's his hallmark.

Also, I keep confusing the post cap with the deadline and mini-shitting myself.

[Looker]

Dear Three,

It's not personal. You're really smart but you're also really town, so I have to disagree with/undermine/gaslight/ignore you to get you to cease existing in this inconsequential game. I'm sure we'd be real good friends IRL...at least until you got to know me

I've killed Three twice as scum - in Open 383 (which is what the above is referring to), and Mini 2246 - for context. I feel this is why he said what he said.

That was Jacket that antagonized you, though, not me, so let's just be friends

Suggestions for cop-checks incoming...

[Looker]

Wait...so my suggestions are viable after all?

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Let's go with VOTE: Sleepless!
And I never got an answer for this

Why are my suggestions not viable

Would it even be beneficial for scum to try to run up post cap counts by asking questions that have already been answered?

p-edit: It makes him seem angry to me if he was serious.

[Looker]

Sleepless tried to rush the deadline and put esther at e-1 without saying

[Looker]

Spoiler: I mean

[Looker]

I think I've already resigned myself to it, though, because I'm burning through my reserve posts

p-edit: wtf, that's another player willing to go for my 'non-viable' (non-groupthink) suggestions

p-p-edit: ...

[Looker]

VOTE: dwlee99

[Looker]

Three always dies.

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2/10
However, I did get to thinking, and I think this makes the most sense VOTE: Sleepless

What makes you feel this way?

---

I'm thinking Umlaut or Roadkill -

@Dwlee99

, what do you think?

• Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
  
• Roadkill pushed the Cop and Andante (lack of OMGUS is interesting), and wasn't on any wagon at EOD

Sleepless did ride Dwlee through the day, though

[Looker]

<resist urge to just sheep andante>

Looker, didn't you want me dead yesterday? What changed overnight? You're talking to me like you townread me

I don't. You're the counterwagon to a town miselim and I want to know your thoughts (which, I think this post was meant to dodge...?).

Spoiler:

My bad on Three, folks, I feel like I was the one who really championed that wagon.

I'm thinking Umlaut or Roadkill -

@Dwlee99

, what do you think?

• Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
  
• Roadkill pushed the Cop and Andante (lack of OMGUS is interesting), and wasn't on any wagon at EOD

Sleepless did ride Dwlee through the day, though

First of all, I did

what?

I pushed the cop? Are you talking about my vote for her on page one? Because the last time I gave any kind of read on Esther it was

Of the players with votes currently on them, I'm never voting Esther or Andante and not likely to vote Dwlee.

which is not very much of a push.

Secondly, even if this were true, how would the fact that the person I pushed later turned out to be a Cop be relevant to my alignment? I checked the setup and there's no Mafia Night 0 Rolecop.

Fair, but what are the alternative justifications for suspicion? You also defended Roadkill putting Andante at e-1 on the very first page. I'm working with what I've got here. I'm asking for more, but the primary response seems to be defensiveness at this point.

[Looker]

What are your fucking thoughts

[Looker]

So, scum!Dwlee is taking the lazy approach of lurking to avoid associatives. If the goal is to get them elim'd without revealing any connections, which player on their wagon is bussing them to hurry and get it over with?

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Andante can you explain why you think three is townie?

I think Joqiza is town for 124. It sits in my brain very well and it's just... well-reasoned.

I am pretty sure Andante is town here. I know there are doubters and maybe I'm just pocketed for her defense of my slot but I have no intention of voting her today.

Spoiler:

I think Umlaut is town.

This isn't ordered btw.

Mc esther is cleared unless someone counter claims so we should make sure not to lim until everyone has a chance to check in but.

Between...

Wh4t*
Three
Sleepless Assassin
Roadkill

I don't think three/SA push me together like that if they're partners, so one of

Wh4t/Three
Wh4t/SA
Wh4t/Roadkill
Three/Roadkill
SA/Roadkill

is my solve.

I'd prefer to vote one of Wh4t or roadkill cause they exist in more worlds.

<resist urge to just sheep andante>

I feel like this is Dwlee trying to either a)Pocket Andante, or b)Make Andante seem like Dwlee's partner after Dwlee is eliminated

What are your fucking thoughts

I still think it's two of you/roadkill/sleepless.

Interesting. So rather than wagon with me on either of the two I've already agreed to vote, you'd just vote me How is that effective when, according to you, there are two in that pool?

Spoiler:

I don't trust it. VOTE: Roadkill

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Wait...so my suggestions are viable after all?

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Let's go with VOTE: Sleepless!

So, scum!Dwlee is taking the lazy approach of lurking to avoid associatives. If the goal is to get them elim'd without revealing any connections, which player on their wagon is bussing them to hurry and get it over with?

This is incredibly disingenuous when my activity across the entire site was zero
VOTE: Looker
Think town!you would bother to check that

Sorry, I couldn't find the sandwich thread. Also, that's a lie - a simple search of your post history shows you posting around the site.

[Looker]

If you're scum you're scum associatives or not. Everyone please click on that link and check when Looker is saying I was lurking starting at 4PM EST yesterday. It's literally just a lie that I was posting elsewhere while not here yesterday.

You're trying to narrow the scope, but no - you've lurked, whether active or otherwise, since D2 started. You've posted way more elsewhere on the site, and it's more than likely because you're trying to not give away too much here.

[Looker]

Also

Spoiler:

What are your fucking thoughts

I still think it's two of you/roadkill/sleepless.

Interesting. So rather than wagon with me on either of the two I've already agreed to vote, you'd just vote me

How is that effective when, according to you, there are two in that pool?

Spoiler:

I don't trust it. VOTE: Roadkill

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Wait...so my suggestions are viable after all?

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Let's go with VOTE: Sleepless!

[Looker]

Ok, cool, so is it painfully obvious that scumteam is Dwlee/Andante?

p-edit: Guess not

I feel like this is Dwlee trying to either a)Pocket Andante, or b)Make Andante seem like Dwlee's partner after Dwlee is eliminated

Uhhh I didn't interpret it that way at all, Dwlee and I have been in a lot of games in the past, they're a familiar face, plus I feel like I've been pretty towny before Dwlee said that, so it's not odd to go "yeah. sheeping my tr!"

This is odd confidence in someone they were just voting. Was the initial plan to distance before you found better opportunities?

Looker, I SR you, have like all of the game too, this? feels like you're just trying to push Dwlee to push Dwlee, like, "omg Dwlee talked to andante!! must be maf!!"

Gross misinterpretation of my concerns. Regardless of whatever "friendship" you guys hold with each other, the bold confidence in each other's slots is unjustified unless there's mechanical basis. There are no masons, so it's suspect.

I don't think maf in you/sleepless/roadkill is a bad thought, like, you're pushing dwlee more than sleepless or roadkill. I Started the day voting sleepless, and your instant reaction was "why sleepless?" so that implies sleepless is either your partner or you tr them. And here you're all "ather than wagon with me on either of the two I've already agreed to vote, you'd just vote me" like, did you agree to vote sleepless?? you seemed to ignore anything said about sleepless.


Tbh, I think the team is just looker/Sleepless

First sentence is a lie - I hadn't pushed anyone; I wasn't even voting. If you recall, I sussed Umlaut and Roadkill, and asked for Dwlee's opinion, which they avoided giving. Second sentence is a stretch - I asked what made you feel the way you felt, which is what happens in all mafia games and most conversations: "How did you come to that conclusion?" And third sentence is a joke - I quoted where I voted for Sleepless and there was nothing to ignore; you said you would "elaborate later" but never did. Also, you're positing that the entirety of Three's wagon was town and that the scum team corralled on the counterwagon instead?

This is incredibly disingenuous when my activity across the entire site was zero
VOTE: Looker
Think town!you would bother to check that

Why wouldn't scum worry about being called out for being wrong?

They could be, but scum are also much less likely to care if their arguments are actually correct if they just want a Muslim.

What part of my argument was incorrect

In my first few games with Looker I constantly thought they were scum and it turned out they were town so I'm relying on others a bit more for that because I acknowledge I'm bad at sorting them. I've never seen Looker's scum game to my knowledge.

How are you determining whether someone's town or scum? Vibes? Are you using VCA or anything?

[Looker]

So you...just don't like my personality...

[Looker]

"Follow me." "I have no case." Does that not disturb you? And, again, Dwlee is active elsewhere on the site but not here.

I think I want to try mandatory alt mafia. Because most of these eliminations are based on cliques and "friendships" and not logic.

[Looker]

Also,

Force-replacing joqiza. Pausing the deadline at 3 days until a replacement is found.

"Say it with your chest!"

[Looker]

I mean look, I'm not motivated to do a whole lot when no one else is doing anything. if people wanna yeet Dwlee, I'll go for it. not like dwlee is even doing much... oh wait.. no one is doing much. There's only so much I can do here, I'm voting Looker or Sleepless here and that's that.

"No one's doing anything, so I will not discuss further." You feel I've done less than anybody?

By the way...

This is really the only reason Andante is voting me - it has very little to do with the game

• I literally have no reason to fear Andante - I've beat her every time I've played her, and, if she's scum, I'm going to do it again.
  If anything, I see this as a potential scum attempt to get me out before I can even do anything. I
  will
  start doing more, though - I owe it to catboi and whoever else is on this player list.

VOTE: Looker

Going here for now. More work needed, I'll do it tomorrow.

I don't expect this to happen as you've been absent a lot, so I'm going to ask some questions. Namely "why?" and "who?", as in "who are you listening to?" because voting me makes no sense.

Spoiler:

Some explanation on the unviability reads:

3:

At first I thought there was a chance Andante might be hellbussing, but at this point it just seems as if it's gone too far for that to be true. She hasn't dropped suspicion or pressure on him at all this game, d1 nor d2. There isn't even much in the way of potential theater, it's just straight Andante trying to noose Looker. Not teamed.

4:

Similar case to the above team, just a lot of SA trying to noose Dwlee without much in the way of the theater/performativity you'd expect from an SvS. 202 feels too persistent to me to be what you'd say about your (somewhat endangered) mafia partner. It's

possible

that SA simply calculated the Dwlee wagon wouldn't go through... but... nah.

5:

I've spoken about this already a bit. I can't mark this as completely unviable since they've defended each other throughout the game. However, my suspicion is that 74 doesn't come from one mafia about their partner. Andante hadn't

posted anything

except her very first intro post, which I'd been critiquing heavily before that--I think scum is a bit too self-conscious to just gas up their partner's one post like that. 289 also reads unpartnered.

~

I haven't gotten around to taking a close read through teams

1

,

2

, and

6

yet.

My individual social reads are prolly something like:
Umlaut/Roadkill (town)
Andante (? town.. maybe?)
SA (townread on me earns him a brownie point)
Dwlee/Looker (still need to dig into the Dwlee activity stuff).

The Dwlee/Looker activity argument may actually let me mark team 1 as unviable / determine at least one is town.

Will resume this after I watch some anime.

• Are you saying I'm only partnered with people I've voted?
  
• Is Sleepless Assassin saying they have a townread on you really the only reason you're not voting for them?
  
• Re:Andante/Dwlee - Are you saying that they can't be scum together because they defended each other in thread?

Also, are you actually assessing the arguments people used to suspect each other or using this as an excuse to avoid reading a picking a side?

[Looker]

And, for the record, joquiza just came out of his coma and put me at e-1

[Looker]

Jesus, we're not even reading the game at this point

[Looker]

Looker: Andante is voting me for irrelevant reasons
Looker: none of yall are reading

Uhhh I've laid out exactly why you're maf earlier... there's other posts too, but this is a page top, easiest to find.

You saidyou wanted a sleepless vote day1, or something along those lines. I vote, and your tone changes to as if you TR Sleepless, "oh what no??? can not vote Sleepless here!!!"

And you start talking about voting Umlaut/Roadkill, so when I confronted you about this, yeah no... I don't have a lot of time right now, but I'm efinitely clearing up that my SR on you is legitimately game related. @others, just look at Looker's ISO and how Sleepless gets talked about, it makes the most sense for maf to try and partner up here, there's 0 reason to bus right now. I think looker is trying to defend partner Sleepless...

Like your whole "I wanted Sleepless" ummm you basically quoted my vote here on d2 and went "Why?"

Three always dies.

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2/10
However, I did get to thinking, and I think this makes the most sense VOTE: Sleepless

What makes you feel this way?

---

I'm thinking Umlaut or Roadkill -

@Dwlee99

, what do you think?

• Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
  
• Roadkill pushed the Cop and Andante (lack of OMGUS is interesting), and wasn't on any wagon at EOD

Sleepless did ride Dwlee through the day, though

• If anyone is reading, they'll see that I did not TR Sleepless and that "oh what no??? can not vote Sleepless here!!!" is an exaggerative spin
  
• Also, "yeah no" and "I don't have a lot of time right now" are excuses and filler. If Sleepless Assassin was my partner and there's 0 reason to bus, why would I have included him in my pool at all as opposed to anyone else?

Spoiler: Andante's "progression" on why Looker is scum

VOTE: Looker Looker repped into a scum slot

and mc esther is the partner. gg. Looker + mc

From looker, stuff like "Sorry, still reading but I couldn't resist" there's only 100 posts to read. Looker's initial reaction to repping in was "ah crap. scum. ok I'll do something later" like, that's exactly how I interpretted "O hi, hello. I guess I'm here now lol.

Give me some hours; I'll be back later on."

So I'm definitely sold on Looker maf.


mc esther is trying to push this whole "omg my partner is getting pushed for a bad reason" thing. Three doesn't genuinely believe it, it's a joke. and it's not really that big of a thing as you're making it out to me.


mc + Looker team, get 1 today other tomorrow

Looker and mc are both literally maf.
Joqiza, idk what you're going on about, but I'm not reading any of it. You are just deadset on tunneling me for whatever reason, and it's actually just annoying. You are taking every little thing I say, and making a huge deal of it.
135 was a joke, I tunneled Looker a game they replaced into scum, and tunneled upon the second they replaced in. They were scared of me. thus it was a joke, but Looker is literally maf here. Town looker does stuff. maf looker goes "uhh I'll do stuff later" and freezes when caught. 2nd post was a genuine sr yes

> I feel like I'm trying to collect scraps of posts to build a sense of each slot
you sure that's how you feel? it sure seems like you're just deadset im maf, and refuse to actually look at anyone else. the team is mc and looker, why not go look there?

3 days. can yall vote Looker now please?

3/10 I'll elaborate later, Sleepless is definitely maf here though

see, Looker, your comment
> Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
- Why would maf be have a presence/strong role against 2 town back to back? wouldn't maf be more likely to let town lead the bad decisions, then if town was actually correct, spin it in a way that makes them look towniest? So later, they can look back and go "see I had this case against maf!!"

I think Umlaut would be town here, I really do. I TR initiative more than sitting back and coasting.

Roadkill.. could be a better choice than umlaut? tbh Roadkill had a strong start then seemed to just dissapear, so idk much on roadkill. Starting strong then dissapearing also feels maf indicative


See Sleepless never really did too much, other than just go "I'm here at eod to hammer whatever" tried to stay out of the spotlight

I feel like this is Dwlee trying to either a)Pocket Andante, or b)Make Andante seem like Dwlee's partner after Dwlee is eliminated

Uhhh I didn't interpret it that way at all, Dwlee and I have been in a lot of games in the past, they're a familiar face, plus I feel like I've been pretty towny before Dwlee said that, so it's not odd to go "yeah. sheeping my tr!"

Looker, I SR you, have like all of the game too, this? feels like you're just trying to push Dwlee to push Dwlee, like, "omg Dwlee talked to andante!! must be maf!!"

I don't think maf in you/sleepless/roadkill is a bad thought, like, you're pushing dwlee more than sleepless or roadkill. I Started the day voting sleepless, and your instant reaction was "why sleepless?" so that implies sleepless is either your partner or you tr them. And here you're all "ather than wagon with me on either of the two I've already agreed to vote, you'd just vote me" like, did you agree to vote sleepless?? you seemed to ignore anything said about sleepless.


Tbh, I think the team is just looker/Sleepless

VOTE: Looker

I want Looker/Sleepless today

Sup. Sorry guys. Back for real this time.

I need to review the past couple pages in more depth but as of right now, I'm still at Umlaut/Roadkill town. In the remaining matrix of possible teams I don't think Sleepless/Dwlee are partnered. Andante/Looker and Andante/Dwlee, I also think, are unlikely to ever be partnered. There may be further teams I can cross off my list, but need to sit down with the game and eval.

^ I will expand on the above thoughts this evening when I finally have some time set aside for this. (I promise.)

Also on my list is to review the Dwlee activity stuff (I... don't really think much of activity tells in general, more curious if there was a deliberate lie or omission somewhere in the previous conversation.) And I'd like to actually meta-dive Andante, to see if I can reach a point of confidence that she's town. I'm still undecided on her... partially because, I'm just having trouble "finding" her as town, and for reasons I can't go into I'm not sure it should be so difficult for me. But, if her posting does really put her out of scumrange, this game gets a bit easier for me.

You want to meta dive me for a geriatric game? when I normally post a lot more? Looker and Sleepless are maf.

I mean look, I'm not motivated to do a whole lot when no one else is doing anything. if people wanna yeet Dwlee, I'll go for it. not like dwlee is even doing much... oh wait.. no one is doing much. There's only so much I can do here, I'm voting Looker or Sleepless here and that's that.

Tricked you, there was none. They said some shit at the beginning of the game and have been repeating the same bullshit since.

[Looker]

And, for the record, joquiza just came out of his coma and put me at e-1

and you didn't get hammered... wow... most likely maf

I think it's more likely both the scum are already on me, so not much can really happen. Either that or it would look suspicious if I got hammered unexpectedly and flipped green. Or it could be that scum see how ridiculous my wagon is but also how ridiculously inept town is proving to be and are content to let it play out. There are a myriad of reasons outside of what conveniently fits your agenda. I'm praying you're scum, though, because there's no reason a player should be this...gut-wrenchingly counterproductive.

[Looker]

I am slightly burnt out of mafia. I am doing a recharge week. I have been in very intense games off-site in the past week and I am no longer in them but that no longer being in them thing contributed to me burning out. I recognize I need to post more for the good of the game but in-depth analyzing is for this weekend. If anyone wants to ask me questions or point me in the direction of things to give opinions on go for it but this is mobile dwlee for a couple days

start here

Also

What are your fucking thoughts

I still think it's two of you/roadkill/sleepless.

Interesting. So rather than wagon with me on either of the two I've already agreed to vote, you'd just vote me

How is that effective when, according to you, there are two in that pool?

Spoiler:

I don't trust it. VOTE: Roadkill

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Wait...so my suggestions are viable after all?

I'm open to Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, or Umlaut

Let's go with VOTE: Sleepless!

This is incredibly disingenuous when my activity across the entire site was zero
VOTE: Looker
Think town!you would bother to check that

Why wouldn't scum worry about being called out for being wrong?

They could be, but scum are also much less likely to care if their arguments are actually correct if they just want a Muslim.

What part of my argument was incorrect

[Looker]

Another question: Are you only "burned out" of games that are at Day 2 versus games that are at Day 1? Hypothetically, would you post more if this game were on Day 1?

Also: Is your plan to lurk until deadline and just see what shakes out? Do you feel that you can effectively stall out suspicion?

[Looker]

Or what if this game were at Day 5? Hypothetically, would you post more then?

[Looker]

VOTE: Dwlee

What has Andante accomplished other than hammering Three and chainsawing for Dwlee?

And, re:Dwlee - In the off chance you are town, negative utility is negative. I should've hammered when I first had the chance but I thought you would actually contribute. This has been a waste of time and so are you.

[Looker]

Does anyone even know what Andante's case against me is? Because even the "progression" I quoted in 374 is inaccurate repetition.

[Looker]

Your point?

[Looker]

IS ANYONE BUYING THIS BULLSHIT SCUM THEATER?

I just figured I'd save us some time. Andante hasn't done shit but defend an absent Dwlee who comes in at the last minute after we've been begging them to contribute since D2 started since they were the counterwagon to a town miselim. They keep saying "I've explained why Looker is scum" but haven't and keep trying to pair me with any and everybody because I pegged them as partners. They paired me with mc esther, who was the cop, and now they're trying to pair me with sleepless, who is generally just the most disliked here despite not having wagoned Three. They are fucking desperate.

Dwlee knew they were going to be under fire from D1's wagonomics and so disengaged with this thread entirely, letting Andante try to do the dirty work because for some reason people "townread" Andante.

[Looker]

And Andante saying "Looker is trying to set up a D3 tunnel" is basically what she's done since D1 - she can't even come up with good lies because all she does is project, the same way she said that I lurk when I'm scum and so I must've 'repped into a scum slot' despite lurking being her scum meta. I mean, this shitty scum strategy is as much to blame on the town as it is on Andante/Dwlee, because you guys have allowed it. They've literally contributed nothing and yet there's still debate as to their authenticity.

[Looker]

What are the legitimate concerns/objections other than people wanting to pretend that they're in the Da Vinci Code and that this is somehow more complicated than it is?

[Looker]

Irrelevant.

Spoiler: But...

• I'm old - a lot of these patterns are recognizable to me, so I can kinda jump ahead to the bullshit when I see it coming
  
• I read - I put in the effort to engage whether I'm town or scum because I know it makes the game that much more fun for the other people involved
  
• I'm town - it frustrates me to finally be on the right side of green and to have it squandered by scum who won't engage or by town who lurk/almost replace out twice and then don't even read the game (I'm right for once and I want you to let me beat you over the head with it while you be a good sport about it - that's what I do when I'm scum)

I do feel bad about being aggressive toward Andante, though, because I didn't expect her to actually be scum, so me razzing her wasn't supposed to transition into me attacking her. As much as I keep criticizing her approach, I do appreciate that she has one and is at least still pushing, even if the pivot is kind of wonky.

[Looker]

Is not Dwlee the reason we spent 7 days with limited progress? What player do you feel is to blame?

• Also...
  
• My suspicion of Dwlee isn't inactivity (That was your ad hoc suspicion of me when I replaced in)
  
• I don't think you're town - when I replaced in, I didn't expect you to be scum, so my teasing of you was eventually supposed to balance out
  
• What question/inquiry did you spend 7 days trying to get answered? As in, what did you try to do for the last 7 days and who prevented you from doing it?

[Looker]

Okay, 3 vs. 3, let's leave it up to Joq then. I at least trust that he's town.

Looker, do you read Sleeper as town now? Weren't they formerly on your would-yeet list?

This question was not purely rhetorical.

I know it wasn't, but what's the point of asking this right before night phase?

Looker: "I don't read Sleepless as town"
Looker: *dies*
WIFOMing scum: *frame*

I feel like this should've been brought up back when I initially questioned you about Sleepless 4 days ago.

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I'm curious why Dwlee didn't take (or at least feign) offense at being called a negative town utility. You would expect a town player being criticized for their town play to defend said play. It's probably because there's no town play to defend, and thus no offense to be taken.

[Looker]

@Andante

Is not Dwlee the reason we spent 7 days with limited progress? What player do you feel is to blame?

• What question/inquiry did you spend 7 days trying to get answered? As in, what did you try to do for the last 7 days and who prevented you from doing it?

[Looker]

Lol, that's what it sounded like you were saying, which is why I asked: Who stopped you from doing what?

Like, yes, I'm not opposed to a dwlee lim, my issue is that we spent 7 days, no one doing much, and now it's like "yeah, lim the one who isn't doing much" so dwlee flips town, then what? 7 more days of nothing then yeeting another town??

If Dwlee flips scum, who do you feel is most likely partner? If Dwlee flips town, I have to assume I get elim'd next?

[Looker]

Why me

[Looker]

O wow, nice work guys