Micro 1062 | Divide and Conquer | Postgame
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feels like scum in the smaller hood might be slightly more likely to be self-conscious about being in the smaller hood and having attention focused there? ergo... scum in the small hood might be slightly less likely to say this as it is quite *obvious* in directing attention away from the smaller hood?
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I have been scum read for being performative a lot before and at first I wasn't okay with it but now I've accepted it and realized it's just a part of my town play, but the point is that I'm hesitant to scum read someone for being more performative than the norm unless I know it's outside of their general meta or there are other reasons augmenting that trait
i think as it stands lucian's read on the slot is essentially a personality read and I don't really get any value out of it
I think the analysis on me is Good from the perspective that it's slightly more reachy than I feel scum usually goes for one page into the game
Isis I Leaned Town for her initial reaction inside the hood to the hood, which was "I'm not special" for anyone curious. of all the posts in this thread I actually like #33 for the timing and not feeling the need to produce what most would probably consider towny content. It is not solvy in any way and I feel like scum!Isis would be a little self-conscious about that, especially after Lucian's post
SirCakez I vaguely like the fact that he chose his own thing to go after in Cephrir but I don't really have words to explain why right now-
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cephrir everything you are saying makes a kind of sense but none of it really feels like stuff that wasn't thought of before the game actually started
do you have any hot and spicy takes on other people's hot and spicy takes
pedit: lol
i mean I want to think it's towny because it makes sense but I don't think it actually is? I think if cephrir was scum putting these hoods together pre-game he would have the exact same thoughts tbh-
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I mean, the actual reason for the timing of my posts is that I am constantly rereading the thread and my thoughts take a bit to fully formIn post 55, Lucian wrote:
I don't like this. Maybe it's because it hurts my ego. But this feels like handwaving my reasoning away. I understand it's not really strong, but I'm getting bad vibes regardless.In post 44, Dannflor wrote:I think the analysis on me is Good from the perspective that it's slightly more reachy than I feel scum usually goes for one page into the game
and yes of course I am going to handwave it away I know that it is wrong
the only way I can evaluate it is whether I think it's coming from town or not, I don't think I can evaluate the strength of the reasoning itself very well
I do think it makes some assumptions that town is more likely to make though, at least at this point in the game-
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didn't cephrir literally just say he would split the hoods like thisIn post 57, Lucian wrote:
Well, sure. But if Cephrir is scum, I struggle seeing him decide to split hoods like this, and then right out of gate use this knowledge to townread Radja. It feels really easy to get called out as TMI for it, and it's not like Cephrir/Radja is a possible team for this to be scum setting up false associates.In post 54, Dannflor wrote:i mean I want to think it's towny because it makes sense but I don't think it actually is? I think if cephrir was scum putting these hoods together pre-game he would have the exact same thoughts tbh
I mean he said he might avoid Pooky ig, but I could see loving these exact hoods as either alignment tbh-
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In post 46, Cephrir wrote:if i were scum i would 100% have put myself in the big hood with both dannflor and radja, so i can't fault anyone for seeing that
i might have dodged pooky but i'm not sure-
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I seeIn post 61, Lucian wrote:My argument is that, if Cephrir is scum who split the hood like this, I struggle seeing him enter the game with a townread due to hood splits, and then have such complex reasoning on it.
but still I have to ask, why do you struggle to see that?-
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Like I just think Cephrir is a very competent playerIn post 57, Lucian wrote:It feels really easy to get called out as TMI for it
and I don't think he would be afraid of this point
I also think that the read on Radja isn't like ironclad
Cephrir could easily walk that back when he needs to, it's just an easy talking point for entering the game with-
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I don't think he really has come up with alternative talking points yet. Which is fine, I'm not scum reading him for that.In post 66, Lucian wrote:
Well, then he surely wouldn't have trouble coming up with alternative talking points. If he's scum, it feels like a move made from someone who wants to get into the game, but doesn't know how, so they fake reads based on things they've already thought about.In post 63, Dannflor wrote:and I don't think he would be afraid of this point
Granted, maybe he's actually a genius because I'm falling for it.
but I do think what he has posted so far is largely NAI-
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the isis scum read feels kinda easy
like yes i think that post is surface level scummy in that is it mech talk and not really unique mech talk
but the first line makes it feel more like isis is town who really wants to interact with the thread but doesn't have much to share yet. idk like maybe scum!isis would feel compelled to post and make a bad post but i feel like she'd rather wait until she had something good to post or just pick at something that looks more contenty
maybe I'm giving her too much credit here but especially since she follows it up with #39 and #42 not long after it does feel genuine in the sense that she just has no thoughts *yet* but wants to interact anyway-
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I feel dumb and don't really understand what this means, can you explain moreIn post 98, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I BELIEVE LUCIAN AND I WERE SIDELINED IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE STATUS QUO BIAS IN THE BIG HOOD
I BELIEVE ISIS HAS THE MOST TO BENEFIT FROM THE STATUS QUO BIAS-
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Somnus is scummy but there is also something else going on there maybe. Like, 148 is weird because it's such complete and utter anti-spew. Which, yes, you might attribute to weak scum in the small hood who doesn't want to incriminate their partner. But that post is also anti-spewy towards their own neighborhood? And they don't need to be?? It'd be pretty easy to at least just focus on Lucian and Scared Bear and then you can at least generate content instead of whatever that post is
it makes me think there exists a world where Somnus is just neurotic town, probably not a very big world buuuuut
idk I'd like to see them come back to thread and try to make a post that isn't information over analysis
I guess I'm also paranoid because I don't really feel I have a reason to town read SCRRRDBEAR yet. There's not anything scummy I just haven't seen anything that I feel is unlikely to come from scum like I've felt from Lucian
I suppose I don't really like the initial push on Isis and then retraction, it feels slightly too like, "oh look I am having a read trajectory." if that makes sense? that might be uncharitable and I don't really have a strong reason to back that up other than gut, but the strength of their original push seems at odds with how they now disagree with it. i don't have a sense of what makes the initial push less valid now bc I feel like only part of the case had to do with the quality of Isis' posts? bear pls explain?
I guess I would put my read of that neighborhood as like Somnus >> SCRRRDBEAR >>> Lucian as far as likelihood of scum goes
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My town read of Pooky mainly comes from the fact that he isn't playing hard at all. I feel like mafia in the large hood is going to feel some pressure to establish a presence early and play relatively seriously. especially if that individual is familiar with the playerlist? idk i just think if mafia is within [isis, cephrir, pooky, sircakez], then they are going to feel the need to like carry the game as the non-expendable scum and also to establish themselves early amongst a playerlist that knows each other decently well
I don't really think Pooky shit posting and not doing much of anything really lends him to influencing the game much at all, which feels really bad for him long term?
[cephrir, sir cakez] are the two who I feel have been forcing their "solviness" and presence a little more. sir cakez' early posts feels like sorting to sort. calling me and Lucian TvT feels easy for someone who knows our alignments but I don't how actually clear that is? I don't get a sense the town read on me is that sophisticated
I see where Isis is coming from in town reading 171 though. I think it's pretty genuine just I also don't think it's an impossible scum post to make.
cephrir isn't forcing the solviness obviously but I feeeeeel like he's forcing his presence a little. like he feels the need to post. undetermined if scummy or neuroticism but it fits the portrait of what I would expect scum in that group to be doing
Radja's posts haven't really left an impression on me. Going back through I kinda wanna town read #145 for being so hedgy. I liked Cephrir's initial logic for Radja town but I realized that it completely misses that Lucian or SCRRRDBEAR could be an experienced player who aligned these neighborhoods this way? I don't actually know if Lucian is an alt but the bear clearly is and I could see that being a BEAR/Radja angle. If Somnus ends up being scum though then I think it still holds some water.
Isis is an excellent player so my read confidence on her is only Medium, but I think her posts have largely been Good while simultaneously feeling fairly Relaxed. I also maintain #33 isn't really something I think scum!Isis would want to post here-
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projection?In post 208, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
I THINK WHOEVRR WROTE 190 IS COMPENSATING FOR NOT RECEIVING A TOWN PMIn post 206, Dannflor wrote:I sort of feel like you might be compensating for something here-
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I feel like you're winding up to vote meIn post 217, Cephrir wrote:I think a vote on someone not especially incriminated by 190 and also not scared bear is just weird in that spot I don't like it at all-
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I think it feels easier for me to visualize possible teams this wayIn post 228, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:ALSO, WHY GROUP BOTH HOODS TOGETHER INSTEAD OF MAKING TWO SEPARATE POES?-
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why would this not just be the gimmick for the altIn post 248, SirCakez wrote:could the SCRRDBEAR all caps posting style be a smokescreen for scum?
why is this such an empty question-
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idk man the questions and observations you are making feel very surface levelIn post 251, SirCakez wrote:
why am I at the bottom here?In post 226, Dannflor wrote:does it help you guys if I do it in not stream of consciousness format because it looks pretty clear in my head
[lucian, isis]
[pooky, Radja]
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[scrrrrdbear]
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[cephrir, sircakez]
you lampshading that fact in 175 helps only marginally-
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Yeah, although I'd try to replicate it as scum too if I thought it would be advantageousIn post 265, Lucian wrote:Dannflor, would you say that 190 is a typical town-you post?
I am often very waffley in my reads, I do think I actually had some stances of value in that post though
I was thinking about the game in the car on my drive home and then made that post when I got home and it was kind of a way for me to get my thoughts oriented about the game, so I think maybe the points I eventually got to were kinda obfuscated by all the fluff. Sometimes I'm better about cutting that fluff before I post but I was too lazy this time-
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idk sir cakez posts feel like almost TOO surface levely to be scum
Radja I probably have the least good reasons to town read and my strongest town reads are voting there-
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betterIn post 271, Lucian wrote:What are your thoughts on more recent Cephrir posts then?
less forced-
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I am hereIn post 304, Cephrir wrote:I want the slot to post more before we seriously contemplate killing it anyways tho-
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