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Post #26 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:05 am
Postby Prism »
Never live in a log cabin this shit turns into straight 24/7 thunderdoming wasps in the spring/summer I know they look nice on Instagram but holy shit say no
In post 10, Prism wrote:Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmao
Idk if scum claims it right out the gate, i think town nearly always does (or at least town who's moderately experienced, whatever)
? Is this referring to Enchant or my ascetic claim?
I generally avoid steering clear of Day 1 gambits because they hedge flexibility a lot. Specifically with ascetic, you're leaving yourself at the mercy of town PoE. This playerlist is unlikely to instantly flip it but depending on who is left Day 3 it gets dicey.
In post 26, Prism wrote:Never live in a log cabin this shit turns into straight 24/7 thunderdoming wasps in the spring/summer I know they look nice on Instagram but holy shit say no
secret tip: put cat food in a those yellow wasp traps. They go mad for that shit and then die.
I literally just leave a path open to the biggest window, where they flock towards the sun then die for lack of food
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Post #70 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:24 am
Postby Prism »
Look I could be rational and hire an exterminator or I can sit by this window sipping a cold Elmer's with one hand and swinging a weaponized shoe in the other because I'm a lazy broke ass bitch
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Post #78 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:29 am
Postby Prism »
The tub would also work, but what I really need is a big strong catboi to protect me. That motherfucker is too busy rewatching 2008 celtics highlights and eating spaghetti-o's straight from the can.
I can't start shitposting on page 2/3, I need an adult, someone call Regfan
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Post #84 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:39 am
Postby Prism »
Don't really see anywhere I want to put my vote down. Enchant read was vaguely serious, but he's actually more likely to read the sample PM than discover it by accident. Both are possible.
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Post #115 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:55 am
Postby Prism »
Not really. Aristeia's use is actually valid, point isn't that she gets confirmation point is that it can be used to inadvertantly catch someone hiding.
My first game onsite had two town ascetics, one town one mafia is fine and actually disincentivizes claiming it as mafia if they get beat to it.
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Post #136 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:02 pm
Postby Prism »
I thought 54 was +town for Dwlee. Eagerly and visibly flagging yourself walking right back into the same pitfall is not the most obvious scumplay to see.
In post 115, Prism wrote:Not really. Aristeia's use is actually valid, point isn't that she gets confirmation point is that it can be used to inadvertantly catch someone hiding.
My first game onsite had two town ascetics, one town one mafia is fine and actually disincentivizes claiming it as mafia if they get beat to it.
The town ascetic is going to claim 100 percent of the time though, right?
Mailman is going to also out like 100 percent of the time.
Correct, and this could be a built-in "feature" or could be amplified by some degree of Informed. There might in fact not be a second ascetic at all.
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Post #158 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:16 pm
Postby Prism »
Issue is that it's "free" in the sense that flipping me doesn't actually get you flipped next, and you will never even be under nightkill question pressure.
In post 159, Prism wrote:155 also comes off incredibly fake to me, particularly the second line.
what is fake about it?
You make similar early team speculation as town and repeatedly fall into the gutter. 155 shows some acknowledgement of this.
It feels performative, but on more thought I think there's a deeper issue: You previously got hardpunished for speculating on my partner instead of going one at a time. You don't make that mistake again.
In post 167, Prism wrote:It feels performative, but on more thought I think there's a deeper issue: You previously got hardpunished for speculating on my partner instead of going one at a time. You don't make that mistake again.
I don't understand, can you elaborate?
Mini Normal 2226. One game afterwards you made it a point to say you hadn't read it or paid attention. Another game you made it clear you had thought more about it.
In post 199, Prism wrote:197 has to be a fucking joke if you're town
your perspective is really strange to me because it feels like you think I don't have worry about your scum!game being good enough to get away with this.
197 is asking "Should I not be concerned?". Absolutely, you should be.
My criticism is that you learned to focus on me first, to sort that first and force it through and leave the partner spec for later. You're mitigating this criticism by drawing a new distinction of "Well I'm not voting skitter". Maybe that's important, but I don't think it is. It feels like your intent with 155 was to try and hit tonal points, and let the claim do the work of pushing me for you. It felt very wrong to me.
I'm also concerned you expect me to townread picking a fight with me period because of a certain other game. I do not.
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Post #235 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:50 pm
Postby Prism »
I find it very hard to believe that you are bewildered by and do not understand my argument.
You understand enough to draw new distinctions that serve as possible mitigating factors, then act like that distinction itself was always at issue by putting them in question form.
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Post #248 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:01 pm
Postby Prism »
My argument is that you previously went on a snipehunt chasing my partner before me in the Mini Normal. I don't think you even start on that path again and just focus squarely on me.
Your response to this was that you understood the connection. However you didn't spend that much time on it, and you weren't actually voting skitter. In comparison, you actually wound up forcing my "partner" through first in the other game as you were already there. This distinction is a mitigating response with further depth of context, not a complete rejection.
Perhaps you are in fact town and this distinction critical. Acting like there's obviously no real connection and it's irrational from my end to expect this makes me suspect it is in bad faith.
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Post #281 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:24 pm
Postby Prism »
FWIW Skitter's approach this game to me is scummy.
Her attempt to mediate me/Aristeia was actually missing some pieces, which could be a sign of malice or could be a sign of how disinterested people are and how hard my posts are to parse
At the end of the day she's seen me get into these 1v1s repeatedly and knows that my hitrate is quite high, even if they can be very annoying.
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Post #288 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:47 pm
Postby Prism »
My point is that they have a very high rate of TvS but you have been content to mostly just skim and focus on other slots.
I get that Aristeia has a strong claim. I also thought 279 was +town. Simultaneously, she absolutely headhunts me if she thinks she can get away with it, the weird dichotomy of finding my argument+dayplay very scummy and refusing to vote me because "it'd be mechplay" is questionable, and some of the responses to me were clearly new distinctions. It wasn't hard to understand she was introducing a new nuance that wasn't in my original argument,
especially when she is the one introducing the added nuance
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Post #290 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:52 pm
Postby Prism »
Like at the end of the day, it's not a galaxy brain genius move to claim Novice Mailman to get me voted out if she is in fact a Mafia Novice Mailman. If she's town there are several possible configurations that I don't think are worth speculating on right now. I'm not scumreading her for the claim.
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Post #295 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:01 pm
Postby Prism »
Indeed, I would love to get nightkilled this game and just have you collect a universal townread as either alignment. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Either way I do agree that I'm not making things easier by extended posting. I'll take a break from this game and commit to making my next set of posts being about other slots.
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Post #296 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:49 pm
Postby Prism »
I don't really have a lot of thoughts on other slots skimming through. My biggest issue is with Skitter's very limited refereeing and involvement and engagement. That's a very adjacent can of worms.
Aristeia's track record of understanding me is a mixed bag, and they do in fact have trouble understanding elements of my pushes. Simultaneously, with our history known to her it should have been ridiculously straightforward and understandable, even if wrong, and I find it very difficult to think of several posts without working myself into a malding knot.
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Post #301 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:03 pm
Postby Prism »
Well, let's walk through that instead.
Step 1: Stop showering. This is valuable time you could spend reading my or Datisi's convoluted bullshit instead. You're all about efficiency now.
Step 2: Get fired. As long as you follow step one, this should be easy. It's crucial that you get fired instead of resign so that you can collect unemployment.
Step 3: Grab as many pasta boxes and cans of Dr. Pepper as you can from the grocery store. Grab two cans of black spray paint. It's the last time you'll go outside, so make it count. Remember, you're a NEET now. Avoid all eye contact, and mumble the rote responses only when required.
Step 4: Lock your door and spray paint the windows black. It's finally time. Pull up mafiascum.net, start stacking up the delivery pizzas, the cleared out pasta boxes, the empty cans.
Step 5: Vote wrong in ELO, then blame somebody else for it. This wouldn't have happened if they weren't so stupid. Use words and phrases like "nonsensical progression", "fundamental lack of understanding", etc, and be sure to hammer home that if it wasn't for them, you would have voted right.
Congratulations skitter30, your journey to becoming a professional mafia player is now complete! If anything else goes wrong just blame the setup designers!
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Post #310 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:17 pm
Postby Prism »
There really aren't any slots I like beyond Enchant and kind of Dwlee, and plenty I mildly dislike. Baltar has a focus on awkwardness that I would have to review to see if it was out of character. The more memorable lines to me from games I've seen have been mechanical dumbtells and some extended convoluted back/forths with Datisi. I don't really get 110, because my first thought was "What is Aristeia even saying with the claim?" which took me a second to work out, and second running through some first configurations that would make sense if Aristeia was town, but I don't really get Baltar.
Two ascetics might be a legitimately bizarre thought, and he apparently was not the only one to think that way. They were in my first game onsite and how it played out (counterclaims+surrounding speculation of all flavors and conclusions) was quite vivid.
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Post #319 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:42 pm
Postby Prism »
I don't think the claim is as obvious on closer thought, but it was my instinct. I actually think her play afterwards was better. There is more history behind the does/doesn't she 1v1 me question that I might delve into another time.
For now it's wait until my brain isn't scrambled eggs, calmly evaluate, and type a single post explaining whatever the result is and why I think counterpoints don't hold.
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Post #333 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:26 pm
Postby Prism »
Have chewed a bit on Baltar's point about scum generally not wanting to tussle with me, therefore Aristeia dodging=questionable.
I actually am wondering about the opposite: If Aristeia makes the initial move only to falter in the followthrough. My instinct is no.
That said, 150-250's almost unbelievable obliviousness of how her responses interact with the initial points still fill me with the rage of a thousand suns.
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Post #334 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:30 pm
Postby Prism »
I just do not understand how Aristeia makes an important, nuanced, relevant distinction that addresses my point. She actively advances the importance of that distinction. Somehow she doesn't understand what the distinction is actually applying to. It actively breaks my brain in half. Either they flip scum or I spend the rest of my life still trying to piece this together.
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Post #412 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:37 am
Postby Prism »
I got through the Aristeia argument again. I can understand the early stuff and actually think the distinction fits the picture, where their idea of a mistake was different than mine and there's still no harm in spitballing.
I have written more sentences about 197 on and deleted them all so tl;dr: I start drinking the madjuice and literally how do you not understand it was about the most basic level of scumteam spec.
Almost finished with catchup, that was priority #1. Not completely sold they're town but there's no openwolfing like I thought there was for much of yesterday.