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it just feels like you're overexplainy in a way that looks bad, i dunno. i also didn't like 37 it feels robotic almost like "beep boop i am town. i form a coalition. join me or die beep boop" i dunno i just didn't buy it
fire seems genuine so far and skitter seems to be actually solving even though there's still little to go on-
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that's fairIn post 111, Datisi wrote:
"join me or die" feels really uncharitable compared to what i actually said but okayIn post 106, Save The Dragons wrote:it just feels like you're overexplainy in a way that looks bad, i dunno. i also didn't like 37 it feels robotic almost like "beep boop i am town. i form a coalition. join me or die beep boop" i dunno i just didn't buy it
fire seems genuine so far and skitter seems to be actually solving even though there's still little to go on-
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point out where in 146 you said you didn't believe you should be townread for your actions so far-
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there might be a hole in my head where this all makes sense to someone else but not to me because there's a hole in my head-
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i see what you mean i do agree it's kind of weird fire didn't just do the idea
but i like the tone of their posts
i think they have been putting forth some effort but yeah i wouldn't mind seeing where their head is at more-
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you've convinced me maybe i need to wait for more but i'm not sure that you're not being a little hard on him
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try an antacidIn post 201, fireisredsir wrote:i feel it in my soul-
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i'd probably add menalque to my coalition at this point. i don't agree with the point about skitter/ari being dangerous to add to a coalition but i like what they've said otherwise-
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i don't agree with this post, if they're townie they'll be townie. i believe in my ability to tr people and am not worried if they're scum because i believe in my ability to scum read them.In post 224, Menalque wrote:incidentally, my strategic principle going into this is that skitter/ari probably shouldn't be in the coalition unless there's a real dearth of towniness from other slots as they're the players I think it's hardest to catch on D1 if scum
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some people might have better records but i don't really care about other people's i care more about how i'm doingIn post 303, Menalque wrote:do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?-
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yeah probably if they were both townie according to meIn post 307, Menalque wrote:
I'm just trying to get my head round your stance on not being warier of certain peopleIn post 304, Save The Dragons wrote:
some people might have better records but i don't really care about other people's i care more about how i'm doingIn post 303, Menalque wrote:do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?
I'm not in favour of complacency, but let's say you have player X who is well-known for being very good as scum and as town
and player Y who is well-known for seeming towny when town but having a terrible scumgame
let's say both players had identical (towny) ISOs
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i think the "seeming performative" part got lost in favor of the "i don't get what 146 was trying to say" partIn post 311, Datisi wrote:i didn't like save the dragons's read on mena on pages 7/8, it felt more like trying to find something Weird to attack rather than actually having a read on something that makes someone scum
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In post 315, Datisi wrote:std - backpedalling is a thing that exists but alright sure-
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fire what's your tell on datisi if he says pingIn post 318, Datisi wrote:ping-
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at first i got pings from datisi in the scum direction but now i'm getting pings in the town direction
In post 343, Datisi wrote:pedit: oh no, i'm townreading fire now???
just having an openness seems to come from a town mindset of trying to solve, he's not being stubborn in his reads. i dunno. it's very pingy. my friend's brother had a penguin stuffed animal named ping-ping once. i'm trying to get fire to tr me correctly by saying ping a lot. is it working? ping.In post 406, Datisi wrote:so i'm left with me/mena/skitt/ari and one of std or irrel? bleh maybe they're both town and i'm not giving enough credit to The Vibes but also time is short
i also liked his posts on me, ari, and irrelephant, i think they're well thought out. I'd probably be okay with datisi in my coalition.
i'm just vibing with irrelephant here, content seems very stream of conciousnessy in a way that scum would avoid for fear of revealing too much.
my boss is in the office today...are you my boss?In post 424, skitter30 wrote:Sorry i'm in the office today so i'll respond later / be around sporadically
i dunno why but i really like thisIn post 409, skitter30 wrote:Which kinda makes me think i have to include one of ari/dats
especially considering skitter doesn't quite buy into the theory that they're scum v scum (i'm guessing from this post) but is still a little suspicious? she's willing to challenge nk15's static read despite having a similar theory. i dunno i just like it. pingIn post 363, skitter30 wrote:
nk15 - so i guess on surface i kinda agree with you, but then when i think about it more, i wonder: wow, there really isn't a ton of nuance here, and he's very dogged abt this opinion, and doesn't really seem to be revisiting it much, so now i'm less ureIn post 302, Aristeia wrote:NK15 - I liked his thought about me being off balance because I am mafia with Datisi, I liked the singleminded focus on pushing that worldview - it feels like something he genuinely believes.-
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literally just copying irrelephant's tags here
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i could do skitter in place of someone tho i might prefer that but this seems fine for now-
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you said no std no mala can you clarify why if you're so sure it's ari/datisiIn post 459, Not Known 15 wrote:Aristeia is still scum with Datisi. I have nothing to add.-
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do you think i'm not townIn post 480, Menalque wrote:I would love to know why StD is town-
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if nk15 is town i'd love a re-eval of the one read made all game-
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i feel like i've been actively sorting people do you disagreeIn post 486, Menalque wrote:Or I guess more accurately— I’ve seen nothing from you that makes you town, and I have concerns, but there’s been so little from mala and NK (plus fire needs sorting) that I’m not sure you’re actually scum
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i dunno if you should be town reading me but i don't know if you should have concerns
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okay let's talk about it
what were you trying to say in post 146
this is really a playstyle gripe and is nai as far as i'm concernedIn post 492, Menalque wrote:And I thought your position of not worrying about people’s scumgames and just being able to read them regardless was plausible, but not reasonable-
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i mean i think you're wrong for putting people on a pedestal and having that affect your reads on them in this game so i'm not sure why i would find your reasons compellingIn post 496, Menalque wrote:
I mean I’m writing it off as mostly NAI but I think you’re wrong to take that position and I find it odd that you don’t find the reasons for why I think you’re wrong compellingIn post 494, Save The Dragons wrote:this is really a playstyle gripe and is nai as far as i'm concerned
It’s the not seeing why the reasons are compelling (or perhaps me not understanding why you don’t find them compelling) that makes me suspect they may be false reasons to justify putting ari/skitt into the coalition more easily, which I would want to do if scum because it would be good cover for me
like i intellectually understand why you're doing that
but i don't think it's right-
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ok how is this not performativeIn post 497, Menalque wrote:In 146 I was trying to make it clear that I was aware that 145 was not actually a compelling argument at all
But once I’d had the idea of the argument, I decided to post it anyway, because it would be funny to make a post that was trash arguing for why I’m town, only to immediately give a wink wink nudge nudge acknowledgement that it wasn’t that at all-
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like i really feel like people are ignoring that part of the argument to be like "oh STD acted funny because he said the same thing as 146"
granted i don't think you're scum but i think it could be seen as performative, hence why i saw it as performative.
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i will not vote for a coalition without me in it, i'm more comfortable picking out 4 townies than 5 towniesIn post 501, Irrelephant11 wrote:Scummiest thing std has done is put himself in his coalitions-
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i tend to scum read performative entrances
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has anything i've posted affected your read in anyway, fire-
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you guys move fast i don't think i'm trying to fade into the background or anything but i'm not always on when you guys are talking to each other-
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i mean maybe i don't like that the read on me hasn't evolved into a tr
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i dunno if i'd pick that town game because mech was a pretty big part of it and coalition you have to look at day play but i guess i can see the jokinessIn post 565, fireisredsir wrote:std:
ok i haven't really played much with std but i did meta read a bunch of games when i was trying to sort him in large 238 d1. i felt like i got a decent feel for how he approaches games differently as town vs scum, and thought that he was likely scum that game, so that's why i TA checked him n1. unfortunately he was traitor so i got a false inno
i feel somewhat hesitant to even try to justify this read bc i don't think im going to explain it very well but whatever
basically i feel like there is a certain energy that he has when town, like he is generally excited to solve the game and also just... wants to be there. he usually has reads that it feels like he really cares about, or even if he doesn't exactly, he still is trying to work with people and help move the game forward
as scum he has fine read progressions and etc and still can joke around and whatnot but he lacks that town energy. he seems content to be a background character and pop up occasionally with a Good Post, and yet not really drive things. when i read posts that he makes as scum i picture him making a face and being like "ugh do i have to do this".
here is a recent scumgame that i feel is illustrative:
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and a towngame:
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these were just the first ones i saw but i think p much any of them would fit imo
i think his iso this game looks way closer to his usual scumgame. ive thought that since like his first 3 posts so maybe im confbiased idk, and maybe he's just lacking energy due to non-alignment-related reasons, but idk its still the read i have
if anyone who has played with him more than me thinks that this take is way off then im willing to reconsider
i don't know what "town energy" i'm not displaying
i can't really refute this. i mean i dunno what to say other than it's incorrect
i also said the word testicle in my scum game but haven't said it here. not really relevant just thought i'd share-
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i could do thatIn post 617, Aristeia wrote:
what do you feel about this coalition skitter has proposed?In post 591, skitter30 wrote:i'd ideally probably want some more time to ruminate but given that we're running low on time given everything we need to do i'm leaning towards me/dats/irrel/std/mena-
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gth solve is fire/mala with fire trying to get in and mala trying (or at least willing) to stay out
im nervous because i feel like i could be wrong about that but i would probably take any coalition without them at this point (probably not nk15 tho)-
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