Micro 1045: Science Diagrams That Look Like Shitposts [END]

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: the worst

Only mafia would call themselves the worst!

[HockeyFan]

lol

ta vera seems town for not contuning with the whole "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL blah blah blah"(reference to 30 btw)

[HockeyFan]

lol

ta vera seems town for not contuning with the whole "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL blah blah blah"(reference to 30 btw)

i don't get it.

don't worry, it's a fake read

I lowkey agree 45 is nonsensical though.
Plz explain or be RVS deaded.
VOTE: Hockeyfan

What worst said in 31 is basically true.

Also wdym pls explain. I "joke" trd someone cuz they werent participating in "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL, NO YOU'RE NOT" etc.

[HockeyFan]

lol

ta vera seems town for not contuning with the whole "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL blah blah blah"(reference to 30 btw)

i don't get it.

don't worry, it's a fake read

I lowkey agree 45 is nonsensical though.
Plz explain or be RVS deaded.
VOTE: Hockeyfan

What worst said in 31 is basically true.

Also wdym pls explain. I "joke" trd someone cuz they werent participating in "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL, NO YOU'RE NOT" etc.

it was a joke? so what's your actual read on them not participating in the rvs banter?
you've linked to a quote by ta vera when saying what i said is true, what were you talking about there?

I don't have a read on them really, was just refreshing to see something different than "8-ball". oh i meant to quote 48, not 31

What worst said in 31 is basically true.

that's me.

Also wdym pls explain. I "joke" trd someone cuz they werent participating in "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL, NO YOU'RE NOT" etc.

how was that a joke?

if u took that read seriosuly( a read on page 2 nonetheless and if u saw the reasoning of it), thats your loss?

Why is joke in quotation marks.

Not intrested in dicussing about semantics

[HockeyFan]

Does anyone have reads? I feel like this game is the equivalent of gnawing on a bone without meat on it.
Give me some inspiration dang it.

Uhhh the worst is town for thier tone(i think), and the answer I gave to frogster down below(no solid reads yet tho)

Im going to go ahead and make a crazy FoS here that both Dragons and ONE of Norwegian or TA Vera are scum.

Massive WoT of questions still incoming.

Disgaree, I think one out of all THREE of them are scum

[HockeyFan]

Ok but fo real. I kinda feel like Enchant isn't being scummy? Cus it seems like a weird strat to be like "I'M THE 8-BALL I'M GONNA DIE IF I DON'T SHUT UP!!!"
So don't think i prefer them for lim today actually.
Ta Vera feels gut town but that has backfired on me before so that's not a strong read.
Not sure i like Hockeyfan really, although their answer earlier was fine. They say you are town for tone but i don't understand why your tone is necesarilly all that townie so far.

15,17,50, 52

[HockeyFan]

doesnt mean they can sound town tonally

[HockeyFan]

how?

Just because they're meaningless fluff doesnt mean they still sound tonally town

I think STD has been tonally weird so far, does nobody agree on that.

I dont think theres much point in pushing this further since STD is always tonally weird


Anyways:
Tr's:
Frogster
TL:
the worst
ta vera
Null:
{everyone but my SL}
Slight SL: Maybe Norwee? Cant really explain this as well tho


VOTE: Norwee

[HockeyFan]

I do think frogster's posting is like, overtly manipulative and I'm surprised he's being overlooked.

- He doesn't have any reads; just lots of opinions. At every turn he tries to hijack conversations about peoples alignments with spammy mechanical stuff.
- he's very quick to point out things which look bad, but hasn't presented any evidence of organic thought in forming reads.
- I forgot his vote was on me; his voting is probably roughly what you'd expect but I maintain he decided I was scum and is looking for reasons

This is starting to look like TvT now I don't think scum would have the balls to push a shit case like this lol
UNVOTE: theworst

Scum can absoukltley can have the balls to put a shit case like this, dont know why you're saying "this case sucks, so it must be town"; town can also make shitty cases

[HockeyFan]

Like STD and Hockey are understandable. STD has some progression that makes sense,

Hockey is in the PoE and scummy so OMGUS

. But your vote is illogical and makes no sense from a town!POV because it doesn’t seem like you actually intended to do anything.

No, its cuz you're in my POE. ALso NVM norwees recent posts seem town

UNVOTE:

[HockeyFan]

nor is town yeah

why are you unvoting? join me on STD?

Im unvoting cuz I think norwees recent posts are town? ALso, nah I think STD is a TL for me rn

[HockeyFan]

nor is town yeah

why are you unvoting? join me on STD?

Im unvoting cuz I think norwees recent posts are town? ALso, nah I think STD is a TL for me rn

why are you not voting a scumread then?
why are you leaning town on STD?

Genuinely dont have sny SR'S
I'm leaning town on STD becuz I've played with STD in the past, and his play in this game lines up with his town?(75,76,79,88(These are posts i expect come from town!STD)

how?

Just because they're meaningless fluff doesnt mean they still sound tonally town

i mean how do they sound tonally town?

Not intrested in semantics, its just a feeling thing yk?

Ta vera pressuring this many ppl early in the game(with thier votes) seem town to me, i dont think scum would wanna switch thier vote so much?

I had a TR on frogster king yday, but not so sure anymore.
Enchant is null
Everyone Else; i dont have a read on

[HockeyFan]

Clearly its me

[HockeyFan]

I had a TR on frogster king yday, but not so sure anymore.

Getting ready for a read flip there?

No? Weird you would assume that

nor is town yeah

why are you unvoting? join me on STD?

Im unvoting cuz I think norwees recent posts are town? ALso, nah I think STD is a TL for me rn

why are you not voting a scumread then?
why are you leaning town on STD?

Genuinely dont have sny SR'S
I'm leaning town on STD becuz I've played with STD in the past, and his play in this game lines up with his town?(75,76,79,88(These are posts i expect come from town!STD)

have you played with scum!STD?

how?

Just because they're meaningless fluff doesnt mean they still sound tonally town

i mean how do they sound tonally town?

Not intrested in semantics, its just a feeling thing yk?

i wasn't arguing semantics. i was looking for an explanation of what's behind that feeling, but it seems like i won't get one so i'm dropping this for know.

Ta vera pressuring this many ppl early in the game(with thier votes) seem town to me, i dont think scum would wanna switch thier vote so much?

this is probably wrong for me.

I dont remember if ive played with scum!std, iirc he was scum in newbie 2067?(or whatever the pizza one was), dont remember

how?

Just because they're meaningless fluff doesnt mean they still sound tonally town

i mean how do they sound tonally town?

Not intrested in semantics, its just a feeling thing yk?

i wasn't arguing semantics. i was looking for an explanation of what's behind that feeling, but it seems like i won't get one so i'm dropping this for now.

i take this back. what might have scum fluff from the worst been like?

also, do you remember why you townread Frogsterking?

VOTE: HockeyFan

Not as charismatic
i had TR on frog cuz of (61, 92, 94)

[HockeyFan]

first time playing with Hockey but I found his introductory posts kind of tonally interesting so I dived some of his old games and I feel like. idk, he always makes an effort to insert himself into what's happening in the game. in his like, whole 1 scumgame that i checked, he felt a lot less comfortable and kinda seemed like he was just ... missing the vibe of the conversation if that makes sense ... ? i feel like he's similarly struggling here.

What would u say the "vibe" of this convo is; I skimmed through the content(A. most of it was not directed at me, B. the content recently produced isnt changing my read on other ppl)

[HockeyFan]

just to expand, i think hockey is p motivated by engaging and trying to look fine but i don't think hockey is trying to like.. solve this game.. sorry for mini pbpa wall i just have lots of little things which make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up

lol

ta vera seems town for not contuning with the whole "ENCHANT IS 8-BALL blah blah blah"(reference to 30 btw)

boring take he doesn't believe in, this is just noise

this post (click) isn't interested in what others are doing and what their intentions are, it's more focused on how others are viewing him + his initial posts

Yea, cuz 2-3 ppl were sussing em? Also, the convo at that time was CENTERED around ME(discounting any RVS bs)

Uhhh the worst is town for thier tone(i think), and the answer I gave to frogster down below(no solid reads yet tho)

15,17,50, 52

similarly uninteresting read (loud player town) which i'm not sure he believes in. the posts he links to qualify my towny tone are also...like.... so nothing

This is a post where I trd u. How is that (loud player town)

:

this post fits into the trend of 'loud player town' again; something about the vote on nor shortly after std votes nor without addressing this null core of {enchant, salsa/klick, std} feels kinda coasty.:

If you want to say "loud player town" cuz of the Frog fair enough, but guess what, Norwee was also "loud player" there, and they didnt fall into my town reads. Maybe it was more than just noise!! Also; since when was coastiness a scumtell?

Scum can absoukltley can have the balls to put a shit case like this, dont know why you're saying "this case sucks, so it must be town"; town can also make shitty cases

this is to his townread about a townlean without reevaluating his reads which sounds more motivated to make me look bad than to solve either of us

How does that make u look more bad? I STILL trd you at the time of the post, was just claryfying something re; Frog

Genuinely dont have sny SR'S
I'm leaning town on STD becuz I've played with STD in the past, and his play in this game lines up with his town?(75,76,79,88(These are posts i expect come from town!STD)

this isn't a great reaction to being called out for not pushing anyone.

i take this back. what might have scum fluff from the worst been like?

also, do you remember why you townread Frogsterking?

VOTE: HockeyFan

Not as charismatic
i had TR on frog cuz of (61, 92, 94)

I think the former part of this is fairly close to an admission that he's not thinking about his read on me critically, and again I feel like he's ignored a lot of parts of frog's ISO which present as genuine (his absurd reactions to people's posts, reads & tinfoil gamestate theories, his ... 'slip') and kind of just picked a few really superficial posts which any mafia player can make?

My read on u is not really based on your content so it cant really be that "critical". You saying i've ignored frogs iso is disingenuous at best; i said what i found towny about his opening and MAYBE theres a reasoning I moved him down to null

to @350, to be frank, i wouldnt be bothered too much, I kinda deserve it lol

[HockeyFan]

This is a post where I trd u. How is that (loud player town)

i'm loud and you're approaching me in a way that makes me think you just want to townbin me and leave me alone rather than solve me !!!

Do I have to solve everyone in the game? No, i'm not gonna sit here and anaylze your posts cuz skimming through them doesnt give me a mafia vibe.

If you want to say "loud player town" cuz of the Frog fair enough, but guess what, Norwee was also "loud player" there, and they didnt fall into my town reads. Maybe it was more than just noise!! Also; since when was coastiness a scumtell?

i mean your read on nor has exactly 0 content so it's kind of impossible to react to. it was also shortly after std started pushing nor, so it's not a difficult stance to take when you're taking 0 stances (std is more likely to make an enemy of nor than you are by sheeping). maybe it was just noise!

You would be right in saying I'm taking 0 stances for my SR's, but im 100% taking stances for other things, I think STD is town, ta vera is town, and Forgster is null-leaning town so?

coastiness isn't a scumtell in itself; it's a tell that you're not doing anything. town's wincon is literally about hunting down and removing the scums - it's not a mindset that allows time to do nothing. a combination of doing nothing but trying to not look like you're doing nothing? -- that's a scumtell.

How does that make u look more bad? I STILL trd you at the time of the post, was just claryfying something re; Frog

This is.. literally what I'm getting at, like
if frog is accurately townreading me and you know it, you're incentivised to say this and try to erode his read.
if frog is townreading me and you don't *know* my alignment but think i'm town, why is the first meaningful comment you've made about my content an attempt to erode someone else's tr on me?

Me saying both alligments can do thing <X> is not an attempt to "erode" someones townread, I didnt specifally say to worst, hey "the worst" doing this MUST mean hes mafia

My read on u is not really based on your content so it cant really be that "critical". You saying i've ignored frogs iso is disingenuous at best; i said what i found towny about his opening and MAYBE theres a reasoning I moved him down to null

there is no tangible difference between a "read not based on content" and not having a read on someone. i'm not sorry that i expect people to read others critically in game about critical thinking.

Your content has been interactring with Norwee(talking in circles?) and now this? What am I suppsoed to anyalze with that

is there a reason for your townread on frog? is there a reason you moved him down to null? how would i possibly be able to discern this without activating my psychic powers and cheating hockey?

Yes, I mentioned why I trd hm in 340, but his later posts werent as towny

[HockeyFan]

HockeyFan, what would you expect to be different about Save The Dragons's posts if he was scum?

Idrk, maybe a bit most coasty and less engaged with the gamestate?

HockeyFan, you do a lot of saying posts and people are towny, but not much explaining of why. at most, there's your read of me, but even that is pretty underwhelming.

reasoning for STD- tone/vibe of his psots were not what I rememebr scum!std playing like

Frog- I've already linked his early posts as a way to TR them(energetic and threw out some content righr away)

And yea, i dont have much more readas then that

[HockeyFan]

what are you waiting for?

It's been hard for me to make reads in this gamestate tbh, like idk if theres been major talking points that i can esailly point to and say "town" or "mafia". like the 1-2 major things i saw were basically talking in circles

[HockeyFan]

smh the worst really put effort into my scumcase but doesnt want to put effrot into someone elses scumcase? must be partners!!

[HockeyFan]

I wish I was scum with u

I was joking that u were scum with ta vera, but yea i also wish i was scum with u

[HockeyFan]

kinda insane how the worst says 2 names in 374 but votes a 3rd person in the post below, why do u suddently want to vote with ta vera btw? is it cuz they've put suspicion on ta vera?

[HockeyFan]

kinda insane how the worst says 2 names in 374 but votes a 3rd person in the post below, why do u suddently want to vote with ta vera btw? is it cuz they've put suspicion on Frog?

EBWOP

[HockeyFan]

if you're going to vote me, please do it now.

what does this even mean

[HockeyFan]

when did frog put suspicion on me?

other way around

kinda insane how the worst says 2 names in 374 but votes a 3rd person in the post below, why do u suddently want to vote with ta vera btw? is it cuz they've put suspicion on ta vera?

kinda insane how the worst says 2 names in 374 but votes a 3rd person in the post below, why do u suddently want to vote with ta vera btw? is it cuz they've put suspicion on Frog?

EBWOP

that's a p big part of it ya but not just because frog is frog

what do you think of ta vera's play like, right now?

Eh i went through her iso, and its pretty much all stuff that can be said as either alligment(first 20 ish posts was pushing salisbi for reasons?). I do find posts like 264, 269 and 332 as town. I'm not sure what 336 means tho

[HockeyFan]

idk, im not convinced enchant is town, hes not posting content hiding behind "i am 8ball!!" + i think other ppl are more town

VOTE: enchant

[HockeyFan]

I like frogsters answer to ta vera question, but frogsters case on ta vera is ehhhh, dont really see a whole lot there, i dont think it would want to make me TR ta vera tho(yes,427 is weird)

[HockeyFan]

ok?

[HockeyFan]

@Frogster i dont agree that scum!enchant omits those posts. I mean 412 is only meaningful post out what u quoted imo. I dont understand how u think any of 283,290, 294 and 409 are "high-effort" per-say. also, why did u ISO salsa?

[HockeyFan]

fine, I'l even give 283 to u

but 290 is-- Stating the players in the game hes played with
294- talking about another game where he replaced into klicks spot
409- asking a question like "Did you forgot to write it for the end" is not very high effort imo

You're crazy if u think these 3 posts are high effrot lol

[HockeyFan]

I dont think 412 has any effect, you culd make an arguemtn for 283 being enchant!town tho

[HockeyFan]

Mafia is ez

enchant scum slip ez

[HockeyFan]

also, welcome kovu

[HockeyFan]

@Rosa, can u expand on your frog case a bit more. All im seeing is that frogs "spineless" but i dont necessarily think its Ai in any way.

Also re 463, where did Frog slip

[HockeyFan]

I believe Rosarium is town. That's my only certain read

is that all u've got by reading the game?

[HockeyFan]

People are saying I'm a viable yeet? oh.. I thought I was in a different position, not votes on me, if I'm on the table I should'vr approached this differently. my b

huh?

How does having and not having notes make u approach the game differnely

[HockeyFan]

sure

VOTE: Rosarium

[HockeyFan]

sure

VOTE: Rosarium

Hey what's your read on Kovu?

not really sure, dont have one(I think they're not scum tho) + I liked thier case on Rosa, so im voting there

[HockeyFan]

first

[HockeyFan]

Also, Rosarium was super town at the EOD, and I agreed with some of thier points on STD. std was interacting in bad faith, not sure if this makes them 100% own tho

Rn i have

The worst, Kovu as townreads

Townlean- Frogster

Possible SL on- everyone else lol

[HockeyFan]

how was i interacting with bad faith?

how was rosarium not interacting with bad faith? she ignored anything else about my play to tunnel on me for one post and blatantly ignored similar votes onto her.

547- Dont think this is your genuine thought- Rosa is going down there, no need for her to make herself look "worse" as mafia
558- Just, yeah this doeosnt seem engaging in good faith
560- I do not think scum that are "caught" react like that, it was way too close to deadline, I think they just dont say anything to avoid spewing thier partners

really? I want kovu dead asap why are you town there?

Nothing inherently scummy about thier logs imo, they all seem like town

[HockeyFan]

Nothing inherently scummy about thier logs imo, they all seem like town

Has anything stood out to you as particularly towny?

498 and the whole Rosa case in general, with how the game state was, they could have just coasted but they decided to take some Action which i think is town+?

[HockeyFan]

What bothers me about Kovu is how they said Rosarium was town before deciding not.
It was such an unnatural development that i wonder if some malevolent influence came up.

why does this bother u? ppl can update reads when they re read the thread

So I think after what happened in twilight, mafia might have made me the 8ball. thus I'm especially wary of any one straight pushing me as they might be trying to get that kill.

It's interesting that Hockeyfan kind of tests the waters. He doesn't vote or directly scumread me, but he still wants to throw shade and make sure i'm a viable target

. If I am the 8ball, this could be hockey's way of subtly trying to push me but waiting for someone else to start the wagon.

VOTE: Hockeyfan

Not gonna sit here and say this isnt true, but no I didnt want to shade you, your overall play that day was townyish except that last part so wanted to question u

[HockeyFan]

Enchant you vote me then tell people to vote Frog. That does not seem logical.

I apply more pressure on Frog by not voting than just voting.

So, instead you decide to shade 2 people at once. Cool, cool

@Hockey

are you opposed to a D2 Enchant execution?

No

You don't have, because writing "Kova is Town" or "Kova is Mafia" or "Kova is Null" takes 2-3 seconds.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

How is this AI in any way


In response to 622, I dont want to speculate too much about 8-ball but its probs Norwegian or me(and norwerign is someone im likely not voting today)

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Enchant

[HockeyFan]

yo frog, can u explain progression between 432 and 595(ftr I do think they are scum but still curious)

[HockeyFan]

why cant i be 8ball

[HockeyFan]

yo frog, can u explain progression between 432 and 595(ftr I do think they are scum but still curious)

1) I didn't like the EoD aggression toward me from Enchant it's a bad look 2) I started to suspect scum!Enchant is slightly higher effort than town!enchant so the little town tells I was looking at all got inverted to become scum tells 3) I don't like that there wasn't an attempt of a scum push onto Enchant D1

1) Ok fair, I agree with this too
2) what changed, u were tring them earlier for how much "effort" they put in
3) Why does that matter?

[HockeyFan]

kovu/enchant pair tbh so im fine with voting kovu.
Also @norwee, thats fine, tough time for many rn
I feel like I have this game solved but kovu/enchant seesms wayy too easy
more sure on Enchant scum tho

[HockeyFan]

There's a bunch of posts, the iso feels odd, initially hockey was maff off solely VCs,

what does "hockey was maf off solely VCs mean" lol

but like day 1 reads afs just "oh haha the worst is maf!!" then suddenly flips to enchant being maf, ignore the worst, and by the end of day, the worst is town and the last interaction hockey really had about the worst was a sr,

Will admit, i only srd worst because they were pushing me , but again why does me flipping reads make me indicitave of mafia, having stagnant reads is bad

it feels odd. People are SRing me about my case, but what about the people who also jumped on that? like here, Hockey starts day like "yeah I knew it was town" meanwhile I was over here like "omg i suck, I'm so sorry" (idk if I said that, I know I thought it)

Rosas EOD posts(when i wasnt here so i didnt get it to express it earlier seemed towny to me). Also if "omg I suck, I'm so sorry" was your reaction, that reaction tends to come from mafia lol

Kovu quoting my ISO

Spoiler:

what are you waiting for?

It's been hard for me to make reads in this gamestate tbh, like idk if theres been major talking points that i can esailly point to and say "town" or "mafia". like the 1-2 major things i saw were basically talking in circles

smh the worst really put effort into my scumcase but doesnt want to put effrot into someone elses scumcase? must be partners!!

VOTE: the worst

Only mafia would call themselves the worst!

kinda insane how the worst says 2 names in 374 but votes a 3rd person in the post below, why do u suddently want to vote with ta vera btw? is it cuz they've put suspicion on ta vera?

idk, im not convinced enchant is town, hes not posting content hiding behind "i am 8ball!!" + i think other ppl are more town

VOTE: enchant

sure

VOTE: Rosarium

Hey what's your read on Kovu?

not really sure, dont have one(I think they're not scum tho) + I liked thier case on Rosa, so im voting there

Also, Rosarium was super town at the EOD, and I agreed with some of thier points on STD. std was interacting in bad faith, not sure if this makes them 100% own tho

Rn i have

The worst, Kovu as townreads

Townlean- Frogster

Possible SL on- everyone else lol

U quoted like 10-15 posts, so what did u get from it? Like the only thing im seeing u got was "hockey flipped his vote a bunch of times" and "hockey had a confident TR on someone I did not", like oK? None of these are particularly "scummy" so, can you expand pls

[HockeyFan]

UNVOTE: Kovu

Okay whatever I will give a little benefit of the doubt.

why

[HockeyFan]

UNVOTE: Kovu

Okay whatever I will give a little benefit of the doubt.

why

Because in the past I would have just wagoned Kovu there and I'm curious how things play out when I overcome the urge to do that.

Huh? Why didnt u wagon Kovu there lol, what advantge does you overcoming the urge give

[HockeyFan]

Agree with the Frog case on the worst, so rn I have a POE of enchant(strongest mafia read)/kovu + the worst(scum leans)

[HockeyFan]

gettting heebie jeebies with STD. They're doing the bare minimum rn in terms of content, + now i have other stronger TRS

[HockeyFan]

I haven't been doing much all site. Can try to make this game more of a priority.

thanks for letting us know, no pressure to make this game a priority btw

@frog, why are u appeasing to someone who srs u(and vice versa) like ? are u pocketing

[HockeyFan]

lol

[HockeyFan]

well enhcnat basically outed as scum with that hammer, so get them tmr, but otherwise gl and o7

[HockeyFan]

Yea thats pretty fking scummy too lol

[HockeyFan]

I had 0 reason to not hammer you literally.

dude IDK continue voting your srs??? lmao

[HockeyFan]

Ok well, i wouldnt have got either the scum lmfao, but anyways gg, thx for modding umulat