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Post Post #1175  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:14 pm

R.e. does not compute: I made it p clear that i was compromising on you/dats and that i wanted to have a coalition vote before i had to leave today
This was not my ideal but given that apparently everyone wanted you/dats i was picking out of the best of my available options given the time i had to think abt it

Also i did ask u to put std instead of dats and you shied away from that so telling me you would have sheeped me is kinda ehhhhh given that you didnt really seem into acting on that

I also said at least 4x that if you got in and it failed i would want to flip u before elo (tbf the paranoia kicked in before i thought it would)

Not really sure why/how any of this 'does not compute', i was p blatant what the outcome of a failed coalition with you/dats would be and that i didnt view this as an ideal outcome at all
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Post Post #1176  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:15 pm

In post 1171, skitter30 wrote:~ i really should have stuck to my guns for me/irrel/mena/std ~ ...


like I literally offered to sheep you for your 4 + ???[and offered to not be in the five] and you never even gave me a five person coalition you really wanted so I'm really not vibing with you being fustrated at me atp for ????

I think I have been more than accommodating for you?

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Post Post #1177  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:16 pm

In post 586, Aristeia wrote:mb fire's just right i dunno now :<

i'll be happy to sheep whatever you decide to skitter <3

brain feel mushy

also would prefer we get a decision in b4 we get 3 days on the clock.


I offered to sheep you here like days ago??? I'm not sure you ever gave me five names that you really wanted.

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Post Post #1178  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:17 pm

In post 1175, skitter30 wrote:I also said at least 4x that if you got in and it failed i would want to flip u before elo (tbf the paranoia kicked in before i thought it would)


no you said you wanted to flip me at elo if i didnt solve the game by then

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Post Post #1179  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:18 pm

In post 1175, skitter30 wrote:Also i did ask u to put std instead of dats and you shied away from that so telling me you would have sheeped me is kinda ehhhhh given that you didnt really seem into acting on that


ok so why does scum!me decide to have dats join us on the coalition instead of STD that you wanted?

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Post Post #1180  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:19 pm

well rip

this doesn't really change how i feel about skitter/datisi/ari

i think

idk maybe ill reread

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Post Post #1181  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:21 pm

Skitts, enjoy Shabbat don't worry about the game. it'll still be here when you get back.

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Post Post #1182  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:21 pm

In post 1032, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1018, skitter30 wrote:Me/mena/irrel/std


Ok so is this a viable core, and if yes, who should the fifth be?

In post 1034, Aristeia wrote:we're all just guessing it's fine it's just a game

In post 1035, Aristeia wrote:don't stress skitts pls let's make this a very low key and fun thing : )

I mean this is what i was pushing for a few days, you never seemed interested, and when i directly asked you this is what u answered

I also asked u directly about std a few posts down and you told me you wanted dats over him
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Post Post #1183  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:22 pm

In post 1181, Aristeia wrote:Skitts, enjoy Shabbat don't worry about the game. it'll still be here when you get back.


<3 yeah i'm gonna get to the rest tom night, literally answer rn

Have a great weekend everyone
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Post Post #1184  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:22 pm

In post 1027, Aristeia wrote:well you were the most healed person the first time I did a VC so I guess you're kind of stuck being the leader unless someone else wants it.

I can be your fifth if you want me to be your fifth because I know I'm town but if you don't know it I suggest you find someone you can trust.

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Post Post #1185  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:23 pm

Literally *cant* answer rn ugh

Anyways see y'all later!
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Post Post #1186  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:24 pm

i also didn't really want mena/irrel/std in, if that was wrong then mb but also i kinda still don't think it was wrong

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Post Post #1187  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:24 pm

bye skitter have a good weekend!!

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Post Post #1188  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:27 pm

ig if it isn't exactly irrel/std then maybe i can trust std is town now

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Post Post #1189  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:37 pm

In post 1179, Aristeia wrote:
In post 1175, skitter30 wrote:Also i did ask u to put std instead of dats and you shied away from that so telling me you would have sheeped me is kinda ehhhhh given that you didnt really seem into acting on that


ok so why does scum!me decide to have dats join us on the coalition instead of STD that you wanted?


Sorry last one and then i'm going!
Once i indicated dats was where i would flip first and it was obvious you/dats were a pair basically - it always behooves scum-you to have him in there no matter his alignment once you were in there (and basically everyone but me and like mala/nk15 wanted it iirc)

If he's town there's your first misflip
If he's scum you can always argue once he's flipped that the coalition is clean

And wrt ur other post: i'm worried that i'm gonna die and that people wont listen to that and actually carry it through.
Like i want to be charitable and give you a day, but i'm also worried abt the you/dats world and i'm also worried that if you get a misflip today and i'm not here to push it ir wont happen down the line

Ok later, have a great weekend, for real :)
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Post Post #1190  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:55 pm

the idea that scum me uses town!dats as the fall guy and sacrificial pawn is kind of gross.

I would not do that - I am not even sure if I could think of such a move.

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Post Post #1191  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 6:56 pm

I don't think you are actually worried about being nightkilled when you are in the big poe. it's a bit much tbh.

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Post Post #1192  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 8:03 pm

In post 1152, Ydrasse wrote:
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The coalition has failed.

Members: Aristeia, Datisi, Irrelephant11, Menalque, skitter30


went for a drive with my fiance which helped with my headspace

ari
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menalque
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i dunno the only person i think it could be is menalque but i admit i haven't fully processed datisi's town case

but what if it's datisi and menalque does scum!datisi try to get scum!menalque into the coalition if he's already in it? probably not so maybe it's not both

im scared that there's two scum in the coalition i didn't really think about that i thought one on one off but what if it's not simple i mean it could just be nk15 or malakittens but since it's not both i dunno what to think. some people scumreading me are town and i don't like that but i need to get over it

this post sucks

ari - i don't know. i mean i think it's genuine i think there's something about her posts that i just *believe* you know. i get the paranoia though.

datisi started off as a scumread for me but maybe i was wrong about it but maybe my gut was onto something there. i don't know, i need to read datisi again, but i remember really liking a lot of his posts

irrelephant i just don't think is scum. there's a small tiny teensy weensy part of me that is like "what if they're scum trying to pocket you" but i guess i don't really see the point so i'm not really indulging this theory

menalque suspects me for reasons that in my opinion are weird or NAI so i don't know it's hard for me to ignore that but i should probably get over it like i said and see what else this slot contains. i still think the entrance was potential performative scum entrance but i dunno about other stuff

i don't really see skitter as scum but i don't know this seems kind of different from the go game skitter seems to have more energy and thread presence but maybe that's because the go game was a large and it's easier to get lost. also i knew she was scum because i was traitor so i probably didn't analyze her posting as much as i could have. arg i don't have a good reason to sr skitter though; i've really liked her posts.

last time i did this game mode the coalition succeeded and had me on it, just sayin'
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Post Post #1193  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 8:29 pm

VOTE: menalque i don't think i'm convinced by datisi's case

i don't think the meta argument that this is not his scum game is a very good one, the game linked doesn't have a ton of posts from him and i don't think it's outside the play other than he lurked i guess but he kinda lurked a little here too

the post count argument sucks sorry

someone tell me i'm crazy paranoid for thinking datisi and menalque are the team and they took a concerted effort to force me out of the coalition by sandbagging me at the last minute and datisi bringing menalque's star upward

there's no way. they both had each other in their coalition somewhat early too.

In post 318, Datisi wrote:ok i'm up to date

HURT: all
HEAL: datisi
HEAL: aristeia
HEAL: skitter
HEAL: menalque

this is people i currently feel the best about. yes i know this coalition is kind of unlikely to go through. next order of business will be reviewing irrel and std because i feel like they are both people that most others think are town, but that i did not get any definitive townpings from but did get some scumpings from, so i will have to review. that will be done sometime before i go to sleep today because i gotta go at least pretend i'm working on uni stuff.


In post 416, Menalque wrote:HEAL: mena
HEAL: Relly
HEAL: dats


i think this was mena's first heal, so if they are the team i guess they would have had to decide to both be in the coalition or to try for it

looking back i'm not sure why irrelephant got pushed up and i got pushed down despite having similar takes on the game that sounds like a playstyle thing not a scum thing that bothers me a bit

i dunno if you want a reason for the vote maybe his iso is shallow. no but seriously i think the tone is off it feels fake to me at times

i want to look at ari a bit next
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Post Post #1194  (ISO)  » Fri May 13, 2022 8:42 pm

ugh i think my biggest problem with ari is that really early fireisred read

i mean i thought fire's tone was great coming in but i got convinced by ari he could be scum and probably too affected by his read on me

if fire is town, it's not a good look to just sandbag him so quickly. i know that ari wasn't exactly trying to be in the coalition but sometimes that's what you want if you're scum acting townie enough to be put in the coalition anyway. but that's not concrete that's just a random paranoid scenario that could be the case but could not be the case

but looking over the iso i guess there's not much there, there's nothing meaty to sink your teeth into

even the datisi read is like well of course you have a read on datisi you've been flirting with him all game and that's kind of your iso i mean there are also some good questions there so maybe i'm just crazy but where's the analysis or where's the thought process of 'this person is town because of X'

i think the "my brain is mush" is exactly the kind of posting i'd expect scum to make over town because scum are trying to have presence and are trying to emulate town though process. my brain is mush too though but i'm not just putting it in a post

then again even the little things like just FEEL genuine i dunno maybe i should be scared of ari but maybe she's just telling the truth
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Post Post #1195  (ISO)  » Sat May 14, 2022 1:15 am

I've taken some time to review some of the things you've accused me of skitter and here's how I see it;


Re: Accusation that I wasn't really willing to sheep you on the coalition that you wanted;


This is the first instance of me offering to sheep you:

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This was while I still believed we had to do a coalition and then had limited time to eliminate.

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This was in reference to your coalition at the time which was "me/dats/irrel/std/mena" - essentially the same coalition that passed except with me swapped in for STD. I know for a fact that coalition would also have failed because I am town.

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^ this is me trying to coalesce support for your preferred coalition at the time.

- I am literally getting you to the five votes you need[you were at 2] ; Irrelephant should be fine with switching his vote from aristeia to himself, if Datisi is ok with STD instead of me that makes four and I literally said I would be fine to hammer that coalition.

So like when I am under the idea that we are on limited time I am actively trying to get you the votes you need to get your coalition passed. In the next post I realized the VC in says the mod is not counting votes to elim and it's the second VC that says this, I think it's kind of strange since we're pretty close to hitting deadline - that's when I asked the mod about how the day would actually work - that's when I found out we actually do have time for this.


it's at this point that you drop Dats from your preferred coalition:

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I again offer to leave myself off the coalition with my scumreads:

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Which is a pretty stupid thing to do if you've dropped Dats!scum from the coalition and you're sitting with Irrel/Mena/STD all town in a coalition and you're just trying to fill the last spot no?

I am literally ceding all form of thread control to you and offering to stick behind with the people I scumread. If at any point you decide hey I want to add ___ to my list wouldn't I pretty much be going along with it there?

in fact I express this read on NK15:

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Do you think I'm trying to push a scum!NK15 into your coalition as #5? How does that help me win? Coalition fails, you yeet NK15, you follow that post and yeet me/dats - > game over. Do you actually think I ever say that about NK15 if he's doing a derp tunnel on me? As much as derp tunneling your teammate is borderline game throwing - sharing that type of meta to break the distancing ploy is even more gamethrowing.


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^ at this point it's Friday morning and we're running out of time again and I offer yet again to sheep you on whatever you are confident in. You ask me for my read on Dats and I give it to you.

If you tell me you really want a coalition, I probably sheep you on it.

but

There is only one difference between Datisi's Coalition and the Coalition you wanted. [You had STD instead of Me in your final vote thing]

That involved me being in the coalition. I know for a fact that I am town and that if your coalition would pass, then Datisi's coalition would also pass so the game would end either way.

What I can't accept is letting you kill Datisi if your coalition fails because it's your coalition in the first place.[You had made it very clear he was the first person you'd go to flip upon coalition failure] If you really want to flip Dats card, I need the coalition to be made by him; I can't accept you killing him with your preferred coalition passing I would fight you tooth and nail over that and this thread would become extremely unpleasant.

That's why I ended up voting for the coalition with me instead of STD. I know for a fact your coalition would also have failed. If you had wanted a coalition that was significantly different where this clause doesn't come into play I would've been fine with it. I think I have been extremely transparent in my willingness to support you throughout this game and to push your preferred coalition through multiple times when both myself and Datisi were off of it which makes very little sense if your coalition was already compromised to begin with. It feels incredibly strange to me that you think Fire made a good point that if I am scum, then I have to be partnered with someone already on your coalition but you've decided that Dats/Ari are the place that you want to start with.

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Post Post #1196  (ISO)  » Sat May 14, 2022 1:28 am

In post 1189, skitter30 wrote:Sorry last one and then i'm going!
Once i indicated dats was where i would flip first and it was obvious you/dats were a pair basically - it always behooves scum-you to have him in there no matter his alignment once you were in there (and basically everyone but me and like mala/nk15 wanted it iirc)

If he's town there's your first misflip
If he's scum you can always argue once he's flipped that the coalition is clean



I want to address this accusation here in this post;


Datisi is one of the hardest players to misflip on this site - he very rarely gets misflipped as town and only by truly stupid people because my god when this man radiates townieness it is blinding. He hasn't gotten there yet this game but if he was threatened I think he probably can get there.

I doubt I would ever think of trying to misflip him. Not only would I feel incredibly bad about it - but like it's just not something that's easy or strategically sound to do? There are many people I would find easier to misflip in this PL, I don't think there's actually a player more difficult to misflip than him.

The thought of trying to put him into the coalition to set him up as a misflip after townreading him is just not something I would do or even consider doing. It's just so bizarre that the thought would never even cross my mind - my scum game for all you rave about it is actually fairly simple - I mostly try to flip the people who are easy to flip. I don't really try to jump over a 50 foot fence when there is a nice open door somewhere else.

secondly I didn't even want to be on the coalition until Datisi talked me into it:

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I was perfectly content to sit off coalition with my scumreads and play support for you. I didn't force my way into your coalition and drag Dats in to be some decoy, he was the one who convinced me to come.

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Post Post #1197  (ISO)  » Sat May 14, 2022 1:31 am

i thought std thoughtdump was p helpful actually so i was gonna do the same but im kinda sleepy so maybe ill do it tomorrow instead

briefly tho

i don't really think skitter needs to take the choices she's made here if she were scum so i still think thats town

but i also don't think i really agree with the conclusions she came to as a reaction to the coalition failing

i think ari is largely making good points here

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Post Post #1198  (ISO)  » Sat May 14, 2022 4:39 am

Ok, finally.
VOTE: Aristeia

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Post Post #1199  (ISO)  » Sat May 14, 2022 6:29 am

:|

when i saw the nk15 lolhammer yesterday evening, i thought he was either scum surrendering or scum desperate to lock this coalition in

however, thinking now, **assuming nk15 is scum**:

i'm not his partner because i'm twon :3

ari being his partner doesn't actually make... a ton of sense. like i know he loves to tunnel his buddies or whatever but that distancing was so poorly done that i don't think they get anything out of it. and considering a Decent amount of people are thinking ari Might be scum, him adding to that is actually increasng the chance she flips today very much and i really don't think nk15 ever endgames here after that. you *could* argue he's scum that thinks he can endgame and he's lowkey playing against wincon and it's not impossible. BUT in that world, i don't think partner!ari brings up that game with scum!nk. i don't think she knows i know of that game and i don't think anyone else from this game played there (i did check so unless someone was alting that i don't know of it)... so i really don't think ari in ari/nk15 world brings it up.

so his partner would have to be in mena/skitt/irrel - and i'm not sure that desperate hammer makes sense as a "desperate hammer" if he's scum with any of them. like, it would make the most sense if he's with mena as it was kiiiinda looking like mena might not make it into the coalition. but the tide was turning and time was running out and i feel like it was pretty obvious that coalition is getting hammered like 99/100 times. so i don't think nk15 had to like, secure a bad coalition lest a good one shows up.

i guess this is a longer was to get to . i don't think this is actually townie behaviour for nk15, not by a long shot, but i also really don't think it's a lockscum one, as much as i had hoped.
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