Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[scamper]

if its not meg i will be snapvoting dats in elo

bfore someone asks: "haven't you been saying you think it's coral?" yes. i do. but the two plausible scenarios in case we get there are either that 1. i am wrong in my read and have been all game or 2. dats and ausuka roadblocked me all game from killing the last scum at which point victory was never an option to begin with

[scamper]

i think the 180 on coral from meg is very suspicious

I don't really see coral here and I'm sorry if I'm wrong and pocketed or whatever but that's just what i think

Pedit: ok? whatever then

i mean in this scenario what else does town!meg do exactly

[MegAzumarill]

i think the 180 on coral from meg is very suspicious

I don't really see coral here and I'm sorry if I'm wrong and pocketed or whatever but that's just what i think

Pedit: ok? whatever then

I mean I was townreading everyone here at some point. The alternative to town!me doing this is what? Conclude there are no scum?

Imagine me as town
What would you expect me to do in this situation that I am not doing?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean at this point the optimal path for me as either alignment is the same.

[MegAzumarill]

The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.

[Coral]

I don't know why town!meg decides that I could make sense as scum partners with Phoenix late yesterday while rereading at prompting of Datisi, but instead of expressing those thoughts at all, continues to defend me, waiting to turn until after letting the elimination on Xayah go through.

The argument I suppose is that they were still more confident on Xayah and needed to see that flip in order to re-evaluate, but it seems pretty convenient.

I also think their trajectory today was overinformed. They were prepared to clear scamper before the massclaim had completed, and then their reasoning for clearing scamper was based on the massclaim.

[Coral]

The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.

What alternative kills could have given you a better position?

[MegAzumarill]

The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.

What alternative kills could have given you a better position?

N1 Kill Ausuka
N2, assuming I killed done n1, Literally anyone but GE helps my position.

[Coral]

Why is killing Ausuka better than killing Don, at the time the kill was made? And Gamma wouldn't get eliminated here, so how is that the worst possible kill? Everyone else besides Ausuka is under suspicion and a possible elim target.

[MegAzumarill]

Ausuka was a claimed non-vanilla, potentially clearable, and never going to be eliminated.
Done was fairly dissonant player who would not be the hard to mislim.

GE being alive would give me a clear path to push toward, even if unsuccessful I was getting townread for that persitance while GE is alive, and it gives me the time to do a turnaround more gradually on whoever I did want eliminated the next day. In a sense it gives me the time to make whatever I wanted feel more natural.

I don't see a palpable reason to kill GE as scum!me here.
If i wanted to, I would have played differently in D2.

[MegAzumarill]

I don't know why town!meg decides that I could make sense as scum partners with Phoenix late yesterday while rereading at prompting of Datisi, but instead of expressing those thoughts at all, continues to defend me, waiting to turn until after letting the elimination on Xayah go through.

The argument I suppose is that they were still more confident on Xayah and needed to see that flip in order to re-evaluate, but it seems pretty convenient.

I also think their trajectory today was overinformed. They were prepared to clear scamper before the massclaim had completed, and then their reasoning for clearing scamper was based on the massclaim.

Here's a good visualization.

Before reconsidering
Town:
Ausuka
Scamper/Coral
Datisi

Scum:
Gamma Emerald
Xayah

After reconsidering
Town:
Ausuka
Scamper
Datisi/Coral

Scum:
Gamma Emerald
Xayah

[MegAzumarill]

What would be your reaction in that situation?

[Ausuka]

i think the 180 on coral from meg is very suspicious

I don't really see coral here and I'm sorry if I'm wrong and pocketed or whatever but that's just what i think

Pedit: ok? whatever then

i mean in this scenario what else does town!meg do exactly

i think town Meg is probably more open about their changing thinking on coral on d2. i also think town Meg is more likely to stick to the datisi read. that was pretty clearly their second choice for scum d2 and they consistently claimed to heavily townread coral, but this read changed when it became clear coral was pretty much the only possible elimination.

I think meg does not want to be pushing ge on d3 because it is a push that is never going to bear fruit and they want to be able to go after people who could get miseliminated. i think the ge kill makes sense from that angle

I'm sorry if I'm roadblocking you or whatever? I'm assuming you instant voting datisi is meant as a punishment to me and him? I'm just trying to eliminate who I think is mafia

It's not even like I'm saying you are not allowed to eliminate Coral ever. I think Meg is scum here and townread everyone else, so if it's not Meg I am clearly wrong about a townread.

[Ausuka]

The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.

What alternative kills could have given you a better position?

N1 Kill Ausuka
N2, assuming I killed done n1, Literally anyone but GE helps my position.

I do not sincerely believe any scum player would kill a claimed miller on N1, particularly after a scumflip in a micro where power roles are even more threatening than usual

[MegAzumarill]

The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.

What alternative kills could have given you a better position?

N1 Kill Ausuka
N2, assuming I killed done n1, Literally anyone but GE helps my position.

I do not sincerely believe any scum player would kill a claimed miller on N1, particularly after a scumflip in a micro where power roles are even more threatening than usual

Miller >VT

I have moderated a game where the d1 miller was a town power role

Without explocit knowledge of the setup its a >average kill.


So you are saying that a fairly low charisma scum player would decide a blind shot is better than guarenteed value on a night one kill?

[MegAzumarill]

And you are saying every single scum player would take that risk?

It sounds straight up ridiculous

[Ausuka]

Yeah? Miller kill as 'guaranteed value' does not feel true

[MegAzumarill]

Especially since galrons claim d1 implies scum do not know much pregame info about the setup.

[Ausuka]

Like genuinely who nightkills a miller out of fear of its power?

I have played many games on ms. I am pretty sure I have never even seen a scumteam think about killing a miller claim for its role utility

My memory could be fooling me but I would have to see evidence to ever buy this is a real line of thinking.

[MegAzumarill]

Yeah? Miller kill as 'guaranteed value' does not feel true

It's a named townie. It also has interactions with other town powerroles, which can be inferred to mean at some point it will make mechanical sense to exist, ergo the slot will be mechanically defended.

[MegAzumarill]

Like genuinely who nightkills a miller out of fear of its power?

I have played many games on ms. I am pretty sure I have never even seen a scumteam think about killing a miller claim for its role utility

My memory could be fooling me but I would have to see evidence to ever buy this is a real line of thinking.

I would, especially when it was clear day 1 you were never being mislimmed.

[MegAzumarill]

I think Meg is scum here and townread everyone else

So tomorrow you'll have to 180 on someone.

Oh the irony

[Ausuka]

I think Meg is scum here and townread everyone else

So tomorrow you'll have to 180 on someone.

Oh the irony

I am not criticising you for 180ing if you are town here

I just think the way you did it is scummy

[Coral]

Especially since galrons claim d1 implies scum do not know much pregame info about the setup.

This is maybe a decent point, actually. If scum are informed, I'm not sure why Galron chooses to fakeclaim rolecop there.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

Whatever

I feel like people are mad at my play right now but idk what to do

I'll come back when I'm in a better place and have time to think